Tontoman22 said:

mnbvc said:

And I believe that Janet Jackson has influenced as many artists as Madonna. She's not the icon that Madonna or Michael or Prince are but she's probably influenced more male artists than Madonna and she's influenced almost the same female artists that Madonna has influenced. Sure Janet is influenced by Michael, Prince etc... but Madonna is clearly influenced by Cher, Debbie Harry Diana Ross etc... (and Prince too.)

Whether or not you like Madonna...she certainly wasn't influence by Cher or Diana Ross. Cher had 3 # 1 hits before 1974 as a solo artist, and one top 10 at the end of the 70's and wasn't heard from again, on the charts, until 1988. In a earlier comment you eluded to the fact that her vidoes where some how ground breaking and had influenced Madonna... since she did't have one out unitl 1987 ... and Madonna was well on her way, it really makes no sense at all. Now, even when people say Madonna influenced Lady Gaga... Gaga is way more Bette Midler than Madonna. Madonna took Donna Summer's crown as queen of dance music...but I certainly wouldn't know if she was even influence by Donna. I know she respect and liked her and her music, but that doesn't really add up to being influenced. I think the whole idea of being influenced by another artist is personal to that particular artist. Cher was like a drag queen (which is why they loved her)....and Diana who also had 4 #1s in the 70's all before the end of 1976, and no gold singles or albums to speak of (had her best period form the end 1980-1984) where she had 8 of her 12 top 10's. But her vidoes where pretty standard - boring - pouring on the glam. Things changed for everyone after Donna Summer came through at the end of the 70's. Diana Ross had her best period ...even Streisand has her biggest selling album and single (Woman in Love), Oliva Newton-John as well had her biggest hit (Physical). She didn't just change things for black women - but for all women. Kicking the door down for artist to build careers on dance music.

That wasn't really my comment, it came from Vh1's site. While I agree with your comment about the videos, and Donna Summer's impact, it still suggested that her gaudy performance style and re-inventing her style/looks/music and being a fashion trendsetter in the 1960s predates Madonna. I don't know how you can say Cher didn't influence Madonna while still suggest Madonna influenced someone like Britney, for instance.

mnbvc said:

Tontoman22 said:

Whether or not you like Madonna...she certainly wasn't influence by Cher or Diana Ross. Cher had 3 # 1 hits before 1974 as a solo artist, and one top 10 at the end of the 70's and wasn't heard from again, on the charts, until 1988. In a earlier comment you eluded to the fact that her vidoes where some how ground breaking and had influenced Madonna... since she did't have one out unitl 1987 ... and Madonna was well on her way, it really makes no sense at all. Now, even when people say Madonna influenced Lady Gaga... Gaga is way more Bette Midler than Madonna. Madonna took Donna Summer's crown as queen of dance music...but I certainly wouldn't know if she was even influence by Donna. I know she respect and liked her and her music, but that doesn't really add up to being influenced. I think the whole idea of being influenced by another artist is personal to that particular artist. Cher was like a drag queen (which is why they loved her)....and Diana who also had 4 #1s in the 70's all before the end of 1976, and no gold singles or albums to speak of (had her best period form the end 1980-1984) where she had 8 of her 12 top 10's. But her vidoes where pretty standard - boring - pouring on the glam. Things changed for everyone after Donna Summer came through at the end of the 70's. Diana Ross had her best period ...even Streisand has her biggest selling album and single (Woman in Love), Oliva Newton-John as well had her biggest hit (Physical). She didn't just change things for black women - but for all women. Kicking the door down for artist to build careers on dance music.

That wasn't really my comment, it came from Vh1's site. While I agree with your comment about the videos, and Donna Summer's impact, it still suggested that her gaudy performance style and re-inventing her style/looks/music and being a fashion trendsetter in the 1960s predates Madonna. I don't know how you can say Cher didn't influence Madonna while still suggest Madonna influenced someone like Britney, for instance.

I am not sure why you think Cher was a fashion trendsetter of the 60's. I know that over the course of time, there is a tendancy to rewrite history. I just don't remember her ever being mention as being some kind trendsetter. And as far as the 60's musically go - Sonny and Cher had 3 top 10 hits, one #1 and other two were not top 5. I also recall that many industry people really didn't view them as musical artists. I would say that Cher's reputation musically changed when she signed with Geffen in 1987 and went more rock. But, now that you have mention the 60's ... I do remember Madonna - saying that Nancy Sinatra (Boots Were Made for Walking) had an impact on her. I just don't see any influence that Cher had on Madonna - (Cher was more of a television personality ...throughout the 70's anyway and concetrated on her acting in the early to mid 80's. Musically there wasn't much to talk about...especially from 1975 to 87...) If you see one, then do point it out. As far as Brittney I never said Madonna influenced anyone - but I do know Brittney has said herself, that Madonna influence her.

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Tontoman22 said:

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Jackson was never crowned the King of Pop - he demanded to be called the King of Pop (big difference). Not sure who writes this stuff. The Weeknd biggest influence was Prince (his own words). Madonna broke down gender barriers ???...do we have an example of this ?

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namepeace said:

TonyVanDam said:

I know for a fact that Bob Marley has one of the biggest selling greatest hits/best of albums of all time. As a matter of fact, someone worldwide is still buying Legend for the first time as of 2017.

Marley is in a category by himself, one bigger than pop music or global sales. During his life, and in the years after his death, he's not just a "Legend" . . . he's an inspiration for change in a way neither MJ nor Madge are.

Not taking away from MJ or Madge and their efforts, but Marley is just in a different realm.

I agree with this point but MJ without a doubt is on the same level as Bob Marley.

luvsexy4all said:

MotownSubdivision said:

Tontoman22 said:

Jackson was never crowned the King of Pop - he demanded to be called the King of Pop (big difference). Not sure who writes this stuff. The Weeknd biggest influence was Prince (his own words). Madonna broke down gender barriers ???...do we have an example of this ?

Yeah, Mike definitely did orchestrate his title but in all honesty, it's not like he was wrong. While he had tons of competition, no one else eclipsed him commercially or surpassed him at his peak of popularity. Many of his peers had their time in the sun and fell back but Mike was still selling millions of albums, earning chart topping hits, selling out shows worldwide and breaking records even on the downhill run of his fame. If having the highest selling album of all time (the highest selling by a wide margin for 2 consecutive years at that), revolutionizing a new art form (music video) and revitalizing an the entire industry in doing so doesn't qualify someone for King of Pop then what does it take? Outwardly, Weeknd shows far more influence from Michael than he does Prince. I don't know much about him from his mixtape years but I don't recall him showing shades of Prince then either. Even so, Michael is still one of Weeknd's biggest influences and whether Prince is a bigger influence on him or isn't is irrelevant since this topic is about Michael and Madonna.

First of all lets not get ahead of ourselves...people seem to forget history plays itself out. Thriller was a huge success in 80's and went on the become the best selling album of all time. When he demanded to be called the king of pop - it was more due to his obession with Elvis (and the fact that Elvis was the King of Rock and Roll). I certainly didn't mean for U to quantify the title. I just merely point out it was of his won invention or demand. It was forcible spread by his camp ... it wasn't someone else who suggested it, is all I was saying. Being crowned, suggests - being bestowed by someone ... Since were aren't talking about Prince - I will say this much - Earned It - is a song that definitley lends of Prince's influence. I don't hear outwardly the infleunce of Jackson, as you do.

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LiLi1992 said:

Tontoman22 said:

What criteria do you use? Number of singles # 1 in each decade? Jackson released two albums in a decade and a maximum of 10 singles ... of course, he can not have the most number of singles with such productivity in the charts. But he, for example, is the best-selling artist in the 80's and obviously a key figure in music. One of the best-selling artists in the 90's too.

[Edited 3/15/17 20:39pm] LOL the greatest dancer ? Sorry he is not know as the greatest dancer.

Oh really? Who are better/more known dancer in MUSIC?! Of course, he is not in the category of Baryshnikov or Plesetskaya. Still, he is not a trained dancer, but simply a musician who had a talent for dancing and popularized some cult dance elements. But he is known for his dancing talent. In the end, more known than any other music artist. No one except him is included in the Dance Hall of Fame. PS Many world-famous dancers, including ballet dancers, point MJ among their influences.

Really ? Well do you have an example of these world famous dances that point to MJ as an influences ?

In my opinion both Madonna and Mj are more famous for things NOT related to the actual music and that music itself. Mj for dancing, elaborate video's and his personal life/scandals. Madonna for her extroverted sexuality. I'd say they are least famous for the actual music that they were a part of.

Musically..........neither has been very influencial in my opinion.

Tontoman22 said:

mnbvc said:

That wasn't really my comment, it came from Vh1's site. While I agree with your comment about the videos, and Donna Summer's impact, it still suggested that her gaudy performance style and re-inventing her style/looks/music and being a fashion trendsetter in the 1960s predates Madonna. I don't know how you can say Cher didn't influence Madonna while still suggest Madonna influenced someone like Britney, for instance.

I am not sure why you think Cher was a fashion trendsetter of the 60's. I know that over the course of time, there is a tendancy to rewrite history. I just don't remember her ever being mention as being some kind trendsetter. And as far as the 60's musically go - Sonny and Cher had 3 top 10 hits, one #1 and other two were not top 5. I also recall that many industry people really didn't view them as musical artists. I would say that Cher's reputation musically changed when she signed with Geffen in 1987 and went more rock. But, now that you have mention the 60's ... I do remember Madonna - saying that Nancy Sinatra (Boots Were Made for Walking) had an impact on her. I just don't see any influence that Cher had on Madonna - (Cher was more of a television personality ...throughout the 70's anyway and concetrated on her acting in the early to mid 80's. Musically there was much to talk about...especially from 1975 to 87...) If you see one, then do point it out. As far as Brittney I never said Madonna influenced anyone - but I do know Brittney has said herself, that Madonna influence her.

Cher apparantly started the bellbottom trend in the 1960s in addition to wearing flashy and provocative outfits in her television shows and the "Cher hair" trend continued by Rihanna among others. I mean, the lingere outfit that Madonna is famous for was started by Vanity 6 and much of her look in the 80s was taken from Bananarama. Cher is considered somebody who has reinvented her image many times. You can read about how Madonna obviously adopted Cher like career moves here in the chapter aptly titled the Reinvention of Cher:

https://books.google.com/...mp;f=false

I don't believe Madonna is some groundbreaking artist; Rather, I believe it was MTV being a groundbreaking channel that contributed to most of her success.

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Tontoman22 said:

Tontoman22 said:

Graycap23 said:

LiLi1992 said:

Tontoman22 said:

One of the world's greatest ballet stars dancing today, Carlos Acosta talks to telegraph.co.uk about what sets him apart from other dancers, influences, which include Nureyev & Michael Jackson & the show he brings to Sadler's Wells in December http://www.sadlerswells.c...0245541001 Sylvie Guillem : "J'aurais aimé danser avec Michael Jackson http://mobile.francetvinf...le.com.ua/ You know, I have a small child and little time, so you can just open a list of top 100 best artists of the modern ballet, then enter their names and Michael Jackson in Google ... I had somewhere a list of their quotes. I'll post it here if I find it

Thanks !

MotownSubdivision said:

Tontoman22 said:

First of all lets not get ahead of ourselves...people seem to forget history plays itself out. Thriller was a huge success in 80's and went on the become the best selling album of all time. When he demanded to be called the king of pop - it was more due to his obession with Elvis (and the fact that Elvis was the King of Rock and Roll). I certainly didn't mean for U to quantify the title. I just merely point out it was of his won invention or demand. It was forcible spread by his camp ... it wasn't someone else who suggested it, is all I was saying. Being crowned, suggests - being bestowed by someone ... Since were aren't talking about Prince - I will say this much - Earned It - is a song that definitley lends of Prince's influence. I don't hear outwardly the infleunce of Jackson, as you do.

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I'm not saying Michael didn't manufacture himself the King of Pop title but all the same, it isn't like he wasn't. If Elvis was the King of Rock then Michael, who surpassed Elvis in just about every way possible was definitely the King of Pop. Who knows if the title would have been naturally been bestowed upon him and it would have been nice but just compare how relatively quickly Elvis was ordained the King of Rock versus the time between the success of Thriller and when Mike decided to take matters into his own hands and demand to called the King of Pop. It was a somewhat justified action even if it wasn't genuine. Weeknd's vocal style has been compared to Michael constantly since going mainstream. Not to mention his presentation and though he is far from a good live performer, he shows shades of Michael there to. Not once have I seen him be compared to Prince or seen much of Prince's influence in him.

I will say this for the last time.... I didn't mention that Jackson demanded to be called the King of POP - to have you quantify it. So lets move on.... The Weeknd's so-called vocal style - being compared to Jackosn ? I have heard people say his voice sounds like Jackson, and I guess it does at times... But Jackson's vocal style, if you will, changed quite dramatically after Off The Wall and all his surgeries. He couldn't get up to the high notes or fully resonate them - like he did as a young man. He was an incredible vocalitst until he stared with the the facial reconstruction. He became gimicky - the ooh whoos and crock grabbing after Thriller...and never sang the way he did in his younger years again. I don't find the Weeknd to show any huge influence, reminicent of Jackson. Musically speaking I do hear Prince's influence on him... another song where I hear it is Can't Feel My Face. Like I had mention that might be because I heard him say it himself.

MotownSubdivision said:

Graycap23 said:

In my opinion both Madonna and Mj are more famous for things NOT related to the actual music and that music itself. Mj for dancing, elaborate video's and his personal life/scandals. Madonna for her extroverted sexuality. I'd say they are least famous for the actual music that they were a part of.

Musically..........neither has been very influencial in my opinion.

Dancing has to do with music. [Edited 3/27/17 8:08am]

What dancing do u hear on record?

mnbvc said:

Tontoman22 said:

I am not sure why you think Cher was a fashion trendsetter of the 60's. I know that over the course of time, there is a tendancy to rewrite history. I just don't remember her ever being mention as being some kind trendsetter. And as far as the 60's musically go - Sonny and Cher had 3 top 10 hits, one #1 and other two were not top 5. I also recall that many industry people really didn't view them as musical artists. I would say that Cher's reputation musically changed when she signed with Geffen in 1987 and went more rock. But, now that you have mention the 60's ... I do remember Madonna - saying that Nancy Sinatra (Boots Were Made for Walking) had an impact on her. I just don't see any influence that Cher had on Madonna - (Cher was more of a television personality ...throughout the 70's anyway and concetrated on her acting in the early to mid 80's. Musically there was much to talk about...especially from 1975 to 87...) If you see one, then do point it out. As far as Brittney I never said Madonna influenced anyone - but I do know Brittney has said herself, that Madonna influence her.

Cher apparantly started the bellbottom trend in the 1960s in addition to wearing flashy and provocative outfits in her television shows and the "Cher hair" trend continued by Rihanna among others. I mean, the lingere outfit that Madonna is famous for was started by Vanity 6 and much of her look in the 80s was taken from Bananarama. Cher is considered somebody who has reinvented her image many times. You can read about how Madonna obviously adopted Cher like career moves here in the chapter aptly titled the Reinvention of Cher:

https://books.google.com/...mp;f=false

I don't believe Madonna is some groundbreaking artist; Rather, I believe it was MTV being a groundbreaking channel that contributed to most of her success.

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Cher (or more truthfully Sonny and Cher) did not start a bell bottom trend. The trend if you will, was at it's height in the 70's. Sonny and Cher were not music superstars - and didn't have that kind of influence. Cher's television show - was like drag - she had costumes and outfits just like every other woman who had a stage show (or television show at the time). There was no such thing as Cher hair in the 70's... Farah Fawcett - was the hair of the 70's - or Dorthory Hamill's popular hair cut. Cher was known for long straight hair (like Cyrstal Gayle), most all of the other styles on her show where wigs or one time appearences. She didn't have multiple looks. She had the standard 80's perm at the beggining of the 80's..when she was focusing on movies. Madonna is not famous for lingere..she is famous for two things a wedding dress at the MTV awards and conned bustier. As much as I love Denise - Vanity 6 had about as much influence as a parking meter. Next to none... Bananarama is a british girl group who had no influence in North America at all. Bette Midler was first if not one of the first to appear on stage in a bustier and jeans, but whether or not, that influence someone else (who knows). You seem to be stretching to prove your point. At least come with something that is credible. And remember I said Cher had no influence on Madonna...you seem to be trying to go somewhere else. I am not arguing with you over whether you think Madonna is ground breaking or not. I was talking about Cher and her so-called infleunce on Madonna, or anyone for that matter. Sonny and Cher were considered a music act (like the Monkeys) - not music artists. Madonna had more influence - because of MTV and the meduim that reach new heights and a larger audience - little girls didn't run around dressing like Cher Bono in the 60's...like they did in the 80's, dressing like Madonna. Just a fact. I have said it before you can't go back and rewrite history. Madonna used shock value... like in the initial post - it's says she tackles religion - how ? she didn't tackle religion (Like a Prayer) - she made a video of her fucking black Jesus in the altar of a church. To shock the hell out of the Cathoics - and her Catholic upbringing. She learned early in her career the value of shock. Not that people hadn't done it before... I have never been a fan, and don't see her as groundbreaking either - there are many others that do. She was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame for being the first Multi-Media Pop Star - not because they thought she was a great musician.

Then there's that little detail: MJ was massively talented. Madonna? Can't even compare as she is not nearly as naturally gifted. Madonna fans can use every argument they want but there is no running away from this.

Tontoman22 said:

Graycap23 said:

I've been in more studio's than I can count.......and I have NEVER heard anyone say, "I need that Madonna or Mj sound". Not once...........

Graycap23 said:

In my opinion both Madonna and Mj are more famous for things NOT related to the actual music and that music itself. Mj for dancing, elaborate video's and his personal life/scandals. Madonna for her extroverted sexuality. I'd say they are least famous for the actual music that they were a part of.

Musically..........neither has been very influencial in my opinion.

MJ is the biggest selling solo artist of all time, most of his best sellers sold more in global international markets. So how could he possibly not be known for his music? Was this suppose to be a early April fools joke?

Graycap23 said:

I've been in more studio's than I can count.......and I have NEVER heard anyone say, "I need that Madonna or Mj sound". Not once...........

Its obvious you dont favor Michael but cmon with this bullshit seriously. There have been plenty of producers, musicians, composers and artists that have mimicked and are influenced by Michael's sound and catalog.

mjscarousal said:

Graycap23 said:

I've been in more studio's than I can count.......and I have NEVER heard anyone say, "I need that Madonna or Mj sound". Not once...........

Its obvious you dont favor Michael but cmon with this bullshit seriously. There have been plenty of producers, musicians, composers and artists that have mimicked and are influenced by Michael's sound and catalog.

Sorry..........what exactly is the Mj sound?

mjscarousal said:

Graycap23 said:

In my opinion both Madonna and Mj are more famous for things NOT related to the actual music and that music itself. Mj for dancing, elaborate video's and his personal life/scandals. Madonna for her extroverted sexuality. I'd say they are least famous for the actual music that they were a part of.

Musically..........neither has been very influencial in my opinion.

MJ is the biggest selling solo artist of all time, most of his best sellers sold more in global international markets. So how could he possibly not be known for his music? Was this suppose to be a early April fools joke?

His music VIDEO'S is the reason. The actual music simply isn't that good.

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Graycap23 said:

mjscarousal said:

Graycap23 said:

I've been in more studio's than I can count.......and I have NEVER heard anyone say, "I need that Madonna or Mj sound". Not once...........

Its obvious you dont favor Michael but cmon with this bullshit seriously. There have been plenty of producers, musicians, composers and artists that have mimicked and are influenced by Michael's sound and catalog.

He is as stubborn as you are with Beyoncé, let it alone is a lost battle.

mjscarousal said:

Graycap23 said:

I've been in more studio's than I can count.......and I have NEVER heard anyone say, "I need that Madonna or Mj sound". Not once...........

Its obvious you dont favor Michael but cmon with this bullshit seriously. There have been plenty of producers, musicians, composers and artists that have mimicked and are influenced by Michael's sound and catalog.

The Weekend, among many others. We heard him on the car radio and remarked at how he sounded like MJ.

MotownSubdivision said:

Tontoman22 said:

I will say this for the last time.... I didn't mention that Jackson demanded to be called the King of POP - to have you quantify it. So lets move on.... The Weeknd's so-called vocal style - being compared to Jackosn ? I have heard people say his voice sounds like Jackson, and I guess it does at times... But Jackson's vocal style, if you will, changed quite dramatically after Off The Wall and all his surgeries. He couldn't get up to the high notes or fully resonate them - like he did as a young man. He was an incredible vocalitst until he stared with the the facial reconstruction. He became gimicky - the ooh whoos and crock grabbing after Thriller...and never sang the way he did in his younger years again. I don't find the Weeknd to show any huge influence, reminicent of Jackson. Musically speaking I do hear Prince's influence on him... another song where I hear it is Can't Feel My Face. Like I had mention that might be because I heard him say it himself.

You said something and I elaborated on what you said. Big deal. I don't know why you keep bringing Ptince into this as though that somehow negates Michael's influence on the Weeknd. Yeah, Prince influrnced the Weeknd based on his own words but so did Michael based on his own words: www.complex.com/music/201...-interview The fact that Michael influenced The Weeknd is even in the title of tje article. You can say Prince was a bigger influence all you want but in a topic discussing the influence of Michael Jackson and Madonna, what Prince has done is irrelevant. Even so, the bottom line is that Michael influenced The Weeknd and that's all that's being said.

We do all have our own opinions... and like I said, I don't hear any influence of MJ in the Weeknd's music... I do hear Prince (that is what I have been saying). The opinions of someone else writing an article, really doesn't mean much, (if the Weeknd said it - then good,there is something tangible). Unlike that pathetic VH 1 article suggesting Cher was the first pop princess or whatever. Yeah okay like that is even true, or can be backed up by any fact....NOT.

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