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Reply #120 posted 04/20/17 10:05pm

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babynoz said:



It's one thing to like the show, but I don't think that an entire Soprano infomercial is appropriate or revelant to this thread for the reasons already stated. No one is changing anyone's POV simply because you cite a bunch of stats about the show.


The elephant in the room that you are willfully ignoring is that if the show's producers, thought that Journey sucked as much as you say, they wouldn't have chosen Don't Stop as one of the songs featured on their show in the first place.

It's not like they didn't have plenty of other choices.

I don't intend to change anyone's position.. I was giving my personal opinions on Journey, just like you and everyone else can give theirs. Remember the question in the OP... As for "The Sopranos ", many folks here say "Well, it can't be important culturally because I never watched it "... Again, each individual can have their own opinion on that show, or any show, as well . ( And would you say that James Brown or The Beatles are not culturally relevant or important because a specific individual never heard them or didn't like them ?) I was simply pointing out how I believe that a mediocre 30 year old song by a mediocre band is NOW so well known and popular. Also, creator David Chase points out that part of the reason he chose that song is because the CHARACTERS in the show would have liked it. That doesn't mean I have to...



Not exactly, you concluded that since you don't like them, they must suck, which is different than merely saying you don't care for them. That would have been fine but you tried to justify your dislike with a statement that was unnecessarily exaggerated when there was no need to justify what you don't like in the first place.

Furthermore it has already been shown that Journey songs have been used by a wide variety of people whether you like it or not. lol

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Reply #121 posted 04/20/17 10:17pm

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Meaning many other popular shows, sports teams, other artists, etc. like Journey songs despite your personal disdain. lol

https://en.wikipedia.org/...ney_(band)


"Over the years, Journey songs have been heard or referred to in numerous films, television series, video games, and even on Broadway. The band's songs have been covered by multiple artists and adopted by sports teams. In particular, "Don't Stop Believin'" was heard in the final episode of The Sopranos, adapted by the television series Glee, sung by the Family Guy cast, adopted as the unofficial anthem of the 2005 and 2010 World Series champion baseball teams, performed by The Chipmunks in their album Undeniable (2008), and sung by the cast of the Broadway musical Rock of Ages."

You do realize that every usage referenced (except the 2005 World Series) was post "Sopranos " ?




Doesn't matter. The point is if they were so terrible then there would not be such a long list of people using Journey songs.

The Sopranos would have been the only one.

Again, your own personal preference does not translate to "they suck".

For example, I am not a Bouncy fan but it would be silly for me to claim that she has no talent just because I'm not into her.

And no one ever said the Sopranos wasn't a good show so please stop acting as if we did because that is deflecting. The thread is about Journey and the overkill is uncalled for.

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Reply #122 posted 04/20/17 11:41pm

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babynoz said:



jjhunsecker said:


babynoz said:




It's one thing to like the show, but I don't think that an entire Soprano infomercial is appropriate or revelant to this thread for the reasons already stated. No one is changing anyone's POV simply because you cite a bunch of stats about the show.



The elephant in the room that you are willfully ignoring is that if the show's producers, thought that Journey sucked as much as you say, they wouldn't have chosen Don't Stop as one of the songs featured on their show in the first place.

It's not like they didn't have plenty of other choices.



I don't intend to change anyone's position.. I was giving my personal opinions on Journey, just like you and everyone else can give theirs. Remember the question in the OP... As for "The Sopranos ", many folks here say "Well, it can't be important culturally because I never watched it "... Again, each individual can have their own opinion on that show, or any show, as well . ( And would you say that James Brown or The Beatles are not culturally relevant or important because a specific individual never heard them or didn't like them ?) I was simply pointing out how I believe that a mediocre 30 year old song by a mediocre band is NOW so well known and popular. Also, creator David Chase points out that part of the reason he chose that song is because the CHARACTERS in the show would have liked it. That doesn't mean I have to...



Not exactly, you concluded that since you don't like them, they must suck, which is different than merely saying you don't care for them. That would have been fine but you tried to justify your dislike with a statement that was unnecessarily exaggerated when there was no need to justify what you don't like in the first place.

Furthermore it has already been shown that Journey songs have been used by a wide variety of people whether you like it or not. lol



Again, what is the title of this thread? I gave MY opinion of Journey, which is that I personally believe they are not Hall of Fame quality. How popular they are, how many records they sold, has no bearing on my view of them. I never said anyone has to agree with me, or that all copies of their music should be destroyed so no one else can ever hear them again . If you, or anyone else , like them, or think they are great, so be it ...
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Reply #123 posted 04/21/17 5:21am

CynicKill

"Don't Stop Believing: The Power Ballad That Refuses To Die."

https://www.theguardian.c...ievin-2010

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Reply #124 posted 04/21/17 7:30am

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CynicKill said:

"Don't Stop Believing: The Power Ballad That Refuses To Die."

https://www.theguardian.c...ievin-2010

OK- pretty much what I've said in this thread. People can accept it, or not ...

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Reply #125 posted 04/21/17 9:50am

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Let it fuckin die.

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Reply #126 posted 04/21/17 10:00am

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Let it fuckin die.

YES!....and bury that shit with "We Built This City" and ALL the albums by MEATLOAF

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Reply #127 posted 04/21/17 12:11pm

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2045RadicalMattZ said:

2freaky4church1 said:

Let it fuckin die.

YES!....and bury that shit with "We Built This City" and ALL the albums by MEATLOAF

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I could do without "Living On A Prayer" as well.

I think it was a bar sing-along that did it for me.

Wrong place, wrong time.

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Reply #128 posted 04/21/17 12:36pm

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I like We Built this City, but didn't like the remix. I did get tired of hearing it at the time, but I can listen to it now. But I haven't heard Meatloaf all that heavily other than I Would Do Anything For Love. I like the song Weird Al did in Meatloaf's style.


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Reply #129 posted 04/21/17 1:11pm

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CynicKill said:

2045RadicalMattZ said:

YES!....and bury that shit with "We Built This City" and ALL the albums by MEATLOAF

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I could do without "Living On A Prayer" as well.

I think it was a bar sing-along that did it for me.

Wrong place, wrong time.



Well the two of you are making a lot more sense than JJ and a more valid point, because honey, there's a whole heap of power ballads that have that reputation, not just Don't Stop Believeing. lol We could make a whole thread about overused power ballads.

Wind Beneath My Wings

I Wanna Know What Love Is

All By Myself

We Are The Champions

In The Air Tonight
Up Where We Belong

Etc, etc.....

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Reply #130 posted 04/21/17 2:21pm

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babynoz said:



CynicKill said:




2045RadicalMattZ said:





YES!....and bury that shit with "We Built This City" and ALL the albums by MEATLOAF



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I could do without "Living On A Prayer" as well.


I think it was a bar sing-along that did it for me.


Wrong place, wrong time.








Well the two of you are making a lot more sense than JJ and a more valid point, because honey, there's a whole heap of power ballads that have that reputation, not just Don't Stop Believeing. lol We could make a whole thread about overused power ballads.

Wind Beneath My Wings



I Wanna Know What Love Is



All By Myself


We Are The Champions


In The Air Tonight
Up Where We Belong

Etc, etc.....



Please don't! That sounds like a tour through musical hell lol
(Just my opinion- which I believe is the POINT of forums like this... )
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Reply #131 posted 04/21/17 2:23pm

CynicKill

"In The Air Tonight" I never get tired of.

I blame Miami Vice.

It's the perfect nighttime cruising song.

If I had to pick a Phil Collins power ballad maybe "Against All Odds", but he crushes it so hard I can't in good conscience pick that one either.

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Reply #132 posted 04/21/17 2:29pm

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MickyDolenz said:

I like We Built this City, but didn't like the remix. I did get tired of hearing it at the time, but I can listen to it now. But I haven't heard Meatloaf all that heavily other than I Would Do Anything For Love. I like the song Weird Al did in Meatloaf's style.




Wasn't "We Built this City " recently voted in a poll as the Worst Record Ever ? But if YOU like it, enjoy!

As for Meat Loaf, I was a teenager in NYC when his first album came out in 1977, and the Rock stations here played the hell out of it... so much so that it's hard for me to listen to it now. It sounds like Springsteen pumped up on steroids!!
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Reply #133 posted 04/21/17 2:48pm

CynicKill

It's theatricality and steriods-y vibe is the secret to its charm?

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Reply #134 posted 04/21/17 3:15pm

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Love Journey and I think they deserve to be in, but hey, what can I say I am biased, lol. Steve Perry has one of the greatest and distinct voices in rock and has always been one of my faves. biggrin

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Reply #135 posted 04/21/17 3:17pm

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CynicKill said:

"In The Air Tonight" I never get tired of.

I blame Miami Vice.

It's the perfect nighttime cruising song.

If I had to pick a Phil Collins power ballad maybe "Against All Odds", but he crushes it so hard I can't in good conscience pick that one either.




I tell ya! lol

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Reply #136 posted 04/21/17 3:32pm

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Missmusicluver72 said:

Love Journey and I think they deserve to be in, but hey, what can I say I am biased, lol. Steve Perry has one of the greatest and distinct voices in rock and has always been one of my faves. biggrin



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Reply #137 posted 04/21/17 3:50pm

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CynicKill said:

It's theatricality and steriods-y vibe is the secret to its charm?




Let's jack freaky's thread with the Meat-man. He won't even notice because he drinks. lol

Seriously though, the only song I knew of Meatloaf was Anything For Love, which is another one of those widely used ballads.

I think it's fun to sing along to songs that everybody knows.


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Reply #138 posted 04/21/17 5:21pm

CynicKill

babynoz said:

CynicKill said:

It's theatricality and steriods-y vibe is the secret to its charm?




Let's jack freaky's thread with the Meat-man. He won't even notice because he drinks. lol

Seriously though, the only song I knew of Meatloaf was Anything For Love, which is another one of those widely used ballads.

I think it's fun to sing along to songs that everybody knows.


I agree, UNLESS its "Living On A Prayer"!

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Reply #139 posted 04/21/17 7:27pm

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CynicKill said:

babynoz said:




Let's jack freaky's thread with the Meat-man. He won't even notice because he drinks. lol

Seriously though, the only song I knew of Meatloaf was Anything For Love, which is another one of those widely used ballads.

I think it's fun to sing along to songs that everybody knows.


I agree, UNLESS its "Living On A Prayer"!




lol

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Reply #140 posted 04/21/17 7:34pm

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babynoz said:

CynicKill said:

It's theatricality and steriods-y vibe is the secret to its charm?




Let's jack freaky's thread with the Meat-man. He won't even notice because he drinks. lol

Seriously though, the only song I knew of Meatloaf was Anything For Love, which is another one of those widely used ballads.

I think it's fun to sing along to songs that everybody knows.


Don't forget this one. LOL

I'm not a woman,
I'm not a man,
I am something that you’ll never understand...
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Reply #141 posted 04/21/17 9:07pm

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babynoz said:

Missmusicluver72 said:

Love Journey and I think they deserve to be in, but hey, what can I say I am biased, lol. Steve Perry has one of the greatest and distinct voices in rock and has always been one of my faves. biggrin



highfive

I love this song,too music and yes,Steve Perry has one of the grestest voices in rock.

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Reply #142 posted 04/22/17 4:54pm

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Of course they should.
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