JoeBala said:

Erykah Badu Releases All-Star Cast Black Western Film on TIDAL

Oh, THAT'S what that poster was!

Here I thought that it might be worth not joining TIDAL.

It's not fun playing catch up, even for free.

[Edited 4/7/15 11:03am]

Cinny - I feel ya but word is this was just a project languishing "on the shelf" turned into a TIDAL incentive. Maybe we'll get that Madonna song from the Japanese tea commercials in the early 90s.

Here's the new old trailer from 2012:

TheGoldStandard said:

Cinny - I feel ya but word is this was just a project languishing "on the shelf" turned into a TIDAL incentive. Maybe we'll get that Madonna song from the Japanese tea commercials in the early 90s.

Here's the new old trailer from 2012:

Didn't know it was finished.

TheGoldStandard said:

Cinny - I feel ya but word is this was just a project languishing "on the shelf" turned into a TIDAL incentive. Maybe we'll get that Madonna song from the Japanese tea commercials in the early 90s.

Here's the new old trailer from 2012:

It wasn't shelved. It was released. This is old. You can find this on the internet. Another little gimmicky trick they trying to use.

I have several points to make...

For one who has been screaming for a couple of years...

Artist / musicians / singers need to get off their asses and handle their business, who am I to begrude them for taking steps to fight for their shit. If Jay-Z and his fellow partners of "Tidal" can pull this off, my hats off to them. Having said that...

In my humble opinion artist, musicans, singer-songwriters need to ban together to free themselves from these... sell your souls - music industry contracts. Until artist, musicians, singer- songwrites gain total control over their music, the "masters" of their creations... they'll be nicked & dimed, cheated. Jaz-Z owns a music label, is Mr. Cater willing to end the sudo-slavery / share cropping business model of the music industry? Banks, equity, and venture capitalists invest in people with ideas every day. Yes, it takes money to get an idea , a vision off the ground, but the financial institution I've mentioned don't require you to sale your intelluctal propetry away to them.

Tidal Press Conference...

An epic failure in communicating Tidal's mission statement, ego over substance. If Ms. Keys had' said the same thing, Ms. Schlogel said the day after Tidal's media extravaganza... the backlash probably wouldn't have occurred. Unfortunately, as in cases of libel or slander, most people never hear or read the explanation or next day's retraction. Instead of being clear, concise and humble; Tidal investors chose to grandstand like they were on the Grammy's red carpet

Tidal's Payment Plan.

I'd follows Amazon Prime and offer a yearly membership. Three-tier membership plan.

1. $80.00 Prime

2. 60.00

3. 40.00

Offer the top tier discounts on concert tickests and merchandise. Spread incentives of some kind to each tier. Tidal should stream live concerts, offer those concerts for free to Prime members; charge the 2 and 3 tier groups $20.00 / $25.00 to see a live streamed concert. Everyone who signs up to Tidal should get something for free, a Cap / Tidal Tee-Shirt.

Another thing about the 3-tier plan; Tidal should sale membership Music Streaming credit / gift cards in retail stores. Most teenager and some young adults don't have access to a credit card, why lose a percentage your market. Most parents aren't keen on seeing a monthly charge on their credit cards, offering a yearly membership, would be more palatable to most parents. The yearly membeship via a credit card or gift card, also give kids an option to negotiated with parents or grandparents...how they get a yearly membership.

The other thing.... get rid of the two tier music fidelity. Ms. Keys said something to the effect, that they wanted music to be respected and valued. Have respect for the listerner and give them the best fidelity so the can hear good sounding music. The two-tier shit, MP3 vs Flac is condescending.

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[Edited 4/8/15 23:31pm]

tidal -- of, pertaining to, characterized by, or subject to tides; dependent on the state of the tide as to time of departure.

tide -- a stream or current; anything that alternately rises and falls, increases and decreases, etc; current, tendency, or drift, as of events or ideas; any extreme or critical period or condition;


SOURCES:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/tidal?s=t
http://dictionary.referen...rowse/tide

Hmm, maybe the RIT DVD will be put on Tidal?

Here's what music industry insider Bob Lefsetz has to say about Tidal:

More Tidal

Source:http://lefsetz.com/wordpress/

Militant said:

Why would you pay for streaming music? Simple - the same reason you pay your water bill. For access to water when you need or want it.

I pay 7.99/month for Google Play Music, which IMO is the best service out there.

What Google provide with their service is:

- access to some 30million+ songs

- a "cloud locker" of 50,000 songs where you can upload your music.

What does this mean? It means I have access to my ENTIRE music collection, anywhere I go. All the rare funk and hip-hop stuff, single releases, b-sides, outtakes, etc. All that's in my cloud locker. And on top of that - all the music in their library of over 30 million. All the music I could ever want, plus all the music I already own, plus curated playlists, PLUS YouTube content (recently became part of Google Music via the YouTube Key merge). All in one place, accessible, from all my devices (desktop, three laptops, tablet, smart TV, phone, etc).

I love the service, but despite all the benefits, I think this price is probably too high as well, and if they'd get it down to 4.99 I'd shout from the rooftops about it even more than I already do.

Now, I believe Apple's purchase of Beats is to create a similar service within iTunes (they still don't have a streaming platform) that is said to launch this summer.

Between Google (some 80% of the mobile market with Android) and Apple (10-15%) they have the smart device market sown up, and both Google Play Music and iTunes obviously ship on these devices out of the box. Spotify has been around long enough to have developed serious partnerships, so it comes preinstalled on some devices like HTC devices, and you get a free 6 month premium subscription with a lot of cellphone service plans these days like with Vodafone here in the UK.

Tidal doesn't have the advantage of shipping on any devices, and it doesn't have the advantage of being around long enough to develop strategic partnerships like Spotify and even Deezer have done.

Even Beats Music, with it's huge brand name, was struggling in the marketplace before Apple bought the company.

I predict Tidal will crash and burn within a year.

I play google play directly from my android wear watch without touching my phone. this i have been doing since last summer

Cinny said:

JoeBala said:

Erykah Badu Releases All-Star Cast Black Western Film on TIDAL

Oh, THAT'S what that poster was!

Here I thought that it might be worth not joining TIDAL.

It's not fun playing catch up, even for free.

[Edited 4/7/15 11:03am]

This movie promo has been floating around FOR-EV-ER! I remember actually being a bit excited for it, as it has Rosario Dawson in it.. Now that it seems like it is just some 50 minute abondoned project that's being dug up to promote this streaming service, I'm really not even interested anymore.

Fuck Tidal. I want They Die By Dawn on VHS.

^ Love the typos in the press release.

lowkey said:

they turned people off with the whole presentation. instead of having real tech people explain the benefits of this product and what makes it better than whats already out there jay z thought he good just parade a bunch of big name artists in front of us and their fans would automatically jump on board.they looked like a bunch of rich narcissists coming together to con their loyal followers out of their money.

That's because these entertainers are so narcissistic, thinking that they are the end all to be all, think that they can just throw anything out there, and the masses will go for it, and just start throwing money at them, no matter what. They are so used to being worshiped and idolized by some of their idiot followers, that they think that anything they do will be glorified. All of these people need to be brought down a peg or two. Most music put out today is garbage and not worth paying a dime for, but these egotistical entertainers think anything they utter has got to be the greatest thing ever. Folks should be more than sick and tired of these morons, and more than sick and tired of giving these rich, greedy bastards their hard earned money! I'm talking concert tickets (in which are ridiculously over priced), songs, music, etc.!!! It has to stop somewhere, because it's out of control, and the rich celebs and entertainers are just getting richer and greedier while the people giving them their money are getting poorer.....wake up people, wake up!!!!

1contessa said:

lowkey said:

they turned people off with the whole presentation. instead of having real tech people explain the benefits of this product and what makes it better than whats already out there jay z thought he good just parade a bunch of big name artists in front of us and their fans would automatically jump on board.they looked like a bunch of rich narcissists coming together to con their loyal followers out of their money.

That's because these entertainers are so narcissistic, thinking that they are the end all to be all, think that they can just throw anything out there, and the masses will go for it, and just start throwing money at them, no matter what. They are so used to being worshiped and idolized by some of their idiot followers, that they think that anything they do will be glorified. All of these people need to be brought down a peg or two. Most music put out today is garbage and not worth paying a dime for, but these egotistical entertainers think anything they utter has got to be the greatest thing ever. Folks should be more than sick and tired of these morons, and more than sick and tired of giving these rich, greedy bastards their hard earned money! I'm talking concert tickets (in which are ridiculously over priced), songs, music, etc.!!! It has to stop somewhere, because it's out of control, and the rich celebs and entertainers are just getting richer and greedier while the people giving them their money are getting poorer.....wake up people, wake up!!!!

PREACH! #Truth

1contessa said:

lowkey said:

they turned people off with the whole presentation. instead of having real tech people explain the benefits of this product and what makes it better than whats already out there jay z thought he good just parade a bunch of big name artists in front of us and their fans would automatically jump on board.they looked like a bunch of rich narcissists coming together to con their loyal followers out of their money.

That's because these entertainers are so narcissistic, thinking that they are the end all to be all, think that they can just throw anything out there, and the masses will go for it, and just start throwing money at them, no matter what. They are so used to being worshiped and idolized by some of their idiot followers, that they think that anything they do will be glorified. All of these people need to be brought down a peg or two. Most music put out today is garbage and not worth paying a dime for, but these egotistical entertainers think anything they utter has got to be the greatest thing ever. Folks should be more than sick and tired of these morons, and more than sick and tired of giving these rich, greedy bastards their hard earned money! I'm talking concert tickets (in which are ridiculously over priced), songs, music, etc.!!! It has to stop somewhere, because it's out of control, and the rich celebs and entertainers are just getting richer and greedier while the people giving them their money are getting poorer.....wake up people, wake up!!!!

duccichucka said:

Here's what music industry insider Bob Lefsetz has to say about Tidal:

More Tidal

Enough already.

Tidal is a nonstarter, its only benefit is it shines light on the sphere, i.e. paid music streaming services. But the way the industry is talking about it you’d think it was a savior, it’s not.

Because it doesn’t put the consumer first.

That’s our goal. To get the consumer to pay for music.

Instead, the whole industry is jockeying for position, putting money first and leaving so much on the table.

Tidal’s flaw is it is not user-friendly. All it’s got is a bunch of stars crowing about getting screwed and taking power and a few exclusives which are readily available where people now consume music, i.e. YouTube and BitTorrent. We’ve already seen this movie before. Put the content in a walled garden, tell people to be honest and support rich people, and they ignore this willy-nilly and steal to their hearts’ content, assuming they’re paying attention at all.

And the disconnect is…

We’ve got uber-rich artists complaining they’re just not making enough.

And a plethora of unknown wannabes saying the same thing.

And you wonder why people are confused and turned-off.

Meanwhile, the holy grail of the industry is to give Jimmy Iovine exclusives and get everybody to pay Apple. Jimmy’s track record ain’t that good. He got Apple to pay a lot for Beats, but his music service was inept and laughable. And let’s not forget the Farm Club.

In other words, we’re keeping a scorecard for a game that the public is not paying attention to.

First and foremost know that the public only cares about the stars and rising artists who break through. They don’t care about much else. Sorry, mid-tier artists, it’s not Spotify that’s screwing you, but consumer indifference. When everything is available, no one’s got time for you, the same way they’ve got no time for BlackBerry or Windows Phone, they’re just not good enough, they just don’t have critical mass.

And if you’re a winner, you’re making more money than any artist has in the history of the music business, because of endorsements and ticket prices, never mind being able to reach the whole world easily. This is actually a dream, allowing everybody to sample your music without paying an intermediary, i.e. radio and retail, and at no cost to boot! You give away the razor to sell the blades. But don’t expect anybody in the music business to be smart.

And if Taylor Swift were so damn powerful, Spotify subscriptions would have tanked. But they didn’t. BECAUSE HER AUDIENCE IS NOT PAYING! How do we get the youngsters to abandon YouTube, which is free, for paying streaming services? At first by getting them to sample them, then by convincing them their friends are all there, then by ultimately charging them. Kids don’t have disposable income. They have to beg their parents for cash. They only do when they really need something and can’t get it any other way. Now, there are a zillion ways to get music for free, even legally, on YouTube, and you want to change this by collecting rich superstars who want to get richer and providing miniscule content that can be had for free almost immediately?

You must be dreaming!

And how is the CD still a thing? Apple launches a computer with no USB 3.0 ports, and we’re still selling a disc no one has a drive to play? You look forward, not back. But the truth is the entity getting screwed here is the label. But don’t cry for them, they’ve got catalog which will never expire, at least not in the U.S., where copyright keeps extending. Meanwhile, the acts are getting richer, they’re even squeezing the promoter! No one writes about that, how the acts get all the money from live shows.

So the focus is all wrong. The focus has to be on listeners, the public.

If Tidal wants to win, let people stream for free for a year. Allow them to sample. And it may be part of the rap ethos to rip off the man, the corporation, but Tidal’s ethos seems to be to rip off the public, because the musicians are supposedly being screwed. This is like having sympathy for a CEO because his options are underwater, huh?

Tidal is a bad tech play. It’s just about gaining traction to get someone with a deep pocket to buy it. Something the music business does poorly. These are amateurs playing a professional game. And no one is stupid enough to pay. The reason Apple bought Beats is because it was way behind on music streaming, the company was myopic and hadn’t developed a service. That’s right, even tech companies can get it wrong. Just like the music business has been getting it wrong time and time again, because it just wants to jet back to the past, where people buy overpriced albums like lemmings.

But those days are through. And I say good riddance. People have all the time in the world for great music, but they don’t like a gun to their head, forcing them to pay for that which they don’t want.

Want to help the music industry?

Steer them to Spotify or another streaming service with a free tier. So they can sample it, so they can see how good it is. YouTube sucks on mobile, and we live in a mobile world. Spotify is great on the handset.

And I don’t have a single share of Spotify stock, I’ve never gotten a cent from the company. But I’m realistic. There is only one winner online. And Spotify has a huge head start. Trying to topple Spotify is like trying to topple Google or Amazon, and we all have complaints about Amazon, but we all love their customer service, it’s prompt and they’ll take anything back. Just try to get a hold of someone at a ticketing company, never mind a record company, there’s no such thing as customer service in the music industry, the public pays and pays and gets screwed and screwed and you think they’re gonna wake up and “do the right thing”? Come on, don’t be ridiculous.

Apple should have a free tier. Since not everybody subscribes to a streaming service, there’s a chance Spotify could be dethroned. But not by an entity that’s a walled garden. Meanwhile, by separating exclusives we’re just forcing the public to steal. That’s a solution? Spotify has reduced piracy and now we’re gonna bring it back?

MTV was hampered by a small footprint. They gathered artists to launch the “I Want My MTV” campaign imploring fans to lobby their cable systems to add the service. What happened? SUCCESS! Where is this same campaign today? Everybody’s so worried about giving the money to someone else that they’re stuck in the past with rearguard efforts.

How are we going to get people to adopt streaming music services?

That’s the question.

Getting them to pay COMES AFTER THAT!

Source:http://lefsetz.com/wordpress/

Church!

Flopped.

http://bgr.com/2015/04/21/tidal-vs-pandora-vs-spotify/

http://www.nme.com/news/various-artists/84789

Photo: Press

A new reports claims Spotify is now worth more than the entire US music industry combined.

For the first time in history, revenue maintained from music streaming services has exceeded CD sales. Now, after receiving £265 million ($400 million) in funding, The Wall Street Journal reports that Spotify is currently worth more than the US recorded music industry as a whole.

The streaming service is now reported to have an estimated net value of £5.5 billion ($8.4 billion), which is said to be more than double of Pandora, its nearest rival, worth an estimated £2.3 billion ($3.5 billion) in its current state. In 2014, the revenue of the music industry was £4.62 billion ($6.97 billion), which includes physical sales, digital purchases and also streaming.

The Recording Industry Association of America (RIAA) have said that streaming income makes up 27% of the money made by the music industry, and Spotify is a large contributor to this percentage. However, the Swedish-founded company is still worth every retail music revenue source in the US put together.

Ed Sheeran recently becam...fy streams. The singer and guitarist follows Eminem in reaching the milestone, beating Calvin Harris who, last September, became the first British solo artist...on stream mark.

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This is probably why they made Tidal. Because someone else made it first.

^ Dayum! How things have changed since I was a kid...

1contessa said:

lowkey said:

they turned people off with the whole presentation. instead of having real tech people explain the benefits of this product and what makes it better than whats already out there jay z thought he good just parade a bunch of big name artists in front of us and their fans would automatically jump on board.they looked like a bunch of rich narcissists coming together to con their loyal followers out of their money.

That's because these entertainers are so narcissistic, thinking that they are the end all to be all, think that they can just throw anything out there, and the masses will go for it, and just start throwing money at them, no matter what. They are so used to being worshiped and idolized by some of their idiot followers, that they think that anything they do will be glorified. All of these people need to be brought down a peg or two. Most music put out today is garbage and not worth paying a dime for, but these egotistical entertainers think anything they utter has got to be the greatest thing ever. Folks should be more than sick and tired of these morons, and more than sick and tired of giving these rich, greedy bastards their hard earned money! I'm talking concert tickets (in which are ridiculously over priced), songs, music, etc.!!! It has to stop somewhere, because it's out of control, and the rich celebs and entertainers are just getting richer and greedier while the people giving them their money are getting poorer.....wake up people, wake up!!!!

GREAT POST!!!

I buy CDs I like and everyone thing else is downloaded via torrent for free.

Tidal pays 75% royalty rate to ALL artists, writers and producers. - Jay Z

To be fair, that is better than any other outlet.

If you want to support artists and used to do so in the old format (physical) than something like this would be for you.

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Perhaps putting forward independent artists or studio only acts as the face would be better, pushing it to those who want to support these artists directly.

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[Edited 4/27/15 1:23am]

MidniteMagnet said:

I buy CDs I like and everyone thing else is downloaded via torrent for free.

You buy the CDs you like, so you don't like everything else you download?

Cinny said:

MidniteMagnet said:

I buy CDs I like and everyone thing else is downloaded via torrent for free.

You buy the CDs you like, so you don't like everything else you download?

That was how I read that too. Why bother downloading stuff you don't like?

TIDAL is dead.

Next!

i got to use Google Play at a barbecue this weekend, and I couldn't tell it wasn't lossless.

Cinny said:

i got to use Google Play at a barbecue this weekend, and I couldn't tell it wasn't lossless.

I think its all relavtive...

The marketing of streaming sites . that you are listening to high fidelity / lossless files for most people comes with a shrug. Modest priced, amp, DAC, headphones, speakers or soundcard these days can greatly improve the sound of most music in any format.

JanetSerbia said:

TIDAL is dead.

Next!

End of!