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Reply #30 posted 02/11/18 1:05pm

Musician9

GENIUS for real.

he wrote charts for every note of music on those records. Prince wouldn't even get through his first album in his 30 year career, and then he recorded double what P did in less time as well.

sure his stuff will not be for everybody, I literally think he did not want any fans, but when you transcribe and perform dead classical artists music for a modern audience you're well beyond the pop music of P and Bowie, even Miles, who needed Bill Evans for that sort of expertise.

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Reply #31 posted 02/11/18 2:20pm

DarkHorse77

Zappa was a stone cold genius, and (with all due respect to Prince) the greatest guitarist ever to walk Earth, imo.

Oh, and I can't recommend Captain Beefheart highly enough to everyone!

[Edited 2/11/18 14:21pm]

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Liberate my mind."
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Reply #32 posted 02/11/18 3:21pm

stpaisios

DarkHorse77 said:

Zappa was a stone cold genius, and (with all due respect to Prince) the greatest guitarist ever to walk Earth, imo.

Oh, and I can't recommend Captain Beefheart highly enough to everyone!

I am getting right now into some recommended Zappa records, but even when i tried to get through his catalog few yrs ago i got impression of a big mess. His vocal delivery and big time satire & other themes are not appealing 2 me. 'Greatest guitarist ever' is somethign i dont really care about... cuz a never saw Prince primary as a guitar player or virtuoso of some kind. I mean, give me Joy in Repetition or that solo on I HATE U and i am ok with guitar playing....

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Reply #33 posted 02/12/18 12:25am

Neversin

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DarkHorse77 said:

Zappa was a stone cold genius, and (with all due respect to Prince) the greatest guitarist ever to walk Earth, imo.

Oh, and I can't recommend Captain Beefheart highly enough to everyone!

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I always thought of Zappa as a not all too great guitar player who could write amazing guitar parts... But parts best for someone else to play, like Vai for example... Zappa wasn't a virtuoso but he did write like one...

Neversin.

O(+>NIИ<+)O

“Is man merely a mistake of God's? Or God merely a mistake of man's?”

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Reply #34 posted 02/12/18 2:33am

mynameisnotsus
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Goddess4Real said:

Finally....my fav Frank Zappa song.....I'm The Slime (1973)





Love this song cool

This cover makes me smile

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Reply #35 posted 02/12/18 6:10am

TheFman

I could use the word genius if i would hear a single great melody by him. But for all his greatness, that's what is missing in his songs, imo.

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Reply #36 posted 02/12/18 8:20am

PeteSilas

TheFman said:

I could use the word genius if i would hear a single great melody by him. But for all his greatness, that's what is missing in his songs, imo.

you might be right, i loved trouble everyday though, that was a great rockin' tune. and, prophetic too.

Prince.org: With fans like these he didn't need haters.
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Reply #37 posted 02/12/18 8:29am

PeteSilas

last night i was listening to his live version of stairway to heaven, as good as it is, as sharp and clear as it's played, he can't stop being a smartass long enough to let the song play, all sorts of wierd effects and shit, there is a point where that detracts from just how good he was as musician,bandleader etc.., that has to count against him because it almost seems like he's trying to sabotage the performance himself and it was great without all that shit.

Prince.org: With fans like these he didn't need haters.
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Reply #38 posted 02/14/18 2:34pm

mrwiggles

Don't sleep on his guitar skills either. Helluva player. Find you a version of Watermelon In Easter Hay and get back to me.

And as far as I know this mug was self taught. Grew up out in the desert out west somewhere, New Mexico or sumn. Started picking up some instruments and some old Doo wop 45's and went from there.
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Reply #39 posted 02/15/18 6:01pm

2045RadicalMat
tZ

Fucking genius but LUMPY GRAVY and a lot of that era is honestly Crap excremental/experimental music

Favorites:
DOREEN
ZOMBIE WOOF
THE MUFFIN MAN
CATHOLIC GIRLS
JOE'S GARAGE (*tell me that song ain't the truth? )
HARDER THAN YOUR HUSBAND
HEAVENLY BANK ACCOUNT
I'M THE SLIME
BLACK NAPKINS
PEACHES EN REGALIA
HE'S SO GAY


ABSOLUTE MUST LISTEN= JOE'S GARAGE PARTS I, II & III, *AND (*) APOSTROPHE
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"Damn Dolores, pick another subject, please...introduce the carpet to something other than your knees...."
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Reply #40 posted 02/15/18 6:06pm

2045RadicalMat
tZ

mrwiggles said:

Don't sleep on his guitar skills either. Helluva player. Find you a version of Watermelon In Easter Hay and get back to me.

And as far as I know this mug was self taught. Grew up out in the desert out west somewhere, New Mexico or sumn. Started picking up some instruments and some old Doo wop 45's and went from there.



** he's on record for staying that "3 HOURS PAST MIDNIGHT" by JOHNNY GUITAR WATSON (*YES, the very same) changed his life and was THE decisive moment when he decided that v he would be a musician.


That's where he got his forceful picking style. Johnny plucked like a motherfucker....and with the exception of Zappa fans doesn't get much credit. .



....AIN'T THAT A BITCH?
"Damn Dolores, pick another subject, please...introduce the carpet to something other than your knees...."
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Reply #41 posted 02/17/18 12:47am

2045RadicalMat
tZ

Geez. A couple days later and no new responses.


I just wanted to say. ....GOOD GRAVY! How did i forget that wonderful song LUCILLE ?


One of the best they'd done.



But i DO feel the casual listener. If you start on the wrong and most INACCESIBLE or UNRELATABLE music then Zappa can be a fucking Downer.

I'm in the minority among fans in that i don't like WE'RE ONLY IN IT FOR THE MONEY and FREAK OUT! ....nor his attempt at Broadway stuff.

I gotta listen to the orchestral stuff in a better FREER mindset before i can say anything about that yet. All these years and i still spin the same 8 ZAPPA albums despite having about 30. (And YouTube prob accounting for all the rest on a good listen)
"Damn Dolores, pick another subject, please...introduce the carpet to something other than your knees...."
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Reply #42 posted 02/17/18 1:40am

funkaholic1972

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2045RadicalMattZ said:

mrwiggles said:
Don't sleep on his guitar skills either. Helluva player. Find you a version of Watermelon In Easter Hay and get back to me. And as far as I know this mug was self taught. Grew up out in the desert out west somewhere, New Mexico or sumn. Started picking up some instruments and some old Doo wop 45's and went from there.
** he's on record for staying that "3 HOURS PAST MIDNIGHT" by JOHNNY GUITAR WATSON (*YES, the very same) changed his life and was THE decisive moment when he decided that v he would be a musician. That's where he got his forceful picking style. Johnny plucked like a motherfucker....and with the exception of Zappa fans doesn't get much credit. . ....AIN'T THAT A BITCH?

JGW is one of the great to me, he is an excellent artist with some great albums under his belt.

RIP Prince: thank U 4 a funky Time!
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Reply #43 posted 02/17/18 2:15am

mrwiggles

2045RadicalMattZ said:

mrwiggles said:

Don't sleep on his guitar skills either. Helluva player. Find you a version of Watermelon In Easter Hay and get back to me.

And as far as I know this mug was self taught. Grew up out in the desert out west somewhere, New Mexico or sumn. Started picking up some instruments and some old Doo wop 45's and went from there.



** he's on record for staying that "3 HOURS PAST MIDNIGHT" by JOHNNY GUITAR WATSON (*YES, the very same) changed his life and was THE decisive moment when he decided that v he would be a musician.


That's where he got his forceful picking style. Johnny plucked like a motherfucker....and with the exception of Zappa fans doesn't get much credit. .



....AIN'T THAT A BITCH?


Thanks for pointing that out. Yes Zappa worshipped him. Johnny Guitar Watson is one of the great unsung heroes in the music world. Most only remember him for that run of funk LPs he had in the mid 70s, but this mug was getting way down long before that. However, he is known as a musicians musician and had enormous influence on a lot of great guitarists.
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Reply #44 posted 02/17/18 8:01am

2freaky4church
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This pure genius:

DJ is da man
"2freaky is very down." 2Elijah.
"2freaky convinced me to join Antifa: OnlyNDA
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Reply #45 posted 02/17/18 11:04am

mrwiggles

2045RadicalMattZ said:

Fucking genius but LUMPY GRAVY and a lot of that era is honestly Crap excremental/experimental music

Favorites:
DOREEN
ZOMBIE WOOF
THE MUFFIN MAN
CATHOLIC GIRLS
JOE'S GARAGE (*tell me that song ain't the truth? )
HARDER THAN YOUR HUSBAND
HEAVENLY BANK ACCOUNT
I'M THE SLIME
BLACK NAPKINS
PEACHES EN REGALIA
HE'S SO GAY


ABSOLUTE MUST LISTEN= JOE'S GARAGE PARTS I, II & III, *AND (*) APOSTROPHE
[Edited 2/15/18 18:02pm]
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The whole Joe's Garage album is a conceptual master work.
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