Pokeno4Money said:

PennyPurple said:

Last summer my co-workers 84 year old mother was put on Ativan, 3 weeks later she stabbed herself in the neck and in the stomach with a butcher knife, on my friends lunch hour she went over to see her mom, and found her mother laying in bed, still alive. Her wounds could've been operated on, but her mother refused the surgeon to do anything, they had to put her in hospice care. These meds are making normal people kill themselves.

Ativan is the worst of the benzos. I have a couple family members who were on it, messed them up bad. So many better ways to deal with anxiety and depression, including all-natural methods.

I strongly encourage cardio exercise, it increases serotonine. The more, the better.

Yes it's a terrible drug.

MMJas said:

E319 said:

I haven't. Can you post a link or the details please? Thanks.

Edit: Nevermind, just googled it and read it.

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Sorry, just saw this. What did you make of it?

Well, I read the blind item on 2 different sites and that led me through a rabbit hole to some other site at fluttergirl.com where they were discussing Chris's wife way back in 2004 and someone who knew her was going on and on about what an evil, manipulative person she is and how Chris was in for a lot of trouble. This is way back in 2004 that these people were discussing this! Normally I don't like to read too much gossipy stuff but Cornell's death seems so "out of the blue" and strange that I can't help but dig deeper (and I'm a HUGE CC fan). I have no way of knowing what is actually true but I do find myself believing these reports about his wife. I wonder what was actually said during Chris's last telephone conversation with his wife. The toxicology reports show that he wasn't on any illegal drugs so my best guess is that the prescription drugs messed him up and maybe his wife said something or did something that set him off as well (pure speculation on my part). I still haven't finished reading the entire discussion at fluttergirl.com because it is extremely lengthy.

MMJas said:

cloveringold85 said:

The toxicology report was released yesterday, and I was very surprised to learn that drugs were not the cause of death.

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I find that perplexing because if he took an extra Ativan, which is known to cause suicidal thoughts; wouldn't that have been a contributing factor in his death?

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Very sad reading this, because it sounds eerily too similar to how Michael Hutchence died (hanging in hotel room), and while on-tour.

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http://www.nbcnews.com/po...is-n767921

Bullshit. That's Big Pharma washing their hands out of the whole business. So many questions also... What doctor prescribes such a strong anxiety medication to a former addict?

Did the bodyguard give him the medication?

If he gave him the anxiety medication, should we assume he carried all the other pills also?

Did Cornell really want to commit suicide and that's why he asked his bodyguard to fix the computer?

Why did it take so long from the time his wife hung up and calling the bodyguard to the latter getting into the room? It seems she did not call right away, then.

So tragic. So sad. People are dying from prescribed medication and everyone is turning a blind eye and attributing it to being a musician, an actor, whatever with issues. This is a real problem.
At my daughter's school, this teen who suffers from an eating disorder is popping anxiety pills like candy. My daughter has informed the teachers and asked that someone keeps an eye on the girl. They all reply that the medication has been prescribed and that surely the parents and the doctor knows what's going on. My daughter refused this and called me so I would call the mother and inform her about what was happening. While everyone is turning a blind eye and this girl is popping 8 pills a day, my daughter made her thrown up last friday and they finally got the girl committed to hospital so she can find some help. We have to work harder to ensure not so many people are put on this type of medication without a proper follow up and assistance.

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Good on your daughter for being vigilant - she may have saved that girl's life. I also knew a former addict who had heart surgery and afterwards got a presciption for xanax and he was super addicted to it. What are these doctors thinking!?!?

As for Chris - so the cause of death was hanging (duh), it's a shame that we may never know why he did it - but if he was not openly suicidal or deeply depressed and we know Ativan can cause this mental state then it'll just be our assumption that he acted under inlfuence of the Ativan etc. The increased consumption of prescription meds taken for lenghty periods of time is alarming. My friend's cousin died in her sleep attribted to an extra Ativan dosage coupled with some alcohol (people always think that taking more of anything will bring faster relief).


what a waste.

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MMJas said:

cloveringold85 said:

The toxicology report was released yesterday, and I was very surprised to learn that drugs were not the cause of death.

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I find that perplexing because if he took an extra Ativan, which is known to cause suicidal thoughts; wouldn't that have been a contributing factor in his death?

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Very sad reading this, because it sounds eerily too similar to how Michael Hutchence died (hanging in hotel room), and while on-tour.

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http://www.nbcnews.com/po...is-n767921

Bullshit. That's Big Pharma washing their hands out of the whole business. So many questions also... What doctor prescribes such a strong anxiety medication to a former addict?

Did the bodyguard give him the medication?

If he gave him the anxiety medication, should we assume he carried all the other pills also?

Did Cornell really want to commit suicide and that's why he asked his bodyguard to fix the computer?

Why did it take so long from the time his wife hung up and calling the bodyguard to the latter getting into the room? It seems she did not call right away, then.

So tragic. So sad. People are dying from prescribed medication and everyone is turning a blind eye and attributing it to being a musician, an actor, whatever with issues. This is a real problem.
At my daughter's school, this teen who suffers from an eating disorder is popping anxiety pills like candy. My daughter has informed the teachers and asked that someone keeps an eye on the girl. They all reply that the medication has been prescribed and that surely the parents and the doctor knows what's going on. My daughter refused this and called me so I would call the mother and inform her about what was happening. While everyone is turning a blind eye and this girl is popping 8 pills a day, my daughter made her thrown up last friday and they finally got the girl committed to hospital so she can find some help. We have to work harder to ensure not so many people are put on this type of medication without a proper follow up and assistance.

[Edited 6/5/17 4:01am]

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It sounds really messed-up, doesn't it? I guess the ME concluded that he didn't have enough Ativan in his system that would contribute to the suicidal thoughts?

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It is very sad and tragic, to say the least.

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That story about your daughter's schoolmate is just terrible! What the hell is going on in our society today? When I was a child, we weren't popping pills. It's just so out of control.

Pokeno4Money said:

cloveringold85 said:

The toxicology report was released yesterday, and I was very surprised to learn that drugs were not the cause of death.

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I find that perplexing because if he took an extra Ativan, which is known to cause suicidal thoughts; wouldn't that have been a contributing factor in his death?

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Very sad reading this, because it sounds eerily too similar to how Michael Hutchence died (hanging in hotel room), and while on-tour.

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http://www.nbcnews.com/po...is-n767921

Yeah I saw that too, it's a very very misleading determination. Yes technically it was the hanging, and not a drug overdose, that "caused" his death ... but obviously, something caused the decision to hang himself.

If he had shot himself, would the determination be "It was a bullet, and not a gun, that caused his death". Basically the same deal. Either way, very sad.

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I was very surprised to read this because one of the side-effects just happens to be "suicidal thoughts". If he had only picked up the phone and called 911, or if somebody else had, or his wife. I know she is in a lot of emotional pain now and feels tremendous guilt. Just so very sad and tragic.

PennyPurple said:

Last summer my co-workers 84 year old mother was put on Ativan, 3 weeks later she stabbed herself in the neck and in the stomach with a butcher knife, on my friends lunch hour she went over to see her mom, and found her mother laying in bed, still alive. Her wounds could've been operated on, but her mother refused the surgeon to do anything, they had to put her in hospice care. These meds are making normal people kill themselves.

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OMG! That is just horrible! Is she okay?

Well, but at the same time that Ativan could have increased suicidal thoughts, I never believed ONLY Ativan would do it if he was happy and well.

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E319 said:

MMJas said:

Sorry, just saw this. What did you make of it?

Well, I read the blind item on 2 different sites and that led me through a rabbit hole to some other site at fluttergirl.com where they were discussing Chris's wife way back in 2004 and someone who knew her was going on and on about what an evil, manipulative person she is and how Chris was in for a lot of trouble. This is way back in 2004 that these people were discussing this! Normally I don't like to read too much gossipy stuff but Cornell's death seems so "out of the blue" and strange that I can't help but dig deeper (and I'm a HUGE CC fan). I have no way of knowing what is actually true but I do find myself believing these reports about his wife. I wonder what was actually said during Chris's last telephone conversation with his wife. The toxicology reports show that he wasn't on any illegal drugs so my best guess is that the prescription drugs messed him up and maybe his wife said something or did something that set him off as well (pure speculation on my part). I still haven't finished reading the entire discussion at fluttergirl.com because it is extremely lengthy.

There's a lot of unanswered questions on this. It sure seems he was in a very manipulative relationship. What makes me believe that even more is the letter she wrote in honour of him. It was self serving as hell. Stuff like "you said I saved you" without a follow up about HIS strenght, HIS willingness ans ability to overcome his demons, etc. It was all about her and it sounded guilty. I do think she said something that triggered his reaction. I read that he was seeing someone else. I read he was unhappy. I listened to Higher Truth and it's all about falling for the same mistake again, being tricked, feeling trapped. "Nearly Forgot My Broken Heart" and "Murderer of Blue Skies" are clear examples of that. He was not in a happy place.

Also, there's a Chris Cornell relative's letter going around stating that Vicky controlled him and made him leave his family and friends. Eddie Vedder did not attend for a reason. He did not even engage in Vicky and her mother's online rants and hate speech. They seem guilty, domineering and controlling.

I read she told him she would leave with the kids and make his life hell. If we look at what she did to his ex, this is scary shit. That woman was nearly broke when she finished with her. His first daughter's wife and he allowed that?
What about the timeline? Something does not make sense here. If she spoke with him and he was slurring his speech and even hung up on her, why did she not call the bodyguard immediately? There's no way he would have had time to hang himself in that time frame. No way. She left it too late. And why did he have 7 broken ribs? I know it happens when CPR is administered, but not 7! Usually 2 or 3, from what I've gathered.
So yes, too many questions are left unanswered. To me he was a high functioning depressive, getting things done, making sure everything looked alright, providing for his family, touring and worrying about stuff not being perfect. And then something triggered him. The pills, combined with his already depressive predisposition, being pissed at the tech for sound problems, etc. And he seemed to already been abusing those pills for a bit, cause I saw footage from earlier Soundgarden shows, around 2016 I reckon, and his voice was all over the place...

[Edited 6/7/17 2:07am]

MMJas said:

E319 said:

Well, I read the blind item on 2 different sites and that led me through a rabbit hole to some other site at fluttergirl.com where they were discussing Chris's wife way back in 2004 and someone who knew her was going on and on about what an evil, manipulative person she is and how Chris was in for a lot of trouble. This is way back in 2004 that these people were discussing this! Normally I don't like to read too much gossipy stuff but Cornell's death seems so "out of the blue" and strange that I can't help but dig deeper (and I'm a HUGE CC fan). I have no way of knowing what is actually true but I do find myself believing these reports about his wife. I wonder what was actually said during Chris's last telephone conversation with his wife. The toxicology reports show that he wasn't on any illegal drugs so my best guess is that the prescription drugs messed him up and maybe his wife said something or did something that set him off as well (pure speculation on my part). I still haven't finished reading the entire discussion at fluttergirl.com because it is extremely lengthy.

There's a lot of unanswered questions on this. It sure seems he was in a very manipulative relationship. What makes me believe that even more is the letter she wrote in honour of him. It was self serving as hell. Stuff like "you said I saved you" without a follow up about HIS strenght, HIS willingness ans ability to overcome his demons, etc. It was all about her and it sounded guilty. I do think she said something that triggered his reaction. I read that he was seeing someone else. I read he was unhappy. I listened to Higher Truth and it's all about falling for the same mistake again, being tricked, feeling trapped. "Nearly Forgot My Broken Heart" and "Murderer of Blue Skies" are clear examples of that. He was not in a happy place.

Also, there's a Chris Cornell relative's letter going around stating that Vicky controlled him and made him leave his family and friends. Eddie Vedder did not attend for a reason. He did not even engage in Vicky and her mother's online rants and hate speech. They seem guilty, domineering and controlling.

I read she told him she would leave with the kids and make his life hell. If we look at what she did to his ex, this is scary shit. That woman was nearly broke when she finished with her. His first daughter's wife and he allowed that?
What about the timeline? Something does not make sense here. If she spoke with him and he was slurring his speech and even hung up on her, why did she not call the bodyguard immediately? There's no way he would have had time to hang himself in that time frame. No way. She left it too late. And why did he have 7 broken ribs? I know it happens when CPR is administered, but not 7! Usually 2 or 3, from what I've gathered.
So yes, too many questions are left unanswered. To me he was a high functioning depressive, getting things done, making sure everything looked alright, providing for his family, touring and worrying about stuff not being perfect. And then something triggered him. The pills, combined with his already depressive predisposition, being pissed at the tech for sound problems, etc. And he seemed to already been abusing those pills for a bit, cause I saw footage from earlier Soundgarden shows, around 2016 I reckon, and his voice was all over the place...

[Edited 6/7/17 2:07am]

Interesting. I hadn't thought about the lyrics for "Nearly Forgot My Broken Heart," guess because I've heard the "Higher Truth" album a bunch of times since it came out and never even thought about any issues between Chris and his wife until his death... And I always assumed "Murderer of Blue Skies" was probably about his first wife or some past relationship, but now it IS interesting to wonder if he was speaking about his current marriage... And have you seen the video for "Nearly Forgot My Broken Heart?" In the video he is set to be hung by a noose but is rescued in the end. Pretty strange coincidence. I haven't heard about that letter from a relative that you say is going around. Can you let me know where I can read it?

E319 said:

MMJas said:

There's a lot of unanswered questions on this. It sure seems he was in a very manipulative relationship. What makes me believe that even more is the letter she wrote in honour of him. It was self serving as hell. Stuff like "you said I saved you" without a follow up about HIS strenght, HIS willingness ans ability to overcome his demons, etc. It was all about her and it sounded guilty. I do think she said something that triggered his reaction. I read that he was seeing someone else. I read he was unhappy. I listened to Higher Truth and it's all about falling for the same mistake again, being tricked, feeling trapped. "Nearly Forgot My Broken Heart" and "Murderer of Blue Skies" are clear examples of that. He was not in a happy place.

Also, there's a Chris Cornell relative's letter going around stating that Vicky controlled him and made him leave his family and friends. Eddie Vedder did not attend for a reason. He did not even engage in Vicky and her mother's online rants and hate speech. They seem guilty, domineering and controlling.

I read she told him she would leave with the kids and make his life hell. If we look at what she did to his ex, this is scary shit. That woman was nearly broke when she finished with her. His first daughter's wife and he allowed that?
What about the timeline? Something does not make sense here. If she spoke with him and he was slurring his speech and even hung up on her, why did she not call the bodyguard immediately? There's no way he would have had time to hang himself in that time frame. No way. She left it too late. And why did he have 7 broken ribs? I know it happens when CPR is administered, but not 7! Usually 2 or 3, from what I've gathered.
So yes, too many questions are left unanswered. To me he was a high functioning depressive, getting things done, making sure everything looked alright, providing for his family, touring and worrying about stuff not being perfect. And then something triggered him. The pills, combined with his already depressive predisposition, being pissed at the tech for sound problems, etc. And he seemed to already been abusing those pills for a bit, cause I saw footage from earlier Soundgarden shows, around 2016 I reckon, and his voice was all over the place...

[Edited 6/7/17 2:07am]

Interesting. I hadn't thought about the lyrics for "Nearly Forgot My Broken Heart," guess because I've heard the "Higher Truth" album a bunch of times since it came out and never even thought about any issues between Chris and his wife until his death... And I always assumed "Murderer of Blue Skies" was probably about his first wife or some past relationship, but now it IS interesting to wonder if he was speaking about his current marriage... And have you seen the video for "Nearly Forgot My Broken Heart?" In the video he is set to be hung by a noose but is rescued in the end. Pretty strange coincidence. I haven't heard about that letter from a relative that you say is going around. Can you let me know where I can read it?

Yes, regarding the video. I find those coincidences quite disturbing, actually, just like the many coincidences surrounding Prince's own death.
Regarding the letter: it was a comment posted by a realtive of Chris Cornell on a youtube video. Here's the link to the video where the comment was posted:

https://www.youtube.com/w...necu8rgggo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7elAoh8LJ4

Also, being that you are a big fan, like I am, do you honestly think Cornell would have wanted his ashes to be buried in a Hollywood Cemitery? Plus, I read somewhere that he bought the plot in January 2017???

MMJas said:

E319 said:

Interesting. I hadn't thought about the lyrics for "Nearly Forgot My Broken Heart," guess because I've heard the "Higher Truth" album a bunch of times since it came out and never even thought about any issues between Chris and his wife until his death... And I always assumed "Murderer of Blue Skies" was probably about his first wife or some past relationship, but now it IS interesting to wonder if he was speaking about his current marriage... And have you seen the video for "Nearly Forgot My Broken Heart?" In the video he is set to be hung by a noose but is rescued in the end. Pretty strange coincidence. I haven't heard about that letter from a relative that you say is going around. Can you let me know where I can read it?

Yes, regarding the video. I find those coincidences quite disturbing, actually, just like the many coincidences surrounding Prince's own death.
Regarding the letter: it was a comment posted by a realtive of Chris Cornell on a youtube video. Here's the link to the video where the comment was posted:

https://www.youtube.com/w...necu8rgggo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7elAoh8LJ4

Also, being that you are a big fan, like I am, do you honestly think Cornell would have wanted his ashes to be buried in a Hollywood Cemitery? Plus, I read somewhere that he bought the plot in January 2017???

Thank you for posting those links. Everything I keep reading keeps coming to more or less the same conclusion. I think a lot of this will come out in the public eye in the future. People won't stay quiet forever and the truth will come out. It all makes sense...how CC, coming from his messed up past and with his issues, could have gotten involved with the wrong woman who was really messing him up and the thought of losing his kids, going through a nasty divorce, or whatever else she was doing to him would have pushed him over the edge. The wife and mother-in-law definitely seems shady and money-hungry/materialistic. Hopefully the truth will eventually come out. Thanks for the links MMJas!

GustavoRibas said:

Well, but at the same time that Ativan could have increased suicidal thoughts, I never believed ONLY Ativan would do it if he was happy and well.

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he had other stuff in his system... maybe the cocktail of it affected him?

i was saying that was my first thought, but they sliced me up like a thanksgiving turky.

E319 said:

MMJas said:

Sorry, just saw this. What did you make of it?

Well, I read the blind item on 2 different sites and that led me through a rabbit hole to some other site at fluttergirl.com where they were discussing Chris's wife way back in 2004 and someone who knew her was going on and on about what an evil, manipulative person she is and how Chris was in for a lot of trouble. This is way back in 2004 that these people were discussing this! Normally I don't like to read too much gossipy stuff but Cornell's death seems so "out of the blue" and strange that I can't help but dig deeper (and I'm a HUGE CC fan). I have no way of knowing what is actually true but I do find myself believing these reports about his wife. I wonder what was actually said during Chris's last telephone conversation with his wife. The toxicology reports show that he wasn't on any illegal drugs so my best guess is that the prescription drugs messed him up and maybe his wife said something or did something that set him off as well (pure speculation on my part). I still haven't finished reading the entire discussion at fluttergirl.com because it is extremely lengthy.

E319 said:

MMJas said:

Yes, regarding the video. I find those coincidences quite disturbing, actually, just like the many coincidences surrounding Prince's own death.
Regarding the letter: it was a comment posted by a realtive of Chris Cornell on a youtube video. Here's the link to the video where the comment was posted:

https://www.youtube.com/w...necu8rgggo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7elAoh8LJ4

Also, being that you are a big fan, like I am, do you honestly think Cornell would have wanted his ashes to be buried in a Hollywood Cemitery? Plus, I read somewhere that he bought the plot in January 2017???

Thank you for posting those links. Everything I keep reading keeps coming to more or less the same conclusion. I think a lot of this will come out in the public eye in the future. People won't stay quiet forever and the truth will come out. It all makes sense...how CC, coming from his messed up past and with his issues, could have gotten involved with the wrong woman who was really messing him up and the thought of losing his kids, going through a nasty divorce, or whatever else she was doing to him would have pushed him over the edge. The wife and mother-in-law definitely seems shady and money-hungry/materialistic. Hopefully the truth will eventually come out. Thanks for the links MMJas!

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This is all just so heartbreaking! What a terrible tragedy!

E319 said:

MMJas said:

Yes, regarding the video. I find those coincidences quite disturbing, actually, just like the many coincidences surrounding Prince's own death.
Regarding the letter: it was a comment posted by a realtive of Chris Cornell on a youtube video. Here's the link to the video where the comment was posted:

https://www.youtube.com/w...necu8rgggo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7elAoh8LJ4

Also, being that you are a big fan, like I am, do you honestly think Cornell would have wanted his ashes to be buried in a Hollywood Cemitery? Plus, I read somewhere that he bought the plot in January 2017???

Thank you for posting those links. Everything I keep reading keeps coming to more or less the same conclusion. I think a lot of this will come out in the public eye in the future. People won't stay quiet forever and the truth will come out. It all makes sense...how CC, coming from his messed up past and with his issues, could have gotten involved with the wrong woman who was really messing him up and the thought of losing his kids, going through a nasty divorce, or whatever else she was doing to him would have pushed him over the edge. The wife and mother-in-law definitely seems shady and money-hungry/materialistic. Hopefully the truth will eventually come out. Thanks for the links MMJas!

You're welcome.

PeteSilas said:

i was saying that was my first thought, but they sliced me up like a thanksgiving turky.

E319 said:

Well, I read the blind item on 2 different sites and that led me through a rabbit hole to some other site at fluttergirl.com where they were discussing Chris's wife way back in 2004 and someone who knew her was going on and on about what an evil, manipulative person she is and how Chris was in for a lot of trouble. This is way back in 2004 that these people were discussing this! Normally I don't like to read too much gossipy stuff but Cornell's death seems so "out of the blue" and strange that I can't help but dig deeper (and I'm a HUGE CC fan). I have no way of knowing what is actually true but I do find myself believing these reports about his wife. I wonder what was actually said during Chris's last telephone conversation with his wife. The toxicology reports show that he wasn't on any illegal drugs so my best guess is that the prescription drugs messed him up and maybe his wife said something or did something that set him off as well (pure speculation on my part). I still haven't finished reading the entire discussion at fluttergirl.com because it is extremely lengthy.

- Pete, I admit I was one of these people, and I apologize. But the difference is that E319 and MMJas came with more evidences of it. Your first comments were more generic, like all women were manipulative, etc. The other comments show info from other sources and now it makes sense that this is very likely that his wife and mother were very manipulative indeed.

GustavoRibas said:

PeteSilas said:

i was saying that was my first thought, but they sliced me up like a thanksgiving turky.

- Pete, I admit I was one of these people, and I apologize. But the difference is that E319 and MMJas came with more evidences of it. Your first comments were more generic, like all women were manipulative, etc. The other comments show info from other sources and now it makes sense that this is very likely that his wife and mother were very manipulative indeed.

it's cool, it was my hunch that was all.

PeteSilas said:

GustavoRibas said:

- Pete, I admit I was one of these people, and I apologize. But the difference is that E319 and MMJas came with more evidences of it. Your first comments were more generic, like all women were manipulative, etc. The other comments show info from other sources and now it makes sense that this is very likely that his wife and mother were very manipulative indeed.

it's cool, it was my hunch that was all.

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Not all women are spiteful, manipulative bitches. If his wife was really like this, then that just makes this even more heartbreaking.

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Sadly, a lot of men only look at women from a visual perspective, and not their character. "Some" men, not all.

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It works the other way too.

I hate to judge people - I believe it´s wrong - and first I stayed on Vicky´s side, because she seemed so concerned about him, to save him, and, later, to discover the truth. But those comments from E319 and MMJas made sense to me.

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Chris Cornell seemed to be a very simple guy. A typical jeans and Tshirt person. And, when I look at his pics with his family, it seems he doesnt belong in that kind of Hollywood thing. If even Prince wouldnt embrace that fully, imagine Chris.

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Maybe he loved her so much that he changed his lifestyle because of her, but I think it´s strange indeed to see him in that scenario.

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PeteSilas said:

GustavoRibas said:

- Pete, I admit I was one of these people, and I apologize. But the difference is that E319 and MMJas came with more evidences of it. Your first comments were more generic, like all women were manipulative, etc. The other comments show info from other sources and now it makes sense that this is very likely that his wife and mother were very manipulative indeed.

it's cool, it was my hunch that was all.

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Pete: It wasn't so much "what" you said, but "how" you said it. You said something along the lines......"she (wife) probably drove him to do it", and you were stereotyping women, and that is what upset me and others.

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Now that more of the facts are coming out, I can see he (Chris) was in a troubled marriage. And, that makes what happened to him even more heartbreaking.

cloveringold85 said:

PeteSilas said:

it's cool, it was my hunch that was all.

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Pete: It wasn't so much "what" you said, but "how" you said it. You said something along the lines......"she (wife) probably drove him to do it", and you were stereotyping women, and that is what upset me and others.

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Now that more of the facts are coming out, I can see he (Chris) was in a troubled marriage. And, that makes what happened to him even more heartbreaking.

ok but you've got to understand the times we're living in, men aren't really men anymore and moreover, you have to understand the field he's in where sheisty, greedy, moneygrubbing women are going to be everywhere throwing themselves at a man. It's not really her fault though, it's his, it's his own weakness with relationships and his own actions that killed him.

The times are fucked, there aren't any women around that i've seen who are like the women i revered when i was younger. Not many of them anyway, i've come across a couple who i was stupid and damaged enough to let slip away, but most of the women i've fell for are pretty damned nasty. And the couples i see the man has to really cower to make the relationship even functional, i think it's by social design myself. Weak men are easier to use for society and are less likely to fight and also, having people at each other's throats benefits the elite.

PeteSilas said:

cloveringold85 said:

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Pete: It wasn't so much "what" you said, but "how" you said it. You said something along the lines......"she (wife) probably drove him to do it", and you were stereotyping women, and that is what upset me and others.

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Now that more of the facts are coming out, I can see he (Chris) was in a troubled marriage. And, that makes what happened to him even more heartbreaking.

ok but you've got to understand the times we're living in, men aren't really men anymore and moreover, you have to understand the field he's in where sheisty, greedy, moneygrubbing women are going to be everywhere throwing themselves at a man. It's not really her fault though, it's his, it's his own weakness with relationships and his own actions that killed him.

The times are fucked, there aren't any women around that i've seen who are like the women i revered when i was younger. Not many of them anyway, i've come across a couple who i was stupid and damaged enough to let slip away, but most of the women i've fell for are pretty damned nasty. And the couples i see the man has to really cower to make the relationship even functional, i think it's by social design myself. Weak men are easier to use for society and are less likely to fight and also, having people at each other's throats benefits the elite.

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I understand what you are saying. I have witnessed a lot of good marriages and a lot of bad one's too. I think to err is human. We, as humans are ALL flawed. There is good and bad in both sexes. I know women who had terrible relationships/marriages and gave up on dating and men, based on their bad experiences. I see men who use woman as sex objects and trophy wives, and the women exploit themselves and don't care -- they only care about the money, the lifestyle, etc. Personally, I don't condone that type of behavior.

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Sadly, Chris Cornell got mixed up with the wrong women.

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I agree; these times are fvcked. I would not want to be a teenager growing up in this society, no thanks.

living colour tribute

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM_KDrEKQpM

luvsexy4all said:

living colour tribute

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WM_KDrEKQpM

They are great. My fave band

I believe both Vicky and her mother are very manipulative indeed. It sure seems CC wanted out of that marriage and they were not having it. His MIL is scary manipulative. His wife's letter was undoubtedly self serving, like they want to try their hardest not to let people know it wasn't the perfect marriage they are portraying it to be. And Eddie not going to the funeral spoke volumes to me.

What do you guys make of the family's decision to take down his last video off YouTube?

MMJas said:

What do you guys make of the family's decision to take down his last video off YouTube?

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- I am not aware of it. Which video? The last concert in Detroit footage?

GustavoRibas said:

MMJas said:

What do you guys make of the family's decision to take down his last video off YouTube?

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- I am not aware of it. Which video? The last concert in Detroit footage?

No, his official video for Nearly Forgot My Broken Heart.

I find it sad that people who have no personal knowledge of this situation are making it a point to assign blame and responsibility according to how they would prefer to see it going down. If the wife was bad then Chris was good. If the wife is good then Chris must be bad, but I don't want to think about him being bad, so let's blame the wife. Let's blame the band. Let's blame his doctor. Let's do anything to avoid thinking that yes he really did kill himself with no help.

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I didn't know Chis personally but several of my friends did and all the way back to the 90s, the story was that he was a good guy who suffered from pretty bad depression and alcoholism.

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I have been kind of distraught since his death, as someone I respected a lot who came from kind of the same place I did musically. Maybe if the blame game helps people feel better it's necessary. But let's not overdo the mental gymnastics to make the events fit into a narrative. Suicide is a horrible thing to contemplate and it hurts. Partly because you want to protect these vulnerable people from harm and the thing that is harming them, is something that can't be taken away.

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RIP Chris and peace to all of you.

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bobzilla77 said:

I find it kinda sick that people who have no personal knowledge of this situation are making it a point to assign blame and responsibility according to how they would prefer to see it going down. If the wife was bad then Chris was good. If the wife is good then Chris must be bad, but I don't want to think about him being bad, so let's blame the wife. Let's blame the band. Let's blame his doctor. Let's do anything to avoid thinking that yes he really did kill himself of his own will.

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I didn't know Chis personally but several of my friends did and all the way back to the 90s, the story was that he was a good guy who suffered from pretty bad depression and alcoholism.

Not assigning blame, merely trying to understand how this tragedy happened. Yes, Chris Cornell suffered from depression, alcoholism and drug abuse. Apparently he was no longer drinking and he did not take any illegal drugs, merely prescricption drugs, his toxicology report states exactly that. Just trying to figure out what might have led him to commit suicide when apparently (emphasis on the word apparently) he had gone through the worst of his depression and was now a happily married man with three kids. He was no longer drinking nor taking drugs. Why was he prescribed such powerful ansiolitics when he was a former addict? Why was the bodyguard in charge of those pills, for safe taking? Why did his wife write such a selfserving letter, talking mainly about how she "saved" him?
I'm a big fan. Ultimately, we are merely speculation, on a board about Prince who also died because of medication. Who, in my opinion, also suffered from depression. But that's just my personal view. Not blaming anyone, merely discussing things. Are you aware of the rumours that CC was miserable and living a pretense life, that he was seeing someone else, etc? These are rumours and we are discussing them. You are not in any way obliged to read them, agree with them or even reply.

I blame chris, not the woman. You know, a snake is a snake and you can't change them, you also can't blame a snake when it acts like a snake. What you can do is not allow a snake into your life and you have to set boundaries but some people are too codependent for that. Maybe I'm just unusual but I went through it a few times and learned that when someone is trying to just bring you down there is no negotiating it, you just have to cut them off. Like I said, seen it a million times, the back and forth dynamic, the love/hate, the breakup/makeup over and over again all because a man is too weak to just cut them off. I personally hate those kinds of musicians because i've known so many of them. Now, i know chris was a nice guy but most of these idiots that I've known aren't. they let the girl run them around, can't go anywhere without them, do the drink and drugs but the one area they want to be halfway hardheaded about is music. They are pussywhipped, drug addicted but they don't want to be told by someone else how to play an instrument. Don't want to have someone telling them that they need to be on time etc.., So the little piece that's left of them that wants to be a man I have had to deal with. Incidentally, guys like that go nowhere, I knew a guy who I tried to see what he was up to these days, I wasn't happy to find out he was dead. I haven't been able to find out the cause but I would guess an OD. I still remember when we'd argue about everything, but his girlfriend ran him around like a puppy, in fact they named the band "whipped" after how she treated him. I wasn't happy to see that he was dead but I just look back and wonder why the hell was it so hard to see where it would end. Also, the Seattle scene at that time in the 90's was all about sloppiness, in your dress, in your stage act, in your music and in your life. Those people were all pretty self-destructive. Recently I've been watching a great documentary on The Gits, the lead singer was murdered in 93 when they were on the cusp of signing with a major. She got drunk and got herself murdered walking home at 200 am. That whole style of music was always self destructive and not only self destructive but they glamourized the shit.

bobzilla77 said:

I find it sad that people who have no personal knowledge of this situation are making it a point to assign blame and responsibility according to how they would prefer to see it going down. If the wife was bad then Chris was good. If the wife is good then Chris must be bad, but I don't want to think about him being bad, so let's blame the wife. Let's blame the band. Let's blame his doctor. Let's do anything to avoid thinking that yes he really did kill himself with no help.

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I didn't know Chis personally but several of my friends did and all the way back to the 90s, the story was that he was a good guy who suffered from pretty bad depression and alcoholism.

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I have been kind of distraught since his death, as someone I respected a lot who came from kind of the same place I did musically. Maybe if the blame game helps people feel better it's necessary. But let's not overdo the mental gymnastics to make the events fit into a narrative. Suicide is a horrible thing to contemplate and it hurts. Partly because you want to protect these vulnerable people from harm and the thing that is harming them, is something that can't be taken away.

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RIP Chris and peace to all of you.

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