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Thread started 09/24/16 8:46pm

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What ever happened to the "cover record" in popular music?

There was a time, up until the mid 80s’ where cover records were very common. And I mean very common. Artist were putting out complete albums of recent hits. It’s not done so much now if at all, why is that?

Artist from the 50’s to the 80s’ would cover the popular tune on the charts. And, they would cover it while it would sometime still be climbing the charts. I started this thread with the state “There Was a Time” on purpose. That title is a famous James Brown tune. Released as a single in late 1967, it peaked at #3 Soul and #36 Pop. Gene Chandler covered the track the next year to a #22 Soul showing.

What happened where this went out of style? Why aren’t the top starts today doing each others material?

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Reply #1 posted 09/24/16 8:50pm

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LittleBLUECorvette said:

There was a time, up until the mid 80s’ where cover records were very common. And I mean very common. Artist were putting out complete albums of recent hits. It’s not done so much now if at all, why is that?

Artist from the 50’s to the 80s’ would cover the popular tune on the charts. And, they would cover it while it would sometime still be climbing the charts. I started this thread with the state “There Was a Time” on purpose. That title is a famous James Brown tune. Released as a single in late 1967, it peaked at #3 Soul and #36 Pop. Gene Chandler covered the track the next year to a #22 Soul showing.

What happened where this went out of style? Why aren’t the top starts today doing each others material?

'Cause it ain't worth covering. razz lol

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Reply #2 posted 09/24/16 9:02pm

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purplethunder3121 said:



LittleBLUECorvette said:


There was a time, up until the mid 80s’ where cover records were very common. And I mean very common. Artist were putting out complete albums of recent hits. It’s not done so much now if at all, why is that?

Artist from the 50’s to the 80s’ would cover the popular tune on the charts. And, they would cover it while it would sometime still be climbing the charts. I started this thread with the state “There Was a Time” on purpose. That title is a famous James Brown tune. Released as a single in late 1967, it peaked at #3 Soul and #36 Pop. Gene Chandler covered the track the next year to a #22 Soul showing.

What happened where this went out of style? Why aren’t the top starts today doing each others material?



'Cause it ain't worth covering. razz lol


Well yeah, but it really went away around the late 80s'. So covering a current hit went out of style almost 30 years ago.
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Reply #3 posted 09/24/16 10:04pm

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well, ryan adams just covered the entire taylor swift album "1989",
and he did a pretty good job too. (i'd never heard the swift version
until after ryan's cover).

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Reply #4 posted 09/24/16 11:22pm

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Many hits in the modern era have been rap, and rap songs generally are tailored to whoever is performing it and don't really make sense with someone else remaking it (other than Weird Al razz). Rap also seems to place a lot of importance on the rapper writing his or her own lyrics, hence looking down on rappers using ghostwriters. Nobody cared if Frank Sinatra or The Spinners wrote their own lyrics or not or if singers from decades ago sang the same standards. I think in the past there were easy listening singers and orchestras who remade current hits for a different audience like Jim Nabors and Percy Faith Orchestra. This includes the George Martin versions of Beatles songs, like on the USA version of the Hard Day's Night soundtrack. They were the kind of acts that you'd see on the Lawrence Welk Show.

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There's the case that songs on some radio stations today are played every 20 or 30 minutes, so there's already overkill and probably people don't want to hear another version. Also on Youtube, there's many people singing the songs in their bedrooms or playing the bass line or a guitar of some song. There's got to be hundreds of versions of OutKast's Hey Ya!. So that's the new cover record. Like this:


You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #5 posted 09/25/16 12:18am

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IstenSzek said:

well, ryan adams just covered the entire taylor swift album "1989",
and he did a pretty good job too. (i'd never heard the swift version
until after ryan's cover).


That's true but it's anything but common in this day and age.

I mean you're never gonna see Alicia Keys do a cover of a recent Mary J song.
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Reply #6 posted 09/25/16 3:33am

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A relevant and relatively popular example of the previous decade would be Mark Ronson's Version album. Not all covers on it were based on then-recent songs, but two of the singles that promoted the album were: Oh My God, featuring Lily Allen and originally by Kaiser Chiefs, and most notably Valerie, with Amy Winehouse on vocals, originally performed by The Zutons. The latter single had so much success that it completely eclipsed the original to the point where most people do not even realize it's a cover.

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Also, Daniel Merriweather <3<3<3 (and yes, I realize this Smiths song was already 20 years old when Version came out)

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Reply #7 posted 09/25/16 8:17am

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It's morph into sampling............

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Reply #8 posted 09/25/16 9:09am

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could be two things

- more artists write their own song

- the costs involved in compulsery license fees

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Reply #9 posted 09/25/16 10:49am

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A lot of the older older rock era acts started out releasing covers of R&B & blues songs, like The Beatles, Rolling Stones, Elvis Presley, etc. There were acts known for covering songs like Vanilla Fudge, 5th Dimension, Rare Earth, and Luther Vandross. Even today it's the veteran artists that usually release covers albums or participate in tribute albums. It's a different time than in the past. Back then it was possible to have hit singles with instrumental songs. But a Herb Alpert & Tijuana Brass type of group wouldn't get airplay today on Top 40.

You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #10 posted 09/25/16 10:57am

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alandail said:

- the costs involved in compulsery license fees

It probably costs more to sample a song than to remake one, especially if the song contain multiple samples. Jazz perferformers today still remake songs and for the most part, jazz doesn't sell much, nor gets Top 40 airplay. I hear zydeco covers today too, and zydeco is probably less popular than jazz. So the costs can't be that much of a reason.

You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #11 posted 09/25/16 12:29pm

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LittleBLUECorvette said:

IstenSzek said:

well, ryan adams just covered the entire taylor swift album "1989",
and he did a pretty good job too. (i'd never heard the swift version
until after ryan's cover).

That's true but it's anything but common in this day and age. I mean you're never gonna see Alicia Keys do a cover of a recent Mary J song.


oh no, i didn't mean to imply that either. i was just saying ryan did it.

i would like it if more artists did. it would be pretty cool. perhaps they
cover each others songs more often in concert? i don't know i'm not
that up to date these days, i'm getting too old i guess lol

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Reply #12 posted 09/25/16 12:33pm

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I'd like to see someone do a "Best of Bieber" covers album in 10 years... razz lol

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Reply #13 posted 09/25/16 3:57pm

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Is it because older artist had more respect for each other?
Otis Redding covering Sam Cooke. The Rolling Stones covering Solomon Burke.
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Reply #14 posted 09/26/16 5:51pm

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I've thought about this myself and the biggest conclusion i came to is because artists realized they don't make much money as artists, so they either have to write or co-write their songs to get paid more. Even if they don't actually write any part of the song, they'll still get paid for that.

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Reply #15 posted 09/28/16 10:03am

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I don't quite understand this thread. Many artists record cover albums.

However, they tend to record older songs, not songs that are on the chart right now.

I don't see what is so great about covering currently popular songs and why that should be missed. I think it's a good thing if a current artist can cover an older song that their fans may not be familiar with and make people aware of songs and artists they might not otherwise listen to.

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Reply #16 posted 11/02/16 6:14pm

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Glindathegood said:

I think it's a good thing if a current artist can cover an older song that their fans may not be familiar with and make people aware of songs and artists they might not otherwise listen to.

I don't think that usually works, because many people don't know a lot of Whitney Houston songs were covers. Because she tended to remake obscure songs instead of old hits. Maybe people who heard the originals would know, but unless it's pointed out it's a remake, the average person doesn't know or care.

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Reply #17 posted 11/03/16 8:40am

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Covers are still relevant! Even if many lend themselves more to commercials, Lady Gaga doing "I Want Your Love", take it as you will but some modern pop stars covered Beibers "Love Yourself". Worldwide media has embraced the cover via shows like The Voice and the Got Talent series, I noticed on Hulu child star Billy Gilman on The Voice covering "Fight Song". The dangerous territory is also litigation and entitlement from estates, family members, surviving tambourine or cowbell players suing for millions for something they got paid for in strippers for one session in the 70s. Madonna is set to premiere her tour doc this month, she covers "If I Had A Hammer" in the trailer. In the "So What are you listening to" threads folks are posting covers. I love hearing reinterpretations, artists like Lauryn Hill are almost more popular for their voices on others songs than their own.
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Reply #18 posted 11/03/16 8:43am

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Glindathegood said:

I think it's a good thing if a current artist can cover an older song that their fans may not be familiar with and make people aware of songs and artists they might not otherwise listen to.

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Co-sign, it shows they have earned their stripes, what art they appreciate, and it also hips their audience to something they may never have considered. I remember when I saw Gnarls Barkley live years ago they did a Doors cover and I was like WTF but it was dope.

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Reply #19 posted 11/03/16 3:58pm

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people are more focused on writing their own these days. Album cuts area different sotry thoguh many like to do covers just as a album cut like Rihanna did with "Same Ol' Mistakes" or Mariah with "One More Try" recently.

Dubstep and EDM DJs recently have been remixing alot of 90s hits though like "Pony" and "This Is How We Do It" and "Alone No More" and turning it into hits.

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Reply #20 posted 11/05/16 11:13pm

alphastreet

Youtube happened. Get with it.

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Reply #21 posted 11/06/16 7:35am

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alphastreet said:

Youtube happened. Get with it.


Huh cover records went out long before the computer was a household item.
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