By ROCK I mean the '50s sound but also '60s rock, '70s hard rock, hair, rap-rock, grunge and beyond

Rock music used to be AMERICAN MUSIC

Not anymore...

what happened? thoughts?

discuss

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JoeTyler said:

By ROCK I mean the '50s sound but also '60s rock, '70s hard rock, hair, rap-rock, grunge and beyond

Rock music used to be AMERICAN MUSIC

Not anymore...

what happened? thoughts?

discuss

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Good question. idk, blame Country music since that's been the most lasting mainstay despite all of the other changes in the Pop landscape.

If you are booking a concert tour... USA is still a "rock country".

Rock is still around, but it's not popular with the masses like it was; I think, thanks to the surge in popularity of producer-driven pop and hip-hop.

Musicslave said:

JoeTyler said:

By ROCK I mean the '50s sound but also '60s rock, '70s hard rock, hair, rap-rock, grunge and beyond

Rock music used to be AMERICAN MUSIC

Not anymore...

what happened? thoughts?

discuss

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Good question. idk, blame Country music since that's been the most lasting mainstay despite all of the other changes in the Pop landscape.

Not to mention rap/ hip hop which is basically what rock used to be and much bigger than it ever was.

MotownSubdivision said:

Musicslave said:

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Good question. idk, blame Country music since that's been the most lasting mainstay despite all of the other changes in the Pop landscape.

Not to mention rap/ hip hop which is basically what rock used to be and much bigger than it ever was.

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True. But remember, Hip Hop hasn't been the culprit as of late. EDM has replace the popularity of most rap music on Pop stations across the country. Just ask David Guetta, Diplo, Skrillex, etc. how they like cashing those checks the last couple of years. Sure, there's the occasional breakthrough or niche artist or the ever present "guest feature" but it isn't as pervasive like it used to be.

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Now, R&B stations that's different. Rap has definitely affected that genre, as far as mainstream radio is concerned. Its inescapable.

Cinny said:

If you are booking a concert tour... USA is still a "rock country".

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True. I'll take U2's touring money anyday over, say Diplo's royalties from downloads and airplay. Touring is always where its at. Always has, always will be.

Computers destroyed bands. Why would you want to deal with other humans and their egos when you can record your farts and tune them into 7000 different tracks of melodic noise from your mom's kitchen?

Musicslave said:

JoeTyler said:

By ROCK I mean the '50s sound but also '60s rock, '70s hard rock, hair, rap-rock, grunge and beyond

Rock music used to be AMERICAN MUSIC

Not anymore...

what happened? thoughts?

discuss

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Good question. idk, blame Country music since that's been the most lasting mainstay despite all of the other changes in the Pop landscape.

Yes. Reverse the terms "Rock Country" to "Country Rock".

The hair bands now wear cowboy hats, headset mics, and plaid shirts...lolol..

Ask Tom Petty.

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TheGoldStandard said:

Computers destroyed bands. Why would you want to deal with other humans and their egos when you can record your farts and tune them into 7000 different tracks of melodic noise from your mom's kitchen?

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Linn4days said:

Musicslave said:

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Good question. idk, blame Country music since that's been the most lasting mainstay despite all of the other changes in the Pop landscape.

Yes. Reverse the terms "Rock Country" to "Country Rock".

The hair bands now where cowboy hats, headset mics, and plaid shirts...lolol..

Ask Tom Petty.

That's what I was going to add...a lot of the bands that used to be "rock" have moved over to "country." If the Eagles were starting out today, they'd be considered "country."

The problem is the LABEL, not record label the labels we put on. Don Henley has some new music, in the 90's that would be straight radio material to top 40, now its considered country music station stuff. There is no freedom at radio to THINK and do what you want, play a B side, play a 12" mix, play an old song on a TOP 40 station, the same thing with Vh1 and MTV, why do their have to be "classic" stations for the older fans, when i was growing up I sat through new videos and old videos from a decade prior and thats how I grew a knowledge and wide pallet for music.

As for america not being ROCK, i disagree, maybe not on the radio, but everytime a metal band like an alter bridge or Five Finger Death Punch or Sixx A.M put out an album the shit debuts number one or close to it, the fans exist, and the album sales still show it, obviously not but old time standards, but I would say now with the exception of Taylor swift, Rock bands sell more than Rap, or RB or even pop and dance artists that have hit singles.

lastdecember said:

The problem is the LABEL, not record label the labels we put on. Don Henley has some new music, in the 90's that would be straight radio material to top 40, now its considered country music station stuff. There is no freedom at radio to THINK and do what you want, play a B side, play a 12" mix, play an old song on a TOP 40 station, the same thing with Vh1 and MTV, why do their have to be "classic" stations for the older fans, when i was growing up I sat through new videos and old videos from a decade prior and thats how I grew a knowledge and wide pallet for music.

As for america not being ROCK, i disagree, maybe not on the radio, but everytime a metal band like an alter bridge or Five Finger Death Punch or Sixx A.M put out an album the shit debuts number one or close to it, the fans exist, and the album sales still show it, obviously not but old time standards, but I would say now with the exception of Taylor swift, Rock bands sell more than Rap, or RB or even pop and dance artists that have hit singles.

I would add that it's an industry problem. It's not just labels; it's radio, MTV, VH1, etc. The problem with rock groups is that they can't easily be marketed to specific groups of people with disposable income to spend like they could in the past (i.e, 13-34 year old females). Because the music industy has abandoned developing artists in the pursuit of making a quick buck, most rock groups get very little exposure from mainstream music outlets.The only rock group currently getting any real mainstream exposure right now is Fall Out Boy, yet if you look at the Billboard 200 album chart the number one album in the country is by Disturbed, and the humber 8 album is by the metal band Ghost. Nevertheless, neither band would get any airplay on radio or TV.

Musicslave said:

interesting posts, but I wasn't talking exclusively about "bands", more of the sound itself, the concept of the guitar being the center of it all, by that I mean that certain eras of '80s Prince or 87-90 MJ could be considered as Rock Music, especially compared to mainstream 04-15 music...

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thedoorkeeper said:

Disco killed rock.

ummm, no

I remember noticing around the end of the 1990s, that there were no guitar bands on top 40 radio anymore at all. There was like one rock album in the charts at the time, and it was Creed. I remember thinking, if that's what kids today think rock and roll is about, no wonder they've gone off it.

The Little Pink Houses are now Airbnb shitholes.

Simple: In a pluralistic environment, various cultures, subcultures, artistic scenes, etc. cross-pollinate, forging constant aesthetic transformation. It's that very dynamic that gave birth to rock, a genre that itself has been recognizable only over the past 70 years or so. The U.S.A. wasn't a "rock country" before that.

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taylor swift??? she went from country to "rock" ...the country is all f'ed up

luvsexy4all said:

taylor swift??? she went from country to "rock" ...the country is all f'ed up

Taylor Switch rock?????

sax solo became guitar solo

guitar solo became guest rapper

chewymusic said:

sax solo became guitar solo

guitar solo became guest rapper

lol

There are bands out there still rocking hard. This band from Boston has a great 70s/80s rock sound. I think sooner or later people will start craving for bad boys and girls and that's when rock will return.

JoeTyler said:

thedoorkeeper said:

Disco killed rock.

ummm, no

So quaint that disco was considered 'manufactured crap' back in the day

MrsFelicityCrumble said:

JoeTyler said:

ummm, no

So quaint that disco was considered 'manufactured crap' back in the day

that doesn't mean it killed rock

disco certainly didn't kill rock