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Thread started 09/13/14 5:11pm

HAPPYPERSON

Destiny & Triumph are excellent albums but sadly unsung

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adjective \ˌən-ˈsəŋ\ : not given attention and praise that is deserved for doing good things








The Jacksons' best output. It's crazy that these two albums are not celebrated similar to the likes of Stevie Wonder's Innervisions & Songs in the Key of Life, Marvin Gaye's What's Going On & Let's Get It On, MJ's Off The Wall & Thriller, and Janet's Control & Rhythm Nation 1814 in the music world. They are only known for the Motown hit singles and a couple of singles on Epic.

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Reply #1 posted 09/13/14 5:13pm

HuMpThAnG

2 great albums indeed nod

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Reply #2 posted 09/13/14 5:14pm

SoulAlive

I think Destiny is the Jacksons' best album.Every song on there is excellent.

I don't like Triumph as much,but it does have some outstanding tracks on it ("Walk Right Now" is great).

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Reply #3 posted 09/13/14 5:24pm

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Haven't listened to "Destiny" but "Triumph" is FIRE and greatly overlooked even in retrospect.
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Reply #4 posted 09/13/14 6:05pm

mjscarousal

Destiny and Triumph are R&B gems that are tremendously underrated. The Jacksons disography overall is completely overlooked. They are definitly two unsung albums for sure! I find myself listening to Triumph more though.

[Edited 9/13/14 18:23pm]

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Reply #5 posted 09/13/14 6:11pm

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They're two wonderful albums without a doubt, and true team efforts, although I've also always had a perverse fondness for Victory (oi, don't judge). The entire J5/Jacksons catalogue is very solid though, with and without Michael.
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Reply #6 posted 09/13/14 6:15pm

MotownSubdivis
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ChickenMcNuggets said:

They're two wonderful albums without a doubt, and true team efforts, although I've also always had a perverse fondness for Victory (oi, don't judge). The entire J5/Jacksons catalogue is very solid though, with and without Michael.
I also kinda like what I've heard of "2300 Jackson Street" though many on here claim that to be the worst Jacksons album next to "Victory" whih was more of a big disappointment than an actual bad album (too many slow jams and not enough uptempo, danceable "victorious" songs).
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Reply #7 posted 09/13/14 6:30pm

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MotownSubdivision said:

I also kinda like what I've heard of "2300 Jackson Street" though many on here claim that to be the worst Jacksons album next to "Victory" whih was more of a big disappointment than an actual bad album (too many slow jams and not enough uptempo, danceable "victorious" songs).

It's generally 'Michael only' fans who say that because they do not like the other siblings, especially on a Michael site. Nothin' was a Top 10 R&B hit.

You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #8 posted 09/13/14 6:48pm

MotownSubdivis
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MickyDolenz said:



MotownSubdivision said:


I also kinda like what I've heard of "2300 Jackson Street" though many on here claim that to be the worst Jacksons album next to "Victory" whih was more of a big disappointment than an actual bad album (too many slow jams and not enough uptempo, danceable "victorious" songs).


It's generally 'Michael only' fans who say that because they do not like the other siblings, especially on a Michael site. Nothin' was a Top 10 R&B hit.

Dang mayne, you've been answering my questions, tying up loose ends, and providing info for me left and right today!

That's a shame though. Many people need to realize that Michael wasn't the only talented person from the Jackson family.
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Reply #9 posted 09/13/14 6:56pm

HuMpThAnG

MotownSubdivision said:

MickyDolenz said:

It's generally 'Michael only' fans who say that because they do not like the other siblings, especially on a Michael site. Nothin' was a Top 10 R&B hit.

Dang mayne, you've been answering my questions, tying up loose ends, and providing info for me left and right today! That's a shame though. Many people need to realize that Michael wasn't the only talented person from the Jackson family.

welllll lol

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Reply #10 posted 09/13/14 7:16pm

MotownSubdivis
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HuMpThAnG said:



MotownSubdivision said:


MickyDolenz said:



It's generally 'Michael only' fans who say that because they do not like the other siblings, especially on a Michael site. Nothin' was a Top 10 R&B hit.



Dang mayne, you've been answering my questions, tying up loose ends, and providing info for me left and right today! That's a shame though. Many people need to realize that Michael wasn't the only talented person from the Jackson family.

welllll lol

Yeeees...?
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Reply #11 posted 09/13/14 8:15pm

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I think Destiny and Triumph are their finest albums--both are underrated gems which is a shame. I really like Destiny but I LOVE Triumph more! That's my favorite Jackson album. It's a classic that really displayed the talents of every brother nod

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Reply #12 posted 09/14/14 12:55am

alphastreet

Pardon my bluntness, but I don't think any mj fan can truly appreciate his artistry without acknowledging the rawness of these amazing albums, as well as the other two before it. One can still appreciate the brothers without being fanatics of them like with these albums, they are mj's blood the end of the day despite shortcomings, what they've done in their creative period here on these albums is magical and can only come from brotherly love.
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Reply #13 posted 09/14/14 3:59am

JoeTyler

if anything, these two album show how much I LIKE The Jacksons and how much I dislike The Jackson 5

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Reply #14 posted 09/14/14 6:14am

ChickenMcNugge
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MotownSubdivision said:

ChickenMcNuggets said:

They're two wonderful albums without a doubt, and true team efforts, although I've also always had a perverse fondness for Victory (oi, don't judge). The entire J5/Jacksons catalogue is very solid though, with and without Michael.
I also kinda like what I've heard of "2300 Jackson Street" though many on here claim that to be the worst Jacksons album next to "Victory" whih was more of a big disappointment than an actual bad album (too many slow jams and not enough uptempo, danceable "victorious" songs).


2300 Jackson Street might indeed be the worst (at least if the count the J5 stuff separately), but that doesn't make it a bad album. The other brothers weren't mere passengers to Michael - Jermaine had a good string of pop and R&B hits and the other brothers contributed to a lot of the songwriting on Destiny/Triumph/Victory.

I just saw them at the Hardwick Live festival here in England. They can still put on a great show. smile
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alphastreet

They are fabulous onstage, I'm so relieved I caught them on opening night and can't believe I nearly missed out.

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Reply #16 posted 09/14/14 8:52am

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JoeTyler said:

if anything, these two album show how much I LIKE The Jacksons and how much I dislike The Jackson 5

How?
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Reply #17 posted 09/14/14 10:39am

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I think it isn't all that surprising Destiny and Triumph are slept on these days. I especially love Destiny, it's a more-than-solid record. But I can see how it would be overlooked for the sake of other soul albums that were coming out in the same timeframe, one of which was MJ's Off The Wall.

I do think the lingering popularity of the hit singles off these two albums, 'Blame It On The Boogie', 'Shake Your Body', and 'Can You Feel It?' -which remain guaranteed floor-fillers- is a testimony to the excellence of the music.

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I don't want your rhythm without your rhyme
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Reply #18 posted 09/14/14 1:05pm

HAPPYPERSON

JoeTyler said:

if anything, these two album show how much I LIKE The Jacksons and how much I dislike The Jackson 5

One thing I detested is that Motown had the Jackson five covering other artists songs :/ Even though it was a standard thing to do.

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Reply #19 posted 09/14/14 1:39pm

JoeTyler

MotownSubdivision said:

JoeTyler said:

if anything, these two album show how much I LIKE The Jacksons and how much I dislike The Jackson 5

How?

The Jacksons was a group of young MEN playing funk/rock/disco/ballads

the Jackson 5 was music for toddlers + some ballads with adult lyrics that felt totally out of place when singed by a KID

my opinion, of course

tinkerbell
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Reply #20 posted 09/14/14 6:07pm

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Love these albums. Great stuff on both. As great as anything Michael did on his own.
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Reply #21 posted 09/14/14 11:19pm

alphastreet

I bought these albums when close to the same age mj was when they were released, though I knew some of the singles for many years cause of the radio and mj vhs releases I had. It was a fresh departure from "king of pop mj" though I would constantly play the epic solo stuff as well, it definitely felt like a switch. And that Jacksons Live album is some raw shit that needs to be released on blu ray.

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Reply #22 posted 09/15/14 7:58am

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Loved both.........but they did not age well.

FOOLS multiply when WISE Men & Women are silent.
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Reply #23 posted 09/15/14 8:32am

HAPPYPERSON

Some interesting comments on another forum regarding this topic. Do you guys agree with these statements?

I don't understand who's more to blame for these albums being overlooked--lazy music critics or The Jacksons themselves. In many cases, artists have to keep mentioning their work to make people aware of it, and sometimes they have to shove it down the public's throat like The Beatles do to keep it relevant.

The Jacksons have to become more active in promoting their catalogue, because most music critics are idiots and casual fans typically roll with the tide anyway. With that said, it's a shame both these albums are forgotten; even r&b music critics never mention them.

I totally agree with what you said, however there seems to be a lack of respect by The Jacksons themselves towards their own body of work vs their Motown stuff...I love the J5, but The Jacksons and Michael Jackson took it to another level when they signed to Epic...

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Reply #24 posted 09/15/14 9:05am

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I don't understand who's more to blame for these albums being overlooked--lazy music critics or The Jacksons themselves. In many cases, artists have to keep mentioning their work to make people aware of it, and sometimes they have to shove it down the public's throat like The Beatles do to keep it relevant.


The Jacksons have to become more active in promoting their catalogue, because most music critics are idiots and casual fans typically roll with the tide anyway. With that said, it's a shame both these albums are forgotten; even r&b music critics never mention them.

The Beatles and their songs are more well known than The Jacksons'. Yesterday is one of the most covered songs since the record business began. The Jackson 5 crossed over more to Top 40 than The Jacksons did. R&B acts usually don't get the same attention from the general public and record labels like classic rock (ig. Pink Floyd). R&B doesn't get the extravagant reissues and a lot of the albums are out of print except maybe in Japan.

I totally agree with what you said, however there seems to be a lack of respect by The Jacksons themselves towards their own body of work vs their Motown stuff...I love the J5, but The Jacksons and Michael Jackson took it to another level when they signed to Epic...

On the local oldies and oldies R&B stations I hear J5 songs more than Jacksons. The only Jacksons songs I hear played are Shake Your Body, Enjoy Yourself, and Heartbreak Hotel and every once in awhile Show You The Way To Go. But none of those get the same amount of play as I Want You Back. So if the J5 songs get more attention, then I suppose the group would focus more on those. Even Michael always did a J5 medley but on later tours there were fewer Jacksons songs.

You can take a black guy to Nashville from right out of the cotton fields with bib overalls, and they will call him R&B. You can take a white guy in a pin-stripe suit who’s never seen a cotton field, and they will call him country. ~ O. B. McClinton
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Reply #25 posted 09/15/14 9:12am

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JoeTyler said:

MotownSubdivision said:

JoeTyler said: How?

The Jacksons was a group of young MEN playing funk/rock/disco/ballads

the Jackson 5 was music for toddlers + some ballads with adult lyrics that felt totally out of place when singed by a KID

my opinion, of course

I understand though I disagree. However I do find myself listening to more Jacksons' songs than J5 songs lately. They're more appealing and silky smooth to the ears.

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Reply #26 posted 09/15/14 12:12pm

CoolMF

Poplife88 said:

Love these albums. Great stuff on both. As great as anything Michael did on his own.

I caught the Jacksons show (Jermaine, Jackie, Marlon, and Tito) a few weeks ago and was pleasantly surprised to hear them sing the full "Push Me Away".

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Reply #27 posted 09/15/14 1:04pm

HAPPYPERSON

hese are the songs that sampled Can You Feel It

Hook / Riff
Rock / Pop
What Goes Around.../...Comes Around
by Justin Timberlake (2006)

Hook / Riff
Hip-Hop / R&B
Hard
by Rihanna feat. Young Jeezy (2009)

Bass
Rock / Pop
Material Girl
by Madonna (1984)

Hook / Riff
Rock / Pop Sorry
by Madonna (2005)

Multiple Elements
Electronic /
Dance Feel It
by The Tamperer Featuring Maya (1998)

Hook / Riff
Electronic /
Dance Take It Off
by Ke$ha (2010
)
Hook / Riff
Hip-Hop / R&B
Prima Donna
by Christina Aguilera and Lil Jon (2010)

Multiple Elements
Hip-Hop / R&B Blackstreet
Intro / Can You Feel Me
by Blackstreet (1999)

Multiple Elements
Hip-Hop / R&B
Feel It
by Charli Baltimore (1999)

Bass
Electronic / Dance
Satellites
by September (2005)

Bass
Soul / Funk / Disco
Desire
by The Gap Band (1986)

Multiple Elements
Other The Official BBC
Children in Need Medley
by Peter Kay's Animated All Star Band (2009)

Multiple Elements
Electronic / Dance
Can You Feel It?
by Parkride (1998)

Multiple Elements
Soundtrack The Immortal Megamix
by Michael Jackson (2011)

Hook / Riff
Soundtrack
Material Girls
by Hilary Duff and Haylie Duff (2006)

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Reply #28 posted 09/15/14 1:21pm

LittleBLUECorv
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There is nothing bad about 2300 Jackson Street. It's so good, 2 B-Sids didn't even make the album.

She

Harley

Midnight Rendevous

Play It Up

Private Affair

PRINCE: Always and Forever
MICHAEL JACKSON: Always and Forever
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Live Your Life How U Wanna Live It
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Reply #29 posted 09/15/14 3:47pm

JabarR74

HAPPYPERSON said:

hese are the songs that sampled Can You Feel It

Hook / Riff
Rock / Pop
What Goes Around.../...Comes Around
by Justin Timberlake (2006)

Hook / Riff
Hip-Hop / R&B
Hard
by Rihanna feat. Young Jeezy (2009)

Bass
Rock / Pop
Material Girl
by Madonna (1984)

Hook / Riff
Rock / Pop Sorry
by Madonna (2005)

Multiple Elements
Electronic /
Dance Feel It
by The Tamperer Featuring Maya (1998)

Hook / Riff
Electronic /
Dance Take It Off
by Ke$ha (2010
)
Hook / Riff
Hip-Hop / R&B
Prima Donna
by Christina Aguilera and Lil Jon (2010)

Multiple Elements
Hip-Hop / R&B Blackstreet
Intro / Can You Feel Me
by Blackstreet (1999)

Multiple Elements
Hip-Hop / R&B
Feel It
by Charli Baltimore (1999)

Bass
Electronic / Dance
Satellites
by September (2005)

Bass
Soul / Funk / Disco
Desire
by The Gap Band (1986)

Multiple Elements
Other The Official BBC
Children in Need Medley
by Peter Kay's Animated All Star Band (2009)

Multiple Elements
Electronic / Dance
Can You Feel It?
by Parkride (1998)

Multiple Elements
Soundtrack The Immortal Megamix
by Michael Jackson (2011)

Hook / Riff
Soundtrack
Material Girls
by Hilary Duff and Haylie Duff (2006)

There's one more:

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