Trent will get in and I won't really have a problem with it being closer to the 25th anniversary of The Downward Spiral than Pretty Hate Machine.

It seems Paul got Ringo in as he wasn't in the list of nominees:

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Green Day

Nine Inch Nails

N.W.A

The Smiths

Lou Reed

Sting

Paul Butterfield Blues Band

Kraftwerk

Chic

Joan Jett & the Blackhearts

The Marvelettes

The Spinners

Stevie Ray Vaughan

War

Bill Withers

Cerebus said:

I actually think it's pretty solid, although I'm not really feeling Lou Reed getting in the year after he died. I mean, his music is no more important now than it was before he died and he's been eligible for a while.

There's a lot of different things that go into the induction process, and unfortunately no method will ever be perfect. Basically they like to get a good mix of inductees (different genres, different eras, male & female, etc) and some of them obviously have to be alive and willing to perform ... otherwise there would be no performances.

I attended the 2012 induction, it was literally 5 non-stop hours. For any show to be that long you've got to have a good mix and good performances, therefore sometimes artists won't get inducted in a certain year for reasons beyond their control.

And sometimes it takes voters a while to be convinced that an artist is worthy, just like in baseball. Hell it took 15 years of being on the ballot before Jim Rice got inducted into Cooperstown.

They really should have just left Ringo out. He's not important as a solo artist at all.

Somehow I feel Lou being in as a member of VU would have been enough too, although sure, the guy's done some great solo records as well. I don't really understand this "getting inducted twice" stuff when there are so many other names that deserve recognition (especially some British bands).

Yeah, a weak and a boring list on the whole. At least the last few years were funny with the GnR and KISS fiascos.

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Just so everyone is clear, Ringo Starr is getting some kind of "special" award/induction. I don't believe he's actually being inducted on just the artistic merit of his solo career/output. Thid is why he wasn't on the ballot.

Glad for Lour Reed, Joan Jett, Bill Withers, SRV. But Green Day? lawd...

The fact that Green Day is in BEFORE NWA, WAR and Chic seals the deal that the RHOF should not be taken seriously anymore.

NWA was DEFINITLY snubbed. I am happy for Bill Withers though!

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SoulAlive said:

it's such a shame that War isn't being inducted Here's a band who could play funk,latin,rock and jazz.They successfully blended those genres together and had alot of major hits in the 70s.Damn shame.

Yea it is a shame. The RHOF has a vendetta against them for some reason. They are always snubbed.

really happy stevie ray made it in... long overdue

mjscarousal said:

RHOF should not be taken seriously anymore.

The fact Green Day is in at all shouldn't be

This is the same thread as the year before, the year before that one and the year before that one.

Cerebus said:

Just so everyone is clear, Ringo Starr is getting some kind of "special" award/induction. I don't believe he's actually being inducted on just the artistic merit of his solo career/output. Thid is why he wasn't on the ballot.

Ringo is getting a "Musical Excellence"award, which was formerly listed as a sidemen honor. So it appears that he is getting in for his drumming work, and not his solo career

mjscarousal said:

SoulAlive said:

it's such a shame that War isn't being inducted Here's a band who could play funk,latin,rock and jazz.They successfully blended those genres together and had alot of major hits in the 70s.Damn shame.

Yea it is a shame. The RHOF has a vendetta against them for some reason. They are always snubbed.

It's ridiculous,isn't it? GreenDay gets in before WAR?! I can't even name a GreenDay song,and yet everyone knows songs like "Why Can't We Be Friends" and "Lowrider"!

Cerebus said:

Just so everyone is clear, Ringo Starr is getting some kind of "special" award/induction. I don't believe he's actually being inducted on just the artistic merit of his solo career/output. Thid is why he wasn't on the ballot.

Ok, thanks.

Not that this is anything too important to me.

I'm rooting for "my boy" Todd Rundgren to get in there though. If not due to his popularity, he always had very modest sales himself, then at least due to his "musical excellency". In addition to his own great music he produced so many other artists.

Pokeno4Money said:

Ringo Starr

The 5 Royales

Paul Butterfield Blues Band

Green Day

Joan Jett & The Blackhearts

Lou Reed

Bill Withers

Stevie Ray Vaughan & Double Trouble

I think they are all good choices. Some in the hip hop community are outraged that NWA didn't get in, but let's be real ... they didn't have the impact that inductees Run DMC, Public Enemy, Beastie Boys or Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five all had.

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Honestly, I'm "convince" that NWA is getting screwed out of chances of getting in the R&RHOF because they were NOT east coast hip-hop/rap.

Yes, I said it! And the part about NWA not having any impact is total bullshit. Excuse all of the haters, but without NWA, there is no gangsta style of hip-hop/rap AND there would have never been any open window of opportunities for west coast hip-hop/rap to go mainstream at all.

Pokeno4Money said:

Ringo Starr

The 5 Royales

Paul Butterfield Blues Band

Green Day

Joan Jett & The Blackhearts

Lou Reed

Bill Withers

Stevie Ray Vaughan & Double Trouble

I think they are all good choices. Some in the hip hop community are outraged that NWA didn't get in, but let's be real ... they didn't have the impact that inductees Run DMC, Public Enemy, Beastie Boys or Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five all had.

[Edited 12/16/14 7:04am]

GOOD NEWS: I'm happy of Joan, who was already in the R&RHOF as a member of The Runaways. It's good to see Bill Withers in there as well.

BAD NEWS: Once again, Janet Jackson is not in. Neither are The Go-Gos or Cameo.

Ringo Starr?? Why? What did he do, besides being the drummer of the Beatles??

SoulAlive said:

From true WARrior, Angelique Dickerson -
"Im disappointed In your decisions. I truly think that everyone involved should have promoted War alot more than you did. The Lowrider Band and their fans did WAY more promo and voting and it seems like the votes didnt move at all. My father and the rest of the band have been nominated 3 times and STILL hasnt been inducted. But Greenday? Really? Are you serious?? What musicial contributions have they made? The pure heart, soul, blood sweat and tears of Los Angeles were poured into WARs music. Their music is iconic and is everywhere and EVERYONE knows who they are. The music is classic, but thats the point.. INDUCT THOSE WHO MADE THE WORLD DANCE AND SING NOT SOME TRASH ASS BAND WITH A FEW SONGS THAT I SANG ALONG TO IN JUNIOR HIGHSCHOOL. You guys should have made a better choice and I truly feel the people's choice was not accepted. Im saddened by your selection.
Sincerely,
Angelique Dickerson
Daughter of BB Dickerson the original bassist for the group, WAR and The Lowrider band."

Everyone?? Nope. I don't. Never heard of them, whereas I know who the other band is. Seriously, family members of nominated acts should just stfu.

PatrickS77 said:

SoulAlive said:

From true WARrior, Angelique Dickerson -
"Im disappointed In your decisions. I truly think that everyone involved should have promoted War alot more than you did. The Lowrider Band and their fans did WAY more promo and voting and it seems like the votes didnt move at all. My father and the rest of the band have been nominated 3 times and STILL hasnt been inducted. But Greenday? Really? Are you serious?? What musicial contributions have they made? The pure heart, soul, blood sweat and tears of Los Angeles were poured into WARs music. Their music is iconic and is everywhere and EVERYONE knows who they are. The music is classic, but thats the point.. INDUCT THOSE WHO MADE THE WORLD DANCE AND SING NOT SOME TRASH ASS BAND WITH A FEW SONGS THAT I SANG ALONG TO IN JUNIOR HIGHSCHOOL. You guys should have made a better choice and I truly feel the people's choice was not accepted. Im saddened by your selection.
Sincerely,
Angelique Dickerson
Daughter of BB Dickerson the original bassist for the group, WAR and The Lowrider band."

Everyone?? Nope. I don't. Never heard of them, whereas I know who the other band is. Seriously, family members of nominated acts should just stfu.

I don't know how old you are,or where you live,but WAR was an extremely popular,influential band here in the US.Their 1973 album 'The World Is A Ghetto' is actually the biggest selling album of that year.Go to youtube and do a little research

lazycrockett said:

This is the same thread as the year before, the year before that one and the year before that one.

Slowly the Hall has been inducting those that have been snubbed in the past. Most rock fans had been angry that Rush & Kiss weren't in after many years of eligibility, but they got in during the past couple years. Really there's only one band now that virtually everyone feels should have gotten in long ago - Deep Purple.

This was Lenny's first year of eligibility, should he eventually get in? I say yes.

Pokeno4Money said:

Green Day

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TonyVanDam said:

Pokeno4Money said:

Ringo Starr

The 5 Royales

Paul Butterfield Blues Band

Green Day

Joan Jett & The Blackhearts

Lou Reed

Bill Withers

Stevie Ray Vaughan & Double Trouble

I think they are all good choices. Some in the hip hop community are outraged that NWA didn't get in, but let's be real ... they didn't have the impact that inductees Run DMC, Public Enemy, Beastie Boys or Grandmaster Flash & The Furious Five all had.

[Edited 12/16/14 7:04am]

Honestly, I'm "convince" that NWA is getting screwed out of chances of getting in the R&RHOF because they were NOT east coast hip-hop/rap.

Yes, I said it! And the part about NWA not having any impact is total bullshit. Excuse all of the haters, but without NWA, there is no gangsta style of hip-hop/rap AND there would have never been any open window of opportunities for west coast hip-hop/rap to go mainstream at all.

This was only NWA's third year of eligibility, I'd say they do get in eventually. Surely you can't compare them to Run DMC or Public Enemy who both got in their first year of eligibility.

A much better comp for NWA would be the Beastie Boys who got inducted in their fifth year of eligibility. Both groups were instrumental in advancing sub-genres, but neither was revolutionary or did anything groundbreaking when it comes to rap ... certainly not like DMC and PE did.

Contrary to what many younger folks seem to think, NWA did not create gangsta.

Check out Schoolly D (1984-1985):

Schoolly passed the gangsta onto Beastie Boys (1986):

But there ain't nothin' that came before the very first conscious rap song, the first one about what inner city life was really like:

[Edited 12/21/14 17:43pm]

^^Some of the lyrics in The Message was rehashed from 1979's Superrappin'.

There's also these 2 songs from 1978 and 1980

MickyDolenz said:

^^Some of the lyrics in The Message was rehashed from 1979's Superrappin'.

Interesting stuff, I had never even heard of Runaways or Sweet Tee. Thanks for posting.

You made me feel younger, which is always a good thing.

Pokeno4Money said:

Interesting stuff, I had never even heard of Runaways or Sweet Tee. Thanks for posting.

You made me feel younger, which is always a good thing.

There's a different rapper called Sweet Tee from the mid 1980s. This one, Tanya Winley, only recorded 3 or 4 songs, 2 of them was with her sister Paulette. Their father Paul was a songwriter who started his own record label in the 1950s. Their mother Ann also released a few singles.

The part used in The Message is at 9:53-11:00

Pokeno4Money said:

TonyVanDam said:

Honestly, I'm "convince" that NWA is getting screwed out of chances of getting in the R&RHOF because they were NOT east coast hip-hop/rap.

Yes, I said it! And the part about NWA not having any impact is total bullshit. Excuse all of the haters, but without NWA, there is no gangsta style of hip-hop/rap AND there would have never been any open window of opportunities for west coast hip-hop/rap to go mainstream at all.

This was only NWA's third year of eligibility, I'd say they do get in eventually. Surely you can't compare them to Run DMC or Public Enemy who both got in their first year of eligibility.

A much better comp for NWA would be the Beastie Boys who got inducted in their fifth year of eligibility. Both groups were instrumental in advancing sub-genres, but neither was revolutionary or did anything groundbreaking when it comes to rap ... certainly not like DMC and PE did.

Contrary to what many younger folks seem to think, NWA did not create gangsta.

Check out Schoolly D (1984-1985):

I'm age 40. I'm not as young as you think I am. I already know about Schoolly D. But his impact was small compare to the massive impact of NWA classics like Straight Outta Compton, Gangsta Gangsta, & F*** Tha Police.