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Reply #30 posted 07/15/18 11:12am

Glindathegood

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Is this documentary claiming she was a lesbian?

I don't think anyone has ever claimed Whitney was a lesbian. The documentary and people in general have said she had a one off same gender relationship with Robyn Crawford, that would make her at the most slightly bisexual.

You can be heterosexual and still have a same sex relationship.

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Reply #31 posted 07/16/18 8:20am

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Whatever the relationship was, it was clearly important enough to cause Bobby to be jealous and fight.

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Reply #32 posted 07/16/18 5:47pm

Asenath

I was never a Pat Houston "hater", but her comments have given me pause. Bobbi "hated her mother" and Bobbi said something akin to killing her mom if there was a way she could get away with it? Come on, really? Coupled with the fact that Pat is executive producer; I'm starting to get the hate. no doubt Bobbi and her mom had a complicated relationship, and maybe the editors cut out the positives that Pat said, but jeez, I just felt some kind of way about her after her comments. Good or bad, I appreciated what appeared to be honesty from her two brothers. IMO they shared the good, the bad and the ugly and came off as creditable. LA Reid needed to stop the madness... he didn't know about her addiction. PLEASE. Even though I knew the ending, still left the theater with a sense of sadness. Michael, Whitney, Prince... really believe that fame is in many ways, a real MFer.

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Reply #33 posted 07/16/18 5:49pm

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kitbradley said:

This has been getting rave reviews from movie critics and I keep hearing it's out in theatres. I'm in Michigan and I can't find it!!! mad Very interested in seeing it. Has anyone else seen the documentary? What are your thoughts?


Sorry, I went on and on and didn't respond to your question. I thought it was very good. If you are/were a die hard fan, probably nothing you probably don't already know, but it was worth the money IMO.

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Reply #34 posted 07/16/18 5:52pm

Asenath

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I saw it yesterday. It's great. I re-watched Whitney _Can I Be Me? On Showtime friday night too .

Together they are a good combo. The SHowtime one focuses a lot more on Robyn and more from Cissy. And mostly has footage from her 90s tour.

.

This one talks more about her earlier years and the end. IT has some really amazing rare footage (like when Whitney took over for her mother at a NYC concrt and sang some Dreamgirls stuff). I hope this footage sees the light of day as a DVD soon.

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It reveals something new-ish about sexual abuse which I won't spoil and not sure how I feel about yet..

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I had tears in my eyes at the end.

I almost cried 3 times; which is crazy because I knew the ending AND, I had seen all the footage which had me on the verge of tears.

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Reply #35 posted 07/16/18 5:56pm

Asenath

rogifan said:

1contessa said:

What's there to see and know about Whitney that we don't know already? She was a great talent but lived a miserable existence. She wasn't who she really wanted to be, and because of that she was very unhappy in life, and we all saw how it ended for both her and her daughter....so sad to keep dwelling on her life since it's over and she's no more. Why dwell on her past life that was just so sad? They should just let her rest in peace.

Is this documentary claiming she was a lesbian?

If I recall correctly, I don't think her family addressed it. Her one brother said he knew that Robyn was a lesbian and wanted Whitney to stay away from her. Someone who worked with her (sorry can't remember who it was) said they believed she would be called in today's terms "fluid".

For those who may not be familiar with the term: Sexual preferences are not set in stone and can change over time, often depending on the immediate situation the individual is in. This has been described as sexual fluidity. (http://theconversation.com/explainer-what-is-sexual-fluidity-33120)

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Reply #36 posted 07/16/18 6:00pm

Asenath

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kitbradley said:

Of course she was. Rumors don't linger that long unless there is truth to it. There was nothing wrong with her being gay.

I do think it’s wrong though to make these claims when she’s no longer here. If she was and wanted it to be public she would have done so while she was alive. These documentaries should focus on the music not gossip about her private life.

I think this one was trying to figure out what drove someone so talented, beautiful, spiritual, determined, etc, to kind of self destruct. What was it in her life that made it so da*& difficult to overcome her obstacles and "demons" (for lack of a better word); what caused the self destrction in the first place. Or maybe they were just trying to make a buck. IDK

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Reply #37 posted 07/16/18 9:22pm

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Seen Cissy on TV last night, she denies knowing anything about the sexual abuse by Dee Dee Warwick and still doesn't think it happened. Even though Whitney's brother said it happened to him with Dee Dee too.

Sorry but Gary (Garland) Houston (Whitney's half-brother), is a known liar, and deadbeat dad. He and Pat having been doing nothing but trying to cash in on Whitney since her death. He's just not a believable character.

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Reply #38 posted 07/17/18 6:53am

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Asenath said:

rogifan said:

1contessa said: Is this documentary claiming she was a lesbian?

If I recall correctly, I don't think her family addressed it. Her one brother said he knew that Robyn was a lesbian and wanted Whitney to stay away from her. Someone who worked with her (sorry can't remember who it was) said they believed she would be called in today's terms "fluid".

For those who may not be familiar with the term: Sexual preferences are not set in stone and can change over time, often depending on the immediate situation the individual is in. This has been described as sexual fluidity. (http://theconversation.com/explainer-what-is-sexual-fluidity-33120)

"Sexual Fluidity", like "bisexual" are terms often used to describe females who have relations with both genders. Men, however, are unfarily labeled as "gay" if they have been with one man and 500 women. lol There has always been a double-standard when it comes to these sort of things, especially in the African-American community.

I was watching a video on youtube the other day where one of R. Kelly's ex girlfriends was accusing him of being gay because he had some sexual encounters with other men. She's labeling him "gay" despite the fact he seems to be mostly into females.

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Reply #39 posted 07/17/18 11:09am

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kitbradley said:

Asenath said:

If I recall correctly, I don't think her family addressed it. Her one brother said he knew that Robyn was a lesbian and wanted Whitney to stay away from her. Someone who worked with her (sorry can't remember who it was) said they believed she would be called in today's terms "fluid".

For those who may not be familiar with the term: Sexual preferences are not set in stone and can change over time, often depending on the immediate situation the individual is in. This has been described as sexual fluidity. (http://theconversation.com/explainer-what-is-sexual-fluidity-33120)

"Sexual Fluidity", like "bisexual" are terms often used to describe females who have relations with both genders. Men, however, are unfarily labeled as "gay" if they have been with one man and 500 women. lol There has always been a double-standard when it comes to these sort of things, especially in the African-American community.

I was watching a video on youtube the other day where one of R. Kelly's ex girlfriends was accusing him of being gay because he had some sexual encounters with other men. She's labeling him "gay" despite the fact he seems to be mostly into females.

Good point

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Reply #40 posted 07/17/18 2:03pm

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Asenath said:

rogifan said:

kitbradley said: I do think it’s wrong though to make these claims when she’s no longer here. If she was and wanted it to be public she would have done so while she was alive. These documentaries should focus on the music not gossip about her private life.

I think this one was trying to figure out what drove someone so talented, beautiful, spiritual, determined, etc, to kind of self destruct. What was it in her life that made it so da*& difficult to overcome her obstacles and "demons" (for lack of a better word); what caused the self destrction in the first place. Or maybe they were just trying to make a buck. IDK

I have to go with "just trying to make a buck" because what's the point in trying to figure out what drove her to self destruct? It's not like that's going to bring her back so that she can start her life all over again with a new beginning.....she's gone and the life she had while here is over and done, for good! She didn't get the help she so desperately needed while she was alive, and neither did her daughter, so why rehash it all when absolutely nothing can be done about it? I just don't get that! Let the woman rest in peace!

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Reply #41 posted 07/19/18 3:54pm

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1contessa said:



Asenath said:




rogifan said:


kitbradley said: I do think it’s wrong though to make these claims when she’s no longer here. If she was and wanted it to be public she would have done so while she was alive. These documentaries should focus on the music not gossip about her private life.


I think this one was trying to figure out what drove someone so talented, beautiful, spiritual, determined, etc, to kind of self destruct. What was it in her life that made it so da*& difficult to overcome her obstacles and "demons" (for lack of a better word); what caused the self destrction in the first place. Or maybe they were just trying to make a buck. IDK




I have to go with "just trying to make a buck" because what's the point in trying to figure out what drove her to self destruct? It's not like that's going to bring her back so that she can start her life all over again with a new beginning.....she's gone and the life she had while here is over and done, for good! She didn't get the help she so desperately needed while she was alive, and neither did her daughter, so why rehash it all when absolutely nothing can be done about it? I just don't get that! Let the woman rest in peace!



It is kinda a waste to spend that much time on a story you know instead of
Telling a story to help. Quick buck sounds about right.
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Reply #42 posted 07/20/18 11:15am

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Asenath said:

rogifan said:

kitbradley said: I do think it’s wrong though to make these claims when she’s no longer here. If she was and wanted it to be public she would have done so while she was alive. These documentaries should focus on the music not gossip about her private life.

I think this one was trying to figure out what drove someone so talented, beautiful, spiritual, determined, etc, to kind of self destruct. What was it in her life that made it so da*& difficult to overcome her obstacles and "demons" (for lack of a better word); what caused the self destrction in the first place. Or maybe they were just trying to make a buck. IDK


It sounds like the same premise as the Nina Simone documentary "What Happened, Miss Simone?" which was later nominated for an Oscar. I thought that one was very good, but I also knew hardly anything at all about Nina Simone before watching it.

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Reply #43 posted 07/24/18 11:10am

Glindathegood

kitbradley said:

"Sexual Fluidity", like "bisexual" are terms often used to describe females who have relations with both genders. Men, however, are unfarily labeled as "gay" if they have been with one man and 500 women. lol There has always been a double-standard when it comes to these sort of things, especially in the African-American community.

I was watching a video on youtube the other day where one of R. Kelly's ex girlfriends was accusing him of being gay because he had some sexual encounters with other men. She's labeling him "gay" despite the fact he seems to be mostly into females.

Totally agree. I don't think it's at all unique to the African American community, the same thing happens with white guys.

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Reply #44 posted 07/24/18 11:36pm

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kitbradley said:

This has been getting rave reviews from movie critics and I keep hearing it's out in theatres. I'm in Michigan and I can't find it!!! mad Very interested in seeing it. Has anyone else seen the documentary? What are your thoughts?


i saw it last night and loved it, lots of rare footage, lots of stories, not a whole lot here that wasn't covered in "can i be me?" but it was still great. whitney was such a loveable person, funny, vulnerable, quirky, a lot of that is at odds with what they tried to make her. the new parts were the family's greed issues which is very sad, and of course the new info that she was molested. bobby brown kinda comes across as a bit more sympathetic than he is in the public eye but not much. he has seemed ot calmed and matured but he really wasn't much good for whitney, at the same time, it sounds like he had little to do with her drug issues. i've seen this story play out with so many people and i strugle to understand what makes these folks go off the rails, i really can't comprehend it. a close answer has to be that "she didn't know who she was" and it seems whitney was aware of that because she says "whitney calling nippy" in one scene.

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Reply #45 posted 07/24/18 11:37pm

PeteSilas

Graciegirl719 said:

kitbradley said:

This has been getting rave reviews from movie critics and I keep hearing it's out in theatres. I'm in Michigan and I can't find it!!! mad Very interested in seeing it. Has anyone else seen the documentary? What are your thoughts?


Unfortunetly it's limited release. Most documentaries are! sad

I would like to see it though, I also live in the midwest.

i saw it in a downtown seattle theater at 10pm which only had two other people in the theater.

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Reply #46 posted 07/25/18 11:34am

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It is finally playing here!

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Reply #47 posted 07/25/18 3:34pm

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Cinny said:

It is finally playing here!

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Reply #48 posted 07/31/18 8:44pm

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Why I Won’t See “Whitney” Never question a mother’s love https://medium.com/@nileg...b73ef6261e

I won’t be making any plans to see Kevin Macdonald’s latest and much-heralded documentary — Whitneythat was produced with the “open door policy” of the late singer’s somewhat manipulative sister-in-law — Pat Houston.

I grew up idolizing Whitney Houston, and that adulation has extended past the end of her short and painfully tormented life. Her playful and arresting melodies rescued me from the plight of being an American teen — stuck in the tumultous grip of the Nigerian government — that was rife with corruption and crimes against humanity.

I still remember how my heart skipped a beat when I was given the album that featured a breathtaking beauty with a smile that sadly concealed the blossoming demons — that hadn’t yet dominated the precious spirit of a songbird who was captured, punctured and then released to her fate.

There’s no need to go into the gross details of Houston’s downfall or even to examine how those around her including the man who used her to build an empire — ended up her discarding her carcass to the wolves.

But we can use this opportunity to throw some much-needed shade at the mysterious woman, who hides behind the stoic veil of familial obligation, when her questionable pursuits as the executor of Whitney Houston’s estate — revives the theory of how the singer and her beloved daughter Bobbi Kristina were surrounded by carnivores — who fed off of their insecurities and fragile dispositions.

Pat Houston, posing with an unrecognizable Whitney Houston, right before the singer’s tragic death.

My first impression of Pat Houston happened months after the untimely and tragic death of the woman she professes to be fiercely protective of — beyond reason.

But when you consider that her way of demonstrating her loyalty was via an ill-fated reality TV show that was supposed to ride on the celebrity of a woman who was found drowned in the bathtub of a famed Hollywood hotel — it’s quite difficult to accept Pat Houston’s genuine affection or purely defined motives.

The Houstons: On Our Own, premiered on October 12, 2012, and it featured the surviving clan of a dead superstar — struggling to move on in the aftermath of a family tragedy.

The short-lived series was a disaster from the start, as viewers were treated to the disturbing antics of still-grieving daughter Bobbi Kristina — who was clearly not in any shape to be in the spotlight — after witnessing the lifeless body of her mother — a resultant of the drug-infused years that led to her eventual demise.

The three-year anniversary of Bobbi Kristina Brown’s death after six weeks of being suspended in a comatose state is upon us — and as her mother’s soul refuses to rest from the betrayals of supposed family members who — are still righteously profiting and thriving from the blood, sweat and tears that were selflessly expended — there’s an intense sadness that envelopes — when you observe how the intertwined legacies of mother and daughter continue to be assaulted beyond recognition or rescue.

This passive attack by Pat Houston is a glitzy affair with the bedazzled package of the French Riviera, paired with the ammunition of an ambitious filmmaker, with a penchant of tackling fascinating and controversial subjects like Reggae icon Bob Marley, and a brutal African dictator in the critically-acclaimed dramatic offering, King of Scotland.

There’s no question that Whitney Houston was spinning around in a cycle that nobody seemed able or willing to break, except her beloved mother, who is still majestically and valiantly trying to scrub the blemishes off her daughter’s name. And with this latest devastation, courtesy of the relative who has finally crossed the line beyond recovery — there’s no doubt that Cissy Houston will spend the rest of her remaining years trying in vain to save her daughter’s life.

I’m not seeing the film that capitalizes on the privacy of an innocent woman in a remarkably cruel and invasive way — because a mother’s love can’t be fucked with or even questioned.

Pat Houston knows her shit and how shit stinks, which explains her defensive approach that precedes her, even before the obvious questions are thrown her way.

“I’m always the apologist that has to apologize . . . for everything”

She tries and fails to validate the decision to expose the sexual allegations against Dee Dee Warwick, the cousin of Whitney and older half-brother Gary, who is died in 2008. Dee Dee is also the sister of singer of Dionne Warwick, which makes her the niece of Cissy Houston.

Gary confesses in the film, that he and sister Whitney were both sexually molested by their much older cousin, and the repercussions of those actions added to their decades-long addiction. There was also the slight coaxing by Macdonald who attributed Whitney’s “asexual” nature — that surfaced from “not being comfortable in her own skin” — as the main evidence of childhood abuse, and of course he readily received the confirmation he needed to enhance the authenticity of his blockbuster.

As the executive producer, Pat Houston is embodying the role that she’s mastered to perfection, as she relies on the never-ending mission to be the dutiful and long-suffering family member — who is committed to doing the right thing — even when it demands a level of sacrifice that she’s more than suited for — via TV deals and granting access to devastating family secrets.

She shares the complications that erupted when she needed to make the difficult decision to once again dishonor Whitney’s mother by giving an undeserving world the charred remains of a still rejected victim.

“I wasn’t quite comfortable [with it] where Cissy or Dionne were concerned because they’re very honorable and lovely people. . . . Then, on the flip side, I had to think about Whitney and Gary. Having been with Gary for 26 years and married to him for 24, I’ve seen a great deal. And I’ve seen a lot of emotions and things that he has had to go through because of his addiction, and also Whitney. So you’re caught between a rock and a hard place. But you know you have to stand by your man, stand by your husband, that’s what I did. I thought about him and I thought about Whitney.”

But it didn't stop there. Pat Houston went on to denounce Whitney’s prowess as a mother to her daughter by pointing all the ways that she failed Bobbi Kristina, which is quite ironic when you consider how Pat recklessly squeezed the air out of the lungs of Whitney’s only child by centering her in a narrative that tragically did way more harm than good.

“You have to watch what you do in front of your children. You have to not just talk to them. You have to teach them. It’s not enough to have children. You have to be there for them and be present in their lives.”

And then she proceeds with the classic move of self-righteously validating how her influence in the lives of the women she essentially helped to destroy — has been the catalyst for much-needed healing with the cathartic release of opening new wounds that will never heal in the eyes of nonchalant viewers.

“I just know that I was brought into her life to help her ease the pain that life had brought to her. To help her find the peace that her spirit needed. And I think I did that.”

I could be very wrong in my assessment, but I’m inclined to believe that Pat Houston is a conniving and spineless witch, who has successfully thrived off of the misfortunes of a soft-hearted angel, who perished under the strain of being too vulnerable to the dampness of gross misconduct — that dissolved her into fragments of heartbreak that were too many to put back together.

She was ridiculed by her counterparts and shunned by the ones who swore to love her forever. Her debilitating drug addiction was manufactured into money-making ventures for the devilish clutches of reality TV — and the scammers posing as titans of journalism who baited her with TV interviews for ratings.

Whitney isn’t the love letter that fans like me were anticipating — and after reading the gut-wrenching statement from Cissy Houston, that deeply and emotionally expresses the depths of her pain and frustration at the deception on display by Pat Houston — her tormentor — it’s impossible to embrace this new documentary with open arms.

There’s also the matter of the sexual abuse allegations, and how the revelation of what may or may not have happened has been fed to the masses without any consideration for the mental fragility of a heartbroken mother — who lost a child under unfathomably dire circumstances. Not to mention the successful attempt to once again wreck havoc on the crippled storyboard of Whitney Houston — even when she’s dead and gone.

“IF she was molested I do not believe she would have wanted it to be revealed for the first time to thousands, maybe millions of people in a film.”“If she was my daughter’s ‘close confidante’ it would seem she chose to betray Whitney’s confidence by publicizing rumors and hearsay.”

Cissy Houston also adds:

“I am heartbroken that despite all she accomplished fans and haters alike are left with the notion that she lived her life as a victim.”

When all is said and done, there should be lines that can’t be

crossed when it comes to depleting the value of prized possessions for the privilege of movie tickets, and a pompous reception that will eventually simmer back to the saddest end to the fairytale that never was.

Also, anyone who refutes the irreplaceable wealth of a mother’s love in the face of jarring ratchetness — that’s finessed into the falsehood of a fitting tribute to an icon who desperately needs to be allowed to rest in peace — should probably indulge in some soul-searching.

As for me, my mind is made up. I will not be seeing the Whitney documentary.

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Reply #49 posted 08/01/18 11:55am

PeteSilas

yes, but did YOU like it? the actual docu was pretty good, maybe not quite as good as the last one but good. exploitive? sure, that's what people do when there's money to be made as sad as that fact is.

Goddess4Real said:

Why I Won’t See “Whitney” Never question a mother’s love https://medium.com/@nileg...b73ef6261e

I won’t be making any plans to see Kevin Macdonald’s latest and much-heralded documentary — Whitneythat was produced with the “open door policy” of the late singer’s somewhat manipulative sister-in-law — Pat Houston.

I grew up idolizing Whitney Houston, and that adulation has extended past the end of her short and painfully tormented life. Her playful and arresting melodies rescued me from the plight of being an American teen — stuck in the tumultous grip of the Nigerian government — that was rife with corruption and crimes against humanity.

I still remember how my heart skipped a beat when I was given the album that featured a breathtaking beauty with a smile that sadly concealed the blossoming demons — that hadn’t yet dominated the precious spirit of a songbird who was captured, punctured and then released to her fate.

There’s no need to go into the gross details of Houston’s downfall or even to examine how those around her including the man who used her to build an empire — ended up her discarding her carcass to the wolves.

But we can use this opportunity to throw some much-needed shade at the mysterious woman, who hides behind the stoic veil of familial obligation, when her questionable pursuits as the executor of Whitney Houston’s estate — revives the theory of how the singer and her beloved daughter Bobbi Kristina were surrounded by carnivores — who fed off of their insecurities and fragile dispositions.

Pat Houston, posing with an unrecognizable Whitney Houston, right before the singer’s tragic death.

My first impression of Pat Houston happened months after the untimely and tragic death of the woman she professes to be fiercely protective of — beyond reason.

But when you consider that her way of demonstrating her loyalty was via an ill-fated reality TV show that was supposed to ride on the celebrity of a woman who was found drowned in the bathtub of a famed Hollywood hotel — it’s quite difficult to accept Pat Houston’s genuine affection or purely defined motives.

The Houstons: On Our Own, premiered on October 12, 2012, and it featured the surviving clan of a dead superstar — struggling to move on in the aftermath of a family tragedy.

The short-lived series was a disaster from the start, as viewers were treated to the disturbing antics of still-grieving daughter Bobbi Kristina — who was clearly not in any shape to be in the spotlight — after witnessing the lifeless body of her mother — a resultant of the drug-infused years that led to her eventual demise.

The three-year anniversary of Bobbi Kristina Brown’s death after six weeks of being suspended in a comatose state is upon us — and as her mother’s soul refuses to rest from the betrayals of supposed family members who — are still righteously profiting and thriving from the blood, sweat and tears that were selflessly expended — there’s an intense sadness that envelopes — when you observe how the intertwined legacies of mother and daughter continue to be assaulted beyond recognition or rescue.

This passive attack by Pat Houston is a glitzy affair with the bedazzled package of the French Riviera, paired with the ammunition of an ambitious filmmaker, with a penchant of tackling fascinating and controversial subjects like Reggae icon Bob Marley, and a brutal African dictator in the critically-acclaimed dramatic offering, King of Scotland.

There’s no question that Whitney Houston was spinning around in a cycle that nobody seemed able or willing to break, except her beloved mother, who is still majestically and valiantly trying to scrub the blemishes off her daughter’s name. And with this latest devastation, courtesy of the relative who has finally crossed the line beyond recovery — there’s no doubt that Cissy Houston will spend the rest of her remaining years trying in vain to save her daughter’s life.

I’m not seeing the film that capitalizes on the privacy of an innocent woman in a remarkably cruel and invasive way — because a mother’s love can’t be fucked with or even questioned.

Pat Houston knows her shit and how shit stinks, which explains her defensive approach that precedes her, even before the obvious questions are thrown her way.

“I’m always the apologist that has to apologize . . . for everything”

She tries and fails to validate the decision to expose the sexual allegations against Dee Dee Warwick, the cousin of Whitney and older half-brother Gary, who is died in 2008. Dee Dee is also the sister of singer of Dionne Warwick, which makes her the niece of Cissy Houston.

Gary confesses in the film, that he and sister Whitney were both sexually molested by their much older cousin, and the repercussions of those actions added to their decades-long addiction. There was also the slight coaxing by Macdonald who attributed Whitney’s “asexual” nature — that surfaced from “not being comfortable in her own skin” — as the main evidence of childhood abuse, and of course he readily received the confirmation he needed to enhance the authenticity of his blockbuster.

As the executive producer, Pat Houston is embodying the role that she’s mastered to perfection, as she relies on the never-ending mission to be the dutiful and long-suffering family member — who is committed to doing the right thing — even when it demands a level of sacrifice that she’s more than suited for — via TV deals and granting access to devastating family secrets.

She shares the complications that erupted when she needed to make the difficult decision to once again dishonor Whitney’s mother by giving an undeserving world the charred remains of a still rejected victim.

Cissy Houston also adds:

“I am heartbroken that despite all she accomplished fans and haters alike are left with the notion that she lived her life as a victim.”

When all is said and done, there should be lines that can’t be

crossed when it comes to depleting the value of prized possessions for the privilege of movie tickets, and a pompous reception that will eventually simmer back to the saddest end to the fairytale that never was.

Also, anyone who refutes the irreplaceable wealth of a mother’s love in the face of jarring ratchetness — that’s finessed into the falsehood of a fitting tribute to an icon who desperately needs to be allowed to rest in peace — should probably indulge in some soul-searching.

As for me, my mind is made up. I will not be seeing the Whitney documentary.

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Reply #50 posted 08/02/18 8:33am

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rogifan said:

kitbradley said:



rogifan said:


1contessa said:

What's there to see and know about Whitney that we don't know already? She was a great talent but lived a miserable existence. She wasn't who she really wanted to be, and because of that she was very unhappy in life, and we all saw how it ended for both her and her daughter....so sad to keep dwelling on her life since it's over and she's no more. Why dwell on her past life that was just so sad? They should just let her rest in peace.



Is this documentary claiming she was a lesbian?

Of course she was. Rumors don't linger that long unless there is truth to it. There was nothing wrong with her being gay.


I do think it’s wrong though to make these claims when she’s no longer here. If she was and wanted it to be public she would have done so while she was alive. These documentaries should focus on the music not gossip about her private life.


Interesting commentary on speculating about the identity a now deceased celebrity hid from public view. Are you then taking the same stance for all public figures and the lives they may or may not have led unbeknownst to us? Liberace, Luther Vandross, Rock Hudson, to name but a few, all took great measures in hiding they're now openly talked about sexualities from the public while still alive. Is there an invisible line drawn somewhere that we should all intuitively recognize and respect if we are ever to fancy ourselves as 'decent human beings'?
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Reply #51 posted 08/02/18 8:34am

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Pass the p**sy, please
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kitbradley said:



rogifan said:


1contessa said:

What's there to see and know about Whitney that we don't know already? She was a great talent but lived a miserable existence. She wasn't who she really wanted to be, and because of that she was very unhappy in life, and we all saw how it ended for both her and her daughter....so sad to keep dwelling on her life since it's over and she's no more. Why dwell on her past life that was just so sad? They should just let her rest in peace.



Is this documentary claiming she was a lesbian?

Of course she was. Rumors don't linger that long unless there is truth to it. There was nothing wrong with her being gay.


The rumors about Prince were quite persistent throughout his career as well. Does the duration of speculation really make a difference aa it transcends the realm of rumor into the world of Wikipedia fact?
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So it turns out it wasn't playing locally. I still haven't seen it.


Can someone please explain how Whitney, through her mom or marriage or whatever is related to Dionne and Dee Dee Warwick? I never quite understood that.

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paisleypark4 said:

It wasn't just Whitney though apparently, her brother also said it was true so it not so far from a lost cause. I would be upset if I were her as well especially if she did not know. Robyn refuses to talk to anyone anymore either so the question will always be out there.

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My concern is this is the same brother who is married to the ethically questionable Pat Houston. Pat Houston is the same opportunist who managed Whitney's later career and thought it perfectly reasonable to have the family (mostly hers) and an emotionally unstable Bobbi Kristina filming an exploitive reality show only a few months after Whitney's death. The conspiracy theory enthusiast in me must also point out that Pat's brother was on staff and at the hotel the night Whitney died and may have been first to discover her body
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Asenath said:

I was never a Pat Houston "hater", but her comments have given me pause. Bobbi "hated her mother" and Bobbi said something akin to killing her mom if there was a way she could get away with it? Come on, really? Coupled with the fact that Pat is executive producer; I'm starting to get the hate. no doubt Bobbi and her mom had a complicated relationship, and maybe the editors cut out the positives that Pat said, but jeez, I just felt some kind of way about her after her comments. Good or bad, I appreciated what appeared to be honesty from her two brothers. IMO they shared the good, the bad and the ugly and came off as creditable. LA Reid needed to stop the madness... he didn't know about her addiction. PLEASE. Even though I knew the ending, still left the theater with a sense of sadness. Michael, Whitney, Prince... really believe that fame is in many ways, a real MFer.



Oddly and quite sadly...I always wondered if Bobbi could have had any part in Whitney's untimely death.
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kitbradley said:



Asenath said:




rogifan said:


1contessa said: Is this documentary claiming she was a lesbian?


If I recall correctly, I don't think her family addressed it. Her one brother said he knew that Robyn was a lesbian and wanted Whitney to stay away from her. Someone who worked with her (sorry can't remember who it was) said they believed she would be called in today's terms "fluid".



For those who may not be familiar with the term: Sexual preferences are not set in stone and can change over time, often depending on the immediate situation the individual is in. This has been described as sexual fluidity. (http://theconversation.com/explainer-what-is-sexual-fluidity-33120)



"Sexual Fluidity", like "bisexual" are terms often used to describe females who have relations with both genders. Men, however, are unfarily labeled as "gay" if they have been with one man and 500 women. lol There has always been a double-standard when it comes to these sort of things, especially in the African-American community.

I was watching a video on youtube the other day where one of R. Kelly's ex girlfriends was accusing him of being gay because he had some sexual encounters with other men. She's labeling him "gay" despite the fact he seems to be mostly into females.


Actually...."the African American community" has more so historically dictatated that the man who takes on the more passive sexual role is gay whereas the man who discretely and only occasionally takes on the dominant sexual role gets a pass
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1contessa said:



Asenath said:




rogifan said:


kitbradley said: I do think it’s wrong though to make these claims when she’s no longer here. If she was and wanted it to be public she would have done so while she was alive. These documentaries should focus on the music not gossip about her private life.


I think this one was trying to figure out what drove someone so talented, beautiful, spiritual, determined, etc, to kind of self destruct. What was it in her life that made it so da*& difficult to overcome her obstacles and "demons" (for lack of a better word); what caused the self destrction in the first place. Or maybe they were just trying to make a buck. IDK




I have to go with "just trying to make a buck" because what's the point in trying to figure out what drove her to self destruct? It's not like that's going to bring her back so that she can start her life all over again with a new beginning.....she's gone and the life she had while here is over and done, for good! She didn't get the help she so desperately needed while she was alive, and neither did her daughter, so why rehash it all when absolutely nothing can be done about it? I just don't get that! Let the woman rest in peace!


The same could be said about Marilyn Monroe. We are still speculating about her life and death when she died well before most of us were even born. Before a lot of our parents were even born! Is it your stance that Whitney is more sacred, or less interesting and deserving?
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Reply #58 posted 08/02/18 9:22am

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Glindathegood said:



kitbradley said:






"Sexual Fluidity", like "bisexual" are terms often used to describe females who have relations with both genders. Men, however, are unfarily labeled as "gay" if they have been with one man and 500 women. lol There has always been a double-standard when it comes to these sort of things, especially in the African-American community.

I was watching a video on youtube the other day where one of R. Kelly's ex girlfriends was accusing him of being gay because he had some sexual encounters with other men. She's labeling him "gay" despite the fact he seems to be mostly into females.




Totally agree. I don't think it's at all unique to the African American community, the same thing happens with white guys.


Not quite
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Cinny said:

So it turns out it wasn't playing locally. I still haven't seen it.


Can someone please explain how Whitney, through her mom or marriage or whatever is related to Dionne and Dee Dee Warwick? I never quite understood that.


It was finally made clear for me when I read the post that quoted Cissy Houston.
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