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Reply #30 posted 10/10/17 7:54pm

PennyPurple

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;Here are the most recent standings

Current Standings

155122 Votes

Bon Jovi

113634 Votes

Moody Blues

105465 Votes

Dire Straits

90447 Votes

The Cars

70750 Votes

Eurythmics

59388 Votes

Judas Priest

57018 Votes

Depeche Mode

53692 Votes

J. Geils Band

48512 Votes

The Zombies

38189 Votes

Radiohead

35437 Votes

Nina Simone

31824 Votes

Rage Against the Machine

27585 Votes

Kate Bush

23860 Votes

LL Cool J

17796 Votes

Sister Rosetta Tharpe

16264 Votes

The MC5

15502 Votes

Rufus featuring Chaka Khan

14056 Votes

Link Wray

11424 Votes

The Meters

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Reply #31 posted 10/11/17 9:14am

namepeace

PennyPurple said:

;Here are the most recent standings

Current Standings

155122 Votes

Bon Jovi

113634 Votes

Moody Blues

105465 Votes

Dire Straits

90447 Votes

The Cars

70750 Votes

Eurythmics

59388 Votes

Judas Priest

57018 Votes

Depeche Mode

53692 Votes

J. Geils Band

48512 Votes

The Zombies

38189 Votes

Radiohead

35437 Votes

Nina Simone

31824 Votes

Rage Against the Machine

27585 Votes

Kate Bush

23860 Votes

LL Cool J

17796 Votes

Sister Rosetta Tharpe

16264 Votes

The MC5

15502 Votes

Rufus featuring Chaka Khan

14056 Votes

Link Wray

11424 Votes

The Meters

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Clearly so-called "rock" fans are more active voters. I'm voting for Rufus and Sister Rosetta only.

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Reply #32 posted 10/11/17 9:22am

MickyDolenz

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Clearly so-called "rock" fans are more active voters. I'm voting for Rufus and Sister Rosetta only.

Well it is called Rock n Roll Hall Of Fame and Rolling Stone is primarily a rock magazine. lol So most of the readers are going to be rock fans. How many R&B fans buy or read Rolling Stone or care about a rock hall?

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Reply #33 posted 10/11/17 11:42am

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So does anyone have any idea how much pull the fan vote has had in the past? I wouldn't think Rufus & Chaka would get much of the fan vote. But I didnt think NWA and 2Pac would either. I dont know what their fan numbers were. I would think its safe to say your average rock n' roller wouldn't give a rat's behind about hip-hop and neither would hip-hop heads care about the RRHOF. But those artists are still being inducted.
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Reply #34 posted 10/11/17 12:26pm

MickyDolenz

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So does anyone have any idea how much pull the fan vote has had in the past? I wouldn't think Rufus & Chaka would get much of the fan vote. But I didnt think NWA and 2Pac would either. I dont know what their fan numbers were. I would think its safe to say your average rock n' roller wouldn't give a rat's behind about hip-hop and neither would hip-hop heads care about the RRHOF. But those artists are still being inducted.

Not nessesarily so. How do you think rock bands like Aerosmith & Anthrax came to collaborate with rappers. Public Enemy toured with Anthrax as well. Bob Dylan did a song with Kurtis Blow. The nu-metal genre is metal & rap mixed together. Run DMC was the first rap act to appear on the cover of Rolling Stone and MTV created the show Yo MTV Raps. That's probably because Run DMC had a rock sound unlike the rappers before them which were primarily funk, disco, & electro based. Same with the Beastie Boys. Both of them are inducted. Rolling Stone magazine has been pro-hip hop, but less so for heavy metal and progressive rock, and they are actual rock groups. If you read Rolling Stone for a long amount of time, you can tell who is more likely to be inducted or not. That's why I'm not surprised acts like Chic don't get in. People don't seem to understand that the rock hall was started by the founders of Rolling Stone and it tends to go towards their taste. It's like if Cynthia Horner started a museum based on who was in Right On! magazine. New Edition & Jackson 5 are more likely to be inducted than The Beatles & Bob Dylan.

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Reply #35 posted 10/11/17 12:38pm

MickyDolenz

Once the boomer generation founders start retiring or passing away, then there's going to be more post 1990s and 2000 acts inducted. They're already going in that direction with Green Day, Nirvana, & Tupac. Rufus is a boomer era group, so unless they are inducted while the boomers are still in charge, I don't see it happening.

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Reply #36 posted 10/11/17 1:10pm

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kitbradley said:

So does anyone have any idea how much pull the fan vote has had in the past? I wouldn't think Rufus & Chaka would get much of the fan vote. But I didnt think NWA and 2Pac would either. I dont know what their fan numbers were. I would think its safe to say your average rock n' roller wouldn't give a rat's behind about hip-hop and neither would hip-hop heads care about the RRHOF. But those artists are still being inducted.

Excuse my French, but most people think Rock & Roll is white boys playing loud guitar.
Not goin back to the origins of Rock & Roll of the early 50s

Rock music is totally different from Rock & Roll. Rock & Roll is Hank Ballard and the Midnighters. Rock is the Eagles.
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Reply #37 posted 10/11/17 1:17pm

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Its fuckin' criminal that The Meters are near the bottom of the pile again, samples alone they should be recognized.

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Reply #38 posted 10/11/17 1:37pm

MickyDolenz

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Excuse my French, but most people think Rock & Roll is white boys playing loud guitar. Not goin back to the origins of Rock & Roll of the early 50s Rock music is totally different from Rock & Roll. Rock & Roll is Hank Ballard and the Midnighters. Rock is the Eagles.

What rock meant in the 1950s is irrelevant today. Like the swastika existed long before the Nazis used it, and it meant something else. But what does the average person think when they see one now? There's many rock songs that say "rock n roll" in them, a famous example is the one by KISS. They don't just say "rock". Technically, that early music you're talking about was called race music, then rhythm & blues. It wasn't called rock n roll until Bill Haley, Little Richard, & Elvis Presley came along.

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Reply #39 posted 10/11/17 1:44pm

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Identity said:

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Thu, Oct 5


The nominations for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame's Class of 2018 are in.

Inductees into the 2018 Rock Hall will be voted on by a group of more than 900 artists, historians and music-industry professionals.
Here's the full list of nominees:



Bon Jovi YES

Kate Bush

The Cars YES

Depeche Mode

Dire Straits YES

Eurythmics

J. Geils Band YES

Judas Priest

LL Cool J

MC5

The Meters

Moody Blues YES

Radiohead

Rage Against the Machine

Rufus featuring Chaka Khan

Nina Simone

Sister Rosetta Tharpe

Link Wray YES

The Zombies

Second Funkiest White Man in America

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Reply #40 posted 10/12/17 8:59am

namepeace

MickyDolenz said:

namepeace said:

Clearly so-called "rock" fans are more active voters. I'm voting for Rufus and Sister Rosetta only.

Well it is called Rock n Roll Hall Of Fame and Rolling Stone is primarily a rock magazine. lol So most of the readers are going to be rock fans. How many R&B fans buy or read Rolling Stone or care about a rock hall?


Don't act like you don't know Rock and Roll and rock ain't quite the same thing. And the vote is publicized beyond Rolling Stone. You know both of those things, MD.

Anyway, that wasn't my point, so I'll elaborate.

They care after the fact. Every year, there are complaints about black artists not getting in. You see it on black media sites and social media. But they don't vote beforehand.

It'll happen again this year, that train is never late.

Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016

Props will be withheld until the showing and proving has commenced. -- Aaron McGruder
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Reply #41 posted 10/12/17 9:00am

namepeace

MickyDolenz said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

Excuse my French, but most people think Rock & Roll is white boys playing loud guitar. Not goin back to the origins of Rock & Roll of the early 50s Rock music is totally different from Rock & Roll. Rock & Roll is Hank Ballard and the Midnighters. Rock is the Eagles.

What rock meant in the 1950s is irrelevant today. Like the swastika existed long before the Nazis used it, and it meant something else. But what does the average person think when they see one now? There's many rock songs that say "rock n roll" in them, a famous example is the one by KISS. They don't just say "rock". Technically, that early music you're talking about was called race music, then rhythm & blues. It wasn't called rock n roll until Bill Haley, Little Richard, & Elvis Presley came along.


Then let's just take all of the R&B artists out the rock hall. Is that your point?

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Reply #42 posted 10/12/17 12:18pm

MickyDolenz

namepeace said:

They care after the fact. Every year, there are complaints about black artists not getting in. You see it on black media sites and social media. But they don't vote beforehand.

If they don't care before, then they shouldn't care afterward. That's what I just said. R&B fans in general don't read Rolling Stone. So why would they vote in something they don't pay attention to. Is the vote publicized beforehand on BET, TV One, Vibe, Tom Joyner Morning Show, or Ebony Magazine where the R&B audience is more likely to see or hear about it? If not, then they shouldn't publicize about who wins or not. Simple as that. If it is publicized by Rolling Stone in places the R&B audience are less likely to see, then they won't know about it even if they wanted to vote. Rolling Stone has a bigger audience than Ebony and Essence anyway.

It's called show business for a reason. It’s 90% business and 10% show. If you don’t know your business, you’re in trouble! ~ Johnnie Taylor
Each generation has their music that they fall in love with, that makes it special to them ~ Ralph Tresvant
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Reply #43 posted 10/12/17 5:03pm

SoulAlive

keep voting,everybody!
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Reply #44 posted 10/13/17 4:18am

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I'm surprised the Elite board Members added Bon Jovi to the pot after Jon had words with one of the Rock board members...Good for Bon Jovi and they will be inducted next year...

the only other Guaranteed Inductee is LL Cool J...Everybody wants to celebrate him & his Career...so he's a Lock...

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Reply #45 posted 10/13/17 7:12am

PennyPurple

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Current Standings

201458 Votes

Bon Jovi

149854 Votes

Moody Blues

133580 Votes

Dire Straits

114308 Votes

The Cars

88750 Votes

Eurythmics

79294 Votes

Judas Priest

72325 Votes

Depeche Mode

67619 Votes

J. Geils Band

63160 Votes

The Zombies

47121 Votes

Radiohead

44330 Votes

Nina Simone

41567 Votes

Rage Against the Machine

34308 Votes

Kate Bush

29888 Votes

LL Cool J

22848 Votes

Sister Rosetta Tharpe

21222 Votes

The MC5

19397 Votes

Rufus featuring Chaka Khan

17901 Votes

Link Wray

14339 Votes

The Meters

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Reply #46 posted 10/16/17 10:47am

NorthC

^So it really is just a popularity contest. Link Wray is one of the pioneers of the rock guitar, he should have been in there years ago.
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Reply #47 posted 10/17/17 10:00am

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^So it really is just a popularity contest. Link Wray is one of the pioneers of the rock guitar, he should have been in there years ago.

I wouldn't say that. He'll prob get in with a fantastic "honoree" like Pete or Iggy, or (hopefully not) Neil Young.

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Reply #48 posted 10/18/17 11:23am

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No its not popularity because Jovi had alot of votes last time they were up and they were not voted in by this so called "committee" they have for the Hall, which is why Jon took shots at the whole process.


"We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F
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Reply #49 posted 10/19/17 10:47pm

PennyPurple

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Current Standings

306011 Votes

Bon Jovi

240015 Votes

Moody Blues

188849 Votes

Dire Straits

164461 Votes

The Cars

127735 Votes

Eurythmics

123381 Votes

Judas Priest

101986 Votes

The Zombies

101751 Votes

Depeche Mode

98523 Votes

J. Geils Band

63258 Votes

Radiohead

61398 Votes

Nina Simone

57526 Votes

Rage Against the Machine

48618 Votes

Kate Bush

40968 Votes

LL Cool J

33188 Votes

Sister Rosetta Tharpe

32855 Votes

The MC5

27289 Votes

Rufus featuring Chaka Khan

27053 Votes

Link Wray

19774 Votes

The Meters

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Reply #50 posted 10/21/17 4:07pm

mnbvc

There is a definate fallacy to not putting Janet Jackson in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

You're gonna induct both 2pac AND LL Cool J (and other rappers) but give all the credit to Madonna for the pop landscape for the last two decades?

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