Rock has been almost not existent at the grammys for at least a decade now. Except for the times Foo fighters, Metallica and Coldplay won wards. Metallica and grohl are always picked for the token rock artists even if they didn't have any albums out (metallica did of course) it's shitty people are crying because Beyonce may not win her 1293484575th grammy while rock artists have been completely shut out.

maybe none of them r willing to be a token rock act

luvsexy4all said:

maybe none of them r willing to be a token rock act

What they really need is new blood at the show. I mean shit they gave Arcade Fire the brief chance in 2010 and that got them way more popularity.

Gunsnhalen said:

sonshine said:

Sadly the genre is fading away. But I wholeheartedly agree it needs a larger presence at the Grammy's. . . . I remember the good old days when Guns n Roses stumbled up on stage to accept an award dropping f-bombs and basically behaving like rock stars. It was great.

I agree. For the most part, the old lions are carrying the rock banner. I rarely watch the Grammys, but other than a pretty good performance by Arcade Fire a few years back, contemporary rock artists are in short supply.

There are plenty of "rock artists."

But there aren't that many "rock stars" that command attention.

LOL

Billboard just reported THIS:

Dave Grohl Will Not Perform With Anderson .Paak & A Tribe Called Quest at the Grammy Awards

ollowing word earlier this week announcing Foo Fighters frontman Dave Grohl would be performing with Anderson .Paak and A Tribe Called Quest at the upcoming 59th annual Grammy Awards, the Recording Academy has now announced that Grohl will not take part in the performance.

In a statement released Thursday (Feb. 2), The Recording Academy and AEG Ehrlich Productions apologized for the error and said their "announcement was made prematurely."

The statement reads: "Earlier this week, we announced that Dave Grohl would be performing with Anderson .Paak and A Tribe Called Quest prior to confirming all participants. Dave Grohl will not be part of this performance. Unfortunately, our announcement was made prematurely. On behalf of The Recording Academy and AEG Ehrlich Productions, we sincerely apologize to all parties involved for our error."

You cursed 'em Gunshalen

namepeace said:

sonshine said:

Sadly the genre is fading away. But I wholeheartedly agree it needs a larger presence at the Grammy's. . . . I remember the good old days when Guns n Roses stumbled up on stage to accept an award dropping f-bombs and basically behaving like rock stars. It was great.

I agree. For the most part, the old lions are carrying the rock banner. I rarely watch the Grammys, but other than a pretty good performance by Arcade Fire a few years back, contemporary rock artists are in short supply.

There are plenty of "rock artists."

But there aren't that many "rock stars" that command attention.

I wish Jack White would go back to performing the rock music he was known for when he first hit the scene. Now his stuff is like soft country. lol.

sonshine said:

Sadly the genre is fading away. But I wholeheartedly agree it needs a larger presence at the Grammy's. It's been the same s*** every year for years now. I remember the good old days when Guns n Roses stumbled up on stage to accept an award dropping f-bombs and basically behaving like rock stars. It was great.

The major problem is nothing is given away on the show, i think about 13 awards are actually on the show which is about 15% of the actual nominations. And the reason mainly is that no one cares for the most part, especially the LABELS and the network. People don't tune in to hear some moron from a CW show present an award for musicians it has no clue who they are. And for labels there is NO bump in sales anymore to winners, its all performance and scandal based. DO something shocking or have some insane duet or whatever that is what the show is for.

The grohl Metallica thing goes on in all genres pretty much. I mean Beyonce and Alicia Keys is there any other RB female? I mean Lalah Hathaway is up, MYA is up Mint Condition is up for it, think they are performing or even gonna be seen??

There is a lack of thought all over the place. In the way music is marketed to the way shows are produced, to just the nominee lists, I mean Beyonce for 9 this one for 7 and this one 6 the categories all look the same with one or two changes.

sonshine said:

Sadly the genre is fading away. But I wholeheartedly agree it needs a larger presence at the Grammy's. It's been the same s*** every year for years now. I remember the good old days when Guns n Roses stumbled up on stage to accept an award dropping f-bombs and basically behaving like rock stars. It was great.

Rock has faded out commercially and it has become more of a "indie" genre. The music industry is a dead business. They give the same awards out to the same people. I dont even see the point in having award shows when you know who is going to win all of the awards.

No because rock music does not have the audience therefore it does not have the money therefore people dont care.

Rock music has become a nostalgia trip. Too much old stuff.

MotownSubdivision said:

heathilly said:

MotownSubdivision said:

heathilly said:

I don't see it as a reason to lament this is honestly just life and the natural progression of people's taste. People used to eat cottage cheese now they eat Greek yougurt. People use to go to the circus now 100 year old intuitions are being closed indefinitely. Rock use to be big now it's not because that shit is old uninteresting and not the publics taste. Everything falls to time. And new things are constantly being born.

I don't think it's quite as simple as that when many big name rock acts of the past are still making a killing performing live. There is still a large following for the genre but besides what you said, the industry itself still is trying to figure itself out and trying to adapt which I believe is part of the reason for the way music is showcased the way it is now.

That huge following your talking about is old people reliving the past and young people who want to see a legend as to feel apart of history. The fact is rock fans wont except new rock music unless it sounds like the classic rock of 60s and 70s leading to revivalist artists who pedal old sounds and never forge new ground. (Dave Matthews exp.) And for the rock bands who do try an experiment like say how all those old bands did 50 years ago there music is rejected and labeled alternative/pop (21 pilots exp.). And when a genre reachs that point its done, its ran its course and theres no mass youth thats seeking rock music out anyway. Youth of the day rather be a rapper or a dancer than play the guitar and rock out. ( "rock out" just saying that phrase sounds old like generations ago.) Everything falls to time.

heathilly said:

MotownSubdivision said:

heathilly said:

That huge following your talking about is old people reliving the past and young people who want to see a legend as to feel apart of history. The fact is rock fans wont except new rock music unless it sounds like the classic rock of 60s and 70s leading to revivalist artists who pedal old sounds and never forge new ground. (Dave Matthews exp.) And for the rock bands who do try an experiment like say how all those old bands did 50 years ago there music is rejected and labeled alternative/pop (21 pilots exp.). And when a genre reachs that point its done, its ran its course and theres no mass youth thats seeking rock music out anyway. Youth of the day rather be a rapper or a dancer than play the guitar and rock out. ( "rock out" just saying that phrase sounds old like generations ago.) Everything falls to time.

Maybe you're right.

Slightly different here in the UK but I think we're more open to new rock here. I was at Glasto last summer and there were plenty of new rock bands who were well received

But I think you're right about new rock not being accepted in the States, and this is part of the problem. Love it or hate it Nu-Metal in the late 90s at least did something new, but look how much stick it got from the so called rock establishment at the time.

DaveT said:

MotownSubdivision said:

Hip hop has been the new rock since the 90s[.]

And there's the answer. Rap music ("hit-pop," "Rap & B", etc.) has taken up most of the oxygen in mainstream pop music for a decade. Most rock artists cannot out-"Rock Star" the NWAs, Tupacs, Biggies, Jay-Zs, and Kanyes.

heathilly said:

MotownSubdivision said:

heathilly said: I don't think it's quite as simple as that when many big name rock acts of the past are still making a killing performing live. There is still a large following for the genre but besides what you said, the industry itself still is trying to figure itself out and trying to adapt which I believe is part of the reason for the way music is showcased the way it is now.

That huge following your talking about is old people reliving the past and young people who want to see a legend as to feel apart of history. The fact is rock fans wont except new rock music unless it sounds like the classic rock of 60s and 70s leading to revivalist artists who pedal old sounds and never forge new ground. (Dave Matthews exp.) And for the rock bands who do try an experiment like say how all those old bands did 50 years ago there music is rejected and labeled alternative/pop (21 pilots exp.). And when a genre reachs that point its done, its ran its course and theres no mass youth thats seeking rock music out anyway. Youth of the day rather be a rapper or a dancer than play the guitar and rock out. ( "rock out" just saying that phrase sounds old like generations ago.) Everything falls to time.

Fair points all. The Stones, McCartneys, Eagles, Fleetwood Macs and Springsteens are able to sell tickets to 3-4 generations.

Not so sure "rock" as a genre is "dead" per se, it's just expanded its definition of what "rock" is. It's going through the same struggles that jazz did (a lot of it at the hands of the "purists").

Unlike X-ers, Y-ers, millenials and post-millenials have not known a time where rap DIDN't Dominate the scene.

Grohl is the Phil Collins of 'rock'

Iamtheorg said:

Grohl is the Phil Collins of 'rock'

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I've been saying that for years. Both unquestionably great drummers who played on some great albums. Both kind of vanilla as solo artists. And both have/ had the annoying tendency to pop up everywhere until you get sick of seeing their stupid face and it's hard to remember why you ever liked them.

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I have a love/ hate relationship with both.

Invite Jello Biafra and the Gitmo School of Medicine. Tear some shit up.

Grohl is "hit's, my country for more hits."

Him and his cutesy videos.

bobzilla77 said:

Iamtheorg said:

Grohl is the Phil Collins of 'rock'

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I've been saying that for years. Both unquestionably great drummers who played on some great albums. Both kind of vanilla as solo artists. And both have/ had the annoying tendency to pop up everywhere until you get sick of seeing their stupid face and it's hard to remember why you ever liked them.

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I have a love/ hate relationship with both.

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*cough* *cough*

I agree with what he's saying about Dave, but Eddie Trunk is a joke The dude is obsessed with washed up rock bands. I remember his old show on VH1 Classic where they'd rehash the same boring shit about classic rock/metal bands week after week, no wonder it got canceled.

But yeah, there are plenty of rock bands out there doing cool things. Hell, if you don't want to give air time to the young up-and-comers, at least invite bands like Queens Of The Stone Age more often. Or just let St. Vincent perform (yeah, she isn't really rock, but I'd rather hear her perform than some shitty token band like KISS or Def Leppard or whatever)

mbdtyler said:

I agree with what he's saying about Dave, but Eddie Trunk is a joke The dude is obsessed with washed up rock bands. I remember his old show on VH1 Classic where they'd rehash the same boring shit about classic rock/metal bands week after week, no wonder it got canceled.

He's also the biggest namedropper out there regarding the washed-ups. Its funny how Kiss refuses to play nice with him though.