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Thread started 08/02/15 10:14pm

maxrodriguez

PRINCE.. AND JANET JACKSON

prince and janet jackson are two of my favorite artists ever, i've supported prince since watching him on american bandstand back in january 1980 and i've supported janet since buying her debut album back in late-82. anyways, i wanted to ask, is janet a fan of prince's? i've always heard that she is (and some huge janet fans also have claimed she is/was) but i have yet to see an interview/video/anything else where she states so. only link i know is that she talked about going to a prince concert back in 1981 but even since then i've always got the feeling she's a bigger fan of morris/the time. they were even gonna make a movie in the mid-80s and she has stated on several occasions how much she loved them (and lets not forget jam and lewis' help in her career). but has she ever specifically listed prince as an influence or even realy talked about him? cuz i saw her interview with The Tube in 1987 and she seemed kind of to diss his movies.

anyways would love replies. and please dont make this a janet bashfest, which seems to happen on the org lol. and yeah i know her music sounds very prince-like (her 80s work) but i want to know if shes ever said anything. are there links between the 2?

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Reply #1 posted 08/02/15 10:15pm

maxrodriguez

the interview i talked about:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmJWmnd_cyw

she seems sarcastic when complimenting purple rain

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Reply #2 posted 08/02/15 10:23pm

CharismaDove

I've also thought for the longest time that Janet seems not a fan of Prince, but of The Time, however I would love for a hardcore JanFan to prove me wrong. She sounded like him because of Jam and Lewis, but IDK if that necessarily meant SHE herself was a fan. Some heresay/rumors I've heard though: they were to collaborate in both 1986 and 1989 but both times she decided against doing duets so early in her career. She turned down her brother Michael for the same reason. Supposedly, they hung around Paisley Park in the '90s. Her favorite P song is "Soft and Wet". But of course, these are all rumors I've heard over the years without actually seeing sources, so IDK.

Some facts though: He's performed WHYDFML? multiple times in concert. Janet was involved in one of those "Prince Show" spoofs back in 2004.

Maybe eye do, just not like eye did before pimp2
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Reply #3 posted 08/03/15 6:50am

luvsexy4all

saw a pic of them together somewhere

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Reply #4 posted 08/03/15 8:54am

SummerRain

Janet somewhat had to be attracted to Prince's style of music because she went to JIMMY & Lewis, whom made her a star, to produce her only albums that had substance. I am wondering if Prince was couselded anonymously to produce her albums along with JIMMY & Lewis. The duo was good, but as you can see, not great without Prince!

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Reply #5 posted 08/03/15 11:54am

KCOOLMUZIQ

Well prince did ghost write the muziq to WHYDFML..... Which is the reason he has included it in his list 4 the last few years..

eye will ALWAYS think of prince like a "ACT OF GOD"! N another realm. eye mean of all people who might of been aliens or angels.if found out that prince wasn't of this earth, eye would not have been that surprised. R.I.P. prince
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Reply #6 posted 08/03/15 12:26pm

lowkey

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Well prince did ghost write the muziq to WHYDFML..... Which is the reason he has included it in his list 4 the last few years..

well they already had that track done before they worked with janet.

[Edited 8/3/15 12:29pm]

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Reply #7 posted 08/03/15 12:29pm

lowkey

yes janet is a prince fan, she dont name drop him as a influence because he wasnt, she didnt grow up listening to him but she is a fan of his music.also remember being a jackson janet got to meet and be around these artists so i wouldnt imagine her being starstruck by anyone, she lived in the same house with michael jackson.anytime janet talks about the artists that influenced her she names who she grew up listening to...her brothers, stevie,marvin, sly and the family stone.

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Reply #8 posted 08/03/15 1:37pm

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KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Well prince did ghost write the muziq to WHYDFML..... Which is the reason he has included it in his list 4 the last few years..

Source?

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Reply #9 posted 08/03/15 1:54pm

namepeace

The legend of "What Have You Done For Me Lately?" aside . . .

Prince was the driving force behind the Minneapolis Sound, Jam and Lewis built on that sound, and eventually, made Janet a superstar.

Jam and Lewis have talked about the imprint their time with Prince had on them, but they had a distuinguished and distinctive body of work at the time they went into they cut Control with Janet, and the three moved further away from the Minneapolis Sound after Control.

Whatever direct or indirect influence Prince had over her sound early on (her father's blunt assessment of Control being maybe the best proof), Janet's body of work, overall, went in a different direction. Janet, Jam and Lewis deserve to take credit on the merits of their own work.

Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016

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Reply #10 posted 08/03/15 2:48pm

NorthC

MotownSubdivision said:



KCOOLMUZIQ said:


Well prince did ghost write the muziq to WHYDFML..... Which is the reason he has included it in his list 4 the last few years..



Source?


KCool sez so, ther4 it Muzzt B Truu.
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Reply #11 posted 08/03/15 8:55pm

Cinny

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maxrodriguez said:

the interview i talked about:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmJWmnd_cyw

she seems sarcastic when complimenting purple rain

Janet is a total fan of Prince, but the media was having a field day for Under The Cherry Moon flopping at the box office.
Janet clearly enjoyed UTCM, and when the interviewer thought she had Janet backed into a corner complimenting a "flop", she mentioned Purple Rain.
It's the interviewer who had a stick up her cunt in regards to Prince, not Janet.

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Reply #12 posted 08/03/15 8:57pm

Cinny

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MotownSubdivision said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Well prince did ghost write the muziq to WHYDFML..... Which is the reason he has included it in his list 4 the last few years..

Source?

Prince has performed WHYDFML in his concerts saying "who wrote this???" insinuating he ghostwrote it.

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Reply #13 posted 08/03/15 10:03pm

maxrodriguez

Cinny said:

maxrodriguez said:

the interview i talked about:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmJWmnd_cyw

she seems sarcastic when complimenting purple rain

Janet is a total fan of Prince, but the media was having a field day for Under The Cherry Moon flopping at the box office.
Janet clearly enjoyed UTCM, and when the interviewer thought she had Janet backed into a corner complimenting a "flop", she mentioned Purple Rain.
It's the interviewer who had a stick up her cunt in regards to Prince, not Janet.

good response and very true, i remember that when utcm bombed, the media gleefully jumped on board and kept reminding the common folk that prince's movie had flopped loll. i guess i thought janet's response ("well you have to admire prince making the whole movie himself") semed kindof a nice way of saying it was subpar lol

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Reply #14 posted 08/03/15 10:05pm

maxrodriguez

namepeace said:

The legend of "What Have You Done For Me Lately?" aside . . .

Prince was the driving force behind the Minneapolis Sound, Jam and Lewis built on that sound, and eventually, made Janet a superstar.

Jam and Lewis have talked about the imprint their time with Prince had on them, but they had a distuinguished and distinctive body of work at the time they went into they cut Control with Janet, and the three moved further away from the Minneapolis Sound after Control.

Whatever direct or indirect influence Prince had over her sound early on (her father's blunt assessment of Control being maybe the best proof), Janet's body of work, overall, went in a different direction. Janet, Jam and Lewis deserve to take credit on the merits of their own work.

agreed. i meant in the '80s (control and a little bit of rhythm nation) were prince-ly. but janet went on to forge her own unique sound in the '90s. i was happy that people were FINALLY becoming hip to her work after control came out. before that it seemed like everybody thought of janet the same way they thought of latoya lol and that sure as hell aint a compliment!

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Reply #15 posted 08/03/15 10:06pm

maxrodriguez

CharismaDove said:

I've also thought for the longest time that Janet seems not a fan of Prince, but of The Time, however I would love for a hardcore JanFan to prove me wrong. She sounded like him because of Jam and Lewis, but IDK if that necessarily meant SHE herself was a fan. Some heresay/rumors I've heard though: they were to collaborate in both 1986 and 1989 but both times she decided against doing duets so early in her career. She turned down her brother Michael for the same reason. Supposedly, they hung around Paisley Park in the '90s. Her favorite P song is "Soft and Wet". But of course, these are all rumors I've heard over the years without actually seeing sources, so IDK.

Some facts though: He's performed WHYDFML? multiple times in concert. Janet was involved in one of those "Prince Show" spoofs back in 2004.

wow i never heard some of this thanks for this post!

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Reply #16 posted 08/03/15 10:09pm

CharismaDove

Cinny said:

MotownSubdivision said:

Source?

Prince has performed WHYDFML in his concerts saying "who wrote this???" insinuating he ghostwrote it.

Yeah, and didn't WHYDFML come from a jam session between the three (Jam, Lewis, Prince)? I forgot where I read it, someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Maybe eye do, just not like eye did before pimp2
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Reply #17 posted 08/03/15 10:11pm

CharismaDove

Oh yeah and just a random fact:

Papa Joe made that "don't make her sound like Prince" remark back in the '80s, but I read his 2004 autobiography a few weeks ago and he gave major props to P. One of the things he said was that he admired P for confronting Tatiana Thumbtzen for talking bad about Michael

Maybe eye do, just not like eye did before pimp2
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Reply #18 posted 08/04/15 6:32am

MotownSubdivis
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CharismaDove said:

Cinny said:

Prince has performed WHYDFML in his concerts saying "who wrote this???" insinuating he ghostwrote it.

Yeah, and didn't WHYDFML come from a jam session between the three (Jam, Lewis, Prince)? I forgot where I read it, someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Not saying either of you or wrong but I'll believe that when I see it.

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Reply #19 posted 08/04/15 8:09am

Cinny

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CharismaDove said:

Cinny said:

Prince has performed WHYDFML in his concerts saying "who wrote this???" insinuating he ghostwrote it.

Yeah, and didn't WHYDFML come from a jam session between the three (Jam, Lewis, Prince)? I forgot where I read it, someone correct me if I'm wrong.

During a jam at Prince's 1986 birthday show, he remarked that he didn't want any of the jam elements to show up on Jimmy Jam's next record, and sang "What Have You Done For Me Lately" at the beginning of "Controversy".

I thought Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis originally wrote WHYDFML for Sharon Bryant, but I could be confusing that story for another song on the Control album.

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Reply #20 posted 08/04/15 9:54am

namepeace

maxrodriguez said:

Cinny said:

Janet is a total fan of Prince, but the media was having a field day for Under The Cherry Moon flopping at the box office.
Janet clearly enjoyed UTCM, and when the interviewer thought she had Janet backed into a corner complimenting a "flop", she mentioned Purple Rain.
It's the interviewer who had a stick up her cunt in regards to Prince, not Janet.

good response and very true, i remember that when utcm bombed, the media gleefully jumped on board and kept reminding the common folk that prince's movie had flopped loll. i guess i thought janet's response ("well you have to admire prince making the whole movie himself") semed kindof a nice way of saying it was subpar lol


nod Prince was the Kanye West of that time period. and folks were more than happy to pile on. Janet -- who had more experience in showbiz than P at that point -- was tactful in her response.

Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016

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Reply #21 posted 08/04/15 12:58pm

Linn4days

Facts:

Someone posted a recent interview of Jimmy Jam--in whcih he stated that they wantes Prince for a duet on "Love Will Never Do Without You" --back then while recording "Rythmn Nation" CD.

She sat with Jimmy and Tery when the City of Minneapolis dedicated a day to Prince back around....2001...

My opinion:

Love Will Never Do is here answer to Mr. Nelson's song "4Ever N My Life".

Severla of her concepts have been from Prince's songs

Her session musicians on "That's The Way Love Goes" were dredited as "The Flow" in the CD booklet.. 1 year after "0+> CD".

"Runaway" similar to "Around The World N a Day"

"Escapade" is like an answer to "Raspberry Beret" and "Around The World N a Day"..

Terrence Trent D'Abry mention a CDs worth of material that they once recorded over a few days in Minneapolis, but Sony-Columbia and Warner Brothers could not come to an agreement to release it.

I assume the same might have happened with Janet..

Influenced...Fan..

Have they met, and talked? Sure.

I think as the major influence on Jimmy and Terry's production of some of her stuff.

Jam & Lewis production style is more slick and polished that Mr. Nelson's. I think they alone may be a better fit.

Prince was considering allowing Flyte Tyme to re-produce some of his unreleased stuff.. (Maybe that was way before The Original 7 could not use thier name....and some O7 members spoke ill of him in an interview.)

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Reply #22 posted 08/04/15 9:07pm

lowkey

MotownSubdivision said:

CharismaDove said:

Yeah, and didn't WHYDFML come from a jam session between the three (Jam, Lewis, Prince)? I forgot where I read it, someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Not saying either of you or wrong but I'll believe that when I see it.

jimmy said whydfml was gonna be on his and terry's album but janet heard the track and asked if she could have it.he said the track was done not the lyrics, all the lyrics for the control album came from jimmy,terry and janet spending time together,talking and learning about her life. somebody ontwitter told jimmy prince always performs that song in concert, jimmy seemed honored and happy, butthen someone told him prince implies that he wrote it and jimmy's response was something along the lines of 'he may think he wrote it'.

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Reply #23 posted 08/05/15 12:57am

BlackCat1985

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lowkey said:



MotownSubdivision said:




CharismaDove said:



Yeah, and didn't WHYDFML come from a jam session between the three (Jam, Lewis, Prince)? I forgot where I read it, someone correct me if I'm wrong.



Not saying either of you or wrong but I'll believe that when I see it.



jimmy said whydfml was gonna be on his and terry's album but janet heard the track and asked if she could have it.he said the track was done not the lyrics, all the lyrics for the control album came from jimmy,terry and janet spending time together,talking and learning about her life. somebody ontwitter told jimmy prince always performs that song in concert, jimmy seemed honored and happy, butthen someone told him prince implies that he wrote it and jimmy's response was something along the lines of 'he may think he wrote it'.


Lol! I totally remember him tweeting that. I really hate how some people try to imply that Janet somehow owes Prince her career. I don't see it. Yes Control does have that Minneapolis sound, but that's only because her producers are from there. I guess Prince being Jimmy and Terry's band leader/boss thought that anything they produced while with him was all his including WHYDFML. Whenever he performs that song people automatically say "Oh he's performing Janet's song".
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Reply #24 posted 08/05/15 4:45pm

CharismaDove

Cinny said:

CharismaDove said:

Yeah, and didn't WHYDFML come from a jam session between the three (Jam, Lewis, Prince)? I forgot where I read it, someone correct me if I'm wrong.

During a jam at Prince's 1986 birthday show, he remarked that he didn't want any of the jam elements to show up on Jimmy Jam's next record, and sang "What Have You Done For Me Lately" at the beginning of "Controversy".

I thought Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis originally wrote WHYDFML for Sharon Bryant, but I could be confusing that story for another song on the Control album.

Interesting!

Maybe eye do, just not like eye did before pimp2
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Reply #25 posted 08/05/15 4:46pm

CharismaDove

MotownSubdivision said:

CharismaDove said:

Yeah, and didn't WHYDFML come from a jam session between the three (Jam, Lewis, Prince)? I forgot where I read it, someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Not saying either of you or wrong but I'll believe that when I see it.

Yup, fair enough. I wish Prince was accessible enough to just be asked this question lol

Maybe eye do, just not like eye did before pimp2
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Reply #26 posted 08/05/15 4:49pm

CharismaDove

Linn4days said:

Facts:

Someone posted a recent interview of Jimmy Jam--in whcih he stated that they wantes Prince for a duet on "Love Will Never Do Without You" --back then while recording "Rythmn Nation" CD.

She sat with Jimmy and Tery when the City of Minneapolis dedicated a day to Prince back around....2001...

My opinion:

Love Will Never Do is here answer to Mr. Nelson's song "4Ever N My Life".

Severla of her concepts have been from Prince's songs

Her session musicians on "That's The Way Love Goes" were dredited as "The Flow" in the CD booklet.. 1 year after "0+> CD".

"Runaway" similar to "Around The World N a Day"

"Escapade" is like an answer to "Raspberry Beret" and "Around The World N a Day"..

Terrence Trent D'Abry mention a CDs worth of material that they once recorded over a few days in Minneapolis, but Sony-Columbia and Warner Brothers could not come to an agreement to release it.

I assume the same might have happened with Janet..

Influenced...Fan..

Have they met, and talked? Sure.

I think as the major influence on Jimmy and Terry's production of some of her stuff.

Jam & Lewis production style is more slick and polished that Mr. Nelson's. I think they alone may be a better fit.

Prince was considering allowing Flyte Tyme to re-produce some of his unreleased stuff.. (Maybe that was way before The Original 7 could not use thier name....and some O7 members spoke ill of him in an interview.)

I never knew that they were all there, that's cool. I also heard they used to hang around the Glam Slam club back in the '90s. And something about Prince premiering Rhythm Nation movie at the club.

For the record, if Flyte Time were to re-produce some of his unreleased shit, they could take it to another level. Prince may be a genius, but Jimmy and Terry's involvement would only help him.

Maybe eye do, just not like eye did before pimp2
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Reply #27 posted 08/06/15 10:12am

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Show me an artist who isn't a fan of Prince.............and I'll show u an artist not worth 2 cent.

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Reply #28 posted 08/06/15 11:00am

Cinny

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Graycap23 said:

Show me an artist who isn't a fan of Prince.............and I'll show u an artist not worth 2 cent.

Most artists follow their own muse. neutral

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Reply #29 posted 08/06/15 11:13am

Free2BMe

Graycap23 said:

Show me an artist who isn't a fan of Prince.....and I'll show u an artist not worth 2 cent.



Pretty arrogant statement. I would say that about anyone who made that statement about ANY artist. cool
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