MotownSubdivision said:

MotownSubdivision said:

the thing with Janet fans is....

Many of them seem angry.They don't think that Janet has gotten the recognition she deserves.They insist that she was "blacklisted" after the SuperBowl Nipplegate scandal.They resent the fact that she is not in the Rock N' Roll Hall of Fame while Madonna is.So much anger and unhappiness.

The irony is...Janet herself probably doesn't even care about any of those things Her fans need to lighten up and let it go.

SoulAlive said:

the thing with Janet fans is....

Many of them seem angry.They don't think that Janet has gotten the recognition she deserves.They insist that she was "blacklisted" after the SuperBowl Nipplegate scandal.They resent the fact that she is not in the Rock N' Roll Hall of Fame while Madonna is.So much anger and unhappiness.

The irony is...Janet herself probably doesn't even care about any of those things Her fans need to lighten up and let it go.

It's just like sports. Most sports teams especially the popular ones have

some delusional fans. All popular music artists have them as well. Take a

look here. If there is a unfavorable but reasonable comparison of Prince

vs another artist Prince die hards take it personal just like Janet, MJ, and

Madonna fans and more often than not it's not even that serious.

Everytime I open my FB/Twitter, thats all I read, the supposed fued between her & Nicki Minaj. There were even articles in regard to this drama that displayed the "white feminism" privilege vs feminism, and other social issues facing women of color as opposed to their white counterparts, etc etc etc....

Really? The media blew this thing out of proportion. They made up the fued and fueled it with other nonesense when there are real social issues at hand that need to be addressed as opposed to a make belief war between two pop tarts.

But to answer your question, yes I think Taylor is the flavor of the month.

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SoulAlive said:

This fight was so stupid LOL. Taylor just added herself in for no reason. And did anyone see Katy Perry's tweet? Something like "using the 'women shouldn't attack other women' argument while that's all you do yourself"

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MotownSubdivision said:

No I didn't. Janet stans aren't even in the Top 20 of the worst artist fanbases. [Edited 7/22/15 16:16pm]

love you but this is not true at all.

Janet fans are a very defensive fanbase because they feel Janet deserves more respect (which I agree she does) However, they at times exaggerate her accomplishments and go out there way to bring MJ and Madonna up to personally attack them.

Also to answer your original question, although Taylor is very overrated, I personally don't think the media goes to the lengths as you are making it when it comes to Taylor. They hype her, yes...but I actually think the media boasts Beyonce as the second coming of Mozart

On the Taylor/Nikki Beef: While I agree, minority artists and singers are underappreciated a great deal, however, I don't think its appropiate to use Taylor's white priveledge (in this case) as a reason for why Nikki's song did not get nominated. Beyonce and Nikki are being nominated in mulitple categories at the vma's so I am not sure why Nikki is upset. Todays pop stars like to bully other artists when they dont get their way (i.e. Kanye bullying Beck)

Taylor is 25yrs old..Makes over $80-Million a year and she's worth $200-Million+....Not bad at all...

Free2BMe said:

mjscarousal said:

CharismaDove said:

Taylor is definately over-exposed, overrated and she definately receives favor from the media. But, I don't think it's quite gotten to the extreme Beyonce level yet. It's getting there, tho. I hope she does over-throw Beyonce in the media. So sick of seeing or hearing about her everytime I turn on the TV, open a magazine, go to a website, walk in a store, go to the john.

kitbradley said:

Taylor is definately over-exposed, overrated and she definately receives favor from the media. But, I don't think it's quite gotten to the extreme Beyonce level yet. It's getting there, tho. I hope she does over-throw Beyonce in the media. So sick of seeing or hearing about her everytime I turn on the TV, open a magazine, go to a website, walk in a store, go to the john.

I'd rather nobody replace Beyonce if it means receiving the same ludicrous amount of special media treatment she gets. The moment I hear of a new female act being called "the new Beyonce" is when I ignore that artist entirely unless of course her music is good but if that's why she's the new Beyonce, then I'll pass.

MotownSubdivision said:

mjscarousal said:

love you but this is not true at all.

Janet fans are a very defensive fanbase because they feel Janet deserves more respect (which I agree she does) However, they at times exaggerate her accomplishments and go out there way to bring MJ and Madonna up to personally attack them.

Also to answer your original question, although Taylor is very overrated, I personally don't think the media goes to the lengths as you are making it when it comes to Taylor. They hype her, yes...but I actually think the media boasts Beyonce as the second coming of Mozart

On the Taylor/Nikki Beef: While I agree, minority artists and singers are underappreciated a great deal, however, I don't think its appropiate to use Taylor's white priveledge (in this case) as a reason for why Nikki's song did not get nominated. Beyonce and Nikki are being nominated in mulitple categories at the vma's so I am not sure why Nikki is upset. Todays pop stars like to bully other artists when they dont get their way (i.e. Kanye bullying Beck)

It's Beyonce though... she receives nominations for breathing. She's almost like the token black artist of award shows. I'm not buying Nicki's race card and while the media is making this into something it's not, Taylor's response to Nicki didn't help and there are some valid points being made nevertheless about intersectionality and feminism. However, if this goes any further it will be mere bells and whistles and nothing close to a serious commitment will be taken in order to fight the problem (like almost every other social issue over the past few years) yet that won't stop certain people from asserting there is no problem or try to act as though people are overreacting... as usual. However, it is bringing serious issues such as racism to support a silly, superficial feud that makes people underrate the reality and just how serious a problem racism still is. So yeah, thanks for nothing Nicki. As for Janet stans, no offense whatsoever towards you but I don't care. That's not what I made this topic for. For those trying to commandeer my topic, just quit while your ahead.

I agree with this. However, I do think Beyonce is still worth mentioning because it invalidates Nikki argument. She was insisting there were no other black females nominated that were curvy and she insisted Taylor's nominations was because of her priveledge. Beyonce as well as herself has about 5 nominations? So her race argument is just an excuse here. IMO, the issue is these award shows are just nominating pop stars who are popular and who have clout regardless of the content and quality of their material. In addition, they hardly ever show the R&B categories any love and when they do, they give it to the token black artist as you mentioned. I am not sure the motive behind why others responded to your Janet stan comment but the reason why I responded was because I disagreed. It had nothing to do with derailing your thread. Imho, anytime someone posts something on a public forum they have a right to respond to it if they choose.

kitbradley said:

Taylor is definately over-exposed, overrated and she definately receives favor from the media. But, I don't think it's quite gotten to the extreme Beyonce level yet. It's getting there, tho. I hope she does over-throw Beyonce in the media. So sick of seeing or hearing about her everytime I turn on the TV, open a magazine, go to a website, walk in a store, go to the john.

I agree. It honestly is not that hard to ignore Taylor She is no where near as exposed and overrated as Beyonce.

mjscarousal said:

MotownSubdivision said:

mjscarousal said: It's Beyonce though... she receives nominations for breathing. She's almost like the token black artist of award shows. I'm not buying Nicki's race card and while the media is making this into something it's not, Taylor's response to Nicki didn't help and there are some valid points being made nevertheless about intersectionality and feminism. However, if this goes any further it will be mere bells and whistles and nothing close to a serious commitment will be taken in order to fight the problem (like almost every other social issue over the past few years) yet that won't stop certain people from asserting there is no problem or try to act as though people are overreacting... as usual. However, it is bringing serious issues such as racism to support a silly, superficial feud that makes people underrate the reality and just how serious a problem racism still is. So yeah, thanks for nothing Nicki. As for Janet stans, no offense whatsoever towards you but I don't care. That's not what I made this topic for. For those trying to commandeer my topic, just quit while your ahead.

I agree with this. However, I do think Beyonce is still worth mentioning because it invalidates Nikki argument. She was insisting there were no other black females nominated that were curvy and she insisted Taylor's nominations was because of her priveledge. Beyonce as well as herself has about 5 nominations? So her race argument is just an excuse here. IMO, the issue is these award shows are just nominating pop stars who are popular and who have clout regardless of the content and quality of their material. In addition, they hardly ever show the R&B categories any love and when they do, they give it to the token black artist as you mentioned. I am not sure the motive behind why others responded to your Janet stan comment but the reason why I responded was because I disagreed. It had nothing to do with derailing your thread. Imho, anytime someone posts something on a public forum they have a right to respond to it if they choose.

That's fine with me, I have no issue with people responding to an unrelated detail in the OP but the first few comments of the topic had nothing to do with what I wanted to talk about so by the time you came along you just got caught in the crossfire of me trying to realign the direction. It's all good tho!

I guess you're right about Beyonce though. It's interesting that Nicki also took umbrage to having not been nominated for Best Choreography either, another category that Beyonce was nominated for but another even more overlooked fact is that she complained about how her and Beyonce's song wasn't nominated either so I doubt she was dissing Beyonce after all.

If Nicki didn't like Taylor being over-nominated (because she was) then she could've just come out and said it instead of pulling some 15 year old, passive aggressive mess and throwing shade at Taylor and then act like she wasn't referring to Taylor when mentioning "girls with slim bodies" when Taylor replied. People always say that you should separate an artist's music from their personal life but in this age of social media and easier access to celebrities' lives behind the scenes, it's nearly impossible since they showcase their personal life just as much as their music. The mystique is gone as is the likeability of most mainstream artists because of crap like this between Nicki and Taylor headlining major media outlets. Remember when this sort of thing was restrained to the entertainment section of the newspaper, websites, and magazines? It's out of control now but all for the sake of the almighty dollar.

I see & hear ZERO artistic merit.

Z E R O

kitbradley said:

The thing with the Taylors and Beys of the world is that they chart like -- but don't sell like -- the Janets and Madonnas did 20 years ago. It seems to me that they need to find different ways to make money, so they do far more endorsements, commercials, show appearances, etc. They never really take a hiatus, like Janet used to do.

MotownSubdivision said:

mjscarousal said:

I agree with this. However, I do think Beyonce is still worth mentioning because it invalidates Nikki argument. She was insisting there were no other black females nominated that were curvy and she insisted Taylor's nominations was because of her priveledge. Beyonce as well as herself has about 5 nominations? So her race argument is just an excuse here. IMO, the issue is these award shows are just nominating pop stars who are popular and who have clout regardless of the content and quality of their material. In addition, they hardly ever show the R&B categories any love and when they do, they give it to the token black artist as you mentioned. I am not sure the motive behind why others responded to your Janet stan comment but the reason why I responded was because I disagreed. It had nothing to do with derailing your thread. Imho, anytime someone posts something on a public forum they have a right to respond to it if they choose.

That's fine with me, I have no issue with people responding to an unrelated detail in the OP but the first few comments of the topic had nothing to do with what I wanted to talk about so by the time you came along you just got caught in the crossfire of me trying to realign the direction. It's all good tho!

I guess you're right about Beyonce though. It's interesting that Nicki also took umbrage to having not been nominated for Best Choreography either, another category that Beyonce was nominated for but another even more overlooked fact is that she complained about how her and Beyonce's song wasn't nominated either so I doubt she was dissing Beyonce after all.

If Nicki didn't like Taylor being over-nominated (because she was) then she could've just come out and said it instead of pulling some 15 year old, passive aggressive mess and throwing shade at Taylor and then act like she wasn't referring to Taylor when mentioning "girls with slim bodies" when Taylor replied. People always say that you should separate an artist's music from their personal life but in this age of social media and easier access to celebrities' lives behind the scenes, it's nearly impossible since they showcase their personal life just as much as their music. The mystique is gone as is the likeability of most mainstream artists because of crap like this between Nicki and Taylor headlining major media outlets. Remember when this sort of thing was restrained to the entertainment section of the newspaper, websites, and magazines? It's out of control now but all for the sake of the almighty dollar.

Agree, I just feel that today's pop stars are obnoxious and tacky. You have Beyonce singing other people's songs over here, then you have Kanye constantly taking the microphone and interrupting someone's damn speech, then you have Nikki over here who has to diss someone every time she accepts an award, then you have Jay Z who insists people should pay for his streaming service just because he is Jay Z. I am tired of ALL of them. They all are overrated and get on my damn nerves. Just go away already!!!

mjscarousal said:

kitbradley said:

Taylor is definately over-exposed, overrated and she definately receives favor from the media. But, I don't think it's quite gotten to the extreme Beyonce level yet. It's getting there, tho. I hope she does over-throw Beyonce in the media. So sick of seeing or hearing about her everytime I turn on the TV, open a magazine, go to a website, walk in a store, go to the john.

I agree. It honestly is not that hard to ignore Taylor She is no where near as exposed and overrated as Beyonce.

Agreed! I cherish the day that we don't hear anything else about Beyonce!!

SeventeenDayze said:

SeventeenDayze said:

mjscarousal said:

I agree. It honestly is not that hard to ignore Taylor She is no where near as exposed and overrated as Beyonce.

Agreed! I cherish the day that we don't hear anything else about Beyonce!!

Taylor has years of dominance ahead of her. The only female artist ever to have 3 albums sell a million copies domestically in a week. The second highest priced concert tickets of any female artist after Madonna. Can't really deny she's the biggest thing in the industry, hype or no hype.

Taylor Swift is the biggest example of how the industry has given up about finding and/or promoting the next "really" talented artist-band (since sales are at an all-time-low), and instead is heavily promoting mediocre bubblegum for cretin white teens and post-teen young women of the iPhone generation, legally downloading stuff (iTunes and such) with the credit card of their daddies...

Taylor Swift is what Miley Cirus could have been if she hadn't gone slutty-insane...

Taylor Swift represents everything that is WRONG about 2004-2015 (and counting) "music", heck no: she's the apex of post-early '90s mediocrity getting successful...she represents the worst aspects of the late'90s female singer-songwriter genre AND '90s teen-pop, + a heavy dose of '00s cynism and mediocrity...

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no, I don't like her, or her fans, or the industry-media for exposing her...

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