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Thread started 01/18/18 1:16am

Gunsnhalen

Does the top 100 even matter anymore?

Btw this is not a “this generation of music sucks” type of talk. But a literal talk on the hot 100. I’ve noticed more and more how there’s the same 10-15 songs played on radio. And usually it’s those in the top 10 or very least top 20. Years ago there were tons of songs below the top 40 that got a lot of airplay and were seen as big hits. Now it seems less and less like anything that’s not top 20 gets a shit load of airplay or any airplay at all. It used to be a big deal to get any song on the hot 100 cause it’s supposed to be the “100 most played songs across all genes” There’s been songs I’ve actually liked but they are played multiple times an hour on the radio at work, Gym etc. that I get tired of them quick! Now I don’t listen to the radio when I’m
Not at work or in a friends car but still... this is what I’ve noticed.

So what happens to songs below the top 40 nowadays? Are they seen as flops? Hits? And are they even played at all.

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Reply #1 posted 01/18/18 1:29am

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Nope.

People stopped giving a sh*t about the UK music charts here about 10-15 years ago. As soon as they started counting airplay, downloads, etc in it the writing was on the wall.

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Reply #2 posted 01/18/18 1:32am

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DaveT said:

Nope.

People stopped giving a sh*t about the UK music charts here about 10-15 years ago. As soon as they started counting airplay, downloads, etc in it the writing was on the wall.


Yeah and not to mention adding YouTube plays and streaming as well...
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Reply #3 posted 01/18/18 11:16am

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Nope.

It's the same with albums. A non-pop artist could score a #1 album on the Billboard 200 and regardless of whether or not they release a single, there is no sign of said album's songs on pop radio which should be about playing whatever is "popular", not just "pop" music.

I miss the days when a cut off an album didn't have to be officially released as a single yet could still receive tons of airplay and become a staple of its genre's radio stations.
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Reply #4 posted 01/18/18 11:18am

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Spotify top 100 counts, as do the playlists. Careers are being made by being included on the Rap Caviar playlist.
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Reply #5 posted 01/18/18 11:40am

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MotownSubdivision said:

Nope. It's the same with albums. A non-pop artist could score a #1 album on the Billboard 200 and regardless of whether or not they release a single, there is no sign of said album's songs on pop radio which should be about playing whatever is "popular", not just "pop" music. I miss the days when a cut off an album didn't have to be officially released as a single yet could still receive tons of airplay and become a staple of its genre's radio stations.

Thats what happened with Redbone by Childish Gambino and Harlem Shake its still happenening. Songs can hit the charts just due to video plays on youtube these days.

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Reply #6 posted 01/18/18 12:45pm

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Yeah both are really useless at the point because it really is a BS system, streams get you X amount and clicks get you this and sales are this etc...this is why Lumping in Cardi B having some kind of "record" comparing it to what the Beatles is fucking BS, 90% of the planet has no clue what a Cardi B is what she does, and at the time of the Beatles records and things being set most of the population knew who they were. Also going to a store and buying a record waiting on line to pay for it etc...to me is far different than clicking a button or watching a youtube video or stream sorry thats how I feel, its not about new and old times its about you cant compare one to the other


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Reply #7 posted 01/18/18 1:36pm

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MotownSubdivision said:


Nope. It's the same with albums. A non-pop artist could score a #1 album on the Billboard 200 and regardless of whether or not they release a single, there is no sign of said album's songs on pop radio which should be about playing whatever is "popular", not just "pop" music. I miss the days when a cut off an album didn't have to be officially released as a single yet could still receive tons of airplay and become a staple of its genre's radio stations.

Thats what happened with Redbone by Childish Gambino and Harlem Shake its still happenening. Songs can hit the charts just due to video plays on youtube these days.


Redbone deserved it! The whole album
Was great. Also a song used in a commercial or meme I noticed can get really big too.
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Reply #8 posted 01/18/18 1:37pm

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MotownSubdivision said:

Nope.

It's the same with albums. A non-pop artist could score a #1 album on the Billboard 200 and regardless of whether or not they release a single, there is no sign of said album's songs on pop radio which should be about playing whatever is "popular", not just "pop" music.

I miss the days when a cut off an album didn't have to be officially released as a single yet could still receive tons of airplay and become a staple of its genre's radio stations.


Yeah I remember when my rock station would play non singles and they would become huge. Good examples of this are songs like isn’t she lovely bus tebie wonder or desperado by the eagles. Never released as singles but now are classics of their genres. Even the individual rock, pop, R&B stations. Have become all singles and all filler confused
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Reply #9 posted 01/18/18 2:17pm

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Gunsnhalen said:

MotownSubdivision said:
Nope. It's the same with albums. A non-pop artist could score a #1 album on the Billboard 200 and regardless of whether or not they release a single, there is no sign of said album's songs on pop radio which should be about playing whatever is "popular", not just "pop" music. I miss the days when a cut off an album didn't have to be officially released as a single yet could still receive tons of airplay and become a staple of its genre's radio stations.
Yeah I remember when my rock station would play non singles and they would become huge. Good examples of this are songs like isn’t she lovely bus tebie wonder or desperado by the eagles. Never released as singles but now are classics of their genres. Even the individual rock, pop, R&B stations. Have become all singles and all filler confused

Yeah radio is not allowed to do that now, I can think of tons of artists that were broke because a DJ happened to like a song and played it and the phones lit up. I mean STYX in 1975 these guys were about to be dropped by their label, a DJ decides he is going to play "LADY" which was from the previous because HE thought it should have been a hit, played it every day on his show till it charted and caught fire. Suddenly a song that was #92 was top 10. Rick Springfield "Jessies Girl" was not planned to even be a single, the label went with "I've Done everything for you" which was the only cover Rick did, it was a HAgar song. So someone started playing "Jessies Girl" and the phones lit up, again you cannot do that now.


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Reply #10 posted 01/18/18 2:20pm

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Reply #11 posted 01/18/18 3:15pm

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paisleypark4 said:

MotownSubdivision said:

Nope. It's the same with albums. A non-pop artist could score a #1 album on the Billboard 200 and regardless of whether or not they release a single, there is no sign of said album's songs on pop radio which should be about playing whatever is "popular", not just "pop" music. I miss the days when a cut off an album didn't have to be officially released as a single yet could still receive tons of airplay and become a staple of its genre's radio stations.

Thats what happened with Redbone by Childish Gambino and Harlem Shake its still happenening. Songs can hit the charts just due to video plays on youtube these days.

Good point although I had no idea 'Redbone" wasn't an official single.

It's morbidly funny how today we as listeners have more power than ever to decide what becomes a hit when you factor in YouTube views and streams yet we hear less variety than ever on the radio.

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lastdecember said:

Yeah both are really useless at the point because it really is a BS system, streams get you X amount and clicks get you this and sales are this etc...this is why Lumping in Cardi B having some kind of "record" comparing it to what the Beatles is fucking BS, 90% of the planet has no clue what a Cardi B is what she does, and at the time of the Beatles records and things being set most of the population knew who they were. Also going to a store and buying a record waiting on line to pay for it etc...to me is far different than clicking a button or watching a youtube video or stream sorry thats how I feel, its not about new and old times its about you cant compare one to the other


Totally this! ... it took effort to save up your money, catch the bus in to town, and head to the record shop to purchase your music. You had to earn it, and so did the artist. All it takes these days is the movement of one finger. There's no comparison.

And there's also no accounting for the people who make a YouTube 'click' who then think "this is a load of sh*t".

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Reply #13 posted 01/19/18 8:24am

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DaveT said:



lastdecember said:


Yeah both are really useless at the point because it really is a BS system, streams get you X amount and clicks get you this and sales are this etc...this is why Lumping in Cardi B having some kind of "record" comparing it to what the Beatles is fucking BS, 90% of the planet has no clue what a Cardi B is what she does, and at the time of the Beatles records and things being set most of the population knew who they were. Also going to a store and buying a record waiting on line to pay for it etc...to me is far different than clicking a button or watching a youtube video or stream sorry thats how I feel, its not about new and old times its about you cant compare one to the other




Totally this! ... it took effort to save up your money, catch the bus in to town, and head to the record shop to purchase your music. You had to earn it, and so did the artist. All it takes these days is the movement of one finger. There's no comparison.

And there's also no accounting for the people who make a YouTube 'click' who then think "this is a load of sh*t".

To be fair, one could run into town and buy a record back in the day and end up hating it too. However, unlike simply listening to a song/album on YouTube (and hating it), you actually purchased it and the artist made a sale. Now, an arbitrary of "views" counts as much as actually spending money in exchange for the music. It's stupid.
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Reply #14 posted 01/19/18 8:52am

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Sales of singles matter more now than album sales.

But chart position matters less.

For many of us, and I'd dare say many in this forum, the artists we have followed for years are NOT mainstream artists, so we don't care.

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Reply #15 posted 01/19/18 9:03am

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namepeace said:

Sales of singles matter more now than album sales.

But chart position matters less.

For many of us, and I'd dare say many in this forum, the artists we have followed for years are NOT mainstream artists, so we don't care.

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Reply #16 posted 01/19/18 9:52am

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namepeace said:

Sales of singles matter more now than album sales.

But chart position matters less.

For many of us, and I'd dare say many in this forum, the artists we have followed for years are NOT mainstream artists, so we don't care.

Got that right.

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Reply #17 posted 01/19/18 10:09am

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For the most part, the average joe doesn't give a rat's behind about music anymore, period. they would rather binge-watch Netflix.

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Reply #18 posted 01/19/18 12:57pm

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namepeace said:

Sales of singles matter more now than album sales.

But chart position matters less.

For many of us, and I'd dare say many in this forum, the artists we have followed for years are NOT mainstream artists, so we don't care.

Even so, the current system is a convoluted mess.
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Reply #19 posted 01/19/18 1:22pm

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MotownSubdivision said:

namepeace said:

Sales of singles matter more now than album sales.

But chart position matters less.

For many of us, and I'd dare say many in this forum, the artists we have followed for years are NOT mainstream artists, so we don't care.

Even so, the current system is a convoluted mess. [Edited 1/19/18 12:57pm]


Can't disagree there, my friend. Since Napster and iTunes hit the scene at the beginning of the century, the industry hasn't figured out a coherent model to fit the times.

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Reply #20 posted 01/19/18 1:50pm

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namepeace said:



MotownSubdivision said:


namepeace said:

Sales of singles matter more now than album sales.

But chart position matters less.

For many of us, and I'd dare say many in this forum, the artists we have followed for years are NOT mainstream artists, so we don't care.



Even so, the current system is a convoluted mess. [Edited 1/19/18 12:57pm]


Can't disagree there, my friend. Since Napster and iTunes hit the scene at the beginning of the century, the industry hasn't figured out a coherent model to fit the times.

For YouTube views, they need to focus on the number of those who like a song instead of taking overall views into consideration. Not everybody who actually likes a video hits the like button to show they do and it's never as many as the people who viewed but it's a better way to gauge interest than just assuming a view means someone liked it.

That said, going this route still shouldn't result in actual sales numbers.
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