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Reply #30 posted 10/12/17 11:00am

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Also sweatpants really Eminem?

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Reply #31 posted 10/12/17 12:19pm

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StrangeButTrue said:

paisleypark4 said:

Neversin said: Beyond your I don't like Eminem rant... SBT initially did not pose a question and assumed this was a "pre written freestyle" of which it is not.

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Not only did Eminem perform in a pre-recorded segment on his own with no beats, he performed as a solo "cypher" (By definition: Freestyling (defined above as a form of improvisation) is often done in a group setting called a "cypher" (or "cipher") or as part of a "freestyle battle". Due to the improvised nature of freestyle, meter and rhythm are usually more relaxed than in conventional rapping.)

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He provided the illusion of an improvised freestyle cypher via a pre-recorded, edited performance. Some of the rhymes were nice but I have to wonder how a live audience would have responded and I have to wonder if he could have pulled something like that off live vs. in a parking garage with a director, videographer editing team, etc.


It was pre-reconded, it wasnn't a cypher, and it doesn't appear that the rhyme was a freestyle. Presuming the truth of those points, they are academic.

As to how the segment would have gone off live with the production team on site, since the segment was pre-recorded and still got on air, I assume the content would not have changed.

As to how a live audience at the BET Hip-Hop awards would have responded to one of rap's biggest stars flaming President Donald Trump, I'm going to go with . . . positively. Call it a hunch.


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Reply #32 posted 10/12/17 12:33pm

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StrangeButTrue said:

paisleypark4 said:

Neversin said: Beyond your I don't like Eminem rant... SBT initially did not pose a question and assumed this was a "pre written freestyle" of which it is not.

.

https://noisey.vice.com/en_us/article/d3ybbz/lets-all-settle-down-about-eminems-bet-hip-hop-awards-cypher

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Not only did Eminem perform in a pre-recorded segment on his own with no beats, he performed as a solo "cypher" (By definition: Freestyling (defined above as a form of improvisation) is often done in a group setting called a "cypher" (or "cipher") or as part of a "freestyle battle". Due to the improvised nature of freestyle, meter and rhythm are usually more relaxed than in conventional rapping.)

.

He provided the illusion of an improvised freestyle cypher via a pre-recorded, edited performance. Some of the rhymes were nice but I have to wonder how a live audience would have responded and I have to wonder if he could have pulled something like that off live vs. in a parking garage with a director, videographer editing team, etc.



Freestyle Cypher done before. Live audience or none, this shit is raw and unapologetic...and got you all talking.

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Reply #33 posted 10/12/17 12:40pm

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tump said:

I laugh at any popular artist ( that's 99.999% of them ) that talk about any political puppets ( of any side ). As if these political puppets are the real powers. As if they have the power to do what they want, especially if their handlers don't approve.

We will continue to see escalating wars and State-Sponsored terror simply because it is profitable to bleed the Slaves dry, just like it has always been over these years under crook Obama, crook Clinton, crook Bushes. Nothing changes.

Trump is a mere figurehead of the banks and military interests ( primarily ) that really run the show. As were all who came before. The 2 main parties are there to give the illusion of choice. 2 heads of the same beast. It doesn't matter who is 'elected'. They're all selected for you. Bought and paid for.

The banks and military interests always win while the slaves fight their wars. And the debt piles up for current and future generations to pay. http://www.usdebtclock.org/

A handful of corporations and politicians profit tremendously on your taxes. And your private info.

It's socially acceptable to bash Trump, but it wasn't for Obama, among the 'liberal' airheads. Can anyone tell me why, after all the atrocities under his watch? Not that any of this waste of air matters. The puppets do the work of the corporations that put them there. Always has been and always will be.

You're far better off starting to learn about the Federal Reserve...which isn't federal nor is it a reserve. It is controlled by a group of private banks...and they print your money. Similar situation worldwide.

Learn about the real powers who the puppet politicians answer to. The political puppets are as meaningless as the celebrities who support or bash them. Merely packaging.


Well said! clapping

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
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Reply #34 posted 10/12/17 2:55pm

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dancerella said:

That freestyle is the most intense music moment I've ever seen or heard. Good Lord. I got chills. It's also the first time I've time I've seen someone really go in on Trump and not mince words or tip toe around him. It was blatant,brutal and extremely passionate. Wow! Very risky as well. He will recieve a serious backlash for this as well as having the Fed's on his back. Phew! Respect to Em!

Going at Trump is the safest, most socially-acceptable team sport choice a celebrity could make. How many millions of innocents have died under Obama's watch in these perpetual wars for drug profits and resource thefts, all so a handful can profit tremendously? How many nations were bombed? How many innocents died and had their lives destroyed? How much protest did we see about it? I can easily pick a hundred celebrities - without too much effort - who proudly supported Obama despite all the atrocities and despite all the evidence. This is the world we live in. Only superficialities matter.

What about Obamacare, written by and on behalf of the pharmaceutical industry, in order to rake in more profits? What about that Nobel Peace Prize Obama received? To say nothing of his 10 main sponsors who put him in your face to begin with. Do you know what they represent? They represent exactly what you got.

So we have the same countless lies, ballooning debt and the world seeing the beginnings if world war 3. I'd be truly impressed if Eminem came out against Obama years ago, who has priven to be just another slave of the bankmasters by even the most half-asleep observer...and who Wall St continues to employ to rape the masses...but I guess it was too risky for any artist to protest at the new puppet then; that sort of thing was reserved for Bush, yet in the end he out-bushed Bush. New packaging goes a long way. As long as the image of change is right....as long as the packaging is different, the masses have been proven to be extremely easy to manipulate...despite all the same lies and atrocities and war profiteering going on daily. Trump is just another puppet of the same rotten system.

Guess what happens to puppets who think they are leaders and fancy themselves having some autonomy? They die in unfortunate 'accidents', at the hands of those who put them there. Anyone holding the top puppet job does the work of those who put them there. That has and will never change. Only the packaging changes.

Celebrities only care about the superficial puppets as usual...and are clueless about who the real powers are pulling the puppet's strings. That is, their sponsors. With few exceptions, like the brilliant Professor Griff.

In summary, Eminem is making the safest, socially-acceptable protest any artist who fancies themselves a dissident could make. It gives him a 'popular' cause to 'fight' for and would please most fans who are essentially powerless and voiceless. And at the end of the day it's a meaningless waste of air until the masses follow the money and understand who really runs the world and understands how they are being raped daily, on multiple levels.

No, the feds will not be coming after Eminem. He chose the safest, most popular & most meaningless dissident sport any celebrity could choose. And he chose it way late. The masses must be kept distracted and divided, never knowing they have a common enemy and those enemies aren't the puppets who you waste your time flapping your jaws about. Nor are they of the (CIA asset) ISIS / Al Qaeda persuasion,which were just designed to keep us in perpetual war so the looting, pillaging murderous atrocities (and profits) never stop.

[Edited 10/12/17 15:07pm]

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Reply #35 posted 10/12/17 3:42pm

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Marshall didn't serve Trump in that freestyle.

He fucking obliterated him!



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Reply #36 posted 10/12/17 3:43pm

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Yes, it was really good.

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Reply #37 posted 10/12/17 3:44pm

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I'm not an Em fan but I applaud him for this. The only other rapper that has had the balls so far to


give Orange Foolius a big FU is Snoop.



yeah I applaud him,too.Trump is ruining our country and more people need to speak up about it.

..
[Edited 10/12/17 16:11pm]
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Reply #38 posted 10/12/17 4:55pm

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tump said:

dancerella said:

That freestyle is the most intense music moment I've ever seen or heard. Good Lord. I got chills. It's also the first time I've time I've seen someone really go in on Trump and not mince words or tip toe around him. It was blatant,brutal and extremely passionate. Wow! Very risky as well. He will recieve a serious backlash for this as well as having the Fed's on his back. Phew! Respect to Em!

Going at Trump is the safest, most socially-acceptable team sport choice a celebrity could make. How many millions of innocents have died under Obama's watch in these perpetual wars for drug profits and resource thefts, all so a handful can profit tremendously? How many nations were bombed? How many innocents died and had their lives destroyed? How much protest did we see about it? I can easily pick a hundred celebrities - without too much effort - who proudly supported Obama despite all the atrocities and despite all the evidence. This is the world we live in. Only superficialities matter.

What about Obamacare, written by and on behalf of the pharmaceutical industry, in order to rake in more profits? What about that Nobel Peace Prize Obama received? To say nothing of his 10 main sponsors who put him in your face to begin with. Do you know what they represent? They represent exactly what you got.

So we have the same countless lies, ballooning debt and the world seeing the beginnings if world war 3. I'd be truly impressed if Eminem came out against Obama years ago, who has priven to be just another slave of the bankmasters by even the most half-asleep observer...and who Wall St continues to employ to rape the masses...but I guess it was too risky for any artist to protest at the new puppet then; that sort of thing was reserved for Bush, yet in the end he out-bushed Bush. New packaging gies a long way. As long as the image of change is right....as long as the packaging is different, the masses have been proven to be extremely easy to manipulate...despite all the same lies and atrocities and war profiteering going on daily.

Guess what happens to puppets who think they are leaders and fancy themselves having some autonomy? They die in unfortunate 'accidents', at the hands of those who put them there. Anyone holding the top puppet job does the work of those who put them there. That has and will never change. Only the packaging changes.

Celebrities only care about the superficial puppets as usual...and are clueless about who the real powers are pulling the puppet's strings. That is, their sponsors. With few exceptions, like the brilliant Professor Griff.

In summary, Eminem is making the safest, socially-acceptable protest any artist who fancies themselves a dissident could make. It gives him a 'popular' cause to 'fight' for and would please most fans who are essentially powerless and voiceless. And at the end of the day it's a meaningless waste of air until the masses follow the money and understand who really runs the world and understands how they are being raped daily, on multiple levels.

No, the feds will not be coming after Eminen. He chose the safest, most meaningless dissident sport any celebrity could choose. And he chose it way late. The masses must be kept distracted and divided, never knowing they have a common enemy and those enemies aren't the puppets who you waste your time flapping your jaws about.

Sadly i have to agree with you, what about Obama, he is not that innocent as people try to make him up to be. He just seems to be a nice guy unlike Trump who has not bussiness in being nice or likeable.

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Reply #39 posted 10/12/17 4:56pm

tump

SoulAlive said:

phunkdaddy said:

I'm not an Em fan but I applaud him for this. The only other rapper that has had the balls so far to

give Orange Foolius a big FU is Snoop.

yeah I applaud him,too.Trump is ruining our country and more people need to speak up about it. .. [Edited 10/12/17 16:11pm]

Just about every popular celebrity has partaken in the Trump-bashing sport. The result is...?

Trump is carrying out the objectives of his sponsors and advisory team. As did Obama. Guess what their interests are? Obama got a lovely free pass for being the same scum in more palatable packaging. If he represented The People, he'd be dead now. He doesn't and isn't.

Celebrities only react to packaging, not anything deeper. In this case the packaging is more authoritarian and outrageous than they are comfortable with. Yet the power remains the same.

This is more self-serving popular dissent by a celebrity than it is protest. It strokes the ego and encourages fan loyalty...all-the-while directing energies in the most meaningless direction.

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Reply #40 posted 10/12/17 6:03pm

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tump said:

SoulAlive said:

phunkdaddy said: yeah I applaud him,too.Trump is ruining our country and more people need to speak up about it. .. [Edited 10/12/17 16:11pm]

Just about every popular celebrity has partaken in the Trump-bashing sport. The result is...?

Trump is carrying out the objectives of his sponsors and advisory team. As did Obama. Guess what their interests are? Obama got a lovely free pass for being the same scum in more palatable packaging. If he represented The People, he'd be dead now. He doesn't and isn't.

Celebrities only react to packaging, not anything deeper. In this case the packaging is more authoritarian and outrageous than they are comfortable with. Yet the power remains the same.

This is more self-serving popular dissent by a celebrity than it is protest. It strokes the ego and encourages fan loyalty...all-the-while directing energies in the most meaningless direction.

Sadly it seems the truth.

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Reply #41 posted 10/13/17 4:11am

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Slim Shady is definitely a Rap King...he was out of breath and still freestyling..

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Reply #42 posted 10/13/17 5:01am

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paisleypark4 said:

StrangeButTrue said:

.

https://noisey.vice.com/en_us/article/d3ybbz/lets-all-settle-down-about-eminems-bet-hip-hop-awards-cypher

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Not only did Eminem perform in a pre-recorded segment on his own with no beats, he performed as a solo "cypher" (By definition: Freestyling (defined above as a form of improvisation) is often done in a group setting called a "cypher" (or "cipher") or as part of a "freestyle battle". Due to the improvised nature of freestyle, meter and rhythm are usually more relaxed than in conventional rapping.)

.

He provided the illusion of an improvised freestyle cypher via a pre-recorded, edited performance. Some of the rhymes were nice but I have to wonder how a live audience would have responded and I have to wonder if he could have pulled something like that off live vs. in a parking garage with a director, videographer editing team, etc.



Freestyle Cypher done before. Live audience or none, this shit is raw and unapologetic...and got you all talking.

Fucking hell... That wasn't even ONE take...
Multiple takes of a "Freestyle"... Hilarious...

Neversin.

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Reply #43 posted 10/13/17 5:37am

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Didn't this come out last year? Or is this another one?
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Reply #44 posted 10/13/17 6:30am

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MotownSubdivision said:

Didn't this come out last year? Or is this another one?

This is a new one but yes he did it similarly

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Reply #45 posted 10/13/17 8:28am

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Neversin said:

paisleypark4 said:



Freestyle Cypher done before. Live audience or none, this shit is raw and unapologetic...and got you all talking.

Fucking hell... That wasn't even ONE take...
Multiple takes of a "Freestyle"... Hilarious...

Neversin.

.

But he's at a circus or carousel... and he is waiving his hands around. Brilliance. Masterpeece.

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Reply #46 posted 10/13/17 9:34am

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I love this! Can't tell you how much I love this!!!!

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Reply #47 posted 10/13/17 9:44am

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tump said:

dancerella said:

That freestyle is the most intense music moment I've ever seen or heard. Good Lord. I got chills. It's also the first time I've time I've seen someone really go in on Trump and not mince words or tip toe around him. It was blatant,brutal and extremely passionate. Wow! Very risky as well. He will recieve a serious backlash for this as well as having the Fed's on his back. Phew! Respect to Em!

Going at Trump is the safest, most socially-acceptable team sport choice a celebrity could make. How many millions of innocents have died under Obama's watch in these perpetual wars for drug profits and resource thefts, all so a handful can profit tremendously? How many nations were bombed? How many innocents died and had their lives destroyed? How much protest did we see about it? I can easily pick a hundred celebrities - without too much effort - who proudly supported Obama despite all the atrocities and despite all the evidence. This is the world we live in. Only superficialities matter.

What about Obamacare, written by and on behalf of the pharmaceutical industry, in order to rake in more profits? What about that Nobel Peace Prize Obama received? To say nothing of his 10 main sponsors who put him in your face to begin with. Do you know what they represent? They represent exactly what you got.

So we have the same countless lies, ballooning debt and the world seeing the beginnings if world war 3. I'd be truly impressed if Eminem came out against Obama years ago, who has priven to be just another slave of the bankmasters by even the most half-asleep observer...and who Wall St continues to employ to rape the masses...but I guess it was too risky for any artist to protest at the new puppet then; that sort of thing was reserved for Bush, yet in the end he out-bushed Bush. New packaging goes a long way. As long as the image of change is right....as long as the packaging is different, the masses have been proven to be extremely easy to manipulate...despite all the same lies and atrocities and war profiteering going on daily. Trump is just another puppet of the same rotten system.

Guess what happens to puppets who think they are leaders and fancy themselves having some autonomy? They die in unfortunate 'accidents', at the hands of those who put them there. Anyone holding the top puppet job does the work of those who put them there. That has and will never change. Only the packaging changes.

Celebrities only care about the superficial puppets as usual...and are clueless about who the real powers are pulling the puppet's strings. That is, their sponsors. With few exceptions, like the brilliant Professor Griff.

In summary, Eminem is making the safest, socially-acceptable protest any artist who fancies themselves a dissident could make. It gives him a 'popular' cause to 'fight' for and would please most fans who are essentially powerless and voiceless. And at the end of the day it's a meaningless waste of air until the masses follow the money and understand who really runs the world and understands how they are being raped daily, on multiple levels.

No, the feds will not be coming after Eminem. He chose the safest, most popular & most meaningless dissident sport any celebrity could choose. And he chose it way late. The masses must be kept distracted and divided, never knowing they have a common enemy and those enemies aren't the puppets who you waste your time flapping your jaws about. Nor are they of the (CIA asset) ISIS / Al Qaeda persuasion,which were just designed to keep us in perpetual war so the looting, pillaging murderous atrocities (and profits) never stop.

[Edited 10/12/17 15:07pm]


Eminem made a diss track that sparked a visceral sense of satisfaction among Trump critics. And that Trump probably loved himself, for different reasons.

Eminem is not an agent of change of conditions that have evisted for well over a millenia. What you speak of is the history of Western civilization, in a nutshell. It ain't new to America, and it ain't new to the world.

The people who love this track know that; Trump knows it too.

It's just another example of a musical artist striking a chord with audiences.

Take it for what it is.

Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016

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Reply #48 posted 10/13/17 12:28pm

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Didn't this come out last year? Or is this another one?


Totally new because he's referencing stuff in the news from days or hours prior.

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Reply #49 posted 10/15/17 6:55am

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tump said:



SoulAlive said:


phunkdaddy said:

I'm not an Em fan but I applaud him for this. The only other rapper that has had the balls so far to


give Orange Foolius a big FU is Snoop.



yeah I applaud him,too.Trump is ruining our country and more people need to speak up about it. .. [Edited 10/12/17 16:11pm]

Just about every popular celebrity has partaken in the Trump-bashing sport. The result is...?



Trump is carrying out the objectives of his sponsors and advisory team. As did Obama. Guess what their interests are? Obama got a lovely free pass for being the same scum in more palatable packaging. If he represented The People, he'd be dead now. He doesn't and isn't.



Celebrities only react to packaging, not anything deeper. In this case the packaging is more authoritarian and outrageous than they are comfortable with. Yet the power remains the same.



This is more self-serving popular dissent by a celebrity than it is protest. It strokes the ego and encourages fan loyalty...all-the-while directing energies in the most meaningless direction.



Oh you mean like Donald Trump always have and even more so now he's impersonating as POTUS. Stirring the pot of his idiot followers. Trump is purposely dividing the country while his idiot followers blame Obama instead of placing the blame where it truly belong themselves.
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Reply #50 posted 10/15/17 2:03pm

SoulAlive

phunkdaddy said:

tump said:

Just about every popular celebrity has partaken in the Trump-bashing sport. The result is...?

Trump is carrying out the objectives of his sponsors and advisory team. As did Obama. Guess what their interests are? Obama got a lovely free pass for being the same scum in more palatable packaging. If he represented The People, he'd be dead now. He doesn't and isn't.

Celebrities only react to packaging, not anything deeper. In this case the packaging is more authoritarian and outrageous than they are comfortable with. Yet the power remains the same.

This is more self-serving popular dissent by a celebrity than it is protest. It strokes the ego and encourages fan loyalty...all-the-while directing energies in the most meaningless direction.

Oh you mean like Donald Trump always have and even more so now he's impersonating as POTUS. Stirring the pot of his idiot followers. Trump is purposely dividing the country while his idiot followers blame Obama instead of placing the blame where it truly belongs: themselves.

Exactly clapping Trump is the worst thing that's ever happened to this country.Eminem is speaking the truth.

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Reply #51 posted 10/16/17 7:30am

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phunkdaddy said:

tump said:

Just about every popular celebrity has partaken in the Trump-bashing sport. The result is...?

Trump is carrying out the objectives of his sponsors and advisory team. As did Obama. Guess what their interests are? Obama got a lovely free pass for being the same scum in more palatable packaging. If he represented The People, he'd be dead now. He doesn't and isn't.

Celebrities only react to packaging, not anything deeper. In this case the packaging is more authoritarian and outrageous than they are comfortable with. Yet the power remains the same.

This is more self-serving popular dissent by a celebrity than it is protest. It strokes the ego and encourages fan loyalty...all-the-while directing energies in the most meaningless direction.

Oh you mean like Donald Trump always have and even more so now he's impersonating as POTUS. Stirring the pot of his idiot followers. Trump is purposely dividing the country while his idiot followers blame Obama instead of placing the blame where it truly belong themselves.

.

Same thing, same effect. A quick little distraction and back to business as usual.

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