Goddess4Real said:

thesoulbrother said:

Chief... I am not about to get on a message board and name drop! That's no secret that MJ borrowed, took, stole, or however the hell you wanna call it from other musicians! Regardless to what the man did, it DOES NOT diminish Michael Jackson's talents! It doesn't! Quincy Jones can say that Michael farted in his dinner and pissed on his leg but that ain't gonna take anything away from the fact that Off the Wall is a masterpiece. It won't take away from the fact that Michael Jackson is THE only entertainer that could make the hardest gangbanger sit in the front row and scream like a bitch! Trust me... Michael Jackson's legacy is safe and secure and will be for many years to come.

We understand u have to protect your "sources" being in the biz and all

It's not about that. The point I am simply trying to make is nothing or no one will ever take away Michael's greatness. The man was/is a brilliant entertainer. People will talk about that man from now until the end of time but it won't stop me from bangin' "Baby Be Mine" or "Get On the Floor."

RJOrion said:

morningsong said:

Geesh, Quincy just going around smacking everybody.

LOL... the O.G. just shootin' up the whole club, emptying clip after clip, with no regard for human life... problem is, his victims were already dead...so in reality, he's just spraying graffiti on tombstones and pissing on gravesites... compelling, but so uncool...

I like this one ^^

If you have any Illustrator skills (it's easy if you have the program)... could u draw up a fake album cover of Q pissing on spray painted gravestones of those mentioned...and call it "ASS" in "BAD" (MJ) lettering?

Cause he's really showing no regard for any of those dead

u know... looking at the viewer with his back to us taking a leak on graves

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thesoulbrother said:

When it comes to Michael, it seems to be usually the differences between writing and arranging.

With Don't Stop Til You Get Enough, Michael wrote the song in full with Greg bringing in the 15 second bridge/transition in later. From the looks of it, Greg got the proper credit of arranging although because he helped Michael on that part, he could've very well gotten writing credit that was originally agreed upon

It probably happened a few times as Michael's way of songwriting was unorthodox (but still valid) and how the musician (whether it was Greg Phillinganes, John Barnes, Michael Boddicker, and others) worked with him.

Did he lift pieces and use them in his work? Yep. Don't Stop Til You Get Enough and Shake Your Body were inspired by Got To Give It Up by Marvin Gaye

Quincy wanted Rod Temperton to use the bassline from Give It To Me Baby by Rick James and I think the music in Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' was inspired by Staying Power by Queen

Itt happens, a lot of artists borrow. Doesn't change the fact that Michael was a great songwriter IMO

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HAPPYPERSON said:

Quincy Jones is still resentful over the fact that Michael Jackson was able to prosper without him

Michael Jackson ♕‏ @MJJLegion 2h2 hours ago
In response to the claims that Michael ‘stole’ music: 1) The writers of ‘State Of Independence’ said Quincy told them HE and MJ were inspired by their album - and the songs still sound nothing alike. Quincy is desperately clutching at straws to discredit Michael.

Link to original article

http://teamrock.com/news/2016-07-20/jon-anderson-on-how-vangelis-album-inspired-thriller

So how did Michael steal when it was acknowledged by the both of them that they were inspired by the riff and made it known the artists it came from?

stole
to appropriate (ideas, credit, words, etc.) without right or acknowledgment.

Stevie Wonder acknowledged that Earth, Wind, & Fire's Shining Star inspired I Wish

Clark Sisters You Brought the Sunshine was inspired by Stevie Wonder's Master Baster

Madonna's Material Girl used the Jackson's bassline from Can You Feel It?

Michael Jackson #1 hits
Ben: written by Don Black and composed by Walter Scharf
Don't Stop 'Til You Get Enough: Written and composed by Michael Jackson
Rock With You: written by English songwriter Rod Temperton
Billie Jean: written and composed by Michael Jackson
Beat It: written and composed by Michael Jackson
Say Say Say: written and composed by Paul McCartney and Michael Jackson
I Just Can't Stop Loving You: written and composed by Michael Jackson
Bad: written and composed by Michael Jackson
The Way You Make Me Feel: written and composed by Michael Jackson
Man in the Mirror: written and composed by Michael Jackson
Dirty Diana: written and composed by Michael Jackson
Black or White: written and composed by Michael Jackson
You Are Not Alone: written and composed by R. Kelly

Michael Jackson ♕‏ @MJJLegion
Finally, the claim that Michael was ‘greedy’ with song writing credits is absurd. His name appears only on the songs he actually wrote - he did not, unlike some singers, simply slap his name as a co-writer on every song on his albums after doing the bare minimum. So, enough.

As you can see MJ composed the majority of his #1 hits not only that but his songwriting and producing helped him win Grammys for Record of the Year, Song of the Year, & Album of the Year.

MJ's Home Demos before Quincy's input

Even before his remarkable solo career Michael written/co-written & produced with no Quincy's input.

"Blues Away" was the first published song written by lead singer Michael Jackson

The most successful of the Jacksons' recordings for Epic, "Shake Your Body" (originally demoed as "Shake a Body") was produced by the Jackson brothers, written by Randy and Michael, and featured Michael on lead vocals.

"This Place Hotel" (originally named "Heartbreak Hotel") was a hit recording by The Jacksons released in 1980. Written and composed by Michael, the song would precede Jackson's own hit, "Billie Jean", in its insecurity-plagued tale of confusion. While his brothers did not sing background vocals, they were credited with playing percussion on the album while brother Tito contributed a guitar solo.

His creative genius led him to be inducted into the Songwriters Hall of Fame back in 2002


Michael Jackson's remarkable 30-year career scaled unparalleled musical, commercial and critical heights. His myriad achievements included being responsible for the best-selling album of all time, pioneering the music-video medium, and virtually redefining the concept of the modern pop star. As a songwriter, he penned more than 150 songs, with more than 20 reaching multi-million performance status on American radio and television.

Michael Jackson spent four decades as a songwriter, performer, recording artist and public figure, and will be remembered as a consistent musical innovator and stylistic trendsetter.
Michael Jackson | Songwriters Hall of Fame

and He went on to create two highly important and successful albums in the 90's after Quincy Jones. So while Quincy contributed to Michael' legacy he wasn't responsible for it.

Thanks for the receipts

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Melanie321‏ @Mellie4Justice 2h2 hours ago

Somebody tell me what medical school @QuincyDJones went to ? Since he is now an expert on vitiligo and knows more than Michael Jackson’s autopsy report ?

Yeah not surprised to hear that, considering MJ couldn't play many instruments, but I agree Q is being a bit nasty. Still, I admire that in a sense, he is at that cranky grandpa stage where his stories are unabashed and he's going to be severe in his assessments, when I am that age I will also be taking a massive dump on people I know as publicly as possible with life-ruining scrutiny. I was just glad he didn't criticise Michael's finger-clicking, calling him the worst finger-clicker of all time or anything, I thought his snapping on Bad kept good time with the beats anyway, that was one instrument he could match Prince on even though he couldn't play piano, guitar, drums, etc.

PHOENIX‏ @PhoenixLaNegra Feb 7

PHOENIX Retweeted Donté Bland

PHOENIX added,

He reminds me my grandpa who's older than Quincy.

bboy87 said:

Q wrote the Sanford and Son theme. All I care about.

2freaky4church1 said:

Q wrote the Sanford and Son theme. All I care about.

You a funny dude, 2freaky.

2freaky4church1 said:

Q wrote the Sanford and Son theme. All I care about.

and the Ironside Theme, and the Banacek theme, and The Bill Cosby Show theme, and theme music for Roots...not to mention several movie scores.... Q was The Man ...

Happy B'day thesoulbrother your radio show is AMAZING

Mr. Chris‏ @soulbrothershow 11h11 hours ago

I want this wall omg omg

Goddess4Real said:

Happy B'day thesoulbrother your radio show is AMAZING

Mr. Chris‏ @soulbrothershow 11h11 hours ago

About to celebrate my 43rd birthday on Sunday! So much to be thankful for! #birthday #birthdayboy #thankful #grateful #countdownto43

QueenofPurplePalace said:

I want this wall omg omg

Goddess4Real said:

Happy B'day thesoulbrother your radio show is AMAZING

Mr. Chris‏ @soulbrothershow 11h11 hours ago

About to celebrate my 43rd birthday on Sunday! So much to be thankful for! #birthday #birthdayboy #thankful #grateful #countdownto43

I also love ESPN'S Jalen & Jacoby's studio walls as well. Very impressive indeed

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Say Say Say sounds like Promises Promises.

2freaky4church1 said:

I wonder if Quincy is still angry about MJ's lawyer bringing up the demos in his lawsuit last year against the estate? Hence why he decided to trash MJ in that Vulture interview

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Here is an article from 2 years ago....how times have changed...Michael Jackson’s Producer Quincy Jones Regrets Bad-Mouthing Himhttp://www.wetpaint.co...s-1516847/

Everybody steals shit from everyone else, but at least with people like Sly, James Brown, Prince and even MJ, they bring enough originality to their own acts, plus they make things current. Music is just part of a process called evolution. Generally I defend Q as he is old and he was important in a lot of careers, especially Michael Jackson's and collateral repsect builds up I guess.

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But after defending his ass in the mounting hostility in my moonlighting as an MJ fan, they got pissed, seriously most of us Michael Jackson fans are truly angry about this shit Q was saying, but I can see past it, still speaking ill of the dead is sad. Michael Jackson gave so much and his music was very important and he borught a lot of originality to it (His dancing, showmanship and awesome vocal power). I don't really feel Q is qualified to talk mess about Prince though as he never worked with him.

First of all, wasn't he the producer of three of Michael's Albums? The second thing is, I am more pissed about what he had to say about MJ's surgerys. Michael had an illness, it was proven in the Autopsy. How QJ talked about it was disgusting.

I don't care so much about the fact that music was stolen. Everyone did it at one point. Bruno Mars builds a whole carreer on that. As long as the music's good, who cares? There'll always be some melodies that sound similar.

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ThatWhiteDude said:

First of all, wasn't he the producer of three of Michael's Albums? The second thing is, I am more pissed about what he had to say about MJ's surgerys. Michael had an illness, it was proven in the Autopsy. How QJ talked about it was disgusting.

I don't care so much about the fact that music was stolen. Everyone did it at one point. Bruno Mars builds a whole carreer on that. As long as the music's good, who cares? There'll always be some melodies that sound similar.

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exactly its listed in the offical Autopsy report and yet various celebs like Quincy and reporters like David Marchese chose to ignore it (he could have had followed-up question about that).

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thesoulbrother said:

About ten years ago I was talking to a radio veteran who worked closely with Michael. He told me then that Michael had stolen several of his hit songs and basically received credit for other people's work. I didn't want to believe it. Hmmm...

This is interesting....I never thought MJ tried to pass off like he was a gifted writer. I thought it was common knowledge that he greatly benefited from producers but at the end of the day, it was his stage presence and the way he capitvated people across the globe and across all demographics that is what set him apart really....

State Of Independence released same year as Thriller (1982)

Here is a home demo of Billie Jean from 1981.

Goddess4Real said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

First of all, wasn't he the producer of three of Michael's Albums? The second thing is, I am more pissed about what he had to say about MJ's surgerys. Michael had an illness, it was proven in the Autopsy. How QJ talked about it was disgusting.

I don't care so much about the fact that music was stolen. Everyone did it at one point. Bruno Mars builds a whole carreer on that. As long as the music's good, who cares? There'll always be some melodies that sound similar.

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exactly its listed in the offical Autopsy report and yet various celebs like Quincy and reporters like David Marchese chose to ignore it (he could have had followed-up question about that).

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It isn't much a surprise to me that reporters ignore it. They always kicked him down. But that Quincy, who called Michael a brother when he died, jumps the bandwagon shocks me. And it's really sad. And that Jermaine works on a musical with that guy is another slap in the face. No wonder Paris went crazy with braindead people like that around her.

RJOrion said:

alot of people mad at Q for telling these stories, and some calling him liar... but the man has seen and done it all...with anybody who's ever been anybody in the entertainment industry, in the last 50 years...at 84 years old, why would he be anything but honest?...he probably should be keeping this stuff to his self (for his own personal safety), but the shit he is saying is some compelling, and sometimes fascinating stuff...and its really nothing new with him, he's always been a diva...keep goin, Q

I agree, people get so ridiculous when they think that one of their favs are somehow being maligned by the truth. Micheal just should have given more credit, where credit was due. It's that simple.

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