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Reply #120 posted 02/01/17 9:24am

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HuMpThAnG said:

So if Ralph had pursued a solo career early, and never performed with NE, would he have been successful?

hmmm

Yes. Ralph waa the lead on every New Edition single. Ricky and Bobby had little spots here and there but for the most part it was Rizzo.

And would NE been successful without him? hmmm

Remember, Johnny wasn't near the scene yet.

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Reply #121 posted 02/01/17 12:51pm

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HuMpThAnG said:

So if Ralph had pursued a solo career early, and never performed with NE, would he have been successful?

hmmm

He would've been successful, but it's hard to tell the extent of it. He would've been going it alone against the likes of his idol, MJ, among others. So, alot of it depends on the strength of his performances, songwriters and producers, and timing. Bobby Brown was just a different animal lol. He just had an unbridled, raw energy that commanded everybody's attention. Even if it was left to him to be the leader after Ralph, he could only be contained for so long.

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Reply #122 posted 02/01/17 1:15pm

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HuMpThAnG said:


So if Ralph had pursued a solo career early, and never performed with NE, would he have been successful?



hmmm




He would've been successful, but it's hard to tell the extent of it. He would've been going it alone against the likes of his idol, MJ, among others. So, alot of it depends on the strength of his performances, songwriters and producers, and timing. Bobby Brown was just a different animal lol. He just had an unbridled, raw energy that commanded everybody's attention. Even if it was left to him to be the leader after Ralph, he could only be contained for so long.


Ralph as a kid, would not be goin up against Mike. He'd be in his own area.
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Reply #123 posted 02/01/17 2:02pm

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scorp84 said:

He would've been successful, but it's hard to tell the extent of it. He would've been going it alone against the likes of his idol, MJ, among others. So, alot of it depends on the strength of his performances, songwriters and producers, and timing. Bobby Brown was just a different animal lol. He just had an unbridled, raw energy that commanded everybody's attention. Even if it was left to him to be the leader after Ralph, he could only be contained for so long.

Ralph as a kid, would not be goin up against Mike. He'd be in his own area.

Ralph's style was 95% Mike and 5% B-Boy as a kid, and at that point, MJ had already ruined it for young black pop stars after the 70s. Once you made that splash, kid or not, you were a potential threat lol.

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Reply #124 posted 02/01/17 2:16pm

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LittleBLUECorvette said:


scorp84 said:



He would've been successful, but it's hard to tell the extent of it. He would've been going it alone against the likes of his idol, MJ, among others. So, alot of it depends on the strength of his performances, songwriters and producers, and timing. Bobby Brown was just a different animal lol. He just had an unbridled, raw energy that commanded everybody's attention. Even if it was left to him to be the leader after Ralph, he could only be contained for so long.



Ralph as a kid, would not be goin up against Mike. He'd be in his own area.


Ralph's style was 95% Mike and 5% B-Boy as a kid, and at that point, MJ had already ruined it for young black pop stars after the 70s. Once you made that splash, kid or not, you were a potential threat lol.


A 13 year old Ralph was no threat to Michael just like a 13 year old MJ was no threat to Isaac Hayes. Maybe Ralph was a threat to Michael Bivins lol.
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Reply #125 posted 02/01/17 2:33pm

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scorp84 said:

Ralph's style was 95% Mike and 5% B-Boy as a kid, and at that point, MJ had already ruined it for young black pop stars after the 70s. Once you made that splash, kid or not, you were a potential threat lol.

A 13 year old Ralph was no threat to Michael just like a 13 year old MJ was no threat to Isaac Hayes. Maybe Ralph was a threat to Michael Bivins lol.

No, MJ was SOMETHING ELSE lmao. Isaac Hayes wasn't even on his radar lol. I'm not saying Ralph was a threat to surpass Michael, but he would've been playing with the big boys because Mike raised the standards.

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Reply #126 posted 02/01/17 4:44pm

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scorp84 said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

scorp84 said: A 13 year old Ralph was no threat to Michael just like a 13 year old MJ was no threat to Isaac Hayes. Maybe Ralph was a threat to Michael Bivins lol.

No, MJ was SOMETHING ELSE lmao. Isaac Hayes wasn't even on his radar lol. I'm not saying Ralph was a threat to surpass Michael, but he would've been playing with the big boys because Mike raised the standards.

As much as I liked Ralph (he and Ron were my favs in New Edition)....vocally he couldn't hold a candle to MJ or Stevie at that age hmph!

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Reply #127 posted 02/01/17 5:57pm

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roLittleBLUECorvette said:

Derek1984 said:

Anybody else agree that I Really Love You Girl sounds like a leftover track recorded from King of Stage?

It was produced by Gene Griffin. I'm one.of the few who liles King of Stage over Don't Be Crel.

Nah man, it was some obscuro named Gordon Jones along with Bobby. Both wrote it too. Gene Griffin would never produce something that soft LOL.

Good call on it sounded like a "King of stage" outtake. I bet it was done early in the sessions. I seem to remember his voice sounding abit younger too on that one? Nice cut though.

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Reply #128 posted 02/01/17 5:59pm

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TV Ratings: BET's 'New Edition' Miniseries Was a Massive Hit

January 31, 2017 | by Michael O'Connell | The Hollywood Reporter

the_new_edition_story_cast_-_h_-_2016_0.jpg

It seems unlikely that BET brass had any idea how well The New Edition Story would play with their audience. Because it played very, very well.

The three-night event, an extended biopic of the famous boy band turned R&B group, averaged 5.4 million viewers with live-plus-three-day Nielsen returns now in. That's enough to make it cable's top scripted effort of the week and the young year.

Across premiere telecasts, encores and plays on BET and sister-net Centric, the Viacom-owned network credits The New Edition Story with reaching 29 million viewers — a stunning 15.7 million of them in the targeted demo of adults 18-49.

Looking at just the premiere telecasts, the project held remarkably steady over its three-night run, kicking off with 5.5 million viewers, dipping a shade to 5.3 million viewers and ultimately claiming 5.6 million viewers for the finale.

It's an incredible boon to BET, which has admittedly modest scripted offerings these days with the exception of flagship Being Mary Jane. (Kevin Hart starrer The Real Husbands of Hollywood wrapped its fifth and final season in December.) Outside of tentpole events like the BET Awards, The New Edition Story gave the network its most-watched telecasts since the season-five premiere of The Game in 2012.

@RalphTresvant - @itsAlgee
@RonDeVoe - @KeithTPowers
@RealJohnnyGill - @whoisLukejames
@MrRickyBell - @elijah_kelley
@KingBobbyBrown - @WOODY_THEGREAT
@MikeBiv - @YazzTheGreatest
@NewEdition
@NewEditionBET
@OfficialBBD

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For 65 years straight, the #1 genre in music, selling wise, was rock n' roll worldwide. Last year (2017) in June, it got de-crowned by hip hop. Hip hop is the #1 genre. It's hip hop - rock - country - pop or pop - country. ~ Pras
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Reply #129 posted 02/01/17 6:03pm

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IMO, Bobby had the best voice in those early years. Ralph got better by "heartbreak". Ricky Bell was the real surprise though.

Bobby just had a natural voice you believed in and was macho. Ralph sounded too squeaky clean, even on his solo records.

The pressure for Ralph to deliver on his debut, after all the other members hit the ground running, musta been immence. Particually BBD, who just surprised everyone with their debut.

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Reply #130 posted 02/01/17 7:17pm

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IMO, Bobby had the best voice in those early years. Ralph got better by "heartbreak". Ricky Bell was the real surprise though.

Bobby just had a natural voice you believed in and was macho. Ralph sounded too squeaky clean, even on his solo records.

The pressure for Ralph to deliver on his debut, after all the other members hit the ground running, musta been immence. Particually BBD, who just surprised everyone with their debut.

[Edited 2/1/17 18:07pm]

I tend to believe the opposite about Bobby lol. I think he got better after "Don't Be Cruel". I think its no coincidence that his vocals improved after hooking up with Whitney lol. Just listen to his live show in Japan from '91 and the "Bobby" album. Ralph's vocals were clearly MJ-influenced from day 1. He's improved with each release.

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Reply #131 posted 02/01/17 7:40pm

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scorp84 said:

thesexofit said:

IMO, Bobby had the best voice in those early years. Ralph got better by "heartbreak". Ricky Bell was the real surprise though.

Bobby just had a natural voice you believed in and was macho. Ralph sounded too squeaky clean, even on his solo records.

The pressure for Ralph to deliver on his debut, after all the other members hit the ground running, musta been immence. Particually BBD, who just surprised everyone with their debut.

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I tend to believe the opposite about Bobby lol. I think he got better after "Don't Be Cruel". I think its no coincidence that his vocals improved after hooking up with Whitney lol. Just listen to his live show in Japan from '91 and the "Bobby" album. Ralph's vocals were clearly MJ-influenced from day 1. He's improved with each release.

Oh yeah definately. I just meant I preferred Bobby's voice to Ralph's in those early years. I also think Bobby's voice improved too. "Bobby", the album, has some real underated material. He sings his ass off on the middle 8 of "Pretty little girl" for example.

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Reply #132 posted 02/02/17 4:17am

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HuMpThAnG said:

So if Ralph had pursued a solo career early, and never performed with NE, would he have been successful?

hmmm

I don't think so.

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Reply #133 posted 02/02/17 12:12pm

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It was entertainlng and really well done. I was at best a casual fan of NE et al when they were in their heydays. But the special helped me appreciate their music and their stories even more.

I haven't said this in decades, but . . . well done, BET!

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Reply #134 posted 02/02/17 4:18pm

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Reply #135 posted 02/02/17 4:53pm

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MickyDolenz said:

TV Ratings: BET's 'New Edition' Miniseries Was a Massive Hit

January 31, 2017 | by Michael O'Connell | The Hollywood Reporter

the_new_edition_story_cast_-_h_-_2016_0.jpg

It seems unlikely that BET brass had any idea how well The New Edition Story would play with their audience. Because it played very, very well.

The three-night event, an extended biopic of the famous boy band turned R&B group, averaged 5.4 million viewers with live-plus-three-day Nielsen returns now in. That's enough to make it cable's top scripted effort of the week and the young year.

Across premiere telecasts, encores and plays on BET and sister-net Centric, the Viacom-owned network credits The New Edition Story with reaching 29 million viewers — a stunning 15.7 million of them in the targeted demo of adults 18-49.

Looking at just the premiere telecasts, the project held remarkably steady over its three-night run, kicking off with 5.5 million viewers, dipping a shade to 5.3 million viewers and ultimately claiming 5.6 million viewers for the finale.

It's an incredible boon to BET, which has admittedly modest scripted offerings these days with the exception of flagship Being Mary Jane. (Kevin Hart starrer The Real Husbands of Hollywood wrapped its fifth and final season in December.) Outside of tentpole events like the BET Awards, The New Edition Story gave the network its most-watched telecasts since the season-five premiere of The Game in 2012.

@RalphTresvant - @itsAlgee
@RonDeVoe - @KeithTPowers
@RealJohnnyGill - @whoisLukejames
@MrRickyBell - @elijah_kelley
@KingBobbyBrown - @WOODY_THEGREAT
@MikeBiv - @YazzTheGreatest
@NewEdition
@NewEditionBET
@OfficialBBD

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They knew it would do well they promoted over a year ago and there are millions of black generations Xer who grew up with New Edition and these guys can still sell 10k seaters. Mainstream media needs to pay attention

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Reply #136 posted 02/02/17 10:20pm

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laurarichardson said:

MickyDolenz said:

TV Ratings: BET's 'New Edition' Miniseries Was a Massive Hit

January 31, 2017 | by Michael O'Connell | The Hollywood Reporter

the_new_edition_story_cast_-_h_-_2016_0.jpg

It seems unlikely that BET brass had any idea how well The New Edition Story would play with their audience. Because it played very, very well.

The three-night event, an extended biopic of the famous boy band turned R&B group, averaged 5.4 million viewers with live-plus-three-day Nielsen returns now in. That's enough to make it cable's top scripted effort of the week and the young year.

Across premiere telecasts, encores and plays on BET and sister-net Centric, the Viacom-owned network credits The New Edition Story with reaching 29 million viewers — a stunning 15.7 million of them in the targeted demo of adults 18-49.

Looking at just the premiere telecasts, the project held remarkably steady over its three-night run, kicking off with 5.5 million viewers, dipping a shade to 5.3 million viewers and ultimately claiming 5.6 million viewers for the finale.

It's an incredible boon to BET, which has admittedly modest scripted offerings these days with the exception of flagship Being Mary Jane. (Kevin Hart starrer The Real Husbands of Hollywood wrapped its fifth and final season in December.) Outside of tentpole events like the BET Awards, The New Edition Story gave the network its most-watched telecasts since the season-five premiere of The Game in 2012.

@RalphTresvant - @itsAlgee
@RonDeVoe - @KeithTPowers
@RealJohnnyGill - @whoisLukejames
@MrRickyBell - @elijah_kelley
@KingBobbyBrown - @WOODY_THEGREAT
@MikeBiv - @YazzTheGreatest
@NewEdition
@NewEditionBET
@OfficialBBD

[Edited 2/1/17 18:00pm]

They knew it would do well they promoted over a year ago and there are millions of black generations Xer who grew up with New Edition and these guys can still sell 10k seaters. Mainstream media needs to pay attention

Great news thumbs up!

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Reply #137 posted 02/03/17 4:40am

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Thanks for posting this. There's a few other vids of this interview on YouTube but the quality is awful. My takeaways:

-They did the whole "I seem as if I'm joking but I really don't like you" routine. lol

-Seems like it was more Ralph vs. BBD with Bobby and JG sitting back and being entertained.

-Ron made it a point to walk right in front of Ralph. falloff

-Could Sherry Carter be anymore annoying? She came off corny as hell. Donnie should've done this interview instead.

-Ralph sure was salty, wasn't he? lol

-I want to know what Bobby and JG were whispering and snickering about in the back.

-I never realized until now that Mike had security clips on his clothes. falloff

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Reply #138 posted 02/03/17 6:35am

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missfee said:



JabarR74 said:




Thanks for posting this. There's a few other vids of this interview on YouTube but the quality is awful. My takeaways:

-They did the whole "I seem as if I'm joking but I really don't like you" routine. lol



-Seems like it was more Ralph vs. BBD with Bobby and JG sitting back and being entertained.



-Ron made it a point to walk right in front of Ralph. falloff

-Could Sherry Carter be anymore annoying? She came off corny as hell. Donnie should've done this interview instead.



-Ralph sure was salty, wasn't he? lol



-I want to know what Bobby and JG were whispering and snickering about in the back.



-I never realized until now that Mike had security clips on his clothes. falloff


Why the hell didn't Ralph release his album before BBD and Johnny?
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Reply #139 posted 02/03/17 7:33am

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LittleBLUECorvette said:

missfee said:

Thanks for posting this. There's a few other vids of this interview on YouTube but the quality is awful. My takeaways:

-They did the whole "I seem as if I'm joking but I really don't like you" routine. lol

-Seems like it was more Ralph vs. BBD with Bobby and JG sitting back and being entertained.

-Ron made it a point to walk right in front of Ralph. falloff

-Could Sherry Carter be anymore annoying? She came off corny as hell. Donnie should've done this interview instead.

-Ralph sure was salty, wasn't he? lol

-I want to know what Bobby and JG were whispering and snickering about in the back.

-I never realized until now that Mike had security clips on his clothes. falloff

Why the hell didn't Ralph release his album before BBD and Johnny?

Not sure. Perhaps that was part of the reason why he was salty. BBD was feeling themselves too...and made sure Ralph knew it. LOL

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Reply #140 posted 02/03/17 8:40am

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missfee said:



LittleBLUECorvette said:


missfee said:


Thanks for posting this. There's a few other vids of this interview on YouTube but the quality is awful. My takeaways:

-They did the whole "I seem as if I'm joking but I really don't like you" routine. lol



-Seems like it was more Ralph vs. BBD with Bobby and JG sitting back and being entertained.



-Ron made it a point to walk right in front of Ralph. falloff

-Could Sherry Carter be anymore annoying? She came off corny as hell. Donnie should've done this interview instead.



-Ralph sure was salty, wasn't he? lol



-I want to know what Bobby and JG were whispering and snickering about in the back.



-I never realized until now that Mike had security clips on his clothes. falloff



Why the hell didn't Ralph release his album before BBD and Johnny?

Not sure. Perhaps that was part of the reason why he was salty. BBD was feeling themselves too...and made sure Ralph knew it. LOL


For real, how did the damn extras of the group release a record before the lead singer? How Johnny releaae one right after joining the group. Those 2 fed off the NE campaign as there's came out in the spring on 90. Ralphs came outin the winter of 90. His album didn't do as well as Johnny and BBD. I think both were top 5 on the Billboard 200 and Ralphs was 17. Not bad but I bet if Ralph came out first hos would have done better.
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Reply #142 posted 02/03/17 3:36pm

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Goddess4Real said:

laurarichardson said:

Great news thumbs up!

I'm still trying to find a way to watch this. razz lol

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Goddess4Real said:




laurarichardson said:





Great news thumbs up!



I'm still trying to find a way to watch this. razz lol


It's all over youtube and facebook.
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You need to thank the song writers.

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Reply #146 posted 02/06/17 4:31am

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LittleBLUECorvette said:

missfee said:

Not sure. Perhaps that was part of the reason why he was salty. BBD was feeling themselves too...and made sure Ralph knew it. LOL

For real, how did the damn extras of the group release a record before the lead singer? How Johnny releaae one right after joining the group. Those 2 fed off the NE campaign as there's came out in the spring on 90. Ralphs came outin the winter of 90. His album didn't do as well as Johnny and BBD. I think both were top 5 on the Billboard 200 and Ralphs was 17. Not bad but I bet if Ralph came out first hos would have done better.

Does the timinig really matter? IMO, it's more about the content of each project and the production. BBD's focus wasn't the same as NE's...they had more of a hip hop/R&B combo going on that wasn't very common back then. It was catchy, and edgy and it worked. Next with JG, his focus was R&B but he had a few more dance tracks than Ralph...plus JG is a far better singer than Ralph. After those two down, then you have Ralph's album which was a like a continuation of the NE Heartbreak album...more of the same of what we have heard before..just without "those four other guys". lol

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Reply #147 posted 02/06/17 6:30am

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missfee said:



LittleBLUECorvette said:


missfee said:


Not sure. Perhaps that was part of the reason why he was salty. BBD was feeling themselves too...and made sure Ralph knew it. LOL



For real, how did the damn extras of the group release a record before the lead singer? How Johnny releaae one right after joining the group. Those 2 fed off the NE campaign as there's came out in the spring on 90. Ralphs came outin the winter of 90. His album didn't do as well as Johnny and BBD. I think both were top 5 on the Billboard 200 and Ralphs was 17. Not bad but I bet if Ralph came out first hos would have done better.

Does the timinig really matter? IMO, it's more about the content of each project and the production. BBD's focus wasn't the same as NE's...they had more of a hip hop/R&B combo going on that wasn't very common back then. It was catchy, and edgy and it worked. Next with JG, his focus was R&B but he had a few more dance tracks than Ralph...plus JG is a far better singer than Ralph. After those two down, then you have Ralph's album which was a like a continuation of the NE Heartbreak album...more of the same of what we have heard before..just without "those four other guys". lol

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Timing matters, especially with off shots of former groups. He was the last one to release. He needed to be the first one out since he was lead. Maybe everyone was NE'd out by late 1990.
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Reply #148 posted 02/06/17 7:16am

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LittleBLUECorvette said:

missfee said:

Does the timinig really matter? IMO, it's more about the content of each project and the production. BBD's focus wasn't the same as NE's...they had more of a hip hop/R&B combo going on that wasn't very common back then. It was catchy, and edgy and it worked. Next with JG, his focus was R&B but he had a few more dance tracks than Ralph...plus JG is a far better singer than Ralph. After those two down, then you have Ralph's album which was a like a continuation of the NE Heartbreak album...more of the same of what we have heard before..just without "those four other guys". lol

[Edited 2/6/17 4:31am]

Timing matters, especially with off shots of former groups. He was the last one to release. He needed to be the first one out since he was lead. Maybe everyone was NE'd out by late 1990.

I agree about timing. Also, correct me if i'm wrong, but Johnny's album was a Motown release was it not? The rest of the guys were still with MCA, so I think that probably had the biggest impact on staggering each album launch. Each artist, except for Ralph, came out of the box with the hard-hitting dance tracks (followed by ballads), while Ralph chose "Sensitivity". It's a great song, but, in hindsight, it wasn't the strongest opening intro Ralph couldv'e made for his solo debut. "Rated R" would've been the logical fit, but I do understand his attempt to separate himself from the other guys in a way and make his own lane.

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scorp84 said:



LittleBLUECorvette said:


missfee said:


Does the timinig really matter? IMO, it's more about the content of each project and the production. BBD's focus wasn't the same as NE's...they had more of a hip hop/R&B combo going on that wasn't very common back then. It was catchy, and edgy and it worked. Next with JG, his focus was R&B but he had a few more dance tracks than Ralph...plus JG is a far better singer than Ralph. After those two down, then you have Ralph's album which was a like a continuation of the NE Heartbreak album...more of the same of what we have heard before..just without "those four other guys". lol


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Timing matters, especially with off shots of former groups. He was the last one to release. He needed to be the first one out since he was lead. Maybe everyone was NE'd out by late 1990.


I agree about timing. Also, correct me if i'm wrong, but Johnny's album was a Motown release was it not? The rest of the guys were still with MCA, so I think that probably had the biggest impact on staggering each album launch. Each artist, except for Ralph, came out of the box with the hard-hitting dance tracks (followed by ballads), while Ralph chose "Sensitivity". It's a great song, but, in hindsight, it wasn't the strongest opening intro Ralph couldv'e made for his solo debut. "Rated R" would've been the logical fit, but I do understand his attempt to separate himself from the other guys in a way and make his own lane.


Maybe he was gonna come out with something bangin but BBD and JG did so maybe he wanted to change the pace. The movie did mention that Bobby also did everything he was trying to do in Don't Be Cruel.
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