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phillymonster

Article: 10 Albums That Defined The 1990s

http://observer.com/2017/...the-1990s/

Good list. But not sure Alanis should be ahead of Nirvana.

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Reply #1 posted 07/17/17 1:07pm

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Eminem did not define the 90s. Em was a speck in the 90s. That album was released in spring of 99.
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Reply #2 posted 07/17/17 1:52pm

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LittleBLUECorvette said:

Eminem did not define the 90s. Em was a speck in the 90s. That album was released in spring of 99.

He's also not the first white rapper embraced by the hip hop community. That would be the Beastie Boys in the 1980s. Willie D said he used to rap battle Vanilla Ice in a club before Ice got a record deal. This was also before Willie got in the Geto Boys. There's also 3rd Bass, House Of Pain, and others to a lesser extent like Young Black Teenagers & Tairre B.

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Reply #3 posted 07/17/17 2:04pm

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The choices are legitimate. I think it goes to show the relative weakness of the 90's compared to other decades on the music front.

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MickyDolenz said:



LittleBLUECorvette said:


Eminem did not define the 90s. Em was a speck in the 90s. That album was released in spring of 99.

He's also not the first white rapper embraced by the hip hop community. That would be the Beastie Boys in the 1980s. Willie D said he used to rap battle Vanilla Ice in a club before Ice got a record deal. This was also before Willie got in the Geto Boys. There's also 3rd Bass, House Of Pain, and others to a lesser extent like Young Black Teenagers & Tairre B.


I'm not doubting his rapping ability, just saying an album releasdd in 99 can't define the 90s decade.
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Reply #5 posted 07/17/17 5:15pm

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Good to see ROL especially as they praise Mer Girl on of her most or the mot haunting song in her carreer.

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Reply #6 posted 07/17/17 5:16pm

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Dangerous should be there, as well and specially OK, Computer.

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Reply #7 posted 07/17/17 5:53pm

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List is "interesting" but for me...nah!!! These are just some of the albums I felt, imo, that defined the '90s...in no particular order...

.janet - Janet Jackson

Dangerous - Michael Jackson

The Score - The Fugees

Miseducation of... - Lauryn Hill

The Low End Theory - A Tribe Called Quest

Illmatic - Nas

Fear of a Black Planet - Public Enemy

Baduizm - Erykah Badu

Enter 36 Chambers - Wu Tang Clan

Only Built 4 Cuban Linx - Raekwon

What's The 411? - Mary J. Blige

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Reply #8 posted 07/17/17 6:12pm

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[b]List is "interesting" but for me...nah!!! These are just some of the albums I felt, imo, that defined the '90s

I'm pretty sure this is a mainstream list and Alanis Morrisette, Nirvana, & TLC sold way more than acts like Erykah Badu & Public Enemy in the 1990s.

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Reply #9 posted 07/17/17 8:16pm

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ReddBlitz said:

List is "interesting" but for me...nah!!! These are just some of the albums I felt, imo, that defined the '90s...in no particular order... .janet - Janet Jackson Dangerous - Michael Jackson The Score - The Fugees Miseducation of... - Lauryn Hill The Low End Theory - A Tribe Called Quest Illmatic - Nas Fear of a Black Planet - Public Enemy Baduizm - Erykah Badu Enter 36 Chambers - Wu Tang Clan Only Built 4 Cuban Linx - Raekwon What's The 411? - Mary J. Blige

Great List !... it damn sure looks like what defined my musical tastes in the 90's...maybe add Guy - "The Future"....

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Reply #10 posted 07/17/17 8:19pm

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They put Slim Shady LP too high,at least not above Chornic

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Reply #11 posted 07/17/17 8:21pm

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No Spice Girls? Oasis?

We're here, might as well get into it.
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Reply #12 posted 07/17/17 8:40pm

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Toofunkyinhere said:

Oasis?

Hootie & The Blowfish sold more in the US than them and maybe the Dixie Chicks did too. The Chicks were huge until the George W. Bush comments, but that was in the 2000s. I don't understand why Garth Brooks wasn't on the list though. I think he was the biggest selling act of the 1990s. I don't remember Bjork being a big seller. Ace Of Base and many other acts sold more than her in the US.

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They put Slim Shady LP too high,at least not above Chornic


It shouldn't even be here. It had NO influence on the 90s. More so in the 2000a.
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ReddBlitz said:

List is "interesting" but for me...nah!!! These are just some of the albums I felt, imo, that defined the '90s...in no particular order... .janet - Janet Jackson Dangerous - Michael Jackson The Score - The Fugees Miseducation of... - Lauryn Hill The Low End Theory - A Tribe Called Quest Illmatic - Nas Fear of a Black Planet - Public Enemy Baduizm - Erykah Badu Enter 36 Chambers - Wu Tang Clan Only Built 4 Cuban Linx - Raekwon What's The 411? - Mary J. Blige

thumbs up! Although I would replace Mary JB's "the 411" with "My Life" which is one of the most iconic albums from the 90s. I would keep TLC Crazy Sexy Cool too.

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Reply #15 posted 07/17/17 9:01pm

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LittleBLUECorvette said:

funkydelivery said:

They put Slim Shady LP too high,at least not above Chornic

It shouldn't even be here. It had NO influence on the 90s. More so in the 2000a.

Eminem didn't have any influence on the 1990s, but Garth Brooks did. He and Shania Twain were the main ones who brought country music to superstar levels. After Garth, there was Brooks & Dunn, Alan Jackson, etc. Without Garth, Miley Cyrus might not be a thing now because her father Billy Ray sold 7 or 8 million copies of his debut album back then. The rock music media always talks about Nirvana, Pearl Jam, & grunge being the big thing of the 1990s. But country is still popular today long after grunge fell off.

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Reply #16 posted 07/18/17 4:34am

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Its hard to say, lists like these are confining and so impossibly subjective. Just as hard to comment on them for me anyhow. Anyway.....the list is predictably crappy....nothing from "rock/dance/electronica" like Massive Attack "Mezzanine" or "Protection" or even Moby for goodness sakes

Nothing from jazz and all of what the music genre defining folks called "neo-classical" groups like the Black Note Jazz Quintet, Roy Hargove or vocalist that came to the forefront during this era like Cassandra Wilson or Diana Krall. Acid Jazz which was linked to downtempo music that was everywhere like Kruder and Dorfmeister(spl?).

All of the interesting, provocative and diverse hip hop.....Eminem didn't come out until 1999....he was a 2000's mega star. Tribe Called Quest "Low End Theory" and "Midnight Marauders" stand out as trendsetters to me....but Jayz, Biggie, Tupac were all huge in the 1990s. And I didn't notice Soundgarden, Nirvana or Alice in Chains anywhere on there....even Stone Temple Pilots....grunge was the isth in the 90s.

Not sure what the creaters of the list......weren't smoking.....whatever it is they should smoke some and open their minds a bit. Madonna was huge and Ray of Light was lovely (owed entirely to electronica which was ignored by the list) U2 was legit and REM also but TLC.....over Janet? Jeeeeez what a crappy list.

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Reply #17 posted 07/18/17 4:37am

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namepeace said:

The choices are legitimate. I think it goes to show the relative weakness of the 90's compared to other decades on the music front.

The list is not inclusive and a reflection of the people at the Observer not the rich music we enjoyed in the 1990s. The 90's was a beautiful era in music....couldn't disagree with you more namepeace. Especially compared to the formulaic 2000s (at least in the pop world) and the even more balkanized 2010s. The 70's and the 90's had the most freedome and variety in jazz, rock/pop/soul, electronic music even classical music.

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Reply #18 posted 07/18/17 5:22am

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MickyDolenz said:


ReddBlitz said:


List is "interesting" but for me...nah!!! These are just some of the albums I felt, imo, that defined the '90s



I'm pretty sure this is a mainstream list and Alanis Morrisette, Nirvana, & TLC sold way more than acts like Erykah Badu & Public Enemy in the 1990s.



That's all well and good but SALES don't always have baring on as to what can possibly be both influential and trendsetting. Some of the albums that I listed might not of sold in masses but in their own right, they made an impressive mark within the '90s decade and even still to this day. They were as respectfully as impactful and to a much degree, they'd contribute a great role in helping to again, set trends. Honestly, I never went by as to what's "truth" simply by often bought and paid mainstream critics who I feel often misses the boat. Again, that's just my overall opinion.
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Reply #19 posted 07/18/17 5:27am

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mjscarousal said:



ReddBlitz said:


List is "interesting" but for me...nah!!! These are just some of the albums I felt, imo, that defined the '90s...in no particular order... .janet - Janet Jackson Dangerous - Michael Jackson The Score - The Fugees Miseducation of... - Lauryn Hill The Low End Theory - A Tribe Called Quest Illmatic - Nas Fear of a Black Planet - Public Enemy Baduizm - Erykah Badu Enter 36 Chambers - Wu Tang Clan Only Built 4 Cuban Linx - Raekwon What's The 411? - Mary J. Blige

thumbs up! Although I would replace Mary JB's "the 411" with "My Life" which is one of the most iconic albums from the 90s. I would keep TLC Crazy Sexy Cool too.

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I thought of putting My Life but for one, next month marks the 25th Anniversary of Blige's debut so out of respect I felt it necessary. Also her debut would kick the door wide open for there ever to be a My Life.
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Reply #20 posted 07/18/17 8:42am

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ReddBlitz said:

List is "interesting" but for me...nah!!! These are just some of the albums I felt, imo, that defined the '90s...in no particular order... .janet - Janet Jackson Dangerous - Michael Jackson The Score - The Fugees Miseducation of... - Lauryn Hill The Low End Theory - A Tribe Called Quest Illmatic - Nas Fear of a Black Planet - Public Enemy Baduizm - Erykah Badu Enter 36 Chambers - Wu Tang Clan Only Built 4 Cuban Linx - Raekwon What's The 411? - Mary J. Blige


Several of these albums defined my 90's, but they didn't define the 90's.

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Reply #21 posted 07/18/17 9:27am

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ReddBlitz said:

That's all well and good but SALES don't always have baring on as to what can possibly be both influential and trendsetting. Some of the albums that I listed might not of sold in masses but in their own right, they made an impressive mark within the '90s decade and even still to this day. They were as respectfully as impactful and to a much degree, they'd contribute a great role in helping to again, set trends. Honestly, I never went by as to what's "truth" simply by often bought and paid mainstream critics who I feel often misses the boat. Again, that's just my overall opinion.

But "mainstream" means popularity and sales. It's not stuff that a niche audience likes, it's what became Billboard hits, sold well, and got a lot of airplay. It's like if People Magazine or TV shows Entertainment Tonight and Extra makes a list about 1990s music, they're going to name acts that had big success. I'd imagine they would name Celine Dion, Mariah Carey, & The Bodyguard Soundtrack because that is most likely what their audience would remember. They talk about pop culture. Why would a publication/website who's audience is likely mainstream put Erykah Badu on a Top 10 list for the 1990s? The Fugees might be candidates because they did crossover to the mainstream.

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Reply #22 posted 07/18/17 1:46pm

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ReddBlitz said:


List is "interesting" but for me...nah!!! These are just some of the albums I felt, imo, that defined the '90s...in no particular order... .janet - Janet Jackson Dangerous - Michael Jackson The Score - The Fugees Miseducation of... - Lauryn Hill The Low End Theory - A Tribe Called Quest Illmatic - Nas Fear of a Black Planet - Public Enemy Baduizm - Erykah Badu Enter 36 Chambers - Wu Tang Clan Only Built 4 Cuban Linx - Raekwon What's The 411? - Mary J. Blige


Several of these albums defined my 90's, but they didn't define the 90's.



As I previously stated, in what I listed was no more than what I felt in my opinion. What's considered by me as such isn't going to be celebrated or even acknowledged as such by all. Lol And it's all good!!
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MickyDolenz said:



ReddBlitz said:


That's all well and good but SALES don't always have baring on as to what can possibly be both influential and trendsetting. Some of the albums that I listed might not of sold in masses but in their own right, they made an impressive mark within the '90s decade and even still to this day. They were as respectfully as impactful and to a much degree, they'd contribute a great role in helping to again, set trends. Honestly, I never went by as to what's "truth" simply by often bought and paid mainstream critics who I feel often misses the boat. Again, that's just my overall opinion.

But "mainstream" means popularity and sales. It's not stuff that a niche audience likes, it's what became Billboard hits, sold well, and got a lot of airplay. It's like if People Magazine or TV shows Entertainment Tonight and Extra makes a list about 1990s music, they're going to name acts that had big success. I'd imagine they would name Celine Dion, Mariah Carey, & The Bodyguard Soundtrack because that is most likely what their audience would remember. They talk about pop culture. Why would a publication/website who's audience is likely mainstream put Erykah Badu on a Top 10 list for the 1990s? The Fugees might be candidates because they did crossover to the mainstream.



Actually, a good majority of my list and such titles very well crossed over into the mainstream and sold well, but again, I wasn't looking for anyone to agree or even as to disagree. It was all based on my opinion...what I ultimately felt....and most importantly...like! Again, music critics, in general and their often failed sightings have no baring as to what my ears and massive music collection adapts.
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Reply #24 posted 07/18/17 2:49pm

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ReddBlitz said:

List is "interesting" but for me...nah!!! These are just some of the albums I felt, imo, that defined the '90s...in no particular order... .janet - Janet Jackson Dangerous - Michael Jackson The Score - The Fugees Miseducation of... - Lauryn Hill The Low End Theory - A Tribe Called Quest Illmatic - Nas Fear of a Black Planet - Public Enemy Baduizm - Erykah Badu Enter 36 Chambers - Wu Tang Clan Only Built 4 Cuban Linx - Raekwon What's The 411? - Mary J. Blige

All by blac artists... no way.

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namepeace said:


Several of these albums defined my 90's, but they didn't define the 90's.

As I previously stated, in what I listed was no more than what I felt in my opinion. What's considered by me as such isn't going to be celebrated or even acknowledged as such by all. Lol And it's all good!!

You should have said that in the first place.

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Reply #26 posted 07/18/17 3:35pm

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More like a wishlist of what defined the 90's than the truth. You can't get away from the Spice Girls.

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Reply #27 posted 07/18/17 7:09pm

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not complete without mention of Symphony or Damn, Time's Up and Mechanical Animals

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Reply #28 posted 07/18/17 8:42pm

RJOrion

luvsexy4all said:

not complete without mention of Symphony or Damn, Time's Up and Mechanical Animals

WHO??

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Reply #29 posted 07/19/17 5:17am

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214 said:



ReddBlitz said:


namepeace said:



Several of these albums defined my 90's, but they didn't define the 90's.



As I previously stated, in what I listed was no more than what I felt in my opinion. What's considered by me as such isn't going to be celebrated or even acknowledged as such by all. Lol And it's all good!!

You should have said that in the first place.



I have but the problem with most is that they can't seem to comprehend.
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