FullLipsDotNose said:

laurarichardson said:

Please name the many hits she has produced and if you only know Elvis that is on you. Plenty of people know who the hell B. B. King was.

Let me guess you are young.

I know who B. B. King was, I just don't recall his face nor any of his songs... Her production discography is at Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/...scography.

Many of these songs were album or soundtrack filler and not very good or succesful. I hope you are joking.

FullLipsDotNose said:

laurarichardson said:

Please name the many hits she has produced and if you only know Elvis that is on you. Plenty of people know who the hell B. B. King was.

Let me guess you are young.

I know who B. B. King was, I just don't recall his face nor any of his songs... Her production discography is at Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/...scography.

MJ, BB King, James Brown, etc do not have statues made of them because they made great songs. Their cultural impact reaches far beyond just music and far beyond just entertainment. That statue of MJ for example is in Brazil not America which further explains that impact. Missy does not have the same impact and does not deserve a statue.

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FullLipsDotNose said:

By the way, out of those pics, I could only recognise Elvis Presley.

James Brown, Beatles, Elvis, Michael Jackson, B.B. King, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Otis Redding

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Here's some others: David Jones, Bon Scott (AC/DC), Celia Cruz, Notorious B.I.G., 2Pac, Amy Winehouse, Dolly Parton, Billy Fury

MickyDolenz said:

phunkdaddy said:

MD431Madcat said:

Missy Elliott's Statue.....?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

now that was funny!

who's next Jermaine Dupri?!?

Don't sleep on So So Def

MickyDolenz said:

FullLipsDotNose said:

By the way, out of those pics, I could only recognise Elvis Presley.

James Brown, Beatles, Elvis, Michael Jackson, B.B. King, Stevie Ray Vaughan, Otis Redding

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Here's some others: David Jones, Bon Scott (AC/DC), Celia Cruz, Notorious B.I.G., 2Pac, Amy Winehouse, Dolly Parton, Billy Fury

That Amy Winehouse statue looks horrific.

FullLipsDotNose said:

Don't forget the Ray Charles statue in Albany, GA.

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And for the record, I COMPLETELY SUPPORT a Missy Elliott statue. That's how you keep America great (because it never stopped being great, no matter what any Trump supporter says).

Germanegro said:

Empress said:

EmmaMcG said: I could not have said this better myself. There are many more deserving people of all races that would be a better candidate for this. Nothing against Missy, but I do not think she deserves a statue.

I think that people might be a bit more sympathetic to the general state of Black folks in America, if they were able to conduct the mental excercise of "flipping the script" and understanding how the general evironment would impact one's life were "you" living in such a state. At any rate, I believe that catharsis is the point of this obviously fantastic suggestion!

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We've got some very big issues remaining to be sorted on this side of the Atlantic and our general dog-eat-dog human condition.

This is a dumbass comment. After all, your side of the Atlantic has far worse Neo Nazi/White Nationalism problems than over here yet you try to patronize with siliness like "flipping the script"...

Prince should DEFINITELY get a Statue in Minneapolis!!!! Missy tho'???

YUP + YUP!

woogiebear said:

Prince should DEFINITELY get a Statue in Minneapolis!!!! Missy tho'???

http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/pop/7940876/britney-spears-statue-petition-louisiana-confederate-replace

Britney Spears petition to replace Confederate Statues as well.

CoolMF said:

Don't forget the Ray Charles statue in Albany, GA.

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And for the record, I COMPLETELY SUPPORT a Missy Elliott statue. That's how you keep America great (because it never stopped being great, no matter what any Trump supporter says).

Please stop it is embarassing.

Makes me think of Scary Lucy

They fixed it to be a little more appealling. Also regarding Michael Jackson statues I believe he himself commissioned several that are still standing worldwide.

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http://www.mjworld.net/ne...t-believe/

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I think statues are nice but should come with a Statue Statute of Limitations for like 30-40 years after a while society changes and suddenly you realize that the statue of the misogynist or slave owner you walk by everyday becomes inappropriate.

StrangeButTrue said:

I think statues are nice but should come with a Statue Statute of Limitations for like 30-40 years after a while society changes and suddenly you realize that the statue of the misogynist or slave owner you walk by everyday becomes inappropriate.

That would include George Washington, Thomas Jefferson & other founding fathers. That's not going to happen, and even if it did, they would still be on money. Harriet Tubman is supposed to be put on the $20 bill, but Andrew Jackson is still going to be on it on the back. So they're not getting rid of him altogether. Unlike what they teach at school, slavery wasn't only in the southern Confederate states. Wall Street is built over a slave gravesite in NYC. The US still celebrates Columbus Day and there's statues of him here too. Thanksgiving is a holiday basically celebrating stealing land from Native Americans.

MickyDolenz said:

StrangeButTrue said:

I think statues are nice but should come with a Statue Statute of Limitations for like 30-40 years after a while society changes and suddenly you realize that the statue of the misogynist or slave owner you walk by everyday becomes inappropriate.

That would include George Washington, Thomas Jefferson & other founding fathers. That's not going to happen, and even if it did, they would still be on money. Harriet Tubman is supposed to be put on the $20 bill, but Andrew Jackson is still going to be on it on the back. So they're not getting rid of him altogether. Unlike what they teach at school, slavery wasn't only in the southern Confederate states. Wall Street is built over a slave gravesite in NYC. The US still celebrates Columbus Day and there's statues of him here too. Thanksgiving is a holiday basically celebrating stealing land from Native Americans.

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Damn thats heavy Micky. I don't celebrate money, Wall Street or Thanksgiving or any of that stuff but I am in favor of getting rid of statues of Washington, Jefferson & other founding fathers. Regarding cash money alot of folks don't even use it anymore, relying on bank cards and transfers and cell phones so that may be a non-issue in the near future. Like P said "its just ink & chlorophyll"

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StrangeButTrue said:

Damn thats heavy Micky. I don't celebrate money, Wall Street or Thanksgiving or any of that stuff but I am in favor of getting rid of statues of Washington, Jefferson & other founding fathers. Regarding cash money alot of folks don't even use it anymore, relying on bank cards and transfers and cell phones so that may be a non-issue in the near future. Like P said "its just ink & chlorophyll"

The capitol of the United States is named after George Washington (Washington DC) and there's also a Washington state. It's not like they're going to change the names. George Washington's home Monticello is a tourist attraction. Not everybody has bank cards or credit cards for that matter. It's not like the average drug dealer wants to use something that leaves a trail like a bank card and some people can't afford to use banks as they generally require to have a certain amount in them. Then many banks charge a fee everytime you take some money out. When James Brown was alive, it has been said he didn't trust banks and buried money on his property. Money isn't going anywhere.

why does Tupac's statue look like the cook (Lou Myers RIP) from "Its A Different World", tho?

CoolMF said:

Germanegro said:

I think that people might be a bit more sympathetic to the general state of Black folks in America, if they were able to conduct the mental excercise of "flipping the script" and understanding how the general evironment would impact one's life were "you" living in such a state. At any rate, I believe that catharsis is the point of this obviously fantastic suggestion!

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We've got some very big issues remaining to be sorted on this side of the Atlantic and our general dog-eat-dog human condition.

This is a dumbass comment. After all, your side of the Atlantic has far worse Neo Nazi/White Nationalism problems than over here yet you try to patronize with siliness like "flipping the script"...

I really do not understand what you are trying to say here. It is difficult for me to try to respond.

MickyDolenz said:

StrangeButTrue said:

Damn thats heavy Micky. I don't celebrate money, Wall Street or Thanksgiving or any of that stuff but I am in favor of getting rid of statues of Washington, Jefferson & other founding fathers. Regarding cash money alot of folks don't even use it anymore, relying on bank cards and transfers and cell phones so that may be a non-issue in the near future. Like P said "its just ink & chlorophyll"

The capitol of the United States is named after George Washington (Washington DC) and there's also a Washington state. It's not like they're going to change the names. George Washington's home Monticello is a tourist attraction. Not everybody has bank cards or credit cards for that matter. It's not like the average drug dealer wants to use something that leaves a trail like a bank card and some people can't afford to use banks as they generally require to have a certain amount in them. Then many banks charge a fee everytime you take some money out. When James Brown was alive, it has been said he didn't trust banks and buried money on his property. Money isn't going anywhere.

"Washington, DC" is a moniker that developed after the actual official name of the District of Columbia was established, as G. Washington is such a beloved "OG"-- slave-owner and freedom fighter for the American colonies against G. Britain! The lines of racism and moral deceit run deep in the nation. Kind of funny, as the first European settlements--initially cooperating then conflicting with the natives--were established to conduct basic trade commerce and create centers of religious/cultural freedom. Then people got greedy with the setup of mercantilism http://teachersites.schoo...merica.pdf. The "United States" is kind of like a big establishment of economic opportunists rearing their ugly heads, and thus we suffer. Currency is here to stay, of course, however our cultural evolution will determine what figures and symbols shall remain on such objects (and the statues displayed at public squares).

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Edit: I should also make the correction that G.W.'s homestead is Mount Vernon at Alexandria, VA. Monticello is the famous house of Thomas Jefferson. You probably already knew that!

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RJOrion said:

why does Tupac's statue look like the cook (Lou Myers RIP) from "Its A Different World", tho?

MickyDolenz said:

Battle grows over confederate remnants
By Katie Zezima and Aaron Williams / The Washington Post
Columbia Daily Tribune September 17, 2017

James Cole is upset that Confederate monuments still exist in this country. Stuart Waldo is disappointed that people want to take them down.

Cole, 16, attended Robert E. Lee Elementary School in Tampa, Fla., with thousands of other black children. He is now working to change its name. Waldo, 53, is the proud descendant of Confederate soldiers. Each year he lays a wreath at a monument to a Civil War infantry unit in Prattville, Ala.

Cole and Waldo sit on opposite sides of an issue roiling the country: What to do with the more than 1,500 statues, schools, roads, holidays and other commemorations of the Confederacy nationwide? The Southern Poverty Law Center has identified and tallied those tributes and memorials, but the total number is likely higher.

In the wake of violence last month at a white supremacist rally at the Robert E. Lee statue in Charlottesville, Va., which killed one person and injured 19, some cities are moving quickly to take down memorials to the Confederacy. The Lexington-Fayette Urban County Council in Lexington, Ky., approved a plan to move two statues. In Portsmouth, Va., a petition launched to replace the city’s Confederate monument with a statue of a city native: Grammy-winning rapper, dancer and producer Missy Elliott. It has garnered nearly 33,000 signatures. In Baltimore, crews quietly removed four statues under cover of night in the days after Charlottesville.

“This was a decision that I made,” Baltimore Mayor Catherine Pugh said. “I made it in the best interest of the city.”

And here in Columbia, a committee will study renaming Lee Expressive Arts Elementary, named for the confederate general in the early 1900s.

Elsewhere, artists and historic preservationists have raised concerns about the rapid removal of Confederate monuments — and in some places new ones have been erected. Last year, Brandenburg, Ky., saved a Confederate monument that nearby Louisville had removed and perched it atop a hill overlooking the Ohio River. In Chickamauga, Ga., a new statue of a Confederate soldier was revealed last year. And in Crenshaw County, Ala., a new monument was unveiled last month in Confederate Veterans Memorial Park.

“It’s important that we remember our heritage,” the park’s operator, David Coggins, told The Associated Press, adding that people who attended the unveiling were not racists. “And it’s very important we remember our history, for those people that forget their heritage ... are doomed to repeat it again.”

Coggins did not return calls from The Washington Post.

The overwhelming majority of America’s Confederate monuments are in the South. Virginia has the country’s largest concentration with at least 223. But they also pop up in unlikely places: one was erected in Montana, which didn’t become a state until after the Civil War, and another in Massachusetts, which lost nearly 14,000 residents fighting for the Union army. Montana removed its monument in mid-August and Massachusetts covered its up in June.

In St. Cloud, Fla., which was founded in large part by thousands of Union veterans, there’s a Confederate monument and Robert E. Lee Road. The monument in St. Cloud, along with at least 30 others nationwide, were unveiled in the 21st Century. Many were put up during the 1950s and ’60s during the civil rights movement.

In the places where they exist, signs of the Confederacy can be assertive, like enormous bronze statues, or more subtle, like Maury Lane, a road in Alexandria, Va., likely named for Confederate Navy officer Matthew Fontaine Maury. But to people such as Cole and Waldo, they have vastly different meanings.

Keeping history alive

About seven years ago, Waldo, an avid golfer, saw a Sons of Confederate Veterans bumper sticker on a car in a golf course parking lot. The lifelong Southerner knew he had Confederate ancestors and learned details of their lives from reading his grandmother’s memoirs. So he decided to go to a chapter meeting and research his family’s history.

Waldo, who is white, found the grave of his great-great-great grandfather, Elijah Hunt, in Newnan, Ga. Hunt was a private in the Confederate army. Waldo and his family traveled the 140 miles to the cemetery, where nearly 300 Confederate soldiers are buried, and saw his small white headstone.

“It kind of made the history of my ancestors come alive, to find their graves,” Waldo said.

The discovery led Waldo to become deeply involved in the Sons of Confederate Veterans and the preservation of Confederate monuments. He is the commander of the Prattville Dragoons Camp of the Sons of Confederate Veterans, which honors a Civil War infantry unit from the area. The camp hands out small Confederate flags at town events and lays a wreath at the site of two monuments to the dragoons on the last Monday in April, when the state celebrates Confederate Memorial Day.

Waldo believes the fight over monuments is about history, not race, and says removing the monuments is tantamount to erasing the past. He notes his ancestor didn’t own slaves.

“He went to war to protect his home and his family, and that’s why we from a personal standpoint very much want to honor them,” Waldo said.

He believes those opposed to the monuments should be respected and deplores the violence that has emerged at some sites. Still, he says no one he knows in Prattville has even considered taking the city’s three monuments down.

“If you ask people who live in these towns, the vast majority don’t want their history erased, don’t want their monuments taken down,” he said. “It’s a lot of folks who come from elsewhere and frankly I believe are instigators.”

A man to look up to?

James Christian Cole remembers walking up the stairs of his public school in fourth grade and seeing a huge picture of Robert E. Lee at the top. Maybe, he thought, that was a man he could look up to.

Cole is “absolutely positive” that many current students and alumni are unaware that their school was named after Lee or the role Lee played in history. He considers himself lucky to have learned from a teacher in middle school.

“I think of that mural all the time, definitely with what’s happening now,” he said. “I just wonder what possibly could be going through those kids’ heads, because I know it went through mine.”

Cole, now a high school junior, is fighting to change the school’s name. As president of the Hillsborough County NAACP’s youth council, he took his request to the Hillsborough County School Board, which it says will take at least 18 months to consider the change.

Cole and others plan to keep pressure on the board to ensure the school is renamed, including attending monthly school board meetings. He would like to see the school instead honor Carter G. Woodson, an author and historian known as the father of black history month.

Cole does not believe the argument that the fight over statues is about heritage. The white supremacists rally in Charlottesville, he said, is “a very good representation of the people who support this and what they are about and how they view the world.”

The fight to preserve Confederate monuments is very likely in the minds of the preservationists a stand to preserve their history and cultural heritage. It's unfortunate that that culture and heritage was driven by a system of oppression--slavery-- unseen in many other parts of the globe in scope of greed, brutality, and weight of consequence. Suppression of a great minority of people for commerce and as trade, in a nation whose dreams and promises of freedom and prosperity were held aloft on their strained backs is also on display in such tributes mounted at city squares and town halls. The preservation and dismantleing efforts signal a communal rift at hand, and finding a way over the chasm of understanding is a challenging endeavor--to appease the history staltworts who ironically love their piece of shameful yet glorified history, that their ancestors may have died for in the making. The emphasis of the public monuments of today may need to be adapted to a new cultural reality so as to embrace both the past and the future, while the Confederate statues be placed into museums where the people who wish to pay tribute to thier past can build their walls and do so privately.

Patti LaBelle is The Queen of Philly and they've never named a Street or Building in her honor...Somebody did spray paint her likeness on the side of a building...Whatever...

Black folks ain't ready sometimes..

Missy at the 2017 Hip Hop Honors

http://afropunk.com/2017/09/dallas-residents-create-petition-rename-robert-e-lee-park-erykah-badu-d/