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Thread started 05/03/17 12:45am

dancerella

Original Shalamar vs Shalamar 2.0

I consider myself a huge Shalamar fan. I own many of their albums and continue to listen to them on a regular basis. Howard Hewett has one of the greatest voices of all time in my opinion and I love Jody Watley, however my favorite album by Shalamar is Heartbreak featuring new members, Micki Free and D'Lisa Davis. I love the funky new wave direction they went in. Do you guys have a preference over which version of the group you like? I'm seriously torn.
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Reply #1 posted 05/03/17 6:30am

Comser

I really love Shalamar also...in fact the whole Solar Roster is great

But I have to go with Howard & Jody years....to me the greatest albums

are 1981 - Three For Love ; 1982 - Friends ; and 1983 - The Look

however there are a few songs off Heart Break I love as well

Amneis, Don't Get Stopped In Beverly Hills, My Girl Loves Me, and of coarse

Dancing In The Sheets

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Reply #2 posted 05/03/17 7:56am

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Reply #3 posted 05/03/17 9:55am

dancerella

Comser said:

I really love Shalamar also...in fact the whole Solar Roster is great


But I have to go with Howard & Jody years....to me the greatest albums


are 1981 - Three For Love ; 1982 - Friends ; and 1983 - The Look



however there are a few songs off Heart Break I love as well


Amneis, Don't Get Stopped In Beverly Hills, My Girl Loves Me, and of coarse


Dancing In The Sheets




My girl loves me and Dancing in the sheets are so freaking good. Excellent songs. That entire album is the shit! I also love the Look album, with Jody and Jefferey. Their last album together.
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Reply #4 posted 05/03/17 10:02am

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1.0

Isn't that the session singers from the first album with Uptown Festival? razz

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Reply #5 posted 05/03/17 1:13pm

SoulAlive

my favorite Shalamar album is Friends.

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Reply #6 posted 05/03/17 1:14pm

SoulAlive

and the only Shalamar I've ever cared about is the Howard-Jody-Jeffrey line-up smile

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Reply #7 posted 05/03/17 3:21pm

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purplethunder3121 said:

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Isn't that the session singers from the first album with Uptown Festival? razz

lol I meant the Howard-Jody, etc line up. Didn't know there was an earlier line up.

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Reply #8 posted 05/03/17 3:53pm

MickyDolenz

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lol I meant the Howard-Jody, etc line up. Didn't know there was an earlier line up.

There were 3 lineups before Howard

lineup 1: session singers (The only reason that a group was formed is because Uptown Festival became a hit and the record company needed someone to go out and perform since Shalamar didn't really exist. There were a lot of fake groups made up of session singers in the disco era, and some bubblegum groups back then didn't exist either)

lineup 2: Gary, Jody, Jeffrey (They're the ones on the 1st album cover, but Gary is the only member who actually sang on the album)

lineup 3: Gerald, Jody, Jeffrey

lineup 4: Howard, Jody, Jeffrey

lineup 5: Howard, Micki, Delisa

lineup 6: Micki, Delisa, Sidney

lineup 7: Howard, Jeffrey, Carolyn (I don't think they've recorded anything, just do concerts)

lineup 8: Jody and 2 other guys (lineups 7 & 8 both exist today)

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That's still not as many members as have been in The Temptations, which had around 20 different people over their career.

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Reply #9 posted 05/03/17 3:58pm

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MickyDolenz said:

purplethunder3121 said:

lol I meant the Howard-Jody, etc line up. Didn't know there was an earlier line up.

There were 3 lineups before Howard

lineup 1: session singers (The only reason that a group was formed is because Uptown Festival became a hit and the record company needed someone to go out and perform since Shalamar didn't really exist. There were a lot of fake groups made up of session singers in the disco era, and some bubblegum groups back then didn't exist either)

lineup 2: Gary, Jody, Jeffrey (They're the ones on the 1st album cover, but Gary is the only member who actually sang on the album)

lineup 3: Gerald, Jody, Jeffrey

lineup 4: Howard, Jody, Jeffrey

lineup 5: Howard, Micki, Delisa

lineup 6: Micki, Delisa, Sidney

lineup 7: Howard, Jeffrey, Carolyn (I don't think they've recorded anything, just do concerts)

lineup 8: Jody and 2 other guys (lineups 7 & 8 both exist today)

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That's still not as many members as have been in The Temptations, which had around 20 different people over their career.

nuts Too many changes for me to keep up with! Glad you know your stuff!

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Reply #10 posted 05/03/17 6:08pm

SoulAlive

When Jody and Jeffrey left in 1983,that's when I lost interest in Shalamar.That 1984 album,'Heartbreak' is a joke.Even Howard agreed: when it flopped,he went solo.
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Reply #11 posted 05/03/17 7:32pm

Comser

Heart Break was released at a bad time....the competition of releases in Dec '84 was fierce....Teena Marie's 'Starchild', Kool & The Gang's 'Emergency' and Labelmates Midnight Star 'Planetary Invasion'

On a different note...I think I like Midnight Star much more than Shalamar
I loved them with the Calloway brothers....but I liked em just as well without!
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Reply #12 posted 05/03/17 9:40pm

dancerella

Comser said:

Heart Break was released at a bad time....the competition of releases in Dec '84 was fierce....Teena Marie's 'Starchild', Kool & The Gang's 'Emergency' and Labelmates Midnight Star 'Planetary Invasion'

On a different note...I think I like Midnight Star much more than Shalamar
I loved them with the Calloway brothers....but I liked em just as well without!


U gotta be kidding me. Heartbreak is a way better album than all the ones you mentioned. No competition in my opinion.
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Reply #13 posted 05/04/17 4:18am

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dancerella said:

Comser said:

Heart Break was released at a bad time....the competition of releases in Dec '84 was fierce....Teena Marie's 'Starchild', Kool & The Gang's 'Emergency' and Labelmates Midnight Star 'Planetary Invasion'

On a different note...I think I like Midnight Star much more than Shalamar
I loved them with the Calloway brothers....but I liked em just as well without!


U gotta be kidding me. Heartbreak is a way better album than all the ones you mentioned. No competition in my opinion.


I have to listen to this Heartbreak album. That's a pretty strong statement because all 3 of those other albums were fire. I never heard the Heartbreak album
but I have love for Circumstancial Evidence with Micki, Delisa, and Justin but
Howard,Jody,and Jeffrey are the classic lineup.
If I say we ought to it never falls in place
63 is in the lead we need 6 more to win the race.
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Reply #14 posted 05/04/17 4:26am

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SoulAlive is right. Heartbreak was bullshit.Just like the Commodores album
Night shift this album sounds like the soundtrack to cheesy 80's movies.
If I say we ought to it never falls in place
63 is in the lead we need 6 more to win the race.
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Reply #15 posted 05/04/17 4:39am

Comser

Heart Break isn't all that....it's an alright album....but it didn't have a hit for the general public....Dancing In The Sheets hit the Billboard R&B chart #18, but it had already been out for quite a while from the Footloose soundtrack at the beginning of the year....Amnesia didn't even hit the Top 40, it came in at #49...My Girl Loves Me hit #22, and Don't Get Stopped In Beverly Hills was #79...they lost that special magic when Jody and Jeffrey left

But the others I mentioned all had that kick....Teena Marie had her first (and only) Billboard Hot 100 Top 10 with 'Lovergirl', and there was no stopping the double platinum 'Emergency' from Kool & The Gang (their biggest selling album) and Midnight Star finally had that #1 R&B Old School classic with 'Operator' (it should have come first with Freak-A-Zoid)

These albums were mentioned because they were all released same day in Dec '84
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Reply #16 posted 05/04/17 6:40pm

dancerella

phunkdaddy said:

SoulAlive is right. Heartbreak was bullshit.Just like the Commodores album
Night shift this album sounds like the soundtrack to cheesy 80's movies.



The Commodores album was certainly wack. You guys will probably think I'm nuts but Heartbreak, imo, is a masterpiece! It is pop perfection. It's in my top 10 albums of all time.
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Reply #17 posted 05/05/17 9:36am

SoulAlive

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SoulAlive is right. Heartbreak was bullshit.Just like the Commodores album Night shift this album sounds like the soundtrack to cheesy 80's movies.

yeah,that's exactly what it sounds like lol formulaic,synth-heavy music that sounds like it was composed by robots.

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Reply #18 posted 05/10/17 6:54pm

ReddBlitz

The original and the more successful lineup featuring Jody Watley, Howard Hewett, and Jeffrey Daniel. This reincarted version as led by Watley is an all out eh!
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Reply #19 posted 05/10/17 7:31pm

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I too am a fan of the "classic" Shalamar lineup - Jeffrey Jody & Howard.

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still blows my mind about the "beef" between Howard & Jody - how he apparently put her down a lot & whatever other negative stuff happened. had this version stayed togther longer, they probably would have had more success (even as the later versions had "dead giveaway" & maybe 1 or 2 more hits..)

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from what I've read - mainly attributed to Jody - the "classic lineup" will never perform together again.. & that's too bad. I would probably pay a nice chunk of money to see J & J & H re-unite to do some shows.

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Reply #20 posted 05/10/17 8:15pm

SoulAlive

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from what I've read - mainly attributed to Jody - the "classic lineup" will never perform together again.. & that's too bad. I would probably pay a nice chunk of money to see J & J & H re-unite to do some shows.


As much as I love the classic line-up,I am OK with them not ever doing a reunion.Jody still seems to be bitter about a lot of things and I wouldn't wanna see a reunion unless they can work it out,kiss and make up...which we all know is never gonna happen lol
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Reply #21 posted 05/10/17 8:19pm

SoulAlive

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still blows my mind about the "beef" between Howard & Jody - how he apparently put her down a lot & whatever other negative stuff happened. had this version stayed togther longer, they probably would have had more success (even as the later versions had "dead giveaway" & maybe 1 or 2 more hits..)


It's sad that they split at exactly the moment when they began to crossover.MTV embraced their "Dead Giveaway"'video and they were finally having pop success.
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Reply #22 posted 05/11/17 6:39pm

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SoulAlive said:

mltijchr said:
from what I've read - mainly attributed to Jody - the "classic lineup" will never perform together again.. & that's too bad. I would probably pay a nice chunk of money to see J & J & H re-unite to do some shows.
As much as I love the classic line-up,I am OK with them not ever doing a reunion.Jody still seems to be bitter about a lot of things and I wouldn't wanna see a reunion unless they can work it out,kiss and make up...which we all know is never gonna happen lol

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SoulAlive you're right - Jody does seem to be bitter, or at least very petty.

Jody can sing, she definiltey has talent.. but in my opinion Howard was the better singer.

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maybe Jody got a "big head"/more attitude after her string of hits in the mid-80s..

thanks to her "boyfriend" (at that time) our man Andre Cymone.

wouldn't surprise me at all if Jody said (or implied) something to the effect of

"yeah.. Howard dissed me didn't think I could sing & all that.. well I showed HIM"

("looking for a new love".. "real love".. she really liked puttin' "love" into all her song titles didn't she??)

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oh well.

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many of these "reunions" end up not being worth the hype or anticipation anyway..

you're also right that they were about to crossover with "dead giveaway"

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Reply #23 posted 05/14/17 1:17pm

SoulAlive

yeah,she's really bitter and for a reunion to work,everyone would have to put their differences aside and become friendly again.I just don't think that Jody is willing to do that.

mltijchr said:

SoulAlive you're right - Jody does seem to be bitter, or at least very petty.

Jody can sing, she definiltey has talent.. but in my opinion Howard was the better singer.

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Reply #24 posted 05/14/17 2:11pm

Comser

Bananarama just did it....they can do it...seems like all is good with Howard & Jeffrey again, so Jody just needs to let it go and "Make That Move"!

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Reply #25 posted 05/15/17 5:03am

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They reunited on the Babyface/LL Cool J collaboration remake of the lover in you.
They've done a few things together but an all out classic lineup reunion probably isn't happening. Jody's reasons for not reuniting are well documented--everybody has moved on.
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Reply #26 posted 05/15/17 8:32am

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Comser said:

Bananarama just did it....they can do it...seems like all is good with Howard & Jeffrey again, so Jody just needs to let it go and "Make That Move"!

Ain't gonna happen.

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Reply #27 posted 05/16/17 6:19am

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They reunited on the Babyface/LL Cool J collaboration remake of the lover in you. They've done a few things together but an all out classic lineup reunion probably isn't happening. Jody's reasons for not reuniting are well documented--everybody has moved on.

According to the Unsung ep dedicated to Howard, Jody insisted on filming her scenes for the video separate from Howard and Jeffrey. I was a bit surprised and disappointed because for awhile I thought maybe they might have put asisde whatever differences they had for just once.

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Reply #28 posted 05/16/17 5:42pm

dancerella

As much as I love Jody, she seems bitter as hell. She needs to let it go already. What could have been so bad from the past for all this drama, 30 years later?
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Reply #29 posted 05/17/17 10:29pm

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MickyDolenz said:

purplethunder3121 said:

lol I meant the Howard-Jody, etc line up. Didn't know there was an earlier line up.

There were 3 lineups before Howard

lineup 1: session singers (The only reason that a group was formed is because Uptown Festival became a hit and the record company needed someone to go out and perform since Shalamar didn't really exist. There were a lot of fake groups made up of session singers in the disco era, and some bubblegum groups back then didn't exist either)

lineup 2: Gary, Jody, Jeffrey (They're the ones on the 1st album cover, but Gary is the only member who actually sang on the album)

lineup 3: Gerald, Jody, Jeffrey

lineup 4: Howard, Jody, Jeffrey

lineup 5: Howard, Micki, Delisa

lineup 6: Micki, Delisa, Sidney

lineup 7: Howard, Jeffrey, Carolyn (I don't think they've recorded anything, just do concerts)

lineup 8: Jody and 2 other guys (lineups 7 & 8 both exist today)

.

That's still not as many members as have been in The Temptations, which had around 20 different people over their career.


Excuse me, but I still believe even this very day that the the Howard/Micki/Delisa line-up of Shalamar was so underrated. Yes, they were one of many bands/groups that were doing their take on Prince's MPLS sound. But the synth-driven funk & dance-pop direction with a occasional rock guitar solo idea was awesome. cool

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