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Thread started 06/26/18 4:58pm

Shawy89

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is MBDTF the best hip hop album of all time?

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I don't think there's a collection of songs more immaculately-written than that of MBDTF, every song is a killer, it's a prog-hip hop album with many odes to chamber music, to electronic music, to folktronica, to old school rap. Its maximalism is constructed carefully to pull off the concept Kanye is pushing which is "I'm an asshole and I know it and I'm gonna make it my job to make my art reflective of that"

You will not be punished for your anger, you will be punished by your anger. - Buddha
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Reply #1 posted 06/26/18 5:52pm

purplepolitici
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shrug Definitely very good? lol I like it nod... Dope opening track, All of the Lights, Monster, Devil in a New Dress n that sick verse from Rick Ross touched, even the last few songs kick, Hell of a Life, Blame Game n that odd n hilarious outro w/ Chris Rock (I gotta thank Yeezy! falloff clapping), not 2 mention sum of Ye's best lyrics wink smile.

The icing on the fucking cake...
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Reply #2 posted 06/27/18 7:14am

MotownSubdivis
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Nope, far from it.

Good album but very overrated by hip hop fans; many tracks feel like filler despite the crisp production.
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Reply #3 posted 06/27/18 8:19am

Dakarai

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How many hip hop albums have you heard?
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Reply #4 posted 06/27/18 8:41am

paisleypark4

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It may be considered a modern classic. Took a minute to grow on me (I didnt like Monster much but now I dig it). There are some extremely thought out production skills and lyrics.

From Pitchfork that gave it a 10/10 :On "POWER", Kanye raps, "My childlike creativity, purity, and honesty is honestly being crowded by these grown thoughts/ Reality is catching up with me, taking my inner child, I'm fighting for custody." The lines nail another commonality between the rapper and his hero. Like Michael, Kanye's behavior-- from the poorly planned outbursts to the musical brilliance-- is wide-eyed in a way that most 33 year olds have long left behind.

That naivety is routinely battered on Twisted Fantasy, yet it survives, better for the wear. With his music and persona both marked by a flawed honesty, Kanye's man-myth dichotomy is at once modern and truly classic. "I can't be everybody's hero and villain, savior and sinner, Christian and anti Christ!" he wrote earlier this month. That may be true, but he's more willing than anyone else to try.


Unlike most popular rap today, Kanye uses many musical elements on this album some orginal and some sampled, however the way he constructs violins, bass distorted guitars and keyboards on top of them sounds like he went places still undiscovered by many popular rap artists.

Download all the shit hop that you can for your kids, neices, nephews, and their friends also. That will prevent them from going out and buying it and will prevent some shit hop sales. Every little bit helps - Andy
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Reply #5 posted 06/28/18 10:21am

namepeace

It's impressive, but no.

For my twocents that title will forever belong to:

It Takes A Nation Of Millions To Hold Us Back

Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016

Props will be withheld until the showing and proving has commenced. -- Aaron McGruder
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Reply #6 posted 06/28/18 10:51am

StrangeButTrue

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lol

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if it was just a dream, call me a dreamer 2
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Reply #7 posted 06/28/18 12:05pm

000000

NAS - ILLMATIC

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Reply #8 posted 06/28/18 2:56pm

RJOrion

Hell No... 2 good songs...So Appalled ...Devil In A New Dress...the rest is garbage

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Reply #9 posted 06/28/18 5:18pm

phunkdaddy

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Pete Rock & CL Smooth - Mecca And The Soul Brother
Common - Like Water For Chocolate

and load me up on a dose of that Midnight Marauders by Tribe too
Bone made me stand up and get into the groove
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Reply #10 posted 06/28/18 5:21pm

phunkdaddy

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StrangeButTrue said:

lol


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I'm not the biggest Pac fan but Me Against The World was far more dope
than that commercial All Eyes On Me shit imo.
Bone made me stand up and get into the groove
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Reply #11 posted 06/28/18 7:18pm

RJOrion

slum village - "fantastic, vol 2"
jay-z - "The Blueprint"
camron & the diplomats - "diplomatic immunity 1"
wutang clan - "wutang forever"
common - "one day itll all make sense"
black milk - "popular demand"
nas - "stillmatic"
nipsey hussle - "victory lap"
mfdoom and madlib - "madvillainy"
a tribe called quest - "midnight marauders"
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Reply #12 posted 06/28/18 8:24pm

rdhull

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Its in the pantheon top 50

And everytime I scratch my nails down someone else's back I hope you feel it.. WELL CAN YA FEEL IT?!
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Reply #13 posted 06/29/18 4:16am

000000

MY TOP 6

NAS - ILLMATIC

NO PARTICULAR ORDER

PUBLIC ENEMY - IT TAKES A NATION OF MILLIONS TO HOLD US BACK

NWA - STRAIGHT OUTTA COMPTON

DR DRE - THE CHRONIC

REDMAN - MUDDY WATERS

TUPAC - ALL EYES ON ME

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Reply #14 posted 06/29/18 4:24am

jaawwnn

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If you're into that style of hip-hop it's definitely be up there. For years it did nothing for me but i've been coming around to it recently, which is an interesting change in my taste. To rate it over or beneath hip hop masterpieces from 15, 20, 30 years before it is a bit pointless.

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Reply #15 posted 06/29/18 6:36am

Dancelot

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namepeace said:

It's impressive, but no.

For my twocents that title will forever belong to:

It Takes A Nation Of Millions To Hold Us Back

which happend to turn 30 years just yesterday

30.... (!!)
this sounds unreal grandpa


Vanglorious... this is protected by the red, the black, and the green. With a key... sissy!
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Reply #16 posted 06/29/18 12:18pm

paisleypark4

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jaawwnn said:

If you're into that style of hip-hop it's definitely be up there. For years it did nothing for me but i've been coming around to it recently, which is an interesting change in my taste. To rate it over or beneath hip hop masterpieces from 15, 20, 30 years before it is a bit pointless.

Right like whats better Aretha Franklin "I Never Loved A Man" or "Dangerous" by MJ lol. Different eras...times...styles.

Download all the shit hop that you can for your kids, neices, nephews, and their friends also. That will prevent them from going out and buying it and will prevent some shit hop sales. Every little bit helps - Andy
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Reply #17 posted 06/29/18 12:48pm

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As a fan of Kanye's early work, I believe it to be Kanye's best. Sonically interesting on different tracks and he sounded as if he had something to prove after 808 & Heartbreak (which I also liked).

I always thought Monster would have worked better on Watch the Throne due to the Jay Z connection there. Also having Jay on So Apalled the track after seemed a bit redundant.

Good album throughout though.

"Old man's gotta be the old man. Fish has got to be the fish."
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Reply #18 posted 06/29/18 12:54pm

namepeace

Dancelot said:

namepeace said:

It's impressive, but no.

For my twocents that title will forever belong to:

It Takes A Nation Of Millions To Hold Us Back

which happend to turn 30 years just yesterday

30.... (!!)
this sounds unreal grandpa



Still sounds cutting edge today.

Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016

Props will be withheld until the showing and proving has commenced. -- Aaron McGruder
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Reply #19 posted 07/04/18 8:18pm

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namepeace said:

It's impressive, but no.

For my twocents that title will forever belong to:

It Takes A Nation Of Millions To Hold Us Back

Fear Of A Black Planet is crazy too. I was actually surprised at how good some of PE's post 90's shit

sounds. If you haven't given it a listen. Please do.

Bone made me stand up and get into the groove
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Reply #20 posted 07/05/18 8:17am

namepeace

phunkdaddy said:

namepeace said:

It's impressive, but no.

For my twocents that title will forever belong to:

It Takes A Nation Of Millions To Hold Us Back

Fear Of A Black Planet is crazy too. I was actually surprised at how good some of PE's post 90's shit

sounds. If you haven't given it a listen. Please do.


Fear was arguably even more radical than Nation.

You're right, their shelf life lasted beyond the 90s.

Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016

Props will be withheld until the showing and proving has commenced. -- Aaron McGruder
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Reply #21 posted 07/05/18 12:16pm

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A good film to go with the album as well

Download all the shit hop that you can for your kids, neices, nephews, and their friends also. That will prevent them from going out and buying it and will prevent some shit hop sales. Every little bit helps - Andy
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemus
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Reply #22 posted 07/06/18 7:33am

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Shawy89 said:

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I don't think there's a collection of songs more immaculately-written than that of MBDTF, every song is a killer, it's a prog-hip hop album with many odes to chamber music, to electronic music, to folktronica, to old school rap. Its maximalism is constructed carefully to pull off the concept Kanye is pushing which is "I'm an asshole and I know it and I'm gonna make it my job to make my art reflective of that"

One of two things: A.) You haven't heard very many hip-hop albums or B.) a serious Kanye stan.

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Reply #23 posted 07/06/18 2:41pm

Romeoblu

No. Gold Nigga is.
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Reply #24 posted 07/08/18 12:13pm

paisleypark4

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Romeoblu said:

No. Gold Nigga is.

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Download all the shit hop that you can for your kids, neices, nephews, and their friends also. That will prevent them from going out and buying it and will prevent some shit hop sales. Every little bit helps - Andy
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