Adorecream said:

Prince went through a wild sexual phase about 1980 - 84 and some of the songs on DM, Controversy and 1999 are very sexually charged and lines like "I want to fuck the taste out of your mouth" are questionable along with the song Sister. But he was only 21 to 25 at the time, not in his 50s. By the time Prince was 50 he turned his back on lyrics that bordered on the rapine and was known for his holier than thou attitude.

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The fact he repudiated all that racy stuff from 1998/99 onwards. shows how far he came. Prince may have approved of PR Deluxe, but we can fuck and those other songs were put on by Warners Execs, not Prince, if he was alive I would doubt we would be hearing those.

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Prince liked sex, what man does not, but he liked legal sex, he did make young women wait until they were 18 and I doubt he forced girls, they came to him. Okay Mayte, Anna and Carmen were 18/19, but so many of his other women were well into their 20s when he was in love and being physical with them (Susannah, Vanity, Judith, Bria, Manuela etc). He had some tendencies though, those darker songs like Xtra Lovable, Lust u always, and Big Tall Wall (About locking a girl up and making her love it), but We can Fuck is not, yes its graphic, but he is praising her and being positive, not calling her a hoe or a bitch like most of the shit hop and sexified R and B like R Kelly and Prince has never compared a girl to car (U remind me of my Jeep), plus Dave Chapelle did not do a scatalogical send up of his songs like he did with R Kelly and Prince never peed on no 15 year old girl. And why does he film himself sexing them and he has a Chicago and Atlanta compound for his bitches eached staffed by a boss bitch who instructs them on pleasing the singer.

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Plus even his rapiest and nastiest songs have some musicality about them, organs, drums, guitars and creamy vocals. Kelly's are all drum machines, and auto tuned singing and they are all complete shit.

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Plus we need to look at the record, most of R Kelly's songs I have heard are either objectifying women and calling them hoes and bitches or about sexing them. The rest of his music is cheesy crap like Believe I can fly (Yuuucckkkkk), whereas Prince's music, for every song about nasty, freaky sex, there are 10 or more glorifying a woman's beauty, her brains or personality.

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Also just because I listen to a song about Fucking or lust or graphic sex. Does not mean I objectify it, if anything I detest any thing that forces anyone into stuff they don't want to do and believe that all people (Not just women) should be loved and cherished. Sex should be beautiful and loving, not sleazy and violent. Songs like Lust u always and Xtralovable I hardly ever listening to, because those lines about rape and violence are truly sick in my opinion.

[Edited 7/21/17 4:30am]

I agree with you." Sex should be beautiful and loving, " I never got from Prince's music that he did not see it in that manner and he was not calling women "ho and bitches"

Not one women he dated has said he was abusive it seems he was a little harder on the wives but nothing about him forcing anyone to stay in a home and face the wall when other men come in the room. WTF

phunkdaddy said:

TD3 said:

Yes, Kelly use to cruise Chicagoo middle-schools for girls. The Chicago Sun-Times columnist Mary Mitchell reported on this fact for a decade.

I'll take your word for it with you living in the area moreso than the article

I read by that writer several years ago stating so.

Columnist Mary Mitchell is more of a political writer for the Sun-Times. Ms. Mitchell took it a lit bit further and spoke at length to WTTW (PBS Channel 11) Chicago Tonight host/journalist Carol Marin on what Kelly was doing. It was common knowledge around the city.

This is why men, women, and/or children don't speak up and out about sexual abuse/rape. Because they know, the likely outcome will be thrown back on them or people won't do shit about it.

Kelly may have not done anything but he doesn't get benefit of the doubt.... he gets a side-eye.

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[Edited 7/21/17 11:34am]

yeah,he gets NO benefit of the doubt,lol

TD3 said:

Kelly may have not done anything but he doesn't get benefit of the doubt.... he gets a side-eye.

Adorecream said:

Prince went through a wild sexual phase about 1980 - 84 and some of the songs on DM, Controversy and 1999 are very sexually charged and lines like "I want to fuck the taste out of your mouth" are questionable along with the song Sister. But he was only 21 to 25 at the time, not in his 50s. By the time Prince was 50 he turned his back on lyrics that bordered on the rapine and was known for his holier than thou attitude.

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The fact he repudiated all that racy stuff from 1998/99 onwards. shows how far he came. Prince may have approved of PR Deluxe, but we can fuck and those other songs were put on by Warners Execs, not Prince, if he was alive I would doubt we would be hearing those.

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Prince liked sex, what man does not, but he liked legal sex, he did make young women wait until they were 18 and I doubt he forced girls, they came to him. Okay Mayte, Anna and Carmen were 18/19, but so many of his other women were well into their 20s when he was in love and being physical with them (Susannah, Vanity, Judith, Bria, Manuela etc). He had some tendencies though, those darker songs like Xtra Lovable, Lust u always, and Big Tall Wall (About locking a girl up and making her love it), but We can Fuck is not, yes its graphic, but he is praising her and being positive, not calling her a hoe or a bitch like most of the shit hop and sexified R and B like R Kelly and Prince has never compared a girl to car (U remind me of my Jeep), plus Dave Chapelle did not do a scatalogical send up of his songs like he did with R Kelly and Prince never peed on no 15 year old girl. And why does he film himself sexing them and he has a Chicago and Atlanta compound for his bitches eached staffed by a boss bitch who instructs them on pleasing the singer.

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Plus even his rapiest and nastiest songs have some musicality about them, organs, drums, guitars and creamy vocals. Kelly's are all drum machines, and auto tuned singing and they are all complete shit.

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Plus we need to look at the record, most of R Kelly's songs I have heard are either objectifying women and calling them hoes and bitches or about sexing them. The rest of his music is cheesy crap like Believe I can fly (Yuuucckkkkk), whereas Prince's music, for every song about nasty, freaky sex, there are 10 or more glorifying a woman's beauty, her brains or personality.

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Also just because I listen to a song about Fucking or lust or graphic sex. Does not mean I objectify it, if anything I detest any thing that forces anyone into stuff they don't want to do and believe that all people (Not just women) should be loved and cherished. Sex should be beautiful and loving, not sleazy and violent. Songs like Lust u always and Xtralovable I hardly ever listening to, because those lines about rape and violence are truly sick in my opinion.

[Edited 7/21/17 4:30am]

What about Little Red Corvette?

smoothcriminal12 said:

Adorecream said:

Prince went through a wild sexual phase about 1980 - 84 and some of the songs on DM, Controversy and 1999 are very sexually charged and lines like "I want to fuck the taste out of your mouth" are questionable along with the song Sister. But he was only 21 to 25 at the time, not in his 50s. By the time Prince was 50 he turned his back on lyrics that bordered on the rapine and was known for his holier than thou attitude.

.

The fact he repudiated all that racy stuff from 1998/99 onwards. shows how far he came. Prince may have approved of PR Deluxe, but we can fuck and those other songs were put on by Warners Execs, not Prince, if he was alive I would doubt we would be hearing those.

.

Prince liked sex, what man does not, but he liked legal sex, he did make young women wait until they were 18 and I doubt he forced girls, they came to him. Okay Mayte, Anna and Carmen were 18/19, but so many of his other women were well into their 20s when he was in love and being physical with them (Susannah, Vanity, Judith, Bria, Manuela etc). He had some tendencies though, those darker songs like Xtra Lovable, Lust u always, and Big Tall Wall (About locking a girl up and making her love it), but We can Fuck is not, yes its graphic, but he is praising her and being positive, not calling her a hoe or a bitch like most of the shit hop and sexified R and B like R Kelly and Prince has never compared a girl to car (U remind me of my Jeep), plus Dave Chapelle did not do a scatalogical send up of his songs like he did with R Kelly and Prince never peed on no 15 year old girl. And why does he film himself sexing them and he has a Chicago and Atlanta compound for his bitches eached staffed by a boss bitch who instructs them on pleasing the singer.

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Plus even his rapiest and nastiest songs have some musicality about them, organs, drums, guitars and creamy vocals. Kelly's are all drum machines, and auto tuned singing and they are all complete shit.

.

Plus we need to look at the record, most of R Kelly's songs I have heard are either objectifying women and calling them hoes and bitches or about sexing them. The rest of his music is cheesy crap like Believe I can fly (Yuuucckkkkk), whereas Prince's music, for every song about nasty, freaky sex, there are 10 or more glorifying a woman's beauty, her brains or personality.

.

Also just because I listen to a song about Fucking or lust or graphic sex. Does not mean I objectify it, if anything I detest any thing that forces anyone into stuff they don't want to do and believe that all people (Not just women) should be loved and cherished. Sex should be beautiful and loving, not sleazy and violent. Songs like Lust u always and Xtralovable I hardly ever listening to, because those lines about rape and violence are truly sick in my opinion.

[Edited 7/21/17 4:30am]

What about Little Red Corvette?

That is additional, unless you count the line "Baby you're much 2 fast" as part of the car analogy. Also Prince is putting the moves on her, not the car.

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I think we should exclude the 1980 - 83 era, as it was the peak of R Kelly style aggressive sex musik.

Adorecream said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

What about Little Red Corvette?

That is additional, unless you count the line "Baby you're much 2 fast" as part of the car analogy. Also Prince is putting the moves on her, not the car.

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I think we should exclude the 1980 - 83 era, as it was the peak of R Kelly style aggressive sex musik.

You're a drama queen stop it. Only stupid people will act or behave based on what they listen to or watch in tv/ movies or internet. I watch several series about narcotrafico, and i'm not eager to join some drug cartel. Prince is part of that you critizice so much, it just happens that you love his music and you despise hip hop and all that. Black music has been singin about sex since forever, it was not that explicit as it is today. It was more "classy" but what's the difference, same message just different words.

laurarichardson said:

Adorecream said:

Prince went through a wild sexual phase about 1980 - 84 and some of the songs on DM, Controversy and 1999 are very sexually charged and lines like "I want to fuck the taste out of your mouth" are questionable along with the song Sister. But he was only 21 to 25 at the time, not in his 50s. By the time Prince was 50 he turned his back on lyrics that bordered on the rapine and was known for his holier than thou attitude.

.

The fact he repudiated all that racy stuff from 1998/99 onwards. shows how far he came. Prince may have approved of PR Deluxe, but we can fuck and those other songs were put on by Warners Execs, not Prince, if he was alive I would doubt we would be hearing those.

.

Prince liked sex, what man does not, but he liked legal sex, he did make young women wait until they were 18 and I doubt he forced girls, they came to him. Okay Mayte, Anna and Carmen were 18/19, but so many of his other women were well into their 20s when he was in love and being physical with them (Susannah, Vanity, Judith, Bria, Manuela etc). He had some tendencies though, those darker songs like Xtra Lovable, Lust u always, and Big Tall Wall (About locking a girl up and making her love it), but We can Fuck is not, yes its graphic, but he is praising her and being positive, not calling her a hoe or a bitch like most of the shit hop and sexified R and B like R Kelly and Prince has never compared a girl to car (U remind me of my Jeep), plus Dave Chapelle did not do a scatalogical send up of his songs like he did with R Kelly and Prince never peed on no 15 year old girl. And why does he film himself sexing them and he has a Chicago and Atlanta compound for his bitches eached staffed by a boss bitch who instructs them on pleasing the singer.

.

Plus even his rapiest and nastiest songs have some musicality about them, organs, drums, guitars and creamy vocals. Kelly's are all drum machines, and auto tuned singing and they are all complete shit.

.

Plus we need to look at the record, most of R Kelly's songs I have heard are either objectifying women and calling them hoes and bitches or about sexing them. The rest of his music is cheesy crap like Believe I can fly (Yuuucckkkkk), whereas Prince's music, for every song about nasty, freaky sex, there are 10 or more glorifying a woman's beauty, her brains or personality.

.

Also just because I listen to a song about Fucking or lust or graphic sex. Does not mean I objectify it, if anything I detest any thing that forces anyone into stuff they don't want to do and believe that all people (Not just women) should be loved and cherished. Sex should be beautiful and loving, not sleazy and violent. Songs like Lust u always and Xtralovable I hardly ever listening to, because those lines about rape and violence are truly sick in my opinion.

[Edited 7/21/17 4:30am]

I agree with you." Sex should be beautiful and loving, " I never got from Prince's music that he did not see it in that manner and he was not calling women "ho and bitches"

Not one women he dated has said he was abusive it seems he was a little harder on the wives but nothing about him forcing anyone to stay in a home and face the wall when other men come in the room. WTF

Sexy Motherfucker or Irresistible Bitch, i forgot it's different because when it comes to him is rather "classy" not vulgar.

214 said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

TrivialPursuit said:

laurarichardson said:

smoothcriminal12 said:

What about Little Red Corvette?

Whatp about it? He is telling the lady to slow down because she is moving to fast. Listen to the whole song.

So...he is comparing a woman to a car then?

TrivialPursuit said:

Okay, so I feel really guilty laughing because the R. Kelly cult situation is not the least bit funny, but this joke (or whatever it is) is really funny!

It always amazes me the hyprocrisy when it comes to certain celebrities over others. Some celebrities can do evil and questionable things and nothing is said about it but some celebrities literally cannot do anything without being questioned. The media never reminds the public about R.Kelly past scandals and dealings with other girls BUT they constantly pick apart other celebrities. I am not sure if this is true, I will wait for more information to come out but I wouldn't be surprised. I saw that sex tape and that IS him on that tape with that little girl, disgusting.

mjscarousal said:

It always amazes me the hyprocrisy when it comes to certain celebrities over others. Some celebrities can do evil and questionable things and nothing is said about it but some celebrities literally cannot do anything without being questioned. The media never reminds the public about R.Kelly past scandals and dealings with other girls BUT they constantly pick apart other celebrities. I am not sure if this is true, I will wait for more information to come out but I wouldn't be surprised. I saw that sex tape and that IS him on that tape with that little girl, disgusting.

Why did you watch such a thing? but you are right, when it comes to Michael Jackson even though he was proved to be innocent of all the charges, ten of them, the press would let him alone even after his passing, they are still trying to prove he was an child abuser.

But isn't there a question about the young women's ages?

If there's no underaged girls in this situation then there is no issue.

Adorecream said:

I agree they hold different artists to different standards. If this involved say Michael Jackson they would have splashed all over the media and he would have been pilloried for it. But R. Kelly gets a pass as he is macho and a so called mack, it barely registers a ripple.

I agree and this is largely because of the media. Perception is everything.

Some celebrities are literally treated like they walk on water.

CynicKill said:

But isn't there a question about the young women's ages?

If there's no underaged girls in this situation then there is no issue.

true,but just to be on the safe side,the cops should talk to these women and see what's going on here

SoulAlive said:

please,let's not bring up Prince in an R.Kelly thread.That just seems so wrong.Let's get back on topic.... soooo,have the Feds visited R.Kelly's home yet? I wonder if any of these young women are gonna file charges?

I'm SORRY, I really am. I sincerly love Prince and detest R. Kelly. I've read the articles about R. Kelly and believe every single word, but when I think about it honestly, I start to question the thin line between them.

BEFORE Prince Army slams me, I know Prince did not (to our knowledge) make any foul vidoes and apparently waited until the females had reached the age of consent; but you all don't find it a bit creepy that he displayed interest in young females when they were minors (Anna Garcia and Mayte.. hell, Prince was what 31 when he was calling and sending Mayte letters and his music; and she was 16) and formed an emotional bond and relationship with them; like maybe he was grooming them for a sexual relationship later? Like I said, I love Prince, but that is the one thing that causes me pause.

206Michelle said:

TrivialPursuit said:

Okay, so I feel really guilty laughing because the R. Kelly cult situation is not the least bit funny, but this joke (or whatever it is) is really funny!

Yeah, I thought it was kind of funny at first, until I remembered that it was an actual 14/15 year old girl that he was urinating on (was it her face or mouth), and that according to the reporter who wrote the articles about Kelly, how she had this distant, vacant look to her as he was abusing her. And that he NEVER was held accountable for his actions and that people refer to his underage victims as "fast" and "knew what they were doing"... kind of wasn't funny to me anymore.

[Edited 7/24/17 19:08pm]

That is the thing, some of these girls can become very well developed by 14, but mentally they are children. The average girlie he likes may be 14/15, but she has the body of an 18/19 year old and the brain of a 9 year old.

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Most of these men are cunning but not bright, as young girls grow up and once she reaches a mental age of about 16 or older, they stop playing the sexist alpha males games and leave him or he loses interest in her. In a way Prince grew out of Mayte and Anna when they grew up and got tired of his control and mind fuckery.

Well, nothing came out of the place they raided during his trial and they had found child pornography... so not surprised to hear that. The cult thing sounds so horrific, I hope it's not true though would not surprise me either. He had so much talent and fucked it up cause he has no self control and his ass should be in jail...

[Edited 7/25/17 6:57am]

Asenath0607 said:

SoulAlive said:

please,let's not bring up Prince in an R.Kelly thread.That just seems so wrong.Let's get back on topic.... soooo,have the Feds visited R.Kelly's home yet? I wonder if any of these young women are gonna file charges?

I'm SORRY, I really am. I sincerly love Prince and detest R. Kelly. I've read the articles about R. Kelly and believe every single word, but when I think about it honestly, I start to question the thin line between them.

BEFORE Prince Army slams me, I know Prince did not (to our knowledge) make any foul vidoes and apparently waited until the females had reached the age of consent; but you all don't find it a bit creepy that he displayed interest in young females when they were minors (Anna Garcia and Mayte.. hell, Prince was what 31 when he was calling and sending Mayte letters and his music; and she was 16) and formed an emotional bond and relationship with them; like maybe he was grooming them for a sexual relationship later? Like I said, I love Prince, but that is the one thing that causes me pause.

He should not have been speaking to them but speaking to them is way different then sleeping with them. Remember the age of consent in Europe is 16. If he was a pedophile he would not have waited until they were older and remember according to Anna he was the one pushing her away.

He also did not have anything beyond a professional relationship with Mayte until she was 19.

We have never heard any stories about him abusing women or forcing them to do anything.

Asenath0607 said:

laurarichardson said:

Asenath0607 said:

I'm SORRY, I really am. I sincerly love Prince and detest R. Kelly. I've read the articles about R. Kelly and believe every single word, but when I think about it honestly, I start to question the thin line between them.

BEFORE Prince Army slams me, I know Prince did not (to our knowledge) make any foul vidoes and apparently waited until the females had reached the age of consent; but you all don't find it a bit creepy that he displayed interest in young females when they were minors (Anna Garcia and Mayte.. hell, Prince was what 31 when he was calling and sending Mayte letters and his music; and she was 16) and formed an emotional bond and relationship with them; like maybe he was grooming them for a sexual relationship later? Like I said, I love Prince, but that is the one thing that causes me pause.

He should not have been speaking to them but speaking to them is way different then sleeping with them. Remember the age of consent in Europe is 16. If he was a pedophile he would not have waited until they were older and remember according to Anna he was the one pushing her away.

He also did not have anything beyond a professional relationship with Mayte until she was 19.

We have never heard any stories about him abusing women or forcing them to do anything.

I agree.

Didn't say that he was; just for me, always found that age gap off putting and odd.

If you believe her book: He was soon calling her every night and writing to her, saying in one note: 'U're so pretty. It cheers me up if someone tries to ruin my day. Many do ... Thank u 4 coming into my world.' The singer never denied that the occasional impure thought crossed his mind" writes Garcia, but the two "did not have a sexual relationship at the time".

That dosen't strictly read "professional relationship"; it conveys establishing a emotional bond and building the base of a relationship by calling every night. I understand that she indicated that he was sending her music, they were discussing the music, but every night just to have "professional" discussions?

Thanks for not biting off my head; much appreciated.

[Edited 7/25/17 14:39pm]

R. Kelly Struggling to Sell Tickets, Cancels 4 Shows

August 2017

Article

Asenath0607 said:

laurarichardson said:

He should not have been speaking to them but speaking to them is way different then sleeping with them. Remember the age of consent in Europe is 16. If he was a pedophile he would not have waited until they were older and remember according to Anna he was the one pushing her away.

He also did not have anything beyond a professional relationship with Mayte until she was 19.

We have never heard any stories about him abusing women or forcing them to do anything.

I agree.

Didn't say that he was; just for me, always found that age gap off putting and odd.

If you believe her book: He was soon calling her every night and writing to her, saying in one note: 'U're so pretty. It cheers me up if someone tries to ruin my day. Many do ... Thank u 4 coming into my world.' The singer never denied that the occasional impure thought crossed his mind" writes Garcia, but the two "did not have a sexual relationship at the time".

That dosen't strictly read "professional relationship"; it conveys establishing a emotional bond and building the base of a relationship by calling every night. I understand that she indicated that he was sending her music, they were discussing the music, but every night just to have "professional" discussions?

Thanks for not biting off my head; much appreciated.

[Edited 7/25/17 14:39pm]

He was getting to know her and it is obvious he liked her but he knew enough to leave it there until she was 19 a pedophile would not do any of that. I think Prince liked women period a like a lot of men having young girls who are easilty impressed with the attention he showered on them is a ego boost. Plus a lot of guys for some reaons never really see themselves in real time in the mirror. They think they never get old and of course they are never too fat or skinny. They see perfection with no shame in their game.

CynicKill said:

But isn't there a question about the young women's ages?

If there's no underaged girls in this situation then there is no issue.

Making some chick face a wall when other men enter the room. Isolating them from their families this is controlling at the extreme level.