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Thread started 02/18/17 1:05am

Shawy89

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The number one album this week sold 65,000 in pure sales. Is this it?

I Decided by Big Sean, currently the #1 album on Billboard 200, sold 151,000 in album-equivalent units, and 65,000 in pure album sales.

iTunes is dead

Physical sales are BEYOND dead

Everyone is using Spotify or Apple Music or Tidal to stream music.

But just look at the numbers, they're so demeaning and tragic. What the fuck is this? By summer I assure you that will have <10K sellers in Top 10.

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Reply #1 posted 02/18/17 2:59am

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Remember those early studies that suggested that online piracy did not detrimentally affect sales of physical goods and that many so-called pirates actually spent more on entertainment overall?

"If I like it I'll buy it" they said

Fuckers! You killed Prince mad

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Reply #2 posted 02/18/17 3:25am

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Things change, its the way it is.

Artists can make a lot of money by performing.

Concerttickets prices are sky high.

You can also ask why artists and the record companies have to make millions and millions.

I mean, justin bieber makes like 60 million a year? Thats just weird.

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Reply #3 posted 02/18/17 4:49am

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Shawy89 said:

I Decided by Big Sean, currently the #1 album on Billboard 200, sold 151,000 in album-equivalent units, and 65,000 in pure album sales.

iTunes is dead

Physical sales are BEYOND dead

Everyone is using Spotify or Apple Music or Tidal to stream music.

But just look at the numbers, they're so demeaning and tragic. What the fuck is this? By summer I assure you that will have <10K sellers in Top 10.

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What are "album-equivalent units"?

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Reply #4 posted 02/18/17 9:45am

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Been it, enjoy Bruno while Target still buys his bulk.
i am yours now and you are mine
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Reply #5 posted 02/18/17 3:41pm

CynicKill

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Things change, its the way it is.

Artists can make a lot of money by performing.

Concerttickets prices are sky high.

You can also ask why artists and the record companies have to make millions and millions.

I mean, justin bieber makes like 60 million a year? Thats just weird.

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But why should the content providers make millions and millions and NOT the artists?

I'll always be on the artists side of this arguement.

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Reply #6 posted 02/19/17 10:44pm

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CynicKill said:



nextedition said:


Things change, its the way it is.


Artists can make a lot of money by performing.


Concerttickets prices are sky high.



You can also ask why artists and the record companies have to make millions and millions.


I mean, justin bieber makes like 60 million a year? Thats just weird.




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But why should the content providers make millions and millions and NOT the artists?


I'll always be on the artists side of this arguement.


Its not like before spotify all the money went to artists. Most went to recordcompanies i think. And you are right, all that money doesnt have to go to the providers but you dont have to be on spotify as an artist. There are lots of ways to sell your music nowadays.
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Reply #7 posted 02/20/17 4:39am

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Do Albums normally sell well during Valentines week? I think more Men spend money on Concerts, Candy, Dinner & Diamonds and LESS on CD's during the holiday week...I could be wrong...

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Reply #8 posted 02/20/17 8:23am

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Shawy89 said:

I Decided by Big Sean, currently the #1 album on Billboard 200, sold 151,000 in album-equivalent units, and 65,000 in pure album sales.

iTunes is dead

Physical sales are BEYOND dead

Everyone is using Spotify or Apple Music or Tidal to stream music.

But just look at the numbers, they're so demeaning and tragic. What the fuck is this? By summer I assure you that will have <10K sellers in Top 10.

confused confused

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My last purchase was Bell Biv Devoe new album Three Stripes (very good) and George Michael Faith Deluxe Remaster. I heard Big Sean is alright but nothing to make me want tot run and buy it from the Eminem featured song I heard.

Download all the shit hop that you can for your kids, neices, nephews, and their friends also. That will prevent them from going out and buying it and will prevent some shit hop sales. Every little bit helps - Andy
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Reply #9 posted 02/20/17 8:34am

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nextedition said:

CynicKill said:



nextedition said:


Things change, its the way it is.


Artists can make a lot of money by performing.


Concerttickets prices are sky high.



You can also ask why artists and the record companies have to make millions and millions.


I mean, justin bieber makes like 60 million a year? Thats just weird.




>


But why should the content providers make millions and millions and NOT the artists?


I'll always be on the artists side of this arguement.


Its not like before spotify all the money went to artists. Most went to recordcompanies i think. And you are right, all that money doesnt have to go to the providers but you dont have to be on spotify as an artist. There are lots of ways to sell your music nowadays.

Very few artist have the pull to take their music off of these services. Record companies get Hugh payouts and the artist get pennies a stream. Even a damm dollar would be better.
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Reply #10 posted 02/21/17 3:54am

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While I believe the artist should receive their just due for their work especially if it's successful, it's kind of hard to side with these big names when they complain that they don't make enough money from streaming.

Taylor Swift for instance is the only act behind Adele who can sell a decent amount of albums. She's one of the most popular names this era and is quite wealthy yet has gone on record to whine about the pitiful amount of peanuts streaming services pay her and other acts.

As understandable as it is, all the same it's kinda hard to take a millionare crying about not having more money seriously. It's this very reason that hardly anybody uses Tidal.
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MotownSubdivision said:

While I believe the artist should receive their just due for their work especially if it's successful, it's kind of hard to side with these big names when they complain that they don't make enough money from streaming. Taylor Swift for instance is the only act behind Adele who can sell a decent amount of albums. She's one of the most popular names this era and is quite wealthy yet has gone on record to whine about the pitiful amount of peanuts streaming services pay her and other acts. As understandable as it is, all the same it's kinda hard to take a millionare crying about not having more money seriously. It's this very reason that hardly anybody uses Tidal.

I do not care if you are a billionaire. Know one should give their intellectual property away for pennies. Why is it okay for the streaming company or even the lable to take most of the profits for every not just to recoup expenses?

Tidal would have more subscribers if they bothered to advitise but they did not get 22 million fron Sprint and no invest in something if they do not see possiblities.

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Reply #12 posted 02/21/17 9:27am

CynicKill

MotownSubdivision said:

While I believe the artist should receive their just due for their work especially if it's successful, it's kind of hard to side with these big names when they complain that they don't make enough money from streaming. Taylor Swift for instance is the only act behind Adele who can sell a decent amount of albums. She's one of the most popular names this era and is quite wealthy yet has gone on record to whine about the pitiful amount of peanuts streaming services pay her and other acts. As understandable as it is, all the same it's kinda hard to take a millionare crying about not having more money seriously. It's this very reason that hardly anybody uses Tidal.

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And yet Spotify has a net worth of 8.4 billion dollars!

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Reply #13 posted 02/21/17 10:31am

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CynicKill said:

MotownSubdivision said:

While I believe the artist should receive their just due for their work especially if it's successful, it's kind of hard to side with these big names when they complain that they don't make enough money from streaming. Taylor Swift for instance is the only act behind Adele who can sell a decent amount of albums. She's one of the most popular names this era and is quite wealthy yet has gone on record to whine about the pitiful amount of peanuts streaming services pay her and other acts. As understandable as it is, all the same it's kinda hard to take a millionare crying about not having more money seriously. It's this very reason that hardly anybody uses Tidal.

>

And yet Spotify has a net worth of 8.4 billion dollars!

Exactly, I will never understand the mindset that thinks the distrubutor of the music should make more than the creator.

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laurarichardson said:



MotownSubdivision said:


While I believe the artist should receive their just due for their work especially if it's successful, it's kind of hard to side with these big names when they complain that they don't make enough money from streaming. Taylor Swift for instance is the only act behind Adele who can sell a decent amount of albums. She's one of the most popular names this era and is quite wealthy yet has gone on record to whine about the pitiful amount of peanuts streaming services pay her and other acts. As understandable as it is, all the same it's kinda hard to take a millionare crying about not having more money seriously. It's this very reason that hardly anybody uses Tidal.

I do not care if you are a billionaire. Know one should give their intellectual property away for pennies. Why is it okay for the streaming company or even the lable to take most of the profits for every not just to recoup expenses?



Tidal would have more subscribers if they bothered to advitise but they did not get 22 million fron Sprint and no invest in something if they do not see possiblities.

I wasn't saying that because these acts are rich that they shouldn't be protective over their work but the way many have gone about it comes off as self-gratifying and selfish. To many people it's millionares directly asking them for more of their money or complaining that they should be getting more money. There's really no way for someone so much wealthier than you to look anything more than short-sighted and self-centered when they're asking or complaining that they should be getting paid more.

Tidal would have more subscribers if it weren't for that pretentious mess of a press conference that turned off nearly everybody and the $20 price tag for premium service.
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Reply #15 posted 02/21/17 12:48pm

SoulAlive

MotownSubdivision said:

While I believe the artist should receive their just due for their work especially if it's successful, it's kind of hard to side with these big names when they complain that they don't make enough money from streaming. Taylor Swift for instance is the only act behind Adele who can sell a decent amount of albums. She's one of the most popular names this era and is quite wealthy yet has gone on record to whine about the pitiful amount of peanuts streaming services pay her and other acts. As understandable as it is, all the same it's kinda hard to take a millionare crying about not having more money seriously. It's this very reason that hardly anybody uses Tidal.

I sorta agree with this.Many of these artists are multi-millionaires living in huge mansions.It's not always easy to sympathize with their whining about the money they're not making on these streaming services,especially when there are so many other ways for them to make big money.

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MotownSubdivision said:

laurarichardson said:

I do not care if you are a billionaire. Know one should give their intellectual property away for pennies. Why is it okay for the streaming company or even the lable to take most of the profits for every not just to recoup expenses?

Tidal would have more subscribers if they bothered to advitise but they did not get 22 million fron Sprint and no invest in something if they do not see possiblities.

I wasn't saying that because these acts are rich that they shouldn't be protective over their work but the way many have gone about it comes off as self-gratifying and selfish. To many people it's millionares directly asking them for more of their money or complaining that they should be getting more money. There's really no way for someone so much wealthier than you to look anything more than short-sighted and self-centered when they're asking or complaining that they should be getting paid more. Tidal would have more subscribers if it weren't for that pretentious mess of a press conference that turned off nearly everybody and the $20 price tag for premium service.

What about the older artist who were counting on royatlies as their income? Do you feel sorry for them? This whole people have money so fuck them is just as bad as being greedy.

Even Prince use to say he could have done more for charity if a chunk of his income was not being taken away. Just think about him touring with busted up joints because he knew he was only going to get some pennies for royalties.

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Reply #17 posted 02/21/17 1:05pm

SoulAlive

laurarichardson said:

MotownSubdivision said:

laurarichardson said: I wasn't saying that because these acts are rich that they shouldn't be protective over their work but the way many have gone about it comes off as self-gratifying and selfish. To many people it's millionares directly asking them for more of their money or complaining that they should be getting more money. There's really no way for someone so much wealthier than you to look anything more than short-sighted and self-centered when they're asking or complaining that they should be getting paid more. Tidal would have more subscribers if it weren't for that pretentious mess of a press conference that turned off nearly everybody and the $20 price tag for premium service.

What about the older artist who were counting on royatlies as their income? Do you feel sorry for them? This whole people have money so fuck them is just as bad as being greedy.

Even Prince use to say he could have done more for charity if a chunk of his income was not being taken away. Just think about him touring with busted up joints because he knew he was only going to get some pennies for royalties.

so you feel sorry for Beyonce,who is worth nearly 300 million dollars? You feel sorry for Madonna,who is practically a billionaire? rolleyes As I said before,it's not easy for many people to sympathize with multi-millionaires who are demanding more money.

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SoulAlive said:



laurarichardson said:




MotownSubdivision said:


laurarichardson said: I wasn't saying that because these acts are rich that they shouldn't be protective over their work but the way many have gone about it comes off as self-gratifying and selfish. To many people it's millionares directly asking them for more of their money or complaining that they should be getting more money. There's really no way for someone so much wealthier than you to look anything more than short-sighted and self-centered when they're asking or complaining that they should be getting paid more. Tidal would have more subscribers if it weren't for that pretentious mess of a press conference that turned off nearly everybody and the $20 price tag for premium service.

What about the older artist who were counting on royatlies as their income? Do you feel sorry for them? This whole people have money so fuck them is just as bad as being greedy.



Even Prince use to say he could have done more for charity if a chunk of his income was not being taken away. Just think about him touring with busted up joints because he knew he was only going to get some pennies for royalties.





so you feel sorry for Beyonce,who is worth nearly 300 million dollars? You feel sorry for Madonna,who is practically a billionaire? rolleyes As I said before,it's not easy for many people to sympathize with multi-millionaires who are demanding more money.


-- The are not demanding more money they are asking for the money they should be receiving for the work created. I also notice you did not answer my question about older artist and how about independent artist. You are way off base if you think the music is filled with Maddonna's who are billionaires.
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Reply #19 posted 02/21/17 2:21pm

CynicKill

SoulAlive said:

laurarichardson said:

What about the older artist who were counting on royatlies as their income? Do you feel sorry for them? This whole people have money so fuck them is just as bad as being greedy.

Even Prince use to say he could have done more for charity if a chunk of his income was not being taken away. Just think about him touring with busted up joints because he knew he was only going to get some pennies for royalties.

so you feel sorry for Beyonce,who is worth nearly 300 million dollars? You feel sorry for Madonna,who is practically a billionaire? rolleyes As I said before,it's not easy for many people to sympathize with multi-millionaires who are demanding more money.

So maybe they should've brought out up and coming artists instead of the mega-stars they did bring out during that press comference? That might've worked.

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Reply #20 posted 02/21/17 2:23pm

SoulAlive

CynicKill said:

SoulAlive said:

so you feel sorry for Beyonce,who is worth nearly 300 million dollars? You feel sorry for Madonna,who is practically a billionaire? rolleyes As I said before,it's not easy for many people to sympathize with multi-millionaires who are demanding more money.

So maybe they should've brought out up and coming artists instead of the mega-stars they did bring out during that press comference? That might've worked.

I think that would have been a better idea wink that press conference angered many people,lol

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Reply #21 posted 02/21/17 2:24pm

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laurarichardson said:



MotownSubdivision said:


laurarichardson said:


I do not care if you are a billionaire. Know one should give their intellectual property away for pennies. Why is it okay for the streaming company or even the lable to take most of the profits for every not just to recoup expenses?



Tidal would have more subscribers if they bothered to advitise but they did not get 22 million fron Sprint and no invest in something if they do not see possiblities.



I wasn't saying that because these acts are rich that they shouldn't be protective over their work but the way many have gone about it comes off as self-gratifying and selfish. To many people it's millionares directly asking them for more of their money or complaining that they should be getting more money. There's really no way for someone so much wealthier than you to look anything more than short-sighted and self-centered when they're asking or complaining that they should be getting paid more. Tidal would have more subscribers if it weren't for that pretentious mess of a press conference that turned off nearly everybody and the $20 price tag for premium service.

What about the older artist who were counting on royatlies as their income? Do you feel sorry for them? This whole people have money so fuck them is just as bad as being greedy.



Even Prince use to say he could have done more for charity if a chunk of his income was not being taken away. Just think about him touring with busted up joints because he knew he was only going to get some pennies for royalties.

It's a double edged sword.

It's us middle class fans who make these acts rich in the first place. We fill their pockets and because of our monetary support they no longer have to live the way we do which is fine. However, nowadays with more unemployed people than ever, less money being circulated yet we're subject to a higher cost of living and and a generally downtrodden economy when somebody rich publicly remarks how they deserve more money, how do you think that comes off to the average working class citizen?

I didn't say "fuck rich people because they're rich" and while many people habe that mindset, can you really blame them when they're living check to check and some affluent star who lives in a mansion and owns property overseas among countless other expensive luxuries is complaining about how they aren't getting paid enough? I'm well aware in the case of music, it's not a this black and white situation many see it as but it's not hard to understand why the average citizen wouldn't take kindly to an already wealthy celebrity saying they want more cash.
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CynicKill said:



SoulAlive said:




laurarichardson said:



What about the older artist who were counting on royatlies as their income? Do you feel sorry for them? This whole people have money so fuck them is just as bad as being greedy.



Even Prince use to say he could have done more for charity if a chunk of his income was not being taken away. Just think about him touring with busted up joints because he knew he was only going to get some pennies for royalties.





so you feel sorry for Beyonce,who is worth nearly 300 million dollars? You feel sorry for Madonna,who is practically a billionaire? rolleyes As I said before,it's not easy for many people to sympathize with multi-millionaires who are demanding more money.



So maybe they should've brought out up and coming artists instead of the mega-stars they did bring out during that press comference? That might've worked.



Exactly. The net worth of all the acts present totaled over $2 billion with the richest (Madonna) being $200 million short of a billion herself.

When you've got some of the biggest names in music banding together trying to gain sympathy from civilians like us with no lower tier artists to balance out the range of star power then what did you expect for people to think? Jay effed up and should have known better.
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Reply #23 posted 02/21/17 2:34pm

SoulAlive

laurarichardson said:

Even Prince use to say he could have done more for charity if a chunk of his income was not being taken away. Just think about him touring with busted up joints because he knew he was only going to get some pennies for royalties.

oh,cry me a river rolleyes Prince was a super wealthy man.He could have quit touring after the Musicology Tour and still continued to live comfortably the rest of his life.Throughout his career,he was always paid well for his efforts.And as I keep saying,there are plenty of ways for musicians to generate income in the music business.Regardless of what he is paid from the streaming services,he was never going to die broke.It's astonishing to see some fans arguing that multi-millionaires should be paid even more money,smh.

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SoulAlive said:



laurarichardson said:



Even Prince use to say he could have done more for charity if a chunk of his income was not being taken away. Just think about him touring with busted up joints because he knew he was only going to get some pennies for royalties.




oh,cry me a river rolleyes Prince was a super wealthy man.He could have quit touring after the Musicology Tour and still continued to live comfortably the rest of his life.Throughout his career,he was always paid well for his efforts.And as I keep saying,there are plenty of ways for musicians to generate income in the music business.Regardless of what he is paid from the streaming services,he was never going to die broke.It's astonishing to see some fans arguing that multi-millionaires should be paid even more money,smh.



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--I did not say they should be more they should be paid what is fair. A penny is not fair to anyone. Less revenue also means the pool of talent is going to get worst since people cannot afford to be in the industry. The industry cannot afford A&R. Plenty of articles about this problem with the data to back up stiuation. I am also glad you don't give a shit about Prince's stituation because he only worked hard his whole life on his music and did not deserve to make a dime off it and should have never donated one dime to anyone to himself.
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Reply #26 posted 02/21/17 6:11pm

SoulAlive

laurarichardson said:

SoulAlive said:



laurarichardson said:



Even Prince use to say he could have done more for charity if a chunk of his income was not being taken away. Just think about him touring with busted up joints because he knew he was only going to get some pennies for royalties.




oh,cry me a river rolleyes Prince was a super wealthy man.He could have quit touring after the Musicology Tour and still continued to live comfortably the rest of his life.Throughout his career,he was always paid well for his efforts.And as I keep saying,there are plenty of ways for musicians to generate income in the music business.Regardless of what he is paid from the streaming services,he was never going to die broke.It's astonishing to see some fans arguing that multi-millionaires should be paid even more money,smh.



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--I did not say they should be more they should be paid what is fair. A penny is not fair to anyone. Less revenue also means the pool of talent is going to get worst since people cannot afford to be in the industry. The industry cannot afford A&R. Plenty of articles about this problem with the data to back up stiuation. I am also glad you don't give a shit about Prince's stituation because he only worked hard his whole life on his music and did not deserve to make a dime off it and should have never donated one dime to anyone to himself.


Regarding Prince,I pointed out that he was an extremely wealthy man who was paid lots of money for his hard work.Remember his 1992 recording contract where he would get a $10 million advance per album? Or what about when Clive Davis (Arista) gave him a whopping $11 million to release one album (Rave)? Or what about the more recent one-off deals when Prince got a huge pay check before the CDs were even released? You're trying to act like Prince was this poor,struggling,hard-working artist who was constantly ripped off by the music business....lol....it's just simply not true.
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Reply #27 posted 02/21/17 6:30pm

SoulAlive

Taylor Swift whines because she thinks Spotify doesn't pay her enough money? Boo hoo,cry me a river lol Guess what? Teachers are underpaid too.Where is the concern for them?
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SoulAlive said:

laurarichardson said:
--I did not say they should be more they should be paid what is fair. A penny is not fair to anyone. Less revenue also means the pool of talent is going to get worst since people cannot afford to be in the industry. The industry cannot afford A&R. Plenty of articles about this problem with the data to back up stiuation. I am also glad you don't give a shit about Prince's stituation because he only worked hard his whole life on his music and did not deserve to make a dime off it and should have never donated one dime to anyone to himself.
Regarding Prince,I pointed out that he was an extremely wealthy man who was paid lots of money for his hard work.Remember his 1992 recording contract where he would get a $10 million advance per album? Or what about when Clive Davis (Arista) gave him a whopping $11 million to release one album (Rave)? Or what about the more recent one-off deals when Prince got a huge pay check before the CDs were even released? You're trying to act like Prince was this poor,struggling,hard-working artist who was constantly ripped off by the music business....lol....it's just simply not true.

No, he was being ripped off by the platform services ( these are tech companies not music companies) like everyone else until the went to Tidal and found a better deal. It is a business if you ask for pennies you get pennies. If you ask for dollars you get dollars. There is plenty of documentation to back up what I am saying about the pay structure of platform services. I am not going to aruge with someone who thinks because people are making money they should have a limit on how much they can make and her the root of evil if they want more.

Plenty of people with money do good things in this world so you need to think about that while you spend you time bitching.

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SoulAlive said:

Taylor Swift whines because she thinks Spotify doesn't pay her enough money? Boo hoo,cry me a river lol Guess what? Teachers are underpaid too.Where is the concern for them?

You do not know her from adam so you have no idea what she cares about. In addition, people who choose to teach are well aware of the pay when they enter the profession.

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