namepeace said:

I said that one album Camp is total crap, and it is. Go listen to it. It's awful. That doesn't mean all his stuff is crap. His last album wasn't bad. Like you said, very derivative.

I think my main issue is that the music I really love, from any genre, all has that fresh feeling of red-hot burning creative inspiration poured out into sound that just can't be faked. None of his stuff has that. Instead he always sounds like he's chasing musical trends a year late.

scratch said:

namepeace said:

I may have read your comments about "complete crap" as running him down. And similar to your experience with the "genius" camp I have seen a lot of folks here and elsewhere in full on hateration-holleration mode.

Not everything has to be a "love-in" -- even though I enjoy his music, I find it highly derivative, and I think his last album is a bit overpraised by a lot of people who don't really know his references.

That said, he's done a lot with the talents he has, and with some help, he built a piece of work that will likely be his signature. He's doing more with what he has than other far more talented musical acts.

I said that one album Camp is total crap, and it is. Go listen to it. It's awful. That doesn't mean all his stuff is crap. His last album wasn't bad. Like you said, very derivative. I think my main issue is that the music I really love, from any genre, all has that fresh feeling of red-hot burning creative inspiration poured out into sound that just can't be faked. None of his stuff has that. Instead he always sounds like he's chasing musical trends a year late.

Camp won't be on any all-time lists but it's not awful. I actually like it fine, because while it overcompensates and has a lot of the same problems other hip-hop records have, it deals with issues of identity and coming of age that for 2011 cut against the grain. Like I said, I read too much into your comment.

I'm with you, the type of music that you're talking about is what I generally prefer, that gives you that "feeling." It's why I love certain acts, and simply like some of Glover's stuff.

Between his TV projects and film projects, I can see why he'd be a year late to music trends.

"Camp" had some good joints on there..."LES", "Backpackers", " All The Shine", "Outside", "Sunrise"...etc...no way is that project total crap...i can dig the sentiment that "hes a year late", and "hes chasing trends", but who doesnt?..who hasnt?...he good at what he does, considering hes relatively new to mass exposure, and has so many different things going on that hes also damn good at...let that man be great...hes just getting started