Michaelmania in 1983/84 was outrageous....unlike anything I had ever seen! It was alot of fun

SoulAlive said:

Michaelmania in 1983/84 was outrageous....unlike anything I had ever seen! It was alot of fun

it was a great time as a young music fan, so exciting. I love elvis but I was really too young to watch his career as it unfolded. Michael was amazing, had everyone's attention, even the people that would make fun of him. It seemed like that album would just not stop selling, every week there was some new milestone. Moreoever, for those younger fans who weren't there, at that time, Michael's image was perfect, nothing that wierd, the llamas and the snakes are about as wierd as it got but nobody thought much of those things at the time. He was just so cool and mysterious. It was like watching Elvis' early interviews where he knew exactly what he was doing and what he meant. what came later would taint how the people who were there saw him, so you younger fans will never know what it was really like to watch the prime of MJ as it happened.

No it wasn't.

It would take 10 Princes to equal one Michael.

homesquid said:

No it wasn't.

It would take 10 Princes to equal one Michael.

What? I'm sorry, but Prince easily could've beat MJ in some things.

ThatWhiteDude said:

homesquid said:

No it wasn't.

It would take 10 Princes to equal one Michael.

What? I'm sorry, but Prince easily could've beat MJ in some things.

In some things Yes. But pure entertainment? That choice of who would you liked to see doing their thang? Nobody matched Michael. I grew up preferring Prince (OMG 1987-1995 I was insanely obsessed) buy as I got older I appreciated Michael's insane greatness more. It wasn't until he was gone that it really sank in.

homesquid said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

What? I'm sorry, but Prince easily could've beat MJ in some things.

In some things Yes. But pure entertainment? That choice of who would you liked to see doing their thang? Nobody matched Michael. I grew up preferring Prince (OMG 1987-1995 I was insanely obsessed) buy as I got older I appreciated Michael's insane greatness more. It wasn't until he was gone that it really sank in.

MJ always did the same. Prince never gave the same concerts. You could've gone to the Bad Tour and that's it. Nothing new cam after that.

ThatWhiteDude said:

homesquid said:

In some things Yes. But pure entertainment? That choice of who would you liked to see doing their thang? Nobody matched Michael. I grew up preferring Prince (OMG 1987-1995 I was insanely obsessed) buy as I got older I appreciated Michael's insane greatness more. It wasn't until he was gone that it really sank in.

MJ always did the same. Prince never gave the same concerts. You could've gone to the Bad Tour and that's it. Nothing new cam after that.

Seeing Prince with his hip hop desparation in 1993 was the biggest disapointment I ever felt about a concert. Prince is great no doubt, But Prince just copped MJ, Hendrix, James Brown, Sly Stone and rolled into one persona. The only breakthrough thing he ever did was 'If I Was Your Girlfiend". That was ahead of it's time. That's what made Prince genius. Yeah the MJ vs Prince thing is pintless (and possibly a little racist) but we do it, don't we?

homesquid said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

MJ always did the same. Prince never gave the same concerts. You could've gone to the Bad Tour and that's it. Nothing new cam after that.

Seeing Prince with his hip hop desparation in 1993 was the biggest disapointment I ever felt about a concert. Prince is great no doubt, But Prince just copped MJ, Hendrix, James Brown, Sly Stone and rolled into one persona. The only breakthrough thing he ever did was 'If I Was Your Girlfiend". That was ahead of it's time. That's what made Prince genius. Yeah the MJ vs Prince thing is pintless (and possibly a little racist) but we do it, don't we?

And what made MJ a genius? He copped people too! And btw, If I was your girlfriend was not the only thing that made Prince a genius. That Man played 27 Instruments, wrote and produced his and other people's songs. So no. IIWYG is not the only thing that made him a genius! Don't ever say that again because it's not true.

ThatWhiteDude said:

homesquid said:

Seeing Prince with his hip hop desparation in 1993 was the biggest disapointment I ever felt about a concert. Prince is great no doubt, But Prince just copped MJ, Hendrix, James Brown, Sly Stone and rolled into one persona. The only breakthrough thing he ever did was 'If I Was Your Girlfiend". That was ahead of it's time. That's what made Prince genius. Yeah the MJ vs Prince thing is pintless (and possibly a little racist) but we do it, don't we?

And what made MJ a genius? He copped people too! And btw, If I was your girlfriend was not the only thing that made Prince a genius. That Man played 27 Instruments, wrote and produced his and other people's songs. So no. IIWYG is not the only thing that made him a genius! Don't ever say that again because it's not true.

Tons of people self produce their music. Prince produced more mediocre music than significant music, Please name what 27 instruments Prince played. You can rule out horns. 27? Name them.

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homesquid said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

And what made MJ a genius? He copped people too! And btw, If I was your girlfriend was not the only thing that made Prince a genius. That Man played 27 Instruments, wrote and produced his and other people's songs. So no. IIWYG is not the only thing that made him a genius! Don't ever say that again because it's not true.

Tons of people self produce their music. Prince produced more mediocre music than significant music, Please name what 27 instruments Prince played. You can rule out horns. 27? Name them.

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1. Vocals

2. Background vocals

3. Guitars

4. Orr Bass

5. Ms. Poly Moog (Is that a synthesiser or a female character from a Lithuanian kids show )

6. Syndrums

7. Arp Pro Soloist

8. Arp String Ensemble

9. Synthesizer bass

10. Singing bass (!!!!)

11. Drums

12. Clavinet

13. Oberheim 4 voice

14. Arp Soloist (Standard Arp?)

15. Handclapsandfingasnaps.

16. Slapsticks (?)

17. Fingacymbals

18. Wind chimes

19. Congas

20. Electric guitars (Not sure you can play more than one at a time )

21. Water drums

22. Bongos

23. Fender Rhodes Piano

24. Mini moog

25. Fuzz bazz

26. Acoustic Piano

27. Orchestra Bells

28. Wood blocks

29. Guitar solo

30. Brush trap

31. Tree bell

32. Acoustic guitar

33. Bass Solo

JUST TO EDIT: Thriller wasn't put on the second place when it came to the best Albums of the 80s, but PR did. Sign O the Times is better than Thriller, Christal Ball, Parade etc.

Now breaking them down into groups we have

.

1. Vocals (2)

2. Synthesisers and Keyboards (9)

3. Bass instruments (5)

4. Guitars (4)

5. Drums and Drum machines (3)

6. Percussional Instruments (10) includes 3 wtf instruments (Tree bells, wind chimes and Wood blocks and 1 I don't consider an instrument - hand claps and finga snaps.

What's listed here is for the Album For You

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ThatWhiteDude said:

done with your edits? More than half those I can play myself and many of them are basically the same bloody thing if you break it down. Prince created his own myth and people went along with it. It's just hype. He didn't invent anything. He just excelled at what others created before him. Take away MJ and Hendrix and there's no Prince.

homesquid said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

done with your edits? More than half those I can play myself and many of them are basically the same bloody thing if you break it down. Prince created his own myth and people went along with it. It's just hype. He didn't invent anything. He just excelled at what others created before him. Take away MJ and Hendrix and there's no Prince.

Okay, stop. You are saying that MJ inspired Prince? That's bullshit and you're putting Prince down to make MJ look even bigger. The fact stays, Prince could play multible instruments! YOU CAN'T TAKE IT AWAY FROM HIM. And MJ didn't invent anything new too. Take away Sinatra, JB and there would be no MJ either!!! So stop with that bullshit. You are obviously a MJ dick rider.

ThatWhiteDude said:

Okay, stop. You are saying that MJ inspired Prince? That's bullshit and you're putting Prince down to make MJ look even bigger.

Yes. He did inspire Prince. Prince went and saw the Jackson 5, when he was still a kid and Michael, at the same age, was already up on stage performing. But I see, just another threatened little Prince fan.

PatrickS77 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Okay, stop. You are saying that MJ inspired Prince? That's bullshit and you're putting Prince down to make MJ look even bigger.

Yes. He did inspire Prince. Prince went and saw the Jackson 5, when he was still a kid and Michael, at the same age, was already up on stage performing. But I see, just another threatened little Prince fan.

We're on a Forum, dedicated to Prince. Not MJ. What do you expect? And I'm not treated but the other user puts Prince down. MJ was more popular but he wasn't a great musician. Prince topped him easily. But you threatened little MJ fans can't even give him that credit.

Prince was inspired by the jackson 5 not by MJ in particular.

ThatWhiteDude said:

homesquid said:

done with your edits? More than half those I can play myself and many of them are basically the same bloody thing if you break it down. Prince created his own myth and people went along with it. It's just hype. He didn't invent anything. He just excelled at what others created before him. Take away MJ and Hendrix and there's no Prince.

Okay, stop. You are saying that MJ inspired Prince? That's bullshit and you're putting Prince down to make MJ look even bigger. The fact stays, Prince could play multible instruments! YOU CAN'T TAKE IT AWAY FROM HIM. And MJ didn't invent anything new too. Take away Sinatra, JB and there would be no MJ either!!! So stop with that bullshit. You are obviously a MJ dick rider.

Dude from age 16 to about age 29 (1999) I rode Prince's dick. After that I became a casual fan. It's all subjective. For whatever reason MJ thrills me more these days. No one reached the heights he did with Thriller. It was crazy. As you can tell I'm a Marvin Gaye man anyway

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homesquid said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Okay, stop. You are saying that MJ inspired Prince? That's bullshit and you're putting Prince down to make MJ look even bigger. The fact stays, Prince could play multible instruments! YOU CAN'T TAKE IT AWAY FROM HIM. And MJ didn't invent anything new too. Take away Sinatra, JB and there would be no MJ either!!! So stop with that bullshit. You are obviously a MJ dick rider.

Dude from age 16 to about age 29 (1999) I rode Prince's dick. After that I became a casual fan. It's all subjective. For whatever reason MJ thrills me more these days. No one reached the heights he did with Thriller. It was crazy.

You are praising MJ's heights (Wich is okay) but you also put Prince's genius down by stating that IIWYG was the thing that was his genius, when it was so much more. Prince was a fullblood musician MJ was a fullblood dancer/performer

ThatWhiteDude said:

homesquid said:

Dude from age 16 to about age 29 (1999) I rode Prince's dick. After that I became a casual fan. It's all subjective. For whatever reason MJ thrills me more these days. No one reached the heights he did with Thriller. It was crazy.

You are praising MJ's heights (Wich is okay) but you also put Prince's genius down by stating that IIWYG was the thing that was his genius, when it was so much more. Prince was a fullblood musician MJ was a fullblood dancer/performer

Fair enough. But is one greater than the other? I often hear that Prince was the better musician. Perhaps when it comes to playing but not necessarily songwriting.

ThatWhiteDude said:

And I'm not threatened but the other user puts Prince down.

Aren't you the person who made a entire thread about Mike fans comments on Youtube videos? If you're not threatened, why comment at all? I don't participate in who's better than someone else, because there's no such thing as "best" or "real music by real musicians". My mother would not count neither Mike or Prince as "best" because she does not listen to them. My younger relatives would probably consider Rihanna, Lil Wayne, Eminem, or Beyoncé better because that's the music of their generation. You probably haven't come accross the Beyhive. Yall sound like guys in my family who are sports fans arguing over which basketball & football team is best. At least with that there's a score to factor in. It's music, not a competition. Sure there's things like a Billboard & Cashbox that ranks what is selling the most for a particular week. But it's not a race in which the fastest runner comes in first so there's a winner.

homesquid said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

You are praising MJ's heights (Wich is okay) but you also put Prince's genius down by stating that IIWYG was the thing that was his genius, when it was so much more. Prince was a fullblood musician MJ was a fullblood dancer/performer

Fair enough. But is one greater than the other? I often hear that Prince was the better musician. Perhaps when it comes to playing but not necessarily songwriting.

I'm a fan of both, I was a MJ Fan before I knew who Prince was. Both had their greatness for sure. No one will reach them, ever. They stand alone, each for their own.

PeteSilas said:

homesquid said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

homesquid said:

Tons of people self produce their music. Prince produced more mediocre music than significant music, Please name what 27 instruments Prince played. You can rule out horns. 27? Name them.

[Edited 11/19/17 17:30pm]

1. Vocals

2. Background vocals

3. Guitars

4. Orr Bass

5. Ms. Poly Moog (Is that a synthesiser or a female character from a Lithuanian kids show )

6. Syndrums

7. Arp Pro Soloist

8. Arp String Ensemble

9. Synthesizer bass

10. Singing bass (!!!!)

11. Drums

12. Clavinet

13. Oberheim 4 voice

14. Arp Soloist (Standard Arp?)

15. Handclapsandfingasnaps.

16. Slapsticks (?)

17. Fingacymbals

18. Wind chimes

19. Congas

20. Electric guitars (Not sure you can play more than one at a time )

21. Water drums

22. Bongos

23. Fender Rhodes Piano

24. Mini moog

25. Fuzz bazz

26. Acoustic Piano

27. Orchestra Bells

28. Wood blocks

29. Guitar solo

30. Brush trap

31. Tree bell

32. Acoustic guitar

33. Bass Solo

JUST TO EDIT: Thriller wasn't put on the second place when it came to the best Albums of the 80s, but PR did. Sign O the Times is better than Thriller, Christal Ball, Parade etc.

Now breaking them down into groups we have

.

1. Vocals (2)

2. Synthesisers and Keyboards (9)

3. Bass instruments (5)

4. Guitars (4)

5. Drums and Drum machines (3)

6. Percussional Instruments (10) includes 3 wtf instruments (Tree bells, wind chimes and Wood blocks and 1 I don't consider an instrument - hand claps and finga snaps.

What's listed here is for the Album For You

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[Edited 11/19/17 17:39pm]

[Edited 11/19/17 17:44pm]

So Keyboards/piano/, guitar, bass, and drums/percussion, basically....

Mike and Prince were both great. There's no need to big one up to bash the other. This place still does that shit after all these years (Not directed at you TheWhiteDude, just speaking in general)

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PeteSilas said:

SoulAlive said:

Michaelmania in 1983/84 was outrageous....unlike anything I had ever seen! It was alot of fun

it was a great time as a young music fan, so exciting. I love elvis but I was really too young to watch his career as it unfolded. Michael was amazing, had everyone's attention, even the people that would make fun of him. It seemed like that album would just not stop selling, every week there was some new milestone. Moreoever, for those younger fans who weren't there, at that time, Michael's image was perfect, nothing that wierd, the llamas and the snakes are about as wierd as it got but nobody thought much of those things at the time. He was just so cool and mysterious. It was like watching Elvis' early interviews where he knew exactly what he was doing and what he meant. what came later would taint how the people who were there saw him, so you younger fans will never know what it was really like to watch the prime of MJ as it happened.

Reading old articles (since I wasn't born until a few years after), it gives you the impression that even the press knew something big was happening. Billboard talking about how radio stations were playing Billie Jean and Beat It before they were singles (listeners were surprised that Beat It was from Michael)

Off The Wall debuted in the mid 40s on the Billboard 200 and reached #3 and was #1 on the R&B chart for 16 weeks. That album was huge. When Thriller was released, if I remember correctly from Billboard's article, only one R&B album went platinum in 1982 (The Gap Band's IV album)

Thriller debuted at #11, not to mention he had 2 singles in the top 5 at the time (The Girl Is Mine and Diana's "Muscles"). By February, it was #1 and this was before MTV played the videos (The week he hit #1, he was the only black artist in the top 10) He was the first artist to be #1 in the US and UK at the same time.

By November, the album sold over 12 million in the US....Then Thriller hit Showtime, MTV, and Friday Night Videos. By October '84, it was at 20 million in the US and 33 million worldwide.

The man was IT.

Wow, guys, I wasn't expecting 5 pages of replies! Especially since the OP wasn't even my own original question (I found this question on a discussion board years ago and it just popped into my head recently).

But yeah, Michael Jackson was THE star of the 1980s. It must have been amazing knowing his Thriller album reached a new milestone each week.

SoftSkarlettLovisa said:

Wow, guys, I wasn't expecting 5 pages of replies! Especially since the OP wasn't even my own original question (I found this question on a discussion board years ago and it just popped into my head recently).

But yeah, Michael Jackson was THE star of the 1980s. It must have been amazing knowing his Thriller album reached a new milestone each week.

By the time I was a kid, he was arguably THE biggest star in the world. Yeah there were the albums, concerts, and videos....

but there was a Michael Jackson perfume.

a Michael Jackson candy bar

a Michael Jackson shoe line and toy line

A MICHAEL JACKSON VIDEO GAME

He was the man

bboy87 said:

SoftSkarlettLovisa said:

Wow, guys, I wasn't expecting 5 pages of replies! Especially since the OP wasn't even my own original question (I found this question on a discussion board years ago and it just popped into my head recently).

But yeah, Michael Jackson was THE star of the 1980s. It must have been amazing knowing his Thriller album reached a new milestone each week.

By the time I was a kid, he was arguably THE biggest star in the world. Yeah there were the albums, concerts, and videos....

but there was a Michael Jackson perfume.

a Michael Jackson candy bar

a Michael Jackson shoe line and toy line

A MICHAEL JACKSON VIDEO GAME

He was the man

So for those who were alive in the early-mid 1980s... would you compare Michael's Thriller fame with, say, Justin Bieber circa 2010? Or Backstreet Boy mania of the 1990s? Or it was even bigger than that?

SoftSkarlettLovisa said:

bboy87 said:

By the time I was a kid, he was arguably THE biggest star in the world. Yeah there were the albums, concerts, and videos....

but there was a Michael Jackson perfume.

a Michael Jackson candy bar

a Michael Jackson shoe line and toy line

A MICHAEL JACKSON VIDEO GAME

He was the man

So for those who were alive in the early-mid 1980s... would you compare Michael's Thriller fame with, say, Justin Bieber circa 2010? Or Backstreet Boy mania of the 1990s? Or it was even bigger than that?

I was born in '87 and even in the 90s, he was on another level. I don't think you can compare Bieber or the boy band craze of the 90s-00s to what Michael, Madonna, Prince had in the 80s and 90s. To be honest, I think those three were the last of the "Megastar". I don't feel Adele, Beyonce, Bieber, and others can equate to how big they were.

It's one thing to have millions of your fans' attention. It's another when you have the world's attention.

Michael had videos premiering on prime time television. He sold Wembley stadium 7 times on the Bad tour and ticket demand was so great, he could've done more. He was meeting presidents. Royalty. I think the only comparison that can be drawn is to The Beatles.

With the way the music industry and how divided attention is in the world today. We won't see phenoms like those 3 again

homesquid said: