Dasein said:

sexton said:

Dasein said:

No, they did not. Pop radio as what is indicated by the Billboard charts targets young people specifically.

Yes, older people did like many top 40 songs back then. I listened to top 40 radio in the 70s and early 80s before you were born so I know what I'm talking about. I did not say anything about target markets, I'm disputing your claim that people older than 25 never liked contemporary pop music. [Edited 12/4/16 5:54am]

Sexton is right. I was around back then, too. People in their 30s and 40s not only listened to the Top 40 radio stations but bought the albums that put Marvin Gaye, Tina Turner, and company on the charts. Totally different than today.

purplethunder3121 said:

OK, I just tried out ALL those videos - MY GOD, I'VE NEVER HEARD SUCH GOD-AWFUL SHIT IN MY LIFE!!

Actually I have - ON THE CHARTS FOR MAYBE THE LAST 10 YEARS OR MORE!!

Prince is turning in his grave to think of such things being discussed on HIS forum...!!

I honestly think all of you make over the top statements about music nowadays, i'm sure older people said the same about music in the 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's no matter how good the music was. Bilboard is not the place for "great music" to be found.

214 said:

MotownSubdivision said:

What makes this even worse is that now an R&B act could very well make it on the pop charts with a #1 album (and some have) yet still receive no play on Top 40 radio.

No different than in the past. In the 1970s & 1980s acts like Pink Floyd, Isley Brothers, AC/DC, KISS, Metallica, Rush, etc. had top 10 albums on the Top 200 chart, but recieved little or no Top 40 airplay. Some acts were more popular with albums than singles. Led Zeppelin only had 1 Top 10 pop hit in Billboard, but their albums were big sellers. Dark Side Of The Moon remained on the Top 200 for many years, longer than any other album. But the most successful single on it (Money) only reached #13 on the pop chart. Many of what are now called classic rock bands didn't get Top 40 airplay, they got played on AOR stations. The main rock audience was separate from Top 40 listeners and primarily male. Top 40 & adult contemporary had more female listeners. On AOR stations, there were few female acts played unlike Top 40. That's why many metal fans didn't like glam metal (aka hair rock) because they sang power ballads to get Top 40 airplay to attract a female audience and wore makeup. Male rock fans were also the ones primarily behind the "disco sucks" thing in the 1970s because some of the AOR stations switched to a disco format when it became huge. The DJs didn't like it either.

The Top 200 is just all albums together, it doesn't necessarily represent what gets airplay on Top 40. I remember the Trio (Dolly Parton, Linda Ronstadt, Emmylou Harris) album was Top 10 on the album chart, but I heard nothing from it on Top 40.

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214 said:

I honestly think all of you make over the top statements about music nowadays, i'm sure older people said the same about music in the 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's no matter how good the music was. Bilboard is not the place for "great music" to be found.

The thing is, great music was found in the Top 40 of the charts back then. Beatles, James Brown, Temptations, Curtis Mayfield, ect were mainstays on the top charts. And are highley regarded 40-50 years later. Of course, you had your Jazz guys who just sticked to Jazz back then. But even then, a cat like Miles Davis was digging Sly Stone. Herbie Hancock was with Stevie Wonder. I don't think no Jazz musicians are trying to work with anyone from the top 40 today.

sexton said:

I'm disputing your claim that people older than 25 never liked contemporary pop music.

Paul McCartney, Mick Jagger, & B.B. King have worked with younger acts. Paul posted Black Beatles in his video and played on a Rihanna song. Mick Jagger worked with will.i.am and Joss Stone.

MickyDolenz said:

LittleBLUECorvette said:

214 said:

I honestly think all of you make over the top statements about music nowadays, i'm sure older people said the same about music in the 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's no matter how good the music was. Bilboard is not the place for "great music" to be found.

The thing is, great music was found in the Top 40 of the charts back then. Beatles, James Brown, Temptations, Curtis Mayfield, ect were mainstays on the top charts. And are highley regarded 40-50 years later. Of course, you had your Jazz guys who just sticked to Jazz back then. But even then, a cat like Miles Davis was digging Sly Stone. Herbie Hancock was with Stevie Wonder. I don't think no Jazz musicians are trying to work with anyone from the top 40 today.

Exactly, nostalgia runs high with music made up to the 1980s. However a lot of music since then has either been absolute crap featuring sampling, drum machines, talking, swearing, guesting and marginally talented artists that are mostly skanky women and shit hoppers. Or boring crooners and smaltzy ballads like Bryan Adams, All 4 One, Train and Saline Dion.

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No one will remember this crap in 30 or 50 years time at all. Even now, who is waxing nostalgic about hit makers of the late 90s and 2000s. Are there any huge Sisqo/Chingy/Vengaboys/Len/ 5ive/Stepz/S club 7 or Backstreet Boys nostalgia at all - No, because they were disposable novelty acts designed to capture trendz and have a brief chart career.

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How about rap and r&b hit makers of 15 years ago - Ja Rule, Chingy, Lil Caesar, Mary J Blige, Blu Cantrell, Afroman, Sisqo, Ludacris - now nearly no one cares and no one remembers.

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100% pure, unadulterated CRAP. It's funny...I remember my father when I was growing up and bringin' home ALL KINDS OF funky shit and he'd say, "Man, the stuff kids are listening to these days!" Now, I'm my father's age THEN and think the same THING! LOL! But yeah...at least THEN, music was "musical" and didn't have profanity runnin' thru it and screaming/yelling, etc...Not 2 mention the illiterate GANGsta verses that one can't even make English SENSE out of. Disappointing. I remember back in '98 when Deborah Cox had the #1 R&B single. Now, it's Deborah WHO? Smh...

Adorecream said:

Even now, who is waxing nostalgic about hit makers of the late 90s and 2000s. Are there any huge Sisqo/Chingy/Vengaboys/Len/ 5ive/Stepz/S club 7 or Backstreet Boys nostalgia at all

Youtube and the big success of the NWA movie says you're wrong. Straight Outta Compton is the highest grossing music biopic in history, currently at $201,634,991 worldwide. Box Office Mojo

Sisqo: Thong Song - 65,705,679 views
Sisqo: Incomplete - 11,374,831
Mary J. Blige: Thick Of It (new 2016 single came out a few weeks ago) - 2,020,647

Mary J. Blige: Be Without You - 63,090,852
Backstreet Boys: I Want It That Way - 261,755,994
Backstreet Boys: As Long As You Love Me - 93,421,713

Chamillionaire feat. Krayzie Bone: Ridin' - 135,028,305
*NSYNC: Bye Bye Bye - 111,360,569
Soulja Boy Tell'em: Crank That - 261,386,337
Soulja Boy Tell'em: Pretty Boy Swag - 35,670,109
Chingy: Right Thurr - 22,488,977
Chingy: One Call Away - 13,325,484
Ludacris ft. Nicki Minaj: My Chick Bad - 95,556,164
Vengaboys: Shalala lala - 45,482,600
Nelly: Hot In Herre - 69,934,948
Nelly ft. Kelly Rowland: Dilemma - 295,727,314
The Pussycat Dolls feat. Busta Rhymes: Don't Cha - 112,711,217
Dr. Dre & Eminem: Forgot About Dre - 22,692,082
Destiny's Child feat. Lil Wayne & T.I.: Soldier - 61,224,615
Lil Wayne ft. Static: Lollipop - 232,112,273
Lil Wayne, Wiz Khalifa, & Imagine Dragons: Sucker For Pain (from Suicide Squad soundtrack) - 267,276,026

There's also hip hop oldies radio stations now that play 1980s, 90s, and early 2000s hits. If there wasn't an audience for this, the format wouldn't exist as regular radio stations run from companies paying to advertise on them. Mary J. Blige sings the theme song for the new season of The View, which is a popular daytime talk show in the US.

Adorecream said:

, Mary J Blige,

Hang on, hang on - Mary J Blige?? *I* care - you shouldn't have put that in there....

MickyDolenz said:

Adorecream said:

Even now, who is waxing nostalgic about hit makers of the late 90s and 2000s. Are there any huge Sisqo/Chingy/Vengaboys/Len/ 5ive/Stepz/S club 7 or Backstreet Boys nostalgia at all

Youtube and the big success of the NWA movie says you're wrong. Straight Outta Compton is the highest grossing music biopic in history, currently at $201,634,991 worldwide. Box Office Mojo

Sisqo: Thong Song - 65,705,679 views
Sisqo: Incomplete - 11,374,831
Mary J. Blige: Thick Of It (new 2016 single came out a few weeks ago) - 2,020,647

Mary J. Blige: Be Without You - 63,090,852
Backstreet Boys: I Want It That Way - 261,755,994
Backstreet Boys: As Long As You Love Me - 93,421,713

Chamillionaire feat. Krayzie Bone: Ridin' - 135,028,305
*NSYNC: Bye Bye Bye - 111,360,569
Soulja Boy Tell'em: Crank That - 261,386,337
Soulja Boy Tell'em: Pretty Boy Swag - 35,670,109
Chingy: Right Thurr - 22,488,977
Chingy: One Call Away - 13,325,484
Ludacris ft. Nicki Minaj: My Chick Bad - 95,556,164
Vengaboys: Shalala lala - 45,482,600
Nelly: Hot In Herre - 69,934,948
Nelly ft. Kelly Rowland: Dilemma - 295,727,314
The Pussycat Dolls feat. Busta Rhymes: Don't Cha - 112,711,217
Dr. Dre & Eminem: Forgot About Dre - 22,692,082
Destiny's Child feat. Lil Wayne & T.I.: Soldier - 61,224,615
Lil Wayne ft. Static: Lollipop - 232,112,273
Lil Wayne, Wiz Khalifa, & Imagine Dragons: Sucker For Pain (from Suicide Squad soundtrack) - 267,276,026

There's also hip hop oldies radio stations now that play 1980s, 90s, and early 2000s hits. If there wasn't an audience for this, the format wouldn't exist as regular radio stations run from companies paying to advertise on them. Mary J. Blige sings the theme song for the new season of The View, which is a popular daytime talk show in the US.

Yeah, but are they still making new songs that are platinum hits and releasing greatest hits albums selling millions - no. Even Disco Duck has 70 million views and Ice Ice Baby over 142 million views. Spice Girls wannabe is 250 million views and 273 million views of U cant touch this and yet people rip on this shit all the time.

You tube views don't mean shit, when Baby by Justin Bieber has like 6 billion views.

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And yes Mary J Bilge, does suck, overrated as hell.

We sound like our parents.

I never wanted a drive by in all my life.

I'm joining the alt right, fuck it. haha.

Party, make money, smoke weed, grab that pussy, what men.

Sweep em Ice: https://www.youtube.com/w...okdL-0iV9s

Adorecream said:

Yeah, but are they still making new songs that are platinum hits and releasing greatest hits albums selling millions - no.

You tube views don't mean shit, when Baby by Justin Bieber has like 6 billion views.

Nostalgia has nothing to do with whether an act sell albums of new material, but that people still listen to their old stuff. Paul McCartney, Ringo Starr, Bon Jovi, Rolling Stones, etc. new albums aren't big sellers, but they're popular on the concert circuit where they primarily sing their old hits and not that much of their newer stuff. That there's hip hop oldies stations and that the old rap songs get lots of Youtube views and people leaving comments on the videos proves there's nostalgia for it. Billboard & the RIAA seems to think Youtube views count since they now consider a certain amount of views as 1 copy of an album sold and uses it as chart criteria.

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Very few acts of any type, new or old, are selling millions of albums today, maybe Taylor Swift, Susan Boyle, and Adele. So that isn't relevant. Many of the younger generations either download for free or stream. They didn't grow up with buying records and CDs. Younger people have also never lived in a world where rap didn't exist, so what makes you think that these people don't have nostalgia for it? The average person who grew up in the 1980s didn't have nostalgia for Bing Crosby or Duke Ellington, but maybe their grandparents did. Notice that the easy listening stations that played that era of music were pretty much gone by the mid 1990s when a lot of the World War II generation were dying out. Hip hop is the big band jazz & classic rock of today's generation. There's even smooth jazz covers of rap hits today. I've heard country & heavy metal versions of rap songs too. A symphony orchestra did a concert with Sir Mix-A-Lot

The music industry has considered me irrelevant for at least 20 years. They want the teens and twentysomethings. And, like the music scene in my youth, there are plenty of options out there, under the radar or ignored by radio, for those who want good music.

That said, the Rae Sremmud joint actually isn't bad.

I think too, this music shows us how much we need Prince back. God I miss him and the quality he bought to new music. Prince's last 4 albums were miles better than all this rubbish on the charts, even Boytrouble was better.

Dasein said:

Dissatisfaction with the Billboard Top 40 only means you're getting old. 25+ year olds always
dislike contemporary pop records. For example: if you were 29 in 1962, you hated "The Twist."
If you were 19, you loved that shit.

It's the same for today. I was born in 1978. This means I already know that tastemakers in
contemporary pop music do not give a fuck about what I like. They care what the dorkazoid who
was born in 1998 likes!

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I think there's nostalgia for young people to care and/or support music has it once had been... technology changed all of that. I've always taken Billboard charts with a grain of salt... there were always artist who sold music that some how some way didn't chart.

sexton said:

Dasein said:

No, they did not. Pop radio as what is indicated by the Billboard charts targets young people specifically.

Yes, older people did like many top 40 songs back then. I listened to top 40 radio in the 70s and early 80s before you were born so I know what I'm talking about. I did not say anything about target markets, I'm disputing your claim that people older than 25 never liked contemporary pop music. [Edited 12/4/16 5:54am]

You alone do not represent the entire pop music purchasing population, Sexton. Just because
you liked what was on the radio in the 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s, and 10s doesn't mean that everybody
who is your age did/does as well.

Rae Sremmurd is not number one because older adults have played a hand in creating their cur-
rent popularity. While you may be an anomaly, the fact remains that what drives the Hot 100 is
constituted mostly by what young people (5-34), not older adults (35+), want.

Dasein said:

sexton said:

Yes, older people did like many top 40 songs back then. I listened to top 40 radio in the 70s and early 80s before you were born so I know what I'm talking about. I did not say anything about target markets, I'm disputing your claim that people older than 25 never liked contemporary pop music. [Edited 12/4/16 5:54am]

You alone do not represent the entire pop music purchasing population, Sexton. Just because
you liked what was on the radio in the 70s, 80s, 90s, 00s, and 10s doesn't mean that everybody
who is your age did/does as well.

Rae Sremmurd is not number one because older adults have played a hand in creating their cur-
rent popularity. While you may be an anomaly, the fact remains that what drives the Hot 100 is
constituted mostly by what young people (5-34), not older adults (35+), want.

I wasn't yet an adult in the 70s and 80s so clearly I was not referring to what I liked back then, but instead to what adults liked back then.

What does Rae Sremmurd have to do with what adults liked in the 70s and 80s?

I said adults liked much of the top 40 in decades past unlike today and you keep bringing up other things which in no way refute or even relate to what I said.

that knuck if buck beat is hard af!! thats all I got.

A lot of this music is good for listening to it once. Like in the car, when I'm driving, not fully paying attention to music. Easy lyrics, easy beats, just fun music. None of it is stuff that I would go out of my way to buy or go see in concert though. I just recently went to a Hip Hop concert out here in LA, one of those radio shows with a bunch of artists on the bill, and I swear I tuned out for the entire show. A lot of hip hop nowadays sounds the same.

Something else on my mind, take it or leave it, but I feel like with hip hop, black culture overall regressed a little bit. Now I know that it brought social issues to the public mindset, and showed what life really was like in the ghetto to the rest of America. It showed just how hard it was back then, and still is now. However, I believe it really brought the mentality of a man being superior to a woman back into our mindset. With P, that completely got thrown out the window. Man and woman were equal in every way in his music. Not only that, but he completely threw the thug stereotype out the window. But with the rise of hip hop it all came back, and still exists to this day. I think only recently I've been seeing small changes, but from a young persons perspective, it really looked like black culture took one step forward and two steps back with the popularity of hip hop and street culture. Even now, with hookup culture, a "fear" of serious relationships amongst young people, and women like Blacc Chyna and Kim K in the media, it seems like it'll take a looong time to get to the kind of society that P was singing about.