DaveT said:

I think people are moving more into the experiemental zone, especially rap music even. There is alot more mood synths being moved on, some choruses even dropping whole drum tracks like "Damn Baby" by Janet and "Bon Apetit" by Katy Perry.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8yix8PZKlw[/youtbe]

Madonna did this type of material and sound with Ray Of Light, and was very successful with it. People just catching up with it now.

paisleypark4 said:

I think people are moving more into the experiemental zone, especially rap music even. There is alot more mood synths being moved on, some choruses even dropping whole drum tracks like "Damn Baby" by Janet and "Bon Apetit" by Katy Perry.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8yix8PZKlw[/youtbe]

Madonna did this type of material and sound with Ray Of Light, and was very successful with it. People just catching up with it now.

Katy Perry is doing house music.

ROL was very pointed in what it did. Ørbit really put his signature on it, Madonna's voice was in wonderful shape after the training for EVITA, the lyrics were personal and the textures rich. There were no gimmicks or gotchas.

The vuvuzela-esque party horn on "Unapologetic Bitch" is so fucking dated and hackneyed. We were hearing that shit in goofy-ass songs 20 years ago or more. Now she thinks it's fresh or forward thinking? RH is thin, desperate, disconnected, and damn near unlistenable. For me, it's in the bottom 3 along with Hard Candy and American Life.

datdude said:

TrivialPursuit said:

paisleypark4 said:

I think people are moving more into the experiemental zone, especially rap music even. There is alot more mood synths being moved on, some choruses even dropping whole drum tracks like "Damn Baby" by Janet and "Bon Apetit" by Katy Perry.

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8yix8PZKlw[/youtbe]

Madonna did this type of material and sound with Ray Of Light, and was very successful with it. People just catching up with it now.

Katy Perry is doing house music.

ROL was very pointed in what it did. Ørbit really put his signature on it, Madonna's voice was in wonderful shape after the training for EVITA, the lyrics were personal and the textures rich. There were no gimmicks or gotchas.

The vuvuzela-esque party horn on "Unapologetic Bitch" is so fucking dated and hackneyed. We were hearing that shit in goofy-ass songs 20 years ago or more. Now she thinks it's fresh or forward thinking? RH is thin, desperate, disconnected, and damn near unlistenable. For me, it's in the bottom 3 along with Hard Candy and American Life.

LOL. Hard Candy imo was at least more calculated thought out and catchy than anything on American Life. Rebel Heart was better than MDNA in my opinion. Unapologetic Bitch production was not the grandest, I more so like the lyrics discussing her ex boyfriend. It wasnt stale like Bitch Im Madonna or Icon. The quasi reggae thing just didnt work for me on Unapologetic, but it was at least personal. I agree on Ray Of Light.

ray of light's b-side 'has to be' is better than about 90% of what she put
on her albums after that.

not saying i haven't enjoyed her albums or thought some of the songs on
them were pretty much terrific.

just saying that she was at the zenith of her creativity at that point. she's
had moments after that, but never again for a full album.

datdude said:

not a fan, but she milks her shit dry. her fans have their collections complete

It's actually the opposite. Because Madonna is always moving forward she doesn't release that many special box sets or anniversary albums of her older stuff. In fact, a lot of fans complain about this, that she is ignoring her legacy. There are collectors that would love for her to rerelease her older stuff in special packages.

She doesn't release remastered versions of her albums on anniversaries like a lot of artists do.

Look at someone like Bjork. She had a hugely expensive box set filled with mostly previously released stuff although it did have beautiful new artwork. She is someone who milks her fans dry. Madonna really doesn't.

Madonna performing the song "Rebel Heart" from the Showtime TV special

SoulAlive said:

Madonna performing the song "Rebel Heart" from the Showtime TV special

Don't have Showtime; that's why I need this on DVD.

Glindathegood said:

datdude said:

not a fan, but she milks her shit dry. her fans have their collections complete

It's actually the opposite. Because Madonna is always moving forward she doesn't release that many special box sets or anniversary albums of her older stuff. In fact, a lot of fans complain about this, that she is ignoring her legacy. There are collectors that would love for her to rerelease her older stuff in special packages.

She doesn't release remastered versions of her albums on anniversaries like a lot of artists do.

Look at someone like Bjork. She had a hugely expensive box set filled with mostly previously released stuff although it did have beautiful new artwork. She is someone who milks her fans dry. Madonna really doesn't.

The remasters stopped at True Blue ... don't even get me started on this! Like A Prayer remaster is probably the most overdue remaster ever when you think of the great albums of all time that have yet to receive the treatment.

DaveT said:

The remasters stopped at True Blue ... don't even get me started on this! Like A Prayer remaster is probably the most overdue remaster ever when you think of the great albums of all time that have yet to receive the treatment.

I guess I'm not an audophile, because I don't get the craze for remastering old albums? Why do people want to buy the same music they already have? I never notice any huge difference in the sound. Now if the remastered album is released with songs that weren't included on the original album then that's something worth getting.

DaveT said:

The remasters stopped at True Blue ... don't even get me started on this! Like A Prayer remaster is probably the most overdue remaster ever when you think of the great albums of all time that have yet to receive the treatment.

Agreed. And even though Erotica purposely had a grittier sound, it could still benefit from a proper remaster. Plus, there are so many great extras for that, like the popular "Fever" remix, "You Thrill Me", etc to be added on. She could put The Rain Tapes bootleg to shame if she put out the real deal.

As far as Like A Prayer, there is a good 2-disks worth of extras to put on there. Remixes of the singles (which are all just stellar), any outtake, and another Blond Ambition Tour concert would be cool. Nice is out on LD, and other pro recordings have leaked. But give us something we've not seen. Hell, even Truth or Dare/In Bed With Madonna could use another hour or 90 minutes of unseen footage shot for the final product.

If they can squeeze out another movie with Grey Gardens, then surely Madge has some more goodies in there.

With the first three remasters, the extras were shitty at best. There was more to offer, even on one disk. But the sound is stellar.

Glindathegood said:

DaveT said:

The remasters stopped at True Blue ... don't even get me started on this! Like A Prayer remaster is probably the most overdue remaster ever when you think of the great albums of all time that have yet to receive the treatment.

I guess I'm not an audophile, because I don't get the craze for remastering old albums? Why do people want to buy the same music they already have? I never notice any huge difference in the sound. Now if the remastered album is released with songs that weren't included on the original album then that's something worth getting.

I'm not a huge audio geek either, but I found the difference between my original Madonna CD's and the remastered early albums to be night and day ... True Blue is one of my all time fave albums and the remaster was like hearing it for the first time again; the drums on Open Your Heart alone were stunning, pounding along rather than the tinny, flat sounding beat I'd always heard before.

TrivialPursuit said:

DaveT said:

The remasters stopped at True Blue ... don't even get me started on this! Like A Prayer remaster is probably the most overdue remaster ever when you think of the great albums of all time that have yet to receive the treatment.

Agreed. And even though Erotica purposely had a grittier sound, it could still benefit from a proper remaster. Plus, there are so many great extras for that, like the popular "Fever" remix, "You Thrill Me", etc to be added on. She could put The Rain Tapes bootleg to shame if she put out the real deal.

As far as Like A Prayer, there is a good 2-disks worth of extras to put on there. Remixes of the singles (which are all just stellar), any outtake, and another Blond Ambition Tour concert would be cool. Nice is out on LD, and other pro recordings have leaked. But give us something we've not seen. Hell, even Truth or Dare/In Bed With Madonna could use another hour or 90 minutes of unseen footage shot for the final product.

If they can squeeze out another movie with Grey Gardens, then surely Madge has some more goodies in there.

With the first three remasters, the extras were shitty at best. There was more to offer, even on one disk. But the sound is stellar.

An additional disc of extras on LAP and Erotica would be the icing on the cake. As you said, so much material kicking around, they could be amazing! M has never given her back catalogue much attention though ... I hope she changes this attitude one day, but I can't see it.

DaveT said:

TrivialPursuit said:

Agreed. And even though Erotica purposely had a grittier sound, it could still benefit from a proper remaster. Plus, there are so many great extras for that, like the popular "Fever" remix, "You Thrill Me", etc to be added on. She could put The Rain Tapes bootleg to shame if she put out the real deal.

As far as Like A Prayer, there is a good 2-disks worth of extras to put on there. Remixes of the singles (which are all just stellar), any outtake, and another Blond Ambition Tour concert would be cool. Nice is out on LD, and other pro recordings have leaked. But give us something we've not seen. Hell, even Truth or Dare/In Bed With Madonna could use another hour or 90 minutes of unseen footage shot for the final product.

If they can squeeze out another movie with Grey Gardens, then surely Madge has some more goodies in there.

With the first three remasters, the extras were shitty at best. There was more to offer, even on one disk. But the sound is stellar.

An additional disc of extras on LAP and Erotica would be the icing on the cake. As you said, so much material kicking around, they could be amazing! M has never given her back catalogue much attention though ... I hope she changes this attitude one day, but I can't see it.

Traditionally though Madonna is not someone who records a lot of extra material for albums so I'm not sure there really is a lot of unreleased songs from those sessions. So I'm not sure there is a lot of unheard material, unless you mean remixes.

The Rebel Heart sessions were quite unusual in that she recorded a lot of extra songs that didn't make the album.

There is a box set of all of her Warner Bros, albums,but I don't know if all of the CDs are remastered or not

Glindathegood said:

Traditionally though Madonna is not someone who records a lot of extra material for albums so I'm not sure there really is a lot of unreleased songs from those sessions. So I'm not sure there is a lot of unheard material, unless you mean remixes.

The Rebel Heart sessions were quite unusual in that she recorded a lot of extra songs that didn't make the album.

Actually, right in the middle of her late 80s career, into the 90s she recorded some extra stuff. She's no Prince in the studio, but there are songs from LAP, Erotica, Bedtime Stories, Ray of Light, and more recent that could be tacked onto a CD, along with remixes that were never on CD before (certain promo vinyl only mixes), all coupled with the album in question being remastered.

You're right about there probably not being the plethora of stuff to fill up a disk like the PR deluxe, but there are some trinkets in certain times w/ Madge that deserve to be heard.

I'm not one to demand a full 80-minutes of material - just stuff that was recorded during that time be included. The remasters of the first three records were nice, but the couple of remixes tacked on was just boring, IMO. Missed opportunities. But that seems to be a pattern w/ Madonna. Remixed and Revisited was supposed to be a box set that never happened. R&R was a booby prize in the grand scheme.

SoulAlive said:

What I would like to see Madonna do next: write her autobiography,release a massive,multi-disc,career-spanning boxset and then do a lengthy greatest hits tour. I know that she always likes to move ahead and do "new" things,but I think it's time to look back....to rest on her laurels a bit.....sit back and celebrate her successful past. A movie based on the autobiography should follow.

I would love for her to do an autobiography! That would be the greatest. Because she has an amazing life and she is very honest and straightforward in how she expresses herself.

As far as a greatest hits, I would welcome that as long as it's kind of a loose definition of greatest hits and isn't just her #1 or even top 10's. I feel a lot of her biggest hits she has performed many times. How many times have we heard Like A Prayer or Holiday? So if it's just a show of her very biggest hits, that might be a bit boring.

I would like to hear some songs that maybe were Top 40 hits, but haven't been performed as often such as Bad Girl, Rain and Live to Tell. I think what would be cool is if she did a Greatest Hits set but had a portion in the show, sort of like on the last tour or one or two songs where she changed it up from night to night. Fans could even submit requests of obscure songs or covers they would like her to do.

Here's a setlist a fan came up with which I really like. Mix of big hits and more obscure songs fans love.

Bitch I'm Madonna (intro)

Danceteria Disco Doll -
1. Everybody
2. Deeper and Deeper
3. Hung Up
4. Causing A Commotion/Who's That Girl/Where's the Party? (medley)
5. Holiday

American Life (interlude)

Rosie the Riveter-
6. Express Yourself
7. Human Nature
8. Sorry
9. Live to Tell
10. Girl Gone Wild/Bad Girl (Medley)

Rescue Me (interlude)

Professor seX -
11. Justify My Love (Holy Water sample)
12. Erotica
13. Like a Virgin/Dress You Up (medley)
14. Borderline
15. Don't Tell Me

What It Feels Like For a Girl (interlude)

Mystical Girl
16. Frozen/Open Your Heart (medley)
17. Ray of Light
18. Rotating acoustic fan request (Crazy For You, I'll Remember, Secret, La Isla, You Must Love Me Material Girl, Ghosttown etc)
19. This Used to Be My Playground (acousic)
20. Like a Prayer

Give It 2 Me (interlude)

Hits Lady
21. Lucky Star
22. Into the Groove
23. Music
24. Take a Bow

Encore:
25. VOGUE

SoulAlive said:

What I would like to see Madonna do next: write her autobiography,release a massive,multi-disc,career-spanning boxset and then do a lengthy greatest hits tour. I know that she always likes to move ahead and do "new" things,but I think it's time to look back....to rest on her laurels a bit.....sit back and celebrate her successful past. A movie based on the autobiography should follow.

She's briefly mentioned writing an autobiography in the past but I don't think it will happen for a while yet. She still has things to do and achieve, regardless of the commercial success they achieve. I think that's why we don't get any deluxe editions, box sets, etc. In recent years she started to look back a little bit and reference her earlier work but I think it'll be a few years (decades?) before we get any major retrospectives. She mentioned a costume retrospective in 2005 but it never materialised. Maybe she waiting until she's much older.

rlittler81 said:

SoulAlive said:

What I would like to see Madonna do next: write her autobiography,release a massive,multi-disc,career-spanning boxset and then do a lengthy greatest hits tour. I know that she always likes to move ahead and do "new" things,but I think it's time to look back....to rest on her laurels a bit.....sit back and celebrate her successful past. A movie based on the autobiography should follow.

She's briefly mentioned writing an autobiography in the past but I don't think it will happen for a while yet. She still has things to do and achieve, regardless of the commercial success they achieve. I think that's why we don't get any deluxe editions, box sets, etc. In recent years she started to look back a little bit and reference her earlier work but I think it'll be a few years (decades?) before we get any major retrospectives. She mentioned a costume retrospective in 2005 but it never materialised. Maybe she waiting until she's much older.

Yes, her kids are still quite young so she may not want to "spill the beans" on really personal stuff that might get back to them in school until they are older.

I'm fine with her focusing on new music actually. Doing a greatest hits would probably improve her image among the general public and be very financially lucrative, but for me as a fan it's not something I'm desperate for. I'm perfectly happy with the mix of newer songs and oldies she has done on her recent tours.

I think it's a bit of a misconception that she doesn't do her older hits. In her recent tours, she has done the majority of the really big iconic hits that people remember, albeit not all in one show.

She has done Like A Prayer, Holiday, Vogue, Express Yourself multiple times.

For me Greatest Hits tours are something for people who have been away from the scene and no one has heard the hit songs for a long time.

One thing I do admire about her is whether you agree with her artistic choices, she has managed to stay in the spotlight, but doing the typical things most people from her time period do, such as nostalgia tours and reality shows. You are unlikely to see her appear as judge on the Voice!

[Edited 6/3/17 9:12am]

Glindathegood said:

Glindathegood said:

rlittler81 said:

She's briefly mentioned writing an autobiography in the past but I don't think it will happen for a while yet. She still has things to do and achieve, regardless of the commercial success they achieve. I think that's why we don't get any deluxe editions, box sets, etc. In recent years she started to look back a little bit and reference her earlier work but I think it'll be a few years (decades?) before we get any major retrospectives. She mentioned a costume retrospective in 2005 but it never materialised. Maybe she waiting until she's much older.

Yes, her kids are still quite young so she may not want to "spill the beans" on really personal stuff that might get back to them in school until they are older.

I'm fine with her focusing on new music actually. Doing a greatest hits would probably improve her image among the general public and be very financially lucrative, but for me as a fan it's not something I'm desperate for. I'm perfectly happy with the mix of newer songs and oldies she has done on her recent tours.

I think it's a bit of a misconception that she doesn't do her older hits. In her recent tours, she has done the majority of the really big iconic hits that people remember, albeit not all in one show.

She has done Like A Prayer, Holiday, Vogue, Express Yourself multiple times.

For me Greatest Hits tours are something for people who have been away from the scene and no one has heard the hit songs for a long time.

One thing I do admire about her is whether you agree with her artistic choices, she has managed to stay in the spotlight, but doing the typical things most people from her time period do, such as nostalgia tours and reality shows. You are unlikely to see her appear as judge on the Voice!

[Edited 6/3/17 9:12am]

I agree, she has mostly remained relevant due to her music which I greatly respect. She has had successful albums back to back over the last decade unlike other artists who rely on PR stunts and gimmicks to stay relevant (not to say Madonna hasn't done this in the past) but most of her current albums have been about the music and performances. She has consistently maintained her status as the unapologetic Queen of Pop

This could possibly be the real cover art for the DVD as the above image appears in an email sent out from her offical store.

just to recap....

MADONNA: REBEL HEART TOUR
LIVE DVD, BLU-RAY & DIGITAL CONCERT FILM TO BE RELEASED SEPTEMBER 15 WITH CONCERT ALBUM

Stay tuned for pre-order info coming soon!