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How Does Rihanna & Britney Get The Vanguard At The VMA's But they wouldn't give it to someone like Pink? I've always dug pink (even when her anthems get quite cheesy) i mean she's been around for 17 years now! She was around when Britney and Christina just started and she was the less popular one. Now she's the only one of that group getting top hits in the 10's...
It's weird that she's stayed big for so long but with no respect. I don't think she ever gets Grammy or VMA awards at all. Sad that shes been around and influenced a lot of artists for almost 2 decades. But is constantly passed up by lip synching drag queens.
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*I* like Pink! | |
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Not all, but quite a few songs....Their record label paid for it. The VMA's are not a real awards ceremony. Just like how the labels pay for the artists videos to be played on MTV, they also pay for these types of awards. Payment is not always financial. Sometimes it's a case of 'give us an award and we'll give you exclusive access to the next video or your cameras can follow us on tour", things like that. | |
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"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato
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Agree Award shows are not real anymore. | |
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How did you know this? | |
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domainator2010 said:
How did you know this? I know people who have been nominated for VMA's before. I also know someone whose job it is to make these types of agreements. | |
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. She got a Grammy for 'Trouble', and she scored a handful of VMAs as well, the last of which was in 2013 for that Nate Ruess duet. . I don't think Pink's the type to lose sleep over it, though! . . I don't want your rhythm without your rhyme | |
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Interesting! Are you a part of the music industry yourself?
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domainator2010 said:
Interesting! Are you a part of the music industry yourself?
Not really anymore but two of my close friends are. I don't think it's that much of a secret that a lot of awards shows are fixed. Especially the MTV ones. You have to pay for your video to be played. The more you pay, the more it's played. The more it's played, the more chance it has of "winning" an award, especially if your label is spending millions on promoting you. Sooner or later they'll want a return on that and if you "win" an award then they can use that as further promotion and say you won x amount of awards. More awards = more publicity. More publicity = more sales, more money. | |
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EmmaMcG said: domainator2010 said:
Interesting! Are you a part of the music industry yourself?
Not really anymore but two of my close friends are. I don't think it's that much of a secret that a lot of awards shows are fixed. Especially the MTV ones. You have to pay for your video to be played. The more you pay, the more it's played. The more it's played, the more chance it has of "winning" an award, especially if your label is spending millions on promoting you. Sooner or later they'll want a return on that and if you "win" an award then they can use that as further promotion and say you won x amount of awards. More awards = more publicity. More publicity = more sales, more money. | |
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MotownSubdivision said: EmmaMcG said: Not really anymore but two of my close friends are. I don't think it's that much of a secret that a lot of awards shows are fixed. Especially the MTV ones. You have to pay for your video to be played. The more you pay, the more it's played. The more it's played, the more chance it has of "winning" an award, especially if your label is spending millions on promoting you. Sooner or later they'll want a return on that and if you "win" an award then they can use that as further promotion and say you won x amount of awards. More awards = more publicity. More publicity = more sales, more money. I remember hearing before that it was something that came in around the late 90's but I wouldn't know if that's accurate or not. Nobody I know well enough to trust 100% was involved in the music industry then. | |
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Just Music-No Categories-Enjoy It! | |
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How do you figure this? You can promote a crap artist all you like, but they'll still be crap, right....? | |
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domainator2010 said:
How do you figure this? You can promote a crap artist all you like, but they'll still be crap, right....? [Edited 9/5/16 18:23pm] | |
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domainator2010 said:
How do you figure this? You can promote a crap artist all you like, but they'll still be crap, right....? How do you think "artists" like Justin Beiber and co have taken over the charts. Look at the top 10. Go back over the last 15 years and count how many genuinely great songs appear in the chart. It can be argued that it's always been the case that the charts don't represent the best music but at least in the 80's you had acts like Prince and Michael Jackson. There's nobody of that caliber anymore and with how the music business is, there never will be. As for preventing people from knowing what's going on, there's no need to prevent it. Record executives don't care if people know what's going on. A lot of people my age (26) and younger have been raised on the kind of crap you find in the charts. They don't appreciate good music because they've never been exposed to it from an early age. They're happy to buy the latest headbanging EDM shit so they can listen to it with all their friends in "da club". | |
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There is too much pandering and payola in today's industry and the success of pop stars today is not a reflecton of geniune admiration by the masses. Its a reflection of who the industry chooses to be at the top. Showering artists with 20 or 30 awards will not change that todays artists are crap. Awards certainly is not an indicator of artistry or status. Awards nowadays are a reflection of politics, pandering and payola. [Edited 9/5/16 16:05pm] | |
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Hey - I love "Love Yourself"! | |
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domainator2010 said:
Hey - I love "Love Yourself"! There's a lot of talented guys and girls these days but unfortunately they don't get the push. Generally speaking, the more individual and unique a person is, the less likely they are to be pushed. So the people with the most talent, who want to try something different, are punished because they aren't doing the generic "dance" music you see taking up the top ten. I don't listen to the radio because there's very little on it I like. I'm assuming UK and US radio is the same as Irish radio. I actually think the org is a pretty good place to find new music you wouldn't normally hear of. Everyone on the org is a Prince fan to some degree so right there you have a shared interest. Some prefer his rock music and will talk about new rock bands who are under the radar. I like the funkier side of Prince so I pay attention to threads about those kinds of artists. I really like Dam-Funk, Harts, people like that. I didn't know who they were before the org. If you like Prince's funk tunes, check them out, especially Harts. | |
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Thank you for saying this. I go back with this board to the begining and back then it was payola to radio stations no surprise that awards work the same way. The only problem with this play for pay and awards is that most of these artist can't drag people to their live shows and live performing is were artist make their money. It is foolish on their part to go along with this stuff. They should focus on their live show and finding decent music. I doubt we are ever going to see anyone like Prince again who culitavated a following based off of the music and his live performances. | |
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The VMAs is not a legit 'award show'; It's not like there are people specialized in the music video artform who decide to hand out those trophies to people who deserve recongnition. I think it's like a festival where one hit wonders get to have some spotlight, where household names like Kanye and Rihanna spark up some controversy to gain publicity, nothing serious tbh and we shouldn't give a fuck about this lack of legitimacy. | |
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BETTER QUESTION: Why in the hell has Toni Basil AND Cyndi Lauper not received a Michael Jackson Vanguard Award yet? | |
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I stopped watching The MTV Awards a long time ago but The Michael Jackson Vanguard Award is a HUGE Honor to achieve..Mariah & LL Cool J are past honorees and they deserved it...RiRi has been around for 13yrs and the Sista is a Mega-Success, she's TOUGH & a Force of nature. I would have given the award to another Artist with staying-power but there is NO argument to say RiRi does not deserve it...Rihanna is a Bad Black Woman, yes she is....... | |
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Shawy89 said: The VMAs is not a legit 'award show'; It's not like there are people specialized in the music video artform who decide to hand out those trophies to people who deserve recongnition. It's partly because we didn't/ don't give a fuck that mainstream music is the way it is now.I think it's like a festival where one hit wonders get to have some spotlight, where household names like Kanye and Rihanna spark up some controversy to gain publicity, nothing serious tbh and we shouldn't give a fuck about this lack of legitimacy. | |
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Mostly everybody here hates Britney but you fail to realize that she is one of the biggest pop stars ever and has some of the most iconic music videos SO I get why she got the Vanguard.
Now, Rihanna? I don't see it for her. She's been around for a decade but I don't think she's had an impact on music or influenced others the way Britney has.
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I dont think she is an Icon but Britney was the last big MTV superstar that popularized the channel. They played her non stop on the channel (when it was a music channel) so I can see why in a way they would give it to Britney.
I agree with Guns that Pink is more talented and underrated. | |
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Hey btw, today is Pink's birthday! Say "Happy Birthday" guys! | |
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