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Reply #150 posted 08/30/14 4:05pm

Dilan

Cloudbuster said:

For any other MJ fans and people who like to hear hidden stuff in songs I learnt something cool about this song on MJJC listen closely at 3:22 and another 10 seconds

I'm feeling a bit fammy™
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Reply #151 posted 08/30/14 11:31pm

dm3857

Dilan said:

Cloudbuster said:

For any other MJ fans and people who like to hear hidden stuff in songs I learnt something cool about this song on MJJC listen closely at 3:22 and another 10 seconds

What is it? I can tell something is said, but can't really make it out.

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Reply #152 posted 08/31/14 12:13am

motownlover

Marrk said:

https://www.mediafire.com...0301df002l

Enjoy. 'Chicago' or 'She was loving me' before it got fucked up. Real? fake? i dunno. supposedly leaked by traders. I like anyway. Happy B'day MJ!

biggrin

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I think it is the real deal, it matches the discription, there is an article on damienshields.com about this.

How could Timbo F this up so bad ! this should have been released !

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Reply #153 posted 08/31/14 3:24am

MattyJam

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What's the deal with the newly leaked version of Chicago? I thought the original version was on the second disc of Xscape?

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Reply #154 posted 08/31/14 3:53am

Cloudbuster

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dm3857 said:

Dilan said:

For any other MJ fans and people who like to hear hidden stuff in songs I learnt something cool about this song on MJJC listen closely at 3:22 and another 10 seconds

What is it? I can tell something is said, but can't really make it out.


In the background Michael says “You want it, you earn it with dignity” then names some of those who many people consider to be robber barons.

Vanderbilt
Morgan
Trump
Rockefeller
Carnegie
Getty

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Reply #155 posted 08/31/14 3:56am

Cloudbuster

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MattyJam said:

What's the deal with the newly leaked version of Chicago? I thought the original version was on the second disc of Xscape?


It's probably just an alternate take. The original version of Do You Know on Xscape is different to the leaked version that I was familiar with.

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Reply #156 posted 08/31/14 4:47am

motownlover

Cloudbuster said:



MattyJam said:


What's the deal with the newly leaked version of Chicago? I thought the original version was on the second disc of Xscape?




It's probably just an alternate take. The original version of Do You Know on Xscape is different to the leaked version that I was familiar with.


This is the corey rooney mix hè made for"Michael album. The background story is to be found on damienshields.com
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Reply #157 posted 08/31/14 8:07am

Cloudbuster

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This is the corey rooney mix hè made for"Michael album. The background story is to be found on damienshields.com


Ah, ok. Thanks for the info.

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Reply #158 posted 09/02/14 10:26am

DonRants

Scorp said:

the real issue is that as MJ reached the pinnacle of his career with Thriller, he told his manager at the time FRANK DILEO that he wanted his career to be that like P.T. BARNUM, he wanted his life and career to be "the greatest show on earth"...

this is fact, no way getting aroudn it, and that's what he attempted to do when he didn't have to go that route...his talent alone did all the talking, that was the real show........by 1986, he started planted stories to the National Enquirer and selling pictures of him fueling the superficial image he attempted to create and was making beaucoup money from it

he could have maintained a seperation of his private life and his professional life and everything would have been cool

he never had to do it, he had already proven he was the best

The power of hindsight. The thing is MJ (and no one else frankly) knew he had already reached the pinnacle of his success. So I think MJ being the driven man that he was just kept pushing the enevelope in search of more success. Even the best laid plans sometimes backfire. He was only in his 20s at the time.

Also he had already seen his career benifit from rumours. For example stories of him being gay, having a sex change, taking female hormones and talking to mannequins had been floating around since Off the Wall days...they did not hurt his career one bit. He had also began doing major cosmetic surgery during this period (OTW and Thriller) and frankly most people did not mind it. Many (maybe most) thought he looked better. So I can clearly see why MJ would plant stories and keep doing surgeries and other things, maybe even thinking it would lead to more success.

[Edited 9/2/14 15:04pm]

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Reply #159 posted 09/02/14 11:06am

DonRants

dm3857 said:

DonRants said:

Just saw on youtube that since "A Place with No Name" was released a week ago, it has been viewed approximately 2.5 million times. On the other hand Nicki Minaj's "Anaconda" has been released for two days and has been viewed 43.1 million times. Hmmm...

Exactly. The Estate needs to stop focusing on relevancy, and start focusing on legacy. There is no need to make a subpar music video with bookoo dancers and random footage of past mj videos being thrown here and there. I'm a huge mj fan and i didn't even sit through the video..

They started out on the right foot. "This Is It", The Cirque Du Soleil show, The MJ video game. All great releases. Idk, it just comes off as tacky the way they are handling things now.

Nicki Minaj will get more views because her video is basically soft core pornography. I think the mistake Sony and the estate made with "A Place with No Name" is choosing not to release it on "Michael." A sniplet had been leaked and public interest was high at that time. Now not so much.

I still maintain I think its a good thing to release these songs. MJ released one album every 4 years..there is a lot of good stuff there. I would much rather hear "Behind The Mask" than for it to be sitting on a hard drive collecting dust.

As for the videos..we got spoiled with MJs excellent work on videos. Sadly no only is his presence missed on these releases but also the budget is a lot lower than in his heyday. Records just don't sell enough to cost justify expensive videos anymore.

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Reply #160 posted 09/02/14 4:24pm

Scorp

DonRants said:

Scorp said:

the real issue is that as MJ reached the pinnacle of his career with Thriller, he told his manager at the time FRANK DILEO that he wanted his career to be that like P.T. BARNUM, he wanted his life and career to be "the greatest show on earth"...

this is fact, no way getting aroudn it, and that's what he attempted to do when he didn't have to go that route...his talent alone did all the talking, that was the real show........by 1986, he started planted stories to the National Enquirer and selling pictures of him fueling the superficial image he attempted to create and was making beaucoup money from it

he could have maintained a seperation of his private life and his professional life and everything would have been cool

he never had to do it, he had already proven he was the best

The power of hindsight. The thing is MJ (and no one else frankly) knew he had already reached the pinnacle of his success. So I think MJ being the driven man that he was just kept pushing the enevelope in search of more success. Even the best laid plans sometimes backfire. He was only in his 20s at the time.

Also he had already seen his career benifit from rumours. For example stories of him being gay, having a sex change, taking female hormones and talking to mannequins had been floating around since Off the Wall days...they did not hurt his career one bit. He had also began doing major cosmetic surgery during this period (OTW and Thriller) and frankly most people did not mind it. Many (maybe most) thought he looked better. So I can clearly see why MJ would plant stories and keep doing surgeries and other things, maybe even thinking it would lead to more success.

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his career did not benefit from the rumors...

his career benefited because of his immense talent

that's the hidden gem that has been lost over time

to suggest the rumors benefited his career actually is a slight on his legacy and what his greatest contribution to music actually was, which has never been acknowledged

we look at all these other variables that took the focus off of what truly made him special

when we heard of THE MAGIC OF MICHAEL JACKSON.....the real magic had nothing to do with rumor or innuendo...the magic was directly associated with what he did on stage as a live performer....

this is why the Triumph Tour needs to be released so the world can see, although I doubt it will ever happen......

because I guarantee if the world watched it, while they are watching it, the focus will be on just that..the talent....all the other stuff will be a footnote until the show is over...

it would have been an even greater victory, and triumph if the world would have been willing to accept MJ and his talent in his full natural state, w/out him feeling the need to alter his being

because he only did it because he felt that's what he had to do........

for me, I would have bought all his albums in his full natural state, that goes for OFF THE WALL and THRILLER

the question is, who were the people who thought he looked better w/the plastic surgery.......

this is where society needs to questions its own drive and why they place unfair expectations on people for anyway

because what happened to MJ is a direct reflection of the many contradications that exists within american society to this very day, contradictions that has actually excaserbated since the time we witness what happened to MJ over time...that's why many of his followers continue to look for scapegoats to tag the blame on when in all actuality, there is no scapegoat, only the illusion that destroyed everything

if he would have been allowed to be who he was meant to.....then his pinnacle would have definitely extended beyond THRILLER...that's what's so tragic about this whole situation

MJ reached his potential but was never allowed to fulfill his promise......

he received god awful advice from opportunists who looked to exploit his name and stature after he reached what wound up being his pinnacle

one of these days, we will acknowledge what happened to this man and be real about it....

it's only a matter of time

[Edited 9/2/14 16:42pm]

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Reply #161 posted 09/03/14 9:28am

alphastreet

Scorp said:

DonRants said:

The power of hindsight. The thing is MJ (and no one else frankly) knew he had already reached the pinnacle of his success. So I think MJ being the driven man that he was just kept pushing the enevelope in search of more success. Even the best laid plans sometimes backfire. He was only in his 20s at the time.

Also he had already seen his career benifit from rumours. For example stories of him being gay, having a sex change, taking female hormones and talking to mannequins had been floating around since Off the Wall days...they did not hurt his career one bit. He had also began doing major cosmetic surgery during this period (OTW and Thriller) and frankly most people did not mind it. Many (maybe most) thought he looked better. So I can clearly see why MJ would plant stories and keep doing surgeries and other things, maybe even thinking it would lead to more success.

[Edited 9/2/14 15:04pm]

his career did not benefit from the rumors...

his career benefited because of his immense talent

that's the hidden gem that has been lost over time

to suggest the rumors benefited his career actually is a slight on his legacy and what his greatest contribution to music actually was, which has never been acknowledged

we look at all these other variables that took the focus off of what truly made him special

when we heard of THE MAGIC OF MICHAEL JACKSON.....the real magic had nothing to do with rumor or innuendo...the magic was directly associated with what he did on stage as a live performer....

this is why the Triumph Tour needs to be released so the world can see, although I doubt it will ever happen......

because I guarantee if the world watched it, while they are watching it, the focus will be on just that..the talent....all the other stuff will be a footnote until the show is over...

it would have been an even greater victory, and triumph if the world would have been willing to accept MJ and his talent in his full natural state, w/out him feeling the need to alter his being

because he only did it because he felt that's what he had to do........

for me, I would have bought all his albums in his full natural state, that goes for OFF THE WALL and THRILLER

the question is, who were the people who thought he looked better w/the plastic surgery.......

this is where society needs to questions its own drive and why they place unfair expectations on people for anyway

because what happened to MJ is a direct reflection of the many contradications that exists within american society to this very day, contradictions that has actually excaserbated since the time we witness what happened to MJ over time...that's why many of his followers continue to look for scapegoats to tag the blame on when in all actuality, there is no scapegoat, only the illusion that destroyed everything

if he would have been allowed to be who he was meant to.....then his pinnacle would have definitely extended beyond THRILLER...that's what's so tragic about this whole situation

MJ reached his potential but was never allowed to fulfill his promise......

he received god awful advice from opportunists who looked to exploit his name and stature after he reached what wound up being his pinnacle

one of these days, we will acknowledge what happened to this man and be real about it....

it's only a matter of time

[Edited 9/2/14 16:42pm]

It is sad what was done to him and his part in it as well though I really did feel bad for him. I also want Triumph and a clear proper copy of Victory released.

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Reply #162 posted 09/04/14 7:39pm

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New book: Susan Fast: Michael Jackson's Dangerous (33 1/3)

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Dangerous is Michael Jackson's coming of age album. Granted, that’s a bold claim to make given that many think his best work lay behind him by the time this record was made. It offers Jackson on a threshold, at long last embracing adulthood—politically questioning, sexually charged—yet unable to convince a skeptical public who had, by this time, been wholly indoctrinated by a vicious media. Even though the record sold well, few understood or were willing to accept the depth and breadth of Jackson’s vision; and then before it could be fully grasped, it was eclipsed by a shifting pop music landscape and personal scandal—the latter perhaps linked to his assertive new politics. This book tries to cut through the din of dominant narratives about Jackson, taking up the mature, nuanced artistic statement he offered on Dangerous in all its complexity. It is read here as a concept album, one that offers a compelling narrative arc of postmodern angst, love, lust, seduction, betrayal, damnation, and above all else racial politics, in ways heretofore unseen in his music. This record offered a Michael Jackson that was mystifying for a world that had accepted him as a child and as childlike and, hence, as safe; this Michael Jackson was, indeed, dangerous.

http://www.amazon.com/Michael-Jacksons-Dangerous-Susan-Fast/dp/1623566312/ref=pd_sim_b_4?ie=UTF8&refRID=1WBS4QPVW67R52RDJX7T?tag=citofgamonlco-20

Dangerous Talk with Susan Fast

Sep 4

Posted by Willa and Joie



Willa: This week I am thrilled to be joined once again by Dr. Susan Fast, whose new book on the Dangerous album will be coming out September 25 from Bloomsbury Press. I just want to say up front that I’ve read this book twice now, and I’m still staggered by it. For the first time we have a detailed, in-depth analysis of one of Michael Jackson’s albums, and it’s amazing – it reveals how he conveys meaning through every layer of musical creation and performance. Some sections I’ve read numerous times, going through sentence by sentence with my headphones on, trying to catch all the details and nuances of meaning Susan identifies. I was quite simply blown away by it.
Susan, your book is such a treasure trove of ideas, as well as new ways of listening and thinking about his music. There’s so much I want to talk with you about! Thank you so much for joining me.
Susan: Thanks for having me back to Dancing With the Elephant, Willa. It’s such a pleasure to exchange ideas with you again. Sorry that Joie can’t be with us this time around.
Willa: Me too. Joie is starting a new career, which is exciting, but it’s keeping her really busy.
Susan: Very exciting; I wish her the best of luck! And thanks for your incredibly generous comments about the book and for being so helpful when I was writing it: you read through drafts of every chapter (some more than once I think) and made such thoughtful suggestions, which have certainly made the book stronger. And it helped make the writing process feel less lonely which, as you well know, it often is.
Willa: Oh, I thoroughly enjoyed it! And I love the fact that you focus on Dangerous, which tends to get a lot less attention than Off the Wall or Thriller. Most critics seem to think those two albums were the high points of Michael Jackson’s artistic output, and it was all downhill from there. I don’t know how many times I’ve read that …
Susan: Yes, I point to several critiques like that in the book and they keep coming; the 35th anniversary of the release of Off the Wall just passed and Mark Anthony Neal wrote an essay that called it Jackson’s “signature achievement.” It’s a brilliant album, but all of Jackson’s albums are brilliant. As I’ve thought about it more, I actually don’t know how his albums can be compared; they’re like apples and oranges, each conceived of and framed in a unique way. I think we need to get away from putting them in a hierarchy that, in my opinion, is at least partly based upon nostalgia for the young(er) Jackson – for many complicated reasons.
Willa: That’s a really good point, Susan, and we could easily do an entire post just exploring those “complicated reasons.” I think a lot of it is nostalgia, as you say – both for the younger Michael Jackson and for our own younger selves, for the people we were when we first heard those early albums – as well as a reluctance to see him as a grown man and a mature artist.
And part of that, I think, is a deep discomfort among whites with the image of the “angry black man.” That image carries a lot of emotional weight, especially in the US, and I think a lot of people were very troubled by the idea that the sweet-faced Michael Jackson we’d watched grow up before our eyes – a celebrated success story and a symbol of integration and racial harmony – could become an “angry black man.”
But we do see flashes of anger in his later albums. And he is certainly speaking with a mature voice, as you emphasize in your book. I was interested that you see Dangerous as a significant milestone in that progression. In fact, you begin your book with the defiant claim that “Dangerous is Michael Jackson’s coming of age album.” I love that! – in part because it boldly contradicts the conventional wisdom that Dangerous was simply another stage in his decline.
Susan: The decline narrative is so misguided, in my opinion, but as you say, it depends on what you’re looking for and what your experience has been with Jackson’s music. I’ve loved the Dangerous album for so long and have always thought of it as an immensely significant artistic statement. Having the opportunity to spend so much time with it was an amazing experience; I’m grateful that the editors at 33⅓ thought it was a worthwhile project. And I’m really thrilled that they’ve chosen to make this book, the only one on Jackson in the series, the 100th volume. I’m sure this was partly an accident having to do with individual authors’ deadlines, but it warms my heart to know that such an important artist will occupy that significant milestone spot.
The series – each book is devoted to a single album – doesn’t prescribe how records should be interpreted, there’s no formula for the books – indeed, some volumes don’t talk much about individual songs or how they’re structured. But in part because I’m a musicologist, and in part because there’s been so little written about how Michael Jackson’s songs work, I really wanted to focus on that, always keeping in mind, of course, that the way musicians organize sound is inextricably bound up with the social. Musical sound doesn’t transcend time and place; it comes from somewhere, helps define that somewhere.
Willa: Yes, I love the way you explore the “anatomy” of his songs, as he called it on more than one occasion, and also provide important historical contexts for approaching Dangerous. For example, before taking an in-depth look at his songs of passion and desire, you take on the “pathologizing [of] Jackson’s sexuality,” as you put it. I think that discussion is incredibly important, especially since you are the first critic I’ve read to validate what so many fans have been saying for years: that he was unbelievably hot! Obviously! And not just in the 80s, but throughout his life. It felt so liberating to me to read that. It was like, Yes! Finally! Here’s a critic who really gets it – who understands the power of his music and his performance and the sheer presence of his body on many different levels.
Susan: The denial by so many critics of Jackson’s sexuality, or – more often – the relegation of his electrifying sexual presence to a performance – in other words, put on when he was on stage, but not “real” (whatever that means) – is something I felt compelled to address, especially because sex and lust are themes featured so prominently on this record. The thing the critics miss is that it makes absolutely no difference whether or not the person Jackson was on stage carried over to his life off stage; acting is powerful, we’re moved by good actors, they make us believe in the moment of the performance and perhaps long afterwards. Jackson did that.
Willa: That’s very true. He did.
Susan: Beyond that, I don’t see the incongruity between his commanding, aggressive, sexy onstage self and his quiet, shy offstage self as problematic in the way that so many critics do. It’s only a problem if we think in binaries; Michael Jackson was much too complex for that kind of thinking.
Willa: Yes, and as you point out in your book, that intriguing contrast of the bold onstage presence with the shy offstage demeanor was itself very sexy for a lot of women, myself included.
There were also important cultural and historical reasons for him to be cautious in how he presented himself offstage, especially with white women. Eleanor Bowman, who contributes here sometimes, recently sent a link to an NPR piece about Billy Eckstine, one of the first black artists to cross over to a white audience. To be honest, I’d never heard of him before but his biographer, Cary Ginell, told NPR that at one time “Eckstine’s popularity rivaled Frank Sinatra’s.” However, his career was derailed overnight by a photo in LIFE magazine:

“The profile featured a photograph of Eckstine coming out of a nightclub in New York City, and being mobbed by white teenage girls,” Ginell says. “If you look at the photograph, it looks very innocuous and very innocent. It’s actually what America should be like, with no racial tension, no racial separation – just honest love and happiness between the races. But America wasn’t ready for that in 1950. White America did not want Billy Eckstine dating their daughters.”

Eckstine’s crossover career abruptly ended with that one photograph: “Eckstine continued to record and perform, but white disc jockeys would not play his records.” And it’s almost like he was erased from public memory – at least, white memory. But Michael Jackson was a well-read student of history, especially black history, and I’m sure he would have known about the backlash experienced by public figures before him who had been perceived as too friendly with white women – people like Jack Johnson and Chuck Berry and Billy Eckstine.
Susan: What a tragic story this is. My overarching point in the book on Dangerous is that the politicized and sexualized adult persona that Jackson revealed on that album and the short films that went with it were incredibly threatening. And as you say, I think he knew that he had to be careful, given stories like Eckstine’s and many others, which is why that soft, sweet, off-stage public persona was so important. At the same time, he really pushed the envelope – dating high-profile white women, for example. I do address this in the book. For a long time he maintained a delicate balance, but eventually, when he started presenting a more adult, sexualized self in the late 1980s and early 1990s, this balance was thrown off. His performances couldn’t be so easily dismissed.
And what’s so interesting to me is that many critics and others could not, would not, and still cannot see him as an adult – don’t believe him as one – and I think this is one of the reasons why he is so often vilified or infantilized. Witness the recent tabloid story in which unnamed maids who supposedly worked at Neverland reported that they witnessed him “peeing” in his house and threatening to throw “animal poop snowballs” at the help; this is a very particular kind of denigration – including the kiddy language used – that strips Jackson of his adulthood. We could say it strips him of a lot of other things – dignity, the ability to be taken seriously, perhaps his humanity …
Willa: I agree! It denies his humanity in a very literal sense: peeing on the floor and throwing feces is something an ape would do, an animal would do, not a human. When I heard those stories, I immediately thought of the chorus of “Monster”:

Monster
(He’s like an animal)
He’s a monster
(Just like an animal)
He’s an animal

I think he really understood this impulse by certain segments of the population to characterize him as a monster, an animal, a bogeyman, an Other, and he forced us to acknowledge it.
Susan: Yes, for sure. But I think the use of the childish language points very specifically to the desire to relegate him to prepubescence, to childhood – in a bad way, not the way he would have embraced! In his insightful analysis of the short film for “Black or White,” Eric Lott says that at the beginning of the panther dance “something so extraordinary happened at this moment that the video’s initial audiences couldn’t take it in.”
Willa: I agree!
Susan: Me too. Elizabeth Chin elaborates on this by saying that many found the panther dance “unintelligible” in the way that encounters with the unfamiliar often are; she uses Freud’s concept of the uncanny, “the recognition of a truth that has been suppressed,” to help articulate what happened for many viewers at this moment. I think this can be said about Jackson in general, especially as he got older and started to challenge his audience more profoundly around social issues. Critics and some of his audience couldn’t take it in, couldn’t see what he was saying, or doing.
Willa: That’s true. And that’s an excellent way of describing much of his later work, isn’t it? – that he was forcing us, at some level of consciousness, to acknowledge “a truth that has been suppressed”? And the panther dance is an incredible example of that. More than 20 years later, we’re still trying to uncover the “truth” of that performance – we’re still stunned by it and can’t take it all in, to paraphrase Lott.
So Susan, reading your book I was repeatedly blown away by your insightful analysis of the “anatomy” or musical structure of specific songs, as well as the album as a whole. One thing that immediately caught my attention is how you see the overall structure of Dangerous as being like a book with “chapters,” or clusters of songs exploring a related theme. In fact, you use a similar structure in your book, so your book mirrors Dangerous, chapter by chapter.
Susan: Yes, I hear Dangerous as a concept album; the concept is loose, but it’s there. Of course the songs can be listened to and appreciated individually, but I think Jackson was going for something bigger, more cohesive, an over-arching narrative. It’s a strikingly different approach than the one he used on Thriller or Bad which – at least as far as I can hear – don’t have this kind of narrative cohesiveness. This is why we need to start thinking about each album individually, paying attention to its particular contours, themes, ideas.
Interestingly, he said in his interview with Ebony in December 2007 (and he said a similar thing elsewhere many times) that the approach to Thriller was to make it an album of hit singles. In his words:If you take an album like Nutcracker Suite [by the classical composer Tchaikovsky], every song is a killer, every one. So I said to myself, ‘why can’t there be a pop album where every …’ People used to do an album where you’d get one good song and the rest were like B-sides. They’d call them ‘album songs’ – and I would say to myself ‘Why can’t every one be like a hit song? Why can’t every song be so great that people would want to buy it if you could release it as a single?’ So I always tried to strive for that. That was my purpose for the next album [Thriller].

, and this quote begins at 3:38.) His use of Tchaikovsky as an example is so interesting to me: what pop musician models commercial success on a record of classical music?? But Tchaikovsky’s idea wasn’t far off from Jackson’s. The Nutcracker ballet was long, complicated, and required a lot of resources to mount; why not create a “greatest hits” suite that could be performed as a concert piece? I think it’s also interesting that there are eight pieces in the Nutcracker Suite, most of them quite short – the whole thing is about 25 minutes long. I can’t help but draw a parallel to the structure of Thriller: nine songs, about 42 minutes of music.
Willa: Wow, that’s a really interesting way to interpret that quote. (By the way, here are YouTube links to the full score of

) You know, I’ve seen the ballet many times, and certain parts of the score are really popular – it seems like everywhere you go at Christmas you hear the music for the Dance of the Sugar Plum Fairy playing in the background, and it was also included in Disney’s Fantasia. (Just for fun, here’s a

to that too.) But I don’t think I’ve ever just listened to the music to The Nutcracker all the way through, separate from the ballet, and I never thought about the Suite like an album. That’s so interesting, especially when you put it side by side with Thriller
Susan: Yes, that was Tchaikovsky’s aim in creating the Suite: he wanted the piece performed more often, realized it couldn’t be because of the length and cost of mounting it, and so pulled what he thought were the “greatest hits” from it and created the Suite.
But back to Thriller, the length is average for a pop album, but it’s a small number of songs, really, the smallest number of any of his solo records. And, as we know, just about every song on Thriller was a hit single. My sense is that people take this as the way he thought about putting albums together in general, but I don’t believe this is true (in fact if you look at the above quote carefully, you’ll see that he’s referring specifically to Thriller). Thriller is a very particular and uncharacteristic instance of concision from an artist who liked to be expansive.
In a May 1992 interview with Ebony, one of the questions the interviewer asked was what the “concept” for Dangerous was; I think it’s quite a striking question for the very reason that Jackson’s albums had not been particularly “conceptual” up to that point: what made the interviewer think there was a concept? The cover art work? Something about the music? In any case, in his answer Jackson again pointed to Nutcracker, but here his thinking about it was very different:

I wanted to do an album that was like Tchaikovsky’s Nutcracker Suite. So that in a thousand years from now, people would still be listening to it. Something that would live forever. I would like to see children and teenagers and parents and all races all over the world, hundreds and hundreds of years from now, still pulling out songs from that album and dissecting it. I want it to live.

Well, the dissecting has begun! I have to admit that while I’d read this interview before, I didn’t remember this quote until after I’d finished writing the book: what a shame. But I feel somewhat vindicated now in thinking that Jackson did, indeed, have an overarching concept for this record, that he was not thinking in terms of hit singles (or not exclusively or primarily), but of a series of interconnected songs, laid out in a particular order, that tell us a story. And a pretty complex story, too, one that he saw as requiring a lot of analysis to unravel (the idea that an artist wants his work dissected is pretty thrilling for someone like me).
The way I see it, that story is about very big ideas: it’s about examining and challenging the state of the contemporary world with energy and resilience and allowing oneself to get lost in all the complexities of love (and lust!), of feeling hopeful, invigorated … and then being deeply, deeply, betrayed and wounded, not just by love, but by everyone and everything. From my perspective, he never completely recovers from that sense of betrayal on this record, though he does do a lot of serious soul searching. The songs are grouped, allowing ideas to be explored in considerable depth, examined through different musical and lyrical lenses.
Willa: Yes, that was so interesting to me. I’d never thought about his albums like that before – that they include groupings of related songs, like chapters in a book, and that they move us through a sequence of emotional experiences, like a novel does. But now that you’ve pointed out that structure in Dangerous, I see it in HIStory and Invincible as well.
For example, Invincible begins with three painful songs about a disastrous relationship with an uncaring woman: she’s trying to hurt him, she doesn’t understand him, she rejects him without giving him a chance to explain or win her over. And interestingly, that reflects his relationship with the public right then: the press (and the police as well) really were out to get him, people didn’t understand him, and they rejected his later albums and wouldn’t give them – or him – a chance.
Those songs are then followed by a series of five songs where he’s imagining scenes of genuine love – and pretty steamy sexual passion also. It’s like he’s trying to imaginatively conjure up the love and desire that was denied him in the first three songs.
Susan: Yes, those two groupings are certainly there on Invincible. He seemed to want to explore a theme through more than one song, in back-to-back tracks, in these later albums. Look at something from more than one angle.
Willa: Exactly.
Susan: Another narrative strategy on a later album that I’ve been struck by is his decision to end HIStory with “Smile.” After all that anger and venom, all that commentary on social injustices both personal and broadly cultural, delivered through some of the most aggressive grooves he ever created, he ends the album with that tragic ballad and its directive to “smile though your heart is breaking” (which his must have been); it’s very powerful.
Willa: It really is, especially when you consider that “Smile” was written by Charlie Chaplin, whose life story parallels Michael Jackson’s in significant ways. Chaplin was immensely popular in the 1920s and 30s, but then was falsely accused of fathering a child out of wedlock. There was a very public trial, and a paternity test proved he was not the father. But he was found guilty anyway, both in court and in the press, and the public turned against him. He spent the rest of his life in exile, something of a social pariah.
Given that context, I imagine “Smile” spoke to Michael Jackson in a very powerful way. And since HIStory in some respects is a response to the allegations against him, it makes sense that he would end the album with “Smile.” He rarely included cover songs on his albums, but he made an exception for “Smile” – it was that important to him.
Susan: Precisely. The point about cover songs is really significant. As you say, he didn’t really do them. The only other cover that appears on his solo albums is “Come Together” on Bad. I’ve always been intrigued by that choice as well.
Willa: I have too! He also places “Come Together” in a very prominent spot at the end of Moonwalker, and as Frank Delio has said, that movie was very important to him – he put a lot of time and energy, and his own money, into making it. So it feels like there’s something going on with “Come Together” – something important. Maybe we can do another post on that sometime and try to figure it out.
Susan: Great idea!
Willa: So it’s really fascinating to look at his later albums as made up of “chapters” of songs – and that structure seems to begin with Dangerous. As you pointed out with the two Nutcracker Suite quotes (and how interesting that he referred to it twice, in such different ways!) he doesn’t seem to have used this approach with his earlier albums. Thriller is more a collection of hit singles, as you said. But with Dangerous, he seems to be taking listeners on an emotional journey as we progress through the album – which suggests that something is lost when we listen to these songs in Shuffle mode on our iPods .
Susan: Or we just have a different kind of experience, which is fine too. I like looking at formal structures, though, and I think it’s interesting to view the album as a whole. “Jam,” for example, serves as a kind of overture on Dangerous (“it ain’t too much to Jam.” Now let me show you how it’s done for the next thirteen songs). I’m also struck by structural details, for example the first time we hear Jackson on Dangerous it’s through his breath – before he starts to sing – at the beginning of “Jam”; this aggressive use of breath returns in the last song on the album, “Dangerous,” in effect bringing the record full circle. I don’t think a detail like this is coincidental; when you listen to his music with your ears open you start to hear how intricately constructed it is, how nuanced.
Willa: Yes, and I feel like you’ve been opening my ears! There are motifs running throughout this album that I hadn’t really noticed or thought about before, like the use of his breath, or the recurring sound of breaking glass, or the visual image of the globe that appears repeatedly in the videos for this album (in Jam, Heal the World, Black or White, Will You Be There) as well as occupying a central position on the album cover. And as you point out in your book, the meaning of these motifs seems to evolve over the course of the album.
For example, the breaking glass gains new meaning once you’ve seen all the breaking glass in the panther dance of Black or White – specifically, it can be read as expressing anger at racial injustice. And once you’ve made that connection, it’s very interesting to then go back and listen to the other instances of breaking glass and see how that affects the meaning there as well. For example, I think there’s a racial component to In the Closet, as Joie and I discussed in a post a while back, and we hear breaking glass at significant moments in that song and video. And the album as a whole begins with the sound of breaking glass, so what does that tell us about the album we’re about to hear?
Susan: Indeed. What. The “non-musical” sounds on this album are really important to take into account – they help shape the narrative. The sound of breaking glass recurs in various places, as you say, and I think its meaning is multiple and complex. But one of the ways that I interpret the sound as it’s used at the beginning of the record is as a metaphor for a broken world.
Willa: Oh, that makes a lot of sense, Susan. And it really fits with the recurring image of the globe, and the feeling that he’s focusing on “very big ideas” on this album, as you said earlier.
There are also some recurring musical techniques you identify in your book that I found really intriguing as well. For example, you point out that both “Jam” and “In the Closet” include a bass line in the chorus but not in the verses – a pronounced absence, if that makes sense. And that creates a very unsettled feeling in the verses, as you point out – like we’re dangling over a void with no ground beneath us. I love that image because it describes so perfectly my uneasiness when listening to “Jam” – something I feel rather intensely but had never really thought about before or traced back to its origins, and certainly never associated with the lack of bass. And that unsettled feeling fits the meaning of the lyrics because in both songs the verses are describing a problem: a broken world, a romantic conflict.
The bass then appears in the chorus, which as you point out in the book provides a feeling of reassurance – like, Whew! Now we’re back on solid ground! And that reinforces the meaning of the lyrics also since the chorus suggests a solution. In “Jam,” he tells us the solution to a broken world is to “jam” – to come together as a community and make music together, both literally and symbolically. So the ideas and emotions expressed in the lyrics are reinforced in sophisticated ways by the music.
Susan: Yes, this is a great example of how musical sounds map onto social ideas. How does it make us feel when that grounding bassline isn’t there? How does the keyboard part that nearly mirrors the vocal line – but an octave higher and with a timbre that makes us feel tense – contribute to the sense of anxiousness in this song? Not to mention Jackson’s brilliant vocal in the verses, which is rushed: he’s constantly ahead of the beat – on purpose of course (this is really hard to do consistently, by the way).
Willa: I love the way you put that, Susan: “how musical sounds map onto social ideas.” To me, that’s really the essence of what’s so fascinating about your book. I don’t know enough about music to uncover that on my own – to figure out how specific musical details translate into creating meaning and emotion. I don’t even hear a lot of those details until you point them out, and then, Wow! It’s like I’m hearing elements of these songs for the first time – like that high unsettling keyboard line in “Jam” that you just mentioned. I hear it so clearly now since I read your book, but don’t remember ever hearing it before. So it opens up an entirely new aspect of his brilliance that’s closed to me without help from you or Lisha or others with your expertise.
Susan: I hope it’s useful to think about these things. When people say that Jackson was a perfectionist, it’s details like this that they’re talking about (along with lyrics, his dancing – which I don’t have the skills to say much about – etc.): the choice of a particular instrument or timbre, the placement of a breath, the decision to create a song in a particular genre, or to add an unsettling sound somewhere (one of the most intriguing examples of this last idea – to me at least – is the percussive sound heard after the last iteration of the chorus in “They Don’t Really Care About Us,” just before the guitar comes back in – at about 4:15. It’s just sonically interesting in and of itself, but why the dissonance at that point, why the new timbre that hasn’t been heard before in the song?). Some of these ideas came from his producers, I’m sure, but he OK’d them. The point is, he understood and appreciated the power of the musical detail. To say the least.
Willa: Absolutely. Well, it feels like we’ve really only talked in detail about the first chapter of your book – there’s so much more to discuss and explore! I hope you’ll join us again sometime. It’s always so fun to talk with you.
Susan: Yes … and we elaborated on what’s in that first chapter in some interesting ways! Thanks for the opportunity to explore these ideas with you; I’d be happy to join you again.


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HAPPYPERSON

The Jacksons relive key moments in their dazzling career

The Jacksons relive key moments in their dazzling career: bomb threats, seven-storey stage sets – and the time Marlon’s nephew showed Michael how to Moonwalk


Paul Lester
<li class="article-attributes-social-buttons"> <li class="publication">The Guardian, Wednesday 3 September 2014


The Jacksons in 1975: (from left) Tito, Jackie, Michael, Jermaine and Marlon Jackson. Click here to see the full image. Photograph: Fin Costello/Redferns

Few groups are able to survive the loss of their frontman, let alone continue to command colossal attention. But these are the Jacksons – and their combined total sales place them just below the Beatles and Elvis Presley in the all-time bestseller rankings. And of course that frontman was Michael Jackson, the biggest pop star in history.


“It feels good,” says Tito, “that something we started in the early 60s in Gary, Indiana, should still be going. You can lose that eye-of-the-tiger feeling, but we haven’t. We always took care of ourselves. We didn’t live like your average entertainers, partying and drinking and drugging. That pays off at this time in your life. But we’re not old men – we’re still able to give great performances.”


Jackie: When I first heard it on the radio, I was driving around in my little Datsun. Right away, I knew it was going to be a hit around the world. It was so exciting I had to pull over. It sounded even better than it did in the studio. And then it went to No 1.


Jermaine: When they told us it was going to be on the radio, we gathered around. Imagine – five guys with afros staring at a transistor. We jumped up and down so much, our neighbours heard and came over.


Marlon: We were shocked. We were just kids.


Tito: ABC was more nail-biting. We’d been told the second hit is harder than the first, so to watch that one go up the charts was even more amazing. Then it happened with The Love You Save, too. We didn’t think we’d do it a fourth time with I’ll Be There. But it replaced Marvin Gaye’s I Heard It Through The Grapevine as Motown’s biggest record, selling seven million.


Jermaine: So our first four records got to No 1 – the first time in history.


Jackie: I remember coming to London the first time. We had 10,000 screaming fans at the airport. They were in sleeping bags at 5am, waiting for us to land. It caused quite a ruckus. We had police escorts, but that didn’t work. There weren’t enough police.
Destiny tour, 1979

Jackie: A great tour. We played more of our own songs. As the tour progressed, audiences got more intense because of the success of Off the Wall – Michael was the biggest artist in the world.


Marlon: It was a big moment. Destiny was the first time we wrote and produced an entire album. Michael was filming The Wiz and by the time he came back we’d started writing songs.


Jermaine: I wasn’t on the Destiny tour, but I did go on the Victory tour in 1984. That was the greatest thing ever. We did seven nights at the Dodger Stadium in LA, a record – and our stage set was the height of a seven-storey building. It was so heavy, the ground would collapse beneath it. We played to 60, 80, 90,000 a night. We were so big we started to get death threats. We had to ride to shows in an armoured truck. Once, we checked into a hotel and there was banging on the bedroom door. It was the fire marshal yelling: “Get up, there’s a bomb threat!” There were sniffer dogs everywhere. After that, they checked our rooms each time before we went in.


The Triumph album, including Can You Feel It, 1980

Jackie: Motown wanted us to continue with our bubblegum R&B sound but we were growing up, wanting to express ourselves. By Triumph, we were in control. It was the era of electro-funk and we were at the forefront.


Tito: Everyone was looking for new sounds: you had to have an ARP synthesizer.


Marlon: We had great teachers at Motown, people like Holland-Dozier-Holland. There’s no way that couldn’t rub off, in the lyrics, structure, all the elements of songwriting.
The Motown 25 Yesterday, Today, Forever TV reunion, when Michael unveiled the Moonwalk, 1983

Jackie: All the Motown stars came back to honour [Motown boss] Berry Gordy, even the ones like us who had left.
Marlon: Our performance was pretty spontaneous. We’d rehearsed at Jackie’s house, basically fooling around and procrastinating. At the last minute, we threw something together – and the next day we were doing it on the show.


Tito: Everyone was watching Michael, to see what he’d do. We’d never seen anything like his performance. And neither had anyone else. The whole audience was taken aback.


Jackie: When he did Billie Jean, he tore the house down. It was electrifying and the whole world saw it.


Marlon: My nephew was actually the one who showed Michael the Moonwalk. He was about 10 or 12 and he was over at our house. Michael saw him do it and said: “What is that?” After that, Jeffrey Daniel [of Shalamar] taught him it.


Jackie: I knew Thriller was going to be big, but I’d no idea it would have that impact. Michael did. He would look in the mirror and say to himself, every day when he washed his face, “I’m going to sell 50 million records.”


Induction into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame, 1997

Jermaine: We were the youngest ever inductees, it was a historical moment and we’re proud of that. What’s been our biggest achievement? Setting the tone for every band that has come along since. The Jackson 5’s music has been played all over the world, even during the Olympics in China. We’ve met presidents, kings and queens. We know Obama. We knew Mandela, President Mobutu of Zaire, the King of Bahrain and the King of Jordan. Have I ever given them advice? Well, I’ve spoken at the UN.


Marlon: Despite being the first group ever to reach No 1 with their first four singles, never once did we win a Grammy or an American Music award. But to be inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame – wow, that’s an achievement.


Michael’s death, June 2009

Paul Lester: How did you commemorate the fifth anniversary of his death?
Jackie: I stayed home and listened to his music. It was all over the radio when I drove to the grocery store. I thought about my brother all day.
Marlon: I haven’t got time for negativity – life’s too short. So I thought about the great moments he and I shared, when we were kids in Gary. At some point in our lives, we’ve all got to go. I try to cherish the good times.
Jermaine: I play his music all the time anyway, not just to remember the day he passed. I’m his biggest fan.
Tito: It was a sad day. But it felt good to think that I had a brother who was so tremendously talented and who touched – and changed – the world. I’m proud of Michael.


The Jacksons play Villa Marina Gardens, Isle of Man, 11 September, and Hardwick Live Festival, Durham, 13 September. Details: thejacksons.com


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HAPPYPERSON

Michael Jackson: The Man .... Campbell

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“Oh, God! That boy moves in a very exceptional way. That’s the greatest dancer of the century.” – Fred Astaire
“I didn’t want to leave this world without knowing who my descendant was. Thank you Michael!” Fred Astaire (shortly before his death)

“The only male singer who I’ve seen besides myself and who’s better than me — that is Michael Jackson.” Frank Sinatra

Screen Shot 2014-09-03 at 8.50.15 PMMichael Jackson died unexpectedly on Thursday, June 25. The suddenness of his death came as a source of shock to all.

Some have used the occasion to present a contemptibly narrow view of his personal struggles. But as the months and years roll by, it is the contribution of his musical genius that will be written permanently in the hearts and minds of people everywhere. Even now, the greatest of his peers have recognized him as one of the most gifted and accomplished musical artists of the last century.

Few artists have used their talents to uplift mankind as vigorously as Michael Jackson. Though lean in stature, he stood firmly against social and political forces that seek to diminish the integrity of the human spirit. He uplifted individuals struggling to be free. At the same time his voice spoke a message that went far beyond the rights of the individual. Michael reminded us that personal dignity and individual freedom can only be perfected in the warm embrace of human solidarity.

It was the human family that stood foremost in Michael’s mind. “We are the world,” he said. And against this backdrop, he challenged freedom-loving individuals to act heroically for the betterment of all. “If you want to make the world a better place, take a look at yourself and make a change,” he said.

Thus Michael Jackson was no spokesman for narcissism, despite the fact that he often sought refuge there. At bottom, his music was driven by the ancient dream of the brotherhood of man. He saw redemption in a bonding of all individuals in simple humanity. Human solidarity — Love — was for him the foundation of Justice and the meaning of Life!

Armed with this simple vision, Michael set about to dedicate his life to others. As a young boy, he burst onto the world’s stage like a bolt of lightening and, once there, he inspired youth, and the youthful, to act on behalf of justice and the human community. He created a powerful synergy with his audiences and through this confluence helped generate a moral force that over time would bring the world to a better place.

It is not commonly recognized how much Michael Jackson contributed to U.S public diplomacy during the last decade of the Cold War. Throughout the 1980s and early 1990s, Michael’s music inspired young people in captive nations to take chances on behalf of freedom and democracy. With his dramatic style, he electrified youth and stirred them to unite in common purpose. In response, they rallied moral forces against fear and set about to challenge the ubiquitous brutality of totalitarian regimes. The collective energy Michael and other artists inspired became a critical factor in bringing about the political collapse of the Soviet Union and its Eastern European empire. “We are the world!”

Surveys taken by the Voice of America during the 1980s demonstrate his appeal. Michael Jackson, Pink Floyd, and Billy Joel were the preferred pop artists for VOA listeners behind the Iron Curtain. The music they provided offered a unique challenge to the fundamentals of Soviet totalitarianism — fear and isolation. It enabled listeners to dream of freedom and dignity, and it filled their hearts and minds with a practical determination to seek a brighter future.

But, among all American pop artists, it was Michael Jackson that towered above the rest. His popularity achieved the highest ranking by VOA listeners –more than 50% approval.

I recall myself and a friend crossing the border into East Berlin before the Wall was torn down. As my friend maneuvered our rented VW to the checkpoint, I pulled back the sunroof and rolled down the windows. Earlier I had cued a tape to play Michael Jackson’s “Man in the Mirror.” As the guard approached, I hit the play button and turned the volume way up. The guard, who was carrying an automatic rifle, asked for our passports. Instead of responding directly, I said over the top of the music: “Do you like Michael Jackson?” He looked nervously at the guard house and then quickly nodded in approval. For a long moment, his face was covered with an unforgettable smile. But more than signaling his approval, the guard had broken military decorum.

Similarly, when we returned to the West through Austria, the guard stationed there responded to my question by first placing his machine gun on the ground. Then he grabbed my closest hand with both of his and said: “Yes, oh yes. Michael Jackson!” Not far away, hidden in a clump of bushes and trees, I saw the dark, sinister presence of Soviet tanks.

Michael’s creative imagination enabled him to craft a music of freedom, a music replete with a crisp defiance of injustice and unjust authority, a music deeply tinged with respect for the essential dignity of the human person. In a world whose temptations breed isolation and aloneness, Michael’s music gave voice to our common need for love, compassion, understanding, and mercy. It gave succor to those struggling to belong and unleashed a willfulness to labor against the forces of spiritual alienation. In a world dominated by fear, his music gave transcendent purpose and the hope of future redemption. In short, Michael’s artistry was an energy that inspired resistance against all forms of cultural and political repression. It was a music whose vitality cried out for a liberation of the human spirit.

Reflecting on the 1980s and early 1990s, one labors to imagine a more heroic episode in history’s hard march against tyranny. Liberty sprang up amidst a near bloodless convulsion, and took a daring but peaceful step forward. It was in the intensity of this revolutionary fervor that the artistry of Michael Jackson towered as a beacon of light for those struggling to be free.

In the YouTube video below, listen to Michael perform “The Man In The Mirror.” Hear his words. Watch the imagery. Reflect how deeply he pleads for each individual to dedicate their lives to the reconciling impulses of Justice and Love. In a world that continues to be much too cold and brittle, Michael Jackson has established himself a much-needed prophet for our age.

Source: http://vox-nova.com/2009/06/30/michael-jackson-the-man-in-the-mirror/

Biography of Gerald L Campbell

Gerald L. Campbell was a senior staff member of the U.S. House of Representatives from 1976 to 1985, the Director of Policy and Research for the National Security Caucus of the U.S. House of Representatives from 1977 to 1980, the Senior Advisor to the Director of the United States Information Agency from 1985 to 1990, and the Special Assistant to the Administrator, Office of Juvenile Justice and Delinquency Programs, at the U.S. Department of Justice from 1992 to 1993.

P.S. I'm so proud of Michael and the difference he made in the world with his genoristy and artistry smile

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Reply #165 posted 09/05/14 4:06pm

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^ Neat shit about Dangerous up there.

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Reply #166 posted 09/07/14 11:50am

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I started thinking about Invincible the other day. And although I am a fan of Invincible, and think it is a great album, I feel it could have been SOOO much stronger. So I compiled an alternate Invincible tracklist (2 actually) and (in my opinion) Invincible had the potention to be MJ's best work.

*Tracklist*

1)Unbreakable

2)Heartbreaker

4)Break of Dawn

5)You Rock My World

6)Hollywood Tonight

7)Blue Gangsta

8)Butterflies

9)Speechless

10)She Was Lovin Me (I'm using the newly leaked mix with a more rock feel)

11)Whatever Happens

12)Another Day

13)Xscape

14)A Place With No Name

15)One More Chance

16)We've Had Enough

I also really feel that invincible could have worked as a double album. With a tracklist like this:

**Disc One**

1)Unbreakable

2)Heartbreaker

3)Break of Dawn

4)Heaven Can Wait

5)You Rock My World

6)Hollywood Tonight

7)Blue Gangsta

8)The Way You Love Me

9)Butterflies

10)Speechless

11) Invincible

**Disc Two**

1)Shout

2)She Was Loving Me (I'm using the newly leaked mix with a more rock feel)

3)Whatever Happens

4)(I Can't Make It) Another Day

5)Xscape

6)A Place With No Name

7)Threatened

8)Don't Walk Away

9)Once More Chance

10)What More Can I Give

11)We've Had Enough

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I did the same thing with HIStory recently. And although HIStory is one of my favorite MJ albums (after Dangerous & Off The Wall) I also feel that it could have been much stronger had a few different tracks been used in the place of others.

*Tracklist*

1)Scream

2)They Don't Care About Us

3)Stranger In Moscow

4)Morphine

5)Earth Song

6)Is It Scary

7)2 Bad

8)This Time Around

9)D.S.

10)Blood On The Dancefloor

11)You Are Not Alone

12)Childhood

13)Little Susie

14)HIStory

15)Smile

I don't want anyone to get the wrong idea. I love all of MJ's albums, and am in NO way taking anything away from them by making an alternate tracklist. It's just for fun, compiling what I feel makes a stronger and more cohesive album.

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Reply #167 posted 09/07/14 5:46pm

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Apols for re-introduicing this topic but Breaking News...

... Is such a fake track. I listened to it this evening for the first time in a couple of years and frankly I'm astonished it made the final cut as it's clearly not Jackson's vocals.

When it was released I didn't think it was him but was uncertain. Now, I have no doubts whatsoever. Sony and everyone involved in that mess should hang their heads in shame if they haven't already done so.

ANyway, as you were! Just had to get that off my chest. lol

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Reply #168 posted 09/07/14 10:02pm

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DonRants said:

The power of hindsight. The thing is MJ (and no one else frankly) knew he had already reached the pinnacle of his success. So I think MJ being the driven man that he was just kept pushing the enevelope in search of more success. Even the best laid plans sometimes backfire. He was only in his 20s at the time.

Also he had already seen his career benifit from rumours. For example stories of him being gay, having a sex change, taking female hormones and talking to mannequins had been floating around since Off the Wall days...they did not hurt his career one bit. He had also began doing major cosmetic surgery during this period (OTW and Thriller) and frankly most people did not mind it. Many (maybe most) thought he looked better. So I can clearly see why MJ would plant stories and keep doing surgeries and other things, maybe even thinking it would lead to more success.

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his career did not benefit from the rumors...

his career benefited because of his immense talent

that's the hidden gem that has been lost over time

to suggest the rumors benefited his career actually is a slight on his legacy and what his greatest contribution to music actually was, which has never been acknowledged

we look at all these other variables that took the focus off of what truly made him special

when we heard of THE MAGIC OF MICHAEL JACKSON.....the real magic had nothing to do with rumor or innuendo...the magic was directly associated with what he did on stage as a live performer....

this is why the Triumph Tour needs to be released so the world can see, although I doubt it will ever happen......

because I guarantee if the world watched it, while they are watching it, the focus will be on just that..the talent....all the other stuff will be a footnote until the show is over...

it would have been an even greater victory, and triumph if the world would have been willing to accept MJ and his talent in his full natural state, w/out him feeling the need to alter his being

because he only did it because he felt that's what he had to do........

for me, I would have bought all his albums in his full natural state, that goes for OFF THE WALL and THRILLER

the question is, who were the people who thought he looked better w/the plastic surgery.......

this is where society needs to questions its own drive and why they place unfair expectations on people for anyway

because what happened to MJ is a direct reflection of the many contradications that exists within american society to this very day, contradictions that has actually excaserbated since the time we witness what happened to MJ over time...that's why many of his followers continue to look for scapegoats to tag the blame on when in all actuality, there is no scapegoat, only the illusion that destroyed everything

if he would have been allowed to be who he was meant to.....then his pinnacle would have definitely extended beyond THRILLER...that's what's so tragic about this whole situation

MJ reached his potential but was never allowed to fulfill his promise......

he received god awful advice from opportunists who looked to exploit his name and stature after he reached what wound up being his pinnacle

one of these days, we will acknowledge what happened to this man and be real about it....

it's only a matter of time

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I am not disagreing with what you said above but I want to riff on what you said, if I may.

I think his career did benefit from the initial rumours. As a matter of fact that was how I first heard of him. It created a sort of "Howard Hughes" mystique around him. And of course, MJ would just deny the negative ones when questioned..."No I am not ..X"

Now as for the magic of MJ as a live performer, you are right. Particularly because you say him live at that age. Most of us did not. Also MJ at this point was reinventing himself in so many ways. He changed his appearance, slimed down and with sugeries. Started speaking in a noticably higher voice than he did as a kid and most importantly took his dancing to a whole new level. Scorp you are fortunate that you saw him live as a young adult during this incredibly important stage of his artistic growth. But I can tell you I saw the video for Don't stop till you get enough and Rock with You and I remember thinking so that is Michael Jackson..but I did not think Superstar. It took the music and videos of Thriller and of course the Motown 25 performance to truly launch MJ into Superstardom. MJ had been singing and dancing for 12 years in front of the public before Fred Astaire dubbed him his heir apparent after the Billie Jean performance. Clearly you and Jackson 5 fans saw that before the rest of us did.

You asked who were the people who thought he looked better with surgery. As far as I remember, most people did. It was only when his skin color changed (Bad) that I remember people saying "He had gone too far."

As for the advice that MJ received. I just read the book Michael Jackson Inc. and it speaks about MJ putting together a team of business advisors including John Branca and Mr. Johnson (the publisher of Ebony and head of Johnson Publishing). With there advice his fortune grew tremendously. That is the business advice. The suggestion in that book is that MJs physical changes was not due to the advice of advisers but rather MJ casing some version of physical perfection.

As for the advice that might have lead to him changing his features. The truth is that type of advice will only stick if you want to do it in the first place. And as I pointed out, he had been doing it since he reached the age to do it and continued doing it until his death. According to the former Dr Murray, MJ didn't just want to have light skin, he wanted his skin to be "Porcelain." So I think its MJ being MJ. Western Culture and its European beauty standards(i.e. Internalized racism) no doubt influenced but ultimately there was something deep in MJs psyche which lead him to do this..not the least is his desire "to be the first, to be a pioneer, to go further than anyone else had gone before."

Also as for his pinnacle extending beyond Thriller, I am not so sure. Thriller saw MJ at 24-26 the perfect age to appeal to young girls who make the bulk of the record buying public. His new looks appealed to them greatly. He had hit a sort of cosmetic surgery nirvana at that point plus he radiated an incredible youthful energy even in photographs. There was a 3-4 year break between the peak of Thriller and the release of Bad. That was a loong time. Other artist had now started making impressive videos, etc. In other words, the competition was copying him and taking bits and pieces of a market he had truly to himself during the success of Thriller. He had changed his sound. Gone was the warm analog tones and in its place was a more processed pop sound. But ultimately as good an album as Bad was, it just was not the cultural phenomena that Thriller was. And I don't think anything could be. Also there was a massive backlash building after the success of Thriller.

And you mentioned that MJ was the best.

Well, Stevie Wonder was the best

Marvin Gaye was the best

Elvis Presley was the best.

Hell, there are people on this board who will give you a laundry list of reasons why Prince was and is the best.

Besides MJs brilliance as a performer the biggest difference I see between MJ and the others previously mentioned is that Mj seemed to get us to care about him more as a person. Perhaps its because MJ had such an amazing relatiionship with his fans, also because we saw him go through the highest highs and the lowest lows and therefore experienced a full range of emotions with him. The illusion of him blending his public and private life. I say illusion because he only revealed so much. He still kept a lot secret...as he is entitled to.

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Scorp said:

his career did not benefit from the rumors...

his career benefited because of his immense talent

that's the hidden gem that has been lost over time

to suggest the rumors benefited his career actually is a slight on his legacy and what his greatest contribution to music actually was, which has never been acknowledged

we look at all these other variables that took the focus off of what truly made him special

when we heard of THE MAGIC OF MICHAEL JACKSON.....the real magic had nothing to do with rumor or innuendo...the magic was directly associated with what he did on stage as a live performer....

this is why the Triumph Tour needs to be released so the world can see, although I doubt it will ever happen......

because I guarantee if the world watched it, while they are watching it, the focus will be on just that..the talent....all the other stuff will be a footnote until the show is over...

it would have been an even greater victory, and triumph if the world would have been willing to accept MJ and his talent in his full natural state, w/out him feeling the need to alter his being

because he only did it because he felt that's what he had to do........

for me, I would have bought all his albums in his full natural state, that goes for OFF THE WALL and THRILLER

the question is, who were the people who thought he looked better w/the plastic surgery.......

this is where society needs to questions its own drive and why they place unfair expectations on people for anyway

because what happened to MJ is a direct reflection of the many contradications that exists within american society to this very day, contradictions that has actually excaserbated since the time we witness what happened to MJ over time...that's why many of his followers continue to look for scapegoats to tag the blame on when in all actuality, there is no scapegoat, only the illusion that destroyed everything

if he would have been allowed to be who he was meant to.....then his pinnacle would have definitely extended beyond THRILLER...that's what's so tragic about this whole situation

MJ reached his potential but was never allowed to fulfill his promise......

he received god awful advice from opportunists who looked to exploit his name and stature after he reached what wound up being his pinnacle

one of these days, we will acknowledge what happened to this man and be real about it....

it's only a matter of time

[Edited 9/2/14 16:42pm]

I am not disagreing with what you said above but I want to riff on what you said, if I may.

I think his career did benefit from the initial rumours. As a matter of fact that was how I first heard of him. It created a sort of "Howard Hughes" mystique around him. And of course, MJ would just deny the negative ones when questioned..."No I am not ..X"

Now as for the magic of MJ as a live performer, you are right. Particularly because you say him live at that age. Most of us did not. Also MJ at this point was reinventing himself in so many ways. He changed his appearance, slimed down and with sugeries. Started speaking in a noticably higher voice than he did as a kid and most importantly took his dancing to a whole new level. Scorp you are fortunate that you saw him live as a young adult during this incredibly important stage of his artistic growth. But I can tell you I saw the video for Don't stop till you get enough and Rock with You and I remember thinking so that is Michael Jackson..but I did not think Superstar. It took the music and videos of Thriller and of course the Motown 25 performance to truly launch MJ into Superstardom. MJ had been singing and dancing for 12 years in front of the public before Fred Astaire dubbed him his heir apparent after the Billie Jean performance. Clearly you and Jackson 5 fans saw that before the rest of us did.

You asked who were the people who thought he looked better with surgery. As far as I remember, most people did. It was only when his skin color changed (Bad) that I remember people saying "He had gone too far."

As for the advice that MJ received. I just read the book Michael Jackson Inc. and it speaks about MJ putting together a team of business advisors including John Branca and Mr. Johnson (the publisher of Ebony and head of Johnson Publishing). With there advice his fortune grew tremendously. That is the business advice. The suggestion in that book is that MJs physical changes was not due to the advice of advisers but rather MJ casing some version of physical perfection.

As for the advice that might have lead to him changing his features. The truth is that type of advice will only stick if you want to do it in the first place. And as I pointed out, he had been doing it since he reached the age to do it and continued doing it until his death. According to the former Dr Murray, MJ didn't just want to have light skin, he wanted his skin to be "Porcelain." So I think its MJ being MJ. Western Culture and its European beauty standards(i.e. Internalized racism) no doubt influenced but ultimately there was something deep in MJs psyche which lead him to do this..not the least is his desire "to be the first, to be a pioneer, to go further than anyone else had gone before."

Also as for his pinnacle extending beyond Thriller, I am not so sure. Thriller saw MJ at 24-26 the perfect age to appeal to young girls who make the bulk of the record buying public. His new looks appealed to them greatly. He had hit a sort of cosmetic surgery nirvana at that point plus he radiated an incredible youthful energy even in photographs. There was a 3-4 year break between the peak of Thriller and the release of Bad. That was a loong time. Other artist had now started making impressive videos, etc. In other words, the competition was copying him and taking bits and pieces of a market he had truly to himself during the success of Thriller. He had changed his sound. Gone was the warm analog tones and in its place was a more processed pop sound. But ultimately as good an album as Bad was, it just was not the cultural phenomena that Thriller was. And I don't think anything could be. Also there was a massive backlash building after the success of Thriller.

And you mentioned that MJ was the best.

Well, Stevie Wonder was the best

Marvin Gaye was the best

Elvis Presley was the best.

Hell, there are people on this board who will give you a laundry list of reasons why Prince was and is the best.

Besides MJs brilliance as a performer the biggest difference I see between MJ and the others previously mentioned is that Mj seemed to get us to care about him more as a person. Perhaps its because MJ had such an amazing relatiionship with his fans, also because we saw him go through the highest highs and the lowest lows and therefore experienced a full range of emotions with him. The illusion of him blending his public and private life. I say illusion because he only revealed so much. He still kept a lot secret...as he is entitled to.

since Prince was mentioned....let's take a look at Prince...

Prince has been on the scene for almost 40 years.......debuted in the late 70s...1978

and after all this time.....WE NEVER EVER HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT THIS MAN

We never hear anything about Prince's personal life.....never.....

only time Prince was really discussed as far as rumor or innuendo was in regards to who his girlfriend/lady/woman was in the 80s.....Vanity, Apollonia, Sheila E. Sheena Easton, Cat......

and when he got married and had their child.......that's it....

when he does interviews, he mainly speaks on the state of the music industry and what steps could be made to improve it

we don't see his name in the tabloids, or any radio shows talkin about his personal life....

that's absolutely astounding...........but see, everything starts from the source and Prince let the world be known from day one, he was going to share his talent w/the public and that's it....

and he has benefited tremendously from it.....so that means it is possible to be a major public figure and seperate your professional life from your private life....it can be done

Janet Jackson has did it.....she was married for 10 years to her 2nd husband and we didn't even know about it until she announced she was getting a divorce

The greatest NBA player of all time in Michael Jordan did it...he was the most popular athlete on the planet but we rarely saw pictures of his family, didn't really know if he was married or not until he won his first championship.....

Denzel Washington has been one of the most successful actors of the past 30 years and we rarely here about him in the news and he's starred in countless films during that time....

same with Robert Deniro and Al Pacino....they've been in all time classics and we rarely hear about them if at all......they remain private but still been active and productive ....

it can be done.....

they did not have to benefit on rumors or innuendo to spark up attention

Michael Jackson could have done the exact same thing........

as far as the Howard Hughes image/allure image of mystery

that didn't work for the real Howard Hughes so how can that work for Michael Jackson

the plastic surgery exascerbation destroyed his life and livelihood and there's no way getting aroudn that........

for every fan who he attracted because of the surgeries, I should say the transformation...he lost 5 fans because of it

and that ratio clearly resonates in the trajectory of his record sales after Thriller

he lost half his fanbase alone in the United States of America, almost 2/3 of his fanbase during the years of BAD selling 6-8 million copies in this country compared to teh 25 million he sold here w/THRILLER.......he lost over half his fanbase in the course of 2 years, 4 FULL YEARS before the first allegations hit in 1993 (which I never believed he was guilty of before anyone jumps the gun)...

so the allegations can not be blamed for the declining sales.....

and after BAD, his subsequent albums sold 5 million copies than its predecessor

the image never worked......now if his record sales would have surpassed THRILLER, then it would be a legit argument that it did...but it never did and was never going to.....especially when the musical output waned....

as far as any perceived backlash......I would suggest we exercise recall and focus on how the nation responded to WE ARE THE WORLD in 1985, the year after THRILLER completed its 2 year run on the charts.....

MIKE was so respected across the country, every single major radio station across the nation played that song at teh same time...that has never been done before or since.....along w/teh fact, citizens across the country from the very west to the very east joined hands from coast to coast........

he was a national icon......at that point, there was no backlash......

The truth is that type of advice will only stick if you want to do it in the first place. And as I pointed out, he had been doing it since he reached the age to do it and continued doing it until his death. According to the former Dr Murray, MJ didn't just want to have light skin, he wanted his skin to be "Porcelain." So I think its MJ being MJ. Western Culture and its European beauty standards(i.e. Internalized racism) no doubt influenced but ultimately there was something deep in MJs psyche which lead him to do this..not the least is his desire "to be the first, to be a pioneer, to go further than anyone else had gone before."

all true...but that rationale led to the greatest miscalculation in the history of showbizness, and this clearly points to more of an indoctrination that led to what we had witness...and this is where society has to take a good look at itself because after all the entertainment and music and dance has run its course, what is there left at the end for the person who chose this path....what is there left

when I see those videos for Don't Stop and Rock With You, at that point, his fans at that time knew he was already a showbizness legend, and the best entertainer, live performer on the planet......he was already a superstar...but see, everything starts w/the source and the problem is that after that period of his career...MICHAEL never talked about it in interview, especially after reaching his pinnacle...he barely made mention of his own album OFF THE WALL....

his dancing was more funkier and spontaneous during those years than even what we saw with THRILLER, he scaled down the full measure of his talent even then...

this gets to the point that's lost out of all of this.......the world of the past 27 years has never witnessed the real Michael Jackson..that's the great paradox of all of this.....

they've never seen him...

if the world got a chance to see the Triumph Tour, a whole new perspective would spring out the box.......but unfortunately, it will probably never happen......

if the estate really wants to take it to the ultimate level, they need to unleash that.....

[Edited 9/8/14 15:51pm]

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Congratulations to Michael Jackson & Justin Timberlake, "Love Never Felt So Good" has been certified Platinum in the United States by RIAA.

Currently Xscape is the 9th best seller of 2014 with 1,392,000 sold worldwide.

Love Never Felt So Good is the 30th best selling single of 2014 with 2,225,000 copies sold worldwide.

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Reply #171 posted 09/09/14 7:13pm

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4-Year-Old Michael Jackson Fan Gets His Wish With Help From Military

sources: Travis Air Force Base – By Amber Carter| All Things Michael

Marlon Valentine, 4-year-old Make-A-Wish recipient, arrives sst his MJ themed party Aug. 24 in Calistoga, California.

Marlon Valentine, 4-year-old Make-A-Wish recipient, arrives sst his MJ themed party Aug. 24 in Calistoga, California.

TRAVIS AIR FORCE BASE, Calif. — “You wanna be tough, better do what you can, so beat it,” blared over the sound system Aug. 24 at the Tucker Farm Center in Calistoga, California, in preparation for a blast-from-the-past party for 4-year-old Marlon Valentine, Michael Jackson fanatic and Make-A-Wish recipient.

Airmen from Travis Air Force Base were on hand to help make Marlon’s wish into a reality. Marlon has acute lymphoblastic leukemia.

He is known at the Children’s Hospital Oakland as the “Michael Jackson boy” because he and his brother, Ivan, 3, and sister, Angelina, 8, would dance to Jackson’s music during his hospital visits, said Jennifer Wilson, Make-a-Wish marketing and promotions manager.

“When Marlon was asked about his wish, he replied without hesitation, saying he wanted a Michael Jackson themed party,” Wilson said.

For the past two months, approximately 40 people, including military members, attended dance practices inside a Travis Air Force Base hangar to help Marlon’s wish come true.

“The practices were around two hours long every Sunday,” said Airman 1st Class Vincent Dahilog, 60th Logistics Readiness Squadron individual protective equipment apprentice. “It was a lot of work, but it was worth it because it was for a good cause.”

Choreographed dances to songs such as “Beat It” and “Thriller” were the highlights of the party. There was a decorate-a-cookie table with Jackson’s iconic glove-shaped cookies, a table with individual bags filled with popcorn playfully labeled “King of Pop” and Marlon had his own personalized chair.

Volunteers perform for Little Marlon to some of Michael's biggest hits.

Volunteers perform for Little Marlon to some of Michael’s biggest hits.

“At first he was shocked,” said Melissa Trujillo, Marlon’s mom. “I told him we were going to take pictures and when we walked in and he saw his family and the decorations, he was surprised.

He’s obsessed with Michael Jackson. We had to replace his Michael Jackson Wii game twice because he plays it so much.”

The “King of Pop” led the dances. Burgess Griffin, a Michael Jackson impersonator, would drive from his home in Sacramento to Travis once a week to teach choreography to the volunteers.

“I’m really grateful and appreciative of the amount of effort that went into this party,” Trujillo said. “Marlon is having a great time and I can’t thank everyone enough.”

The Make-A-Wish Foundation partnered with Travis to bring hope and encourage Marlon to fight leukemia and “beat it.”

“It has truly been an honor to support the Make-A-Wish Foundation,” said Tech. Sgt. Shanta Glover, 60th Air Mobility Wing equal opportunity. “It’s a great opportunity to give back to our community and I think parents would do anything to see their kids smile.”

Military members across a broad spectrum of backgrounds participated. Enlisted, officers, reservists and retirees all played a role in the success of the event.

“It was great to see the military members come out and put so much into it to make Marlon’s day special,” said Jan Hammond, Travis event coordinator. “This was an all-volunteer event and it was all for Marlon.”

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Reply #172 posted 09/09/14 9:48pm

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Weighing in on what others were discussing about tabout the Triumph tour.. I think that a release of the Triumph and Victory tour are essential. And should have already happened. The estate needs to cool off with all of the posthumous albums for right now,, and making MJ holograms to perform at award shows. etc.. And show the world that footage.

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Reply #173 posted 09/09/14 11:05pm

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Scorp said:

since Prince was mentioned....let's take a look at Prince...

Prince has been on the scene for almost 40 years.......debuted in the late 70s...1978

and after all this time.....WE NEVER EVER HEAR ANYTHING ABOUT THIS MAN

We never hear anything about Prince's personal life.....never.....

only time Prince was really discussed as far as rumor or innuendo was in regards to who his girlfriend/lady/woman was in the 80s.....Vanity, Apollonia, Sheila E. Sheena Easton, Cat......

and when he got married and had their child.......that's it....

when he does interviews, he mainly speaks on the state of the music industry and what steps could be made to improve it

we don't see his name in the tabloids, or any radio shows talkin about his personal life....

that's absolutely astounding...........but see, everything starts from the source and Prince let the world be known from day one, he was going to share his talent w/the public and that's it....

and he has benefited tremendously from it.....so that means it is possible to be a major public figure and seperate your professional life from your private life....it can be done

You are not really a big Prince fan are you Scorp? Because he has had a lot more crap than that. He even has books written about him essentially saying what a major turd he can be. Of course I am thinking about Possessed by Alex Hahn : http://www.amazon.com/Pos...0823077489 (Damn, my copy is now worth $43). In any event Prince was not on the level of interest that MJ commanded. When he was ,during Purple Rain, we also saw him experience hounding by the press which lead to the incident which lead to the song "Hello" during the "We Are the World Sessions".

You think MJ did not try to keep parts of his life private? I think he did. And I think is some ways he succeded. MJ was not the image that most believe he was. He was a much more complex and multifaceted human being than that caricature/man-child which he present to the public.

Also stories tend to circulate among close fans. MJs celebrity was just that much larger than life. I have been a major admirer of James Brown almost as long as I have been of MJ and Prince. But it was only after his death I heard the personal and negative stuff. My older cousin is a true James Brown fan and when I showed him an article about all the crap James had done he knew it all.

Janet Jackson has did it.....she was married for 10 years to her 2nd husband and we didn't even know about it until she announced she was getting a divorce

Yes Janet was sneaky.LOL. But the truth is MJ did have a private life. The eccentricities and stories were created to get people talking about him. It was a faustian bargain and it got out of hand, but the first stories (the ones he leaked) were quite harmless in hindsight. Eg. Elephant man bones, the hyperbaric chamber, shrine to Liz Taylor. ..all just publicity stunts which got people talking. How could he have know it would lead to "Wacko Jacko"?

The greatest NBA player of all time in Michael Jordan did it...he was the most popular athlete on the planet but we rarely saw pictures of his family, didn't really know if he was married or not until he won his first championship.....

Denzel Washington has been one of the most successful actors of the past 30 years and we rarely here about him in the news and he's starred in countless films during that time....

same with Robert Deniro and Al Pacino....they've been in all time classics and we rarely hear about them if at all......they remain private but still been active and productive ....

it can be done.....

they did not have to benefit on rumors or innuendo to spark up attention

Michael Jackson could have done the exact same thing........

as far as the Howard Hughes image/allure image of mystery

that didn't work for the real Howard Hughes so how can that work for Michael Jackson

the plastic surgery exascerbation destroyed his life and livelihood and there's no way getting aroudn that........

Again I don’t think the original plastic surgery hurt him in the least. He did a lot of surgery leading up to Thriller. I don’t remember anything negative being said about it until Bad…and that was more a result of his skin color changing than plastic surgery. And as you know he waited 6 years before giving the Vitiligo explanation. As a matter of fact I think if his skin color had remained the same, the surgeries would not be such a big deal.

for every fan who he attracted because of the surgeries, I should say the transformation...he lost 5 fans because of it

and that ratio clearly resonates in the trajectory of his record sales after Thriller

he lost half his fanbase alone in the United States of America, almost 2/3 of his fanbase during the years of BAD selling 6-8 million copies in this country compared to teh 25 million he sold here w/THRILLER.......he lost over half his fanbase in the course of 2 years, 4 FULL YEARS before the first allegations hit in 1993 (which I never believed he was guilty of before anyone jumps the gun)...

so the allegations can not be blamed for the declining sales.....

and after BAD, his subsequent albums sold 5 million copies than its predecessor

the image never worked......now if his record sales would have surpassed THRILLER, then it would be a legit argument that it did...but it never did and was never going to.....especially when the musical output waned....

Well I see Thriller a bit differently. Thriller sales was an aberration, a cultural phenomena, not his market by any means. You seem to think that MJs market was suddenly 25 million. Thriller sold to people who normaly did not buy records. James Baldwin wrote something very instructive after Thriller that “He hopes MJ realizes that his success has very little to do with him(MJ)” It is a profound and true statement.

So MJ sells 6-8 Million of OTW and 25 million of Thriller and then goes back to selling around 8 million for his following albums in the USA.

Lets compare that with Prince…Prince sells 3 million of 1999 and then 13 million of Purple Rain and then 2-3 million of Around the World in a Day. To me that says Prince’s market is 2-3 million and the 13 million sold of Purple Rain was an aberration. Not that Purple Rain sales figures represents his true market..not at all.

as far as any perceived backlash......I would suggest we exercise recall and focus on how the nation responded to WE ARE THE WORLD in 1985, the year after THRILLER completed its 2 year run on the charts.....

MIKE was so respected across the country, every single major radio station across the nation played that song at teh same time...that has never been done before or since.....along w/teh fact, citizens across the country from the very west to the very east joined hands from coast to coast........

he was a national icon......at that point, there was no backlash......

Woah, hold on there. Surely you are not suggesting that “We Are the World” was successful as it was solely due to Michael? If memory serves me well, he had a little help…from the biggest names in the American Music Industry. I guess Steve Perry (my favorite Rock Tenor), Bruce Springteen,Stevie Wonder,Lionel Ritchie, Dianna Ross and about 30 others were there to sing back-up!

But seriously, "We are the World" and songs of its nature do so well ultimately because they represent worthy causes. Buying these records was both a way of enjoying music and giving to the cause at the same time.. "Sun City", "Do They Know Is's Christmas" and "We Are the World" were a great way for people to enjoy music and give to causes they believed in at the same time. Very few bought "Candle in the Wind(Goodbye England's Rose)" because of Elton John. They bought it because it was a way to give to give to Lady Dianne's charities and of course their strong feelings of lost for Lady Di and her premature death.

And again there was a building backlash. It happens whenever a group gets popular. Call it overexposure if you will. But I remember well in high school, after a time it wasn’t that cool to say you were an MJ fan if you were a guy. His androgynous image made for a lot of unkind jokes.

There were other things too. Louis Farrakhan said something to the effect in 1984 of "Micheal Jackson is one of the most amazing artists of our time however he presents a female acting SISSYFIED way of expressing himself which is not a good image for our youth" This was in 1984 and seemed to be repeated everywhere in the media. There were other things too..fallout about high prices from the Victory Tour, his purchase of the Beatles Catalog received more negative press than positive...(this was really jealousy and bigotry). My point on this is prior to these incidents MJ could do no wrong. All of a sudden the media was criticizing him for minutiae. Anything they could find was painted negatively. I remember a news article saying "He pionered high prices in Music Videos"...WTF? Why didn't they say he pionered Excellence in music videos? That's what I mean by the backlash was building.

all true...but that rationale led to the greatest miscalculation in the history of showbizness, and this clearly points to more of an indoctrination that led to what we had witness...and this is where society has to take a good look at itself because after all the entertainment and music and dance has run its course, what is there left at the end for the person who chose this path....what is there left

when I see those videos for Don't Stop and Rock With You, at that point, his fans at that time knew he was already a showbizness legend, and the best entertainer, live performer on the planet......he was already a superstar...but see, everything starts w/the source and the problem is that after that period of his career...MICHAEL never talked about it in interview, especially after reaching his pinnacle...he barely made mention of his own album OFF THE WALL....

Again I became a fan during Thriller, but even now I don't see anything in Don't stop and Rock with You videos that would have lead me to think he was "the best entertainer, live performer on the planet". It wasn't until the Beat video It that I saw that. I remember when I first saw Beat I was so blown away I thought: "Now that is the way music should look!"

his dancing was more funkier and spontaneous during those years than even what we saw with THRILLER, he scaled down the full measure of his talent even then...

this gets to the point that's lost out of all of this.......the world of the past 27 years has never witnessed the real Michael Jackson..that's the great paradox of all of this.....

they've never seen him...

if the world got a chance to see the Triumph Tour, a whole new perspective would spring out the box.......but unfortunately, it will probably never happen......

if the estate really wants to take it to the ultimate level, they need to unleash that.....

I remember watching a little clip of MJ during the recording of "We Are the World". It was just a drum beat going and he, Webster and Lionel Ritchie were there. MJ just started grooving to the beat and it was so funky! I think his dancing took in influences of modern dance and ballet as he went on... I too would definatley like to see more releases of his concerts..hopefully sooner rather than later.

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Reply #174 posted 09/10/14 4:29am

Scorp

DonRants said:

Scorp said:

I remember watching a little clip of MJ during the recording of "We Are the World". It was just a drum beat going and he, Webster and Lionel Ritchie were there. MJ just started grooving to the beat and it was so funky! I think his dancing took in influences of modern dance and ballet as he went on... I too would definatley like to see more releases of his concerts..hopefully sooner rather than later.

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You are not really a big Prince fan are you Scorp? Because he has had a lot more crap than that. He even has books written about him essentially saying what a major turd he can be. Of course I am thinking about Possessed by Alex Hahn : http://www.amazon.com/Pos...0823077489 (Damn, my copy is now worth $43). In any event Prince was not on the level of interest that MJ commanded. When he was ,during Purple Rain, we also saw him experience hounding by the press which lead to the incident which lead to the song "Hello" during the "We Are the World Sessions".

You think MJ did not try to keep parts of his life private? I think he did. And I think is some ways he succeded. MJ was not the image that most believe he was. He was a much more complex and multifaceted human being than that caricature/man-child which he present to the public.

Also stories tend to circulate among close fans. MJs celebrity was just that much larger than life. I have been a major admirer of James Brown almost as long as I have been of MJ and Prince. But it was only after his death I heard the personal and negative stuff. My older cousin is a true James Brown fan and when I showed him an article about all the crap James had done he knew it all.

Just like Prince is a grown man, so was Michael Jackson

that Peter Pan persona he constructed was all superficial......it was all an extreme construct

as far as Prince not being of same interest as MJ.....overall that's true

but as 1983 was the year of MJ......1984 was the year of Prince, particularly the summer of 1984, particularly when Purple Rain the movie hit the big screen......

quite to the contrary of saying Prince was not a major interest......

that summer, I seen tons of cats emulate Prince, not only was the rockin the Prince hairstyle (with hair draping over one eye), they were rocking Prince attire...yes, the ruffles underneath the victorinan style outfits, AND they were rocking the color purple AND they were rollin in motorcycles......

yeah, we have accounts of Prince behind the scenes, but the difference is Prince wasn't trying to manipulate the press over the years.....MJ clearly did time and time again, and misled his fans too

and Prince was not only successful in is own right, but he lead a revolution of musical sound, where an entire region of music was dubbed "The Minneapolis Sound"...and who came out of that realm, people Prince played a major hand in w/establishing their careers, or opening the door for them to begin a career......we can go down the line.....VANITY 6, THE TIME, APPOLONIA 6, JESSE JOHNSON, THE FAMILY, SHEILA E., revived the career of SHEENA EASTON, working w/the MAVIS STAPLES of the world, LARRY GRAHAM.....and none of than JIMMY JAM and TERRY LEWIS, who became one of the most reknowned producing team in the mix.......

MJ made it known, telling his manager during that time that he wanted his life and career to be teh "greatest show on earth", following P.T. BARNUM......and that's when he started manipulating the press crafting the superficial image.....it was not only false, it was superficial....and it never ever worked....it was counterproductive from day one, and it never worked w/his original fanbase whose reason for supporting him was because of his talent for dance, music, and song.....

if it was one person who didn't have to go that route was MICHAEL JACKSON.....I dont' see why anyone would want to disagree with that when the evidence proves that it didn't work

and as you mentioned James Brown, we didn't learn of his problems in life until after he passed because he wasn't trying to manipulate the press during anytime of his career

this isn't about trying to deify people, or suggest someone is better than the next, but Prince or James Brown wasn't trying to con the press...and when James Brown was at his pinnacle, I'm sure he was drawing major interest too......

Yes Janet was sneaky.LOL. But the truth is MJ did have a private life. The eccentricities and stories were created to get people talking about him. It was a faustian bargain and it got out of hand, but the first stories (the ones he leaked) were quite harmless in hindsight. Eg. Elephant man bones, the hyperbaric chamber, shrine to Liz Taylor. ..all just publicity stunts which got people talking. How could he have know it would lead to "Wacko Jacko"?

MJ didn't have to manipulate the press for people to "talk" about him......that's the thing...he never had to do it....he was the biggest musical force on the planet......after WE ARE THE WORLD, fans and the press alike were already anticipating when his next album was going to be release...cats were still talkin about THRILLER, they were still talking about that THRILLER video....he had such huge momentum, he didn't have to craft an image to get people talking

Janet may have been "sneaky", but she didn't manipulate the press.....when u go that route, eventually, no matter who u are, the press will gain the upper hand, and when that moment happens, it's a wrap, because they will start dictating what the public will perceive about you...if MJ never would have given them that opening, they never would have been able to get to him....and they got to him when they starting calling him "wacko jacko".....that started in 1987, 1988 by British Press after BAD was released...he was never called that during the years of OFF THE WALL and THRILLER....know was he was called?.....Michael Jackson

Michael Jordan was the greatest athlete on the planet, and when the press tried to get him about issues off the court, they could never get him...they never got him, as a result, even after 10 years of retirement, he's still the greatest athlete on the planet....because he never gave them fuel to start a fire....

Again I don’t think the original plastic surgery hurt him in the least. He did a lot of surgery leading up to Thriller. I don’t remember anything negative being said about it until Bad…and that was more a result of his skin color changing than plastic surgery. And as you know he waited 6 years before giving the Vitiligo explanation. As a matter of fact I think if his skin color had remained the same, the surgeries would not be such a big deal.

the plasticy surgery excelleration and the response to it when BAD was released, the discussion was about everything, not just the skin color...it was all of it, because everything changed....there was already damage that was discernable, but it was covered with layers of makeup to mask it...based on what was done, at that point, you can't seperate the two....you could already see scar damage.....it becamse so disconcerting, by 1989, during a show celebrating Sammy Davi's 60th year in showbizness, he pleaded with MJ to stop having the surgeires

the deal was that it was a tremendous deal and look where it all led too...now we see tons of entertainers today, men and women, black and white who are disfiguring themselves having way too much plastic surgery and cosmetic procedures...destroying their life in teh process...and we can go down the list.......even when "successful surgery" is done, even if the desired look is achieved, it's only temporary, for there will exist future complications down the road these plastic surgeons aren't informing them about....

Well I see Thriller a bit differently. Thriller sales was an aberration, a cultural phenomena, not his market by any means. You seem to think that MJs market was suddenly 25 million. Thriller sold to people who normaly did not buy records. James Baldwin wrote something very instructive after Thriller that “He hopes MJ realizes that his success has very little to do with him(MJ)” It is a profound and true statement.

So MJ sells 6-8 Million of OTW and 25 million of Thriller and then goes back to selling around 8 million for his following albums in the USA.

Lets compare that with Prince…Prince sells 3 million of 1999 and then 13 million of Purple Rain and then 2-3 million of Around the World in a Day. To me that says Prince’s market is 2-3 million and the 13 million sold of Purple Rain was an aberration. Not that Purple Rain sales figures represents his true market..not at all.

Thriller was not an aberation......I doubt very seriously that MJ saw it as such......Thriller was a culmination of music itself.....people never mentioned this...look at all the great musicians behind the scenes who worked on that album...the musicians, the other great artists who sang background who represented the full gamut.....

it was a culmination of the best music had to offer that had been building from 1969-1984, truly music's golden era of existence, w/MJ being at the forefront of that....that was no accident....and this is why Quincy Jones said in his own autobiography......"the world misunderstand the reasons behind Michael Jackson's success, even Michael himself".....allot of this has to do with culture, culture that was suppressed by teh establishment during those 15 years......the same establishment that tried to erase disco off the map since disco was a music form that originated from underground black influence

THRILLER was no accident

PRINCE'S discography was such that he was releasing new albums practically every six months, AROUND THE WORD IN A DAY was released practically after Purple Rain completed its run, it was released in such a fashion, it was like an extension of Purple Rain....

Purple Rain was a masterpiece.......

same with Lionel Richie's album CAN'T SLOW DOWN which was his pinnacle achievement moment...no accident all these great benchmarks occured in 1983-1984 before the industry changed from an talent perspective to that of image, the day that happened, all of it began going downhill......

Woah, hold on there. Surely you are not suggesting that “We Are the World” was successful as it was solely due to Michael? If memory serves me well, he had a little help…from the biggest names in the American Music Industry. I guess Steve Perry (my favorite Rock Tenor), Bruce Springteen,Stevie Wonder,Lionel Ritchie, Dianna Ross and about 30 others were there to sing back-up!

But seriously, "We are the World" and songs of its nature do so well ultimately because they represent worthy causes. Buying these records was both a way of enjoying music and giving to the cause at the same time.. "Sun City", "Do They Know Is's Christmas" and "We Are the World" were a great way for people to enjoy music and give to causes they believed in at the same time. Very few bought "Candle in the Wind(Goodbye England's Rose)" because of Elton John. They bought it because it was a way to give to give to Lady Dianne's charities and of course their strong feelings of lost for Lady Di and her premature death.

And again there was a building backlash. It happens whenever a group gets popular. Call it overexposure if you will. But I remember well in high school, after a time it wasn’t that cool to say you were an MJ fan if you were a guy. His androgynous image made for a lot of unkind jokes.

There were other things too. Louis Farrakhan said something to the effect in 1984 of "Micheal Jackson is one of the most amazing artists of our time however he presents a female acting SISSYFIED way of expressing himself which is not a good image for our youth" This was in 1984 and seemed to be repeated everywhere in the media. There were other things too..fallout about high prices from the Victory Tour, his purchase of the Beatles Catalog received more negative press than positive...(this was really jealousy and bigotry). My point on this is prior to these incidents MJ could do no wrong. All of a sudden the media was criticizing him for minutiae. Anything they could find was painted negatively. I remember a news article saying "He pionered high prices in Music Videos"...WTF? Why didn't they say he pionered Excellence in music videos? That's what I mean by the backlash was building.

awww, so now we gone bring Louis Farrakhan into it...I see where this is headed........

the question is, when u was in high school...what year was you in high school....

because from 1979 up until 1985......some of the roughest cats on teh streets was rocking MJ...rocking BEAT IT shirts, jackets, the whole nine......

as far as WE ARE THE WORLD...it was a joint venture...no doubt about it, and as far as the actual performance....Steve Perry and Bruce Springsteen elevated that song to the highest heights....but MJ and Lionel Richie wrote the song

its' funny when a point is trying to be proven to uphold the false image, there's always an attempt to diminished what MJ accomplished during the years of his glory......but it's all good though

MJ didn't buy the Beatles catalog until after Thriller and the Victory Tour and most of the public and those buying his music even knew about it....matter of fact, most of the public didn't find out about that really until that trial hit in 2005......

there was no pending backlash by the public, by music followers, by peers, by contemporaries...

Again I became a fan during Thriller, but even now I don't see anything in Don't stop and Rock with You videos that would have lead me to think he was "the best entertainer, live performer on the planet". It wasn't until the Beat video It that I saw that. I remember when I first saw Beat I was so blown away I thought: "Now that is the way music should look!"

and in that BEAT IT video, all the leg kicks, and signature dance moves in that video....he was already doing it 4 years prior in 1979 when he performed live during the OFF THE WALL tour then in 1981, especially 1981 during the Triumph Tour.......

MJ was already rocking the glove 4 years before MOTOWN 25 hit the airwaves....

and this is why the original fanbase who witnessed the very beginning of MJ'S adult solo career should have more opportunity to highlight this stuff but it will never happen.....their voice does not count and tha'ts a huge part of the problem

MJ was on fire so much on stage prior to THRILLER.....he was doing a full round of spins that led into another round of spins all w/in the same stride w/out breaking stride.....

but when I say this stuff....I really think people dont' believe it because they never saw it...that's the great paradox in the room....

I remember watching a little clip of MJ during the recording of "We Are the World". It was just a drum beat going and he, Webster and Lionel Ritchie were there. MJ just started grooving to the beat and it was so funky! I think his dancing took in influences of modern dance and ballet as he went on... I too would definatley like to see more releases of his concerts..hopefully sooner rather than later.

the irony is that if those concerts were released, the world would be witnessing the real Michael Jackson, whom they've never seen before, and if they did get the opportunity to see it, then their entire perspective will change about all this stuff, and I dont' think the estate wants that to happen......

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Michael Jackson Immortal Tour Wraps With Eighth-Best Gross of All Time

Michael Jackson: The Immortal World Tour

Cirque du Soleil's "Michael Jackson: The Immortal World Tour" premiered in Montreal in October, 2011.

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Cirque du Soleil's Michael Jackson the Immortal World Tour has wrapped after its three-year run, earning the No. 8 slot on the list of the top-grossing tours of all time with $360 million, based on Billboard Boxscore. The tour played its final performance on Aug. 31 in Guadalajara, Mexico, the last of 501 shows at 157 venues in 28 countries worldwide. The production celebrating the music of the late King of Pop began in Montreal on Oct. 2, 2011, and included legs in four continents during its run that logged a total attendance count of 3,369,207.

U2 reigns atop the all-time Billboard Boxscore ranking (see list below) with $736 million in sales from its 360° tour, which played stadiums from 2009 through 2011. The veteran Irish band also takes the No. 6 slot with its Vertigo tour from 2005-07 ($389 million). The Rolling Stones are the only other act with two tours on the list, with A Bigger Bang (2005-07) at No. 2 with $558 million and Voodoo Lounge (1994-95) ranking 10th with $320 million. The sole female headliner on the all-time top 10 is Madonna at No. 5 with her Sticky & Sweet tour ($408 million in 2008-2009. The top sole male tour goes to Roger Waters' "The Wall Live" (2010-13) with $459 million.

Guadalajara's Arena VFG hosted the Jackson tribute tour for its final engagement of seven performances from Aug. 28 through 31. With $3 million in sales at the Mexican arena, the Cirque du Soleil concert production makes its last appearance on Billboard's weekly slate of Hot Tours, ranking third this week. Leading the tally at No. 1 is country star Jason Aldean with $5.5 million in sales from his Burn It Down tour, currently on the road in North America through October. With Florida Georgia Line and Tyler Farr on the bill, the Macon, Ga., native has packed stadiums, outdoor amphitheaters, arenas, fairs and festivals during his summer outing that kicked off at the beginning of May. Box office revenue since the launch is now at $25 million from almost a half-million tickets sold.

Teenage pop star Austin Mahone grabs the No. 2 Hot Tours ranking for the week with $3.6 million in sales reported from his Secret tour that wrapped in North America on Aug. 21 in Philadelphia. The tour played 19 markets in the U.S. and Canada during a four-week run that kicked off on July 25 in San Antonio. The attendance count topped 78,000 during the tour that featured the Vamps, Fifth Harmony and Shawn Mendes as openers. The top grosses came from two major markets on the schedule: New York and Los Angeles. The Izod Center in East Rutherford, N.J., produced the top gross and attendance totals with $375,786 in sales from a sellout crowd of 7,457 on Aug. 20. Southern California fans filled L.A.'s NOKIA Theatre on July 30 with 5,790 sold seats and $301K at the box office, the second highest gross on the tour.

Top 10 Highest Grossing Tours ­ according to Billboard Boxscore (in millions)

1. U2 - 360° (2009-11) - $736
2. The Rolling Stones ­ A Bigger Bang (2005-07) - $558
3. Roger Waters ­ The Wall Live (2010-13) - $459
4. AC/DC ­ Black Ice (2008-10) - $441
5. Madonna ­ Sticky & Sweet (2008-09) - $408
6. U2 ­ Vertigo (2005-07) - $389
7. The Police ­ Reunion (2007-08) - $362
8. Michael Jackson Immortal (2011-14) - $360
9. Bruce Springsteen ­ Wrecking Ball (2012-13) - $347
10. The Rolling Stones ­ Voodoo Lounge (1994-95) - $320

http://www.billboard.com/articles/columns/chart-beat/6251218/michael-jackson-immortal-tour-eighth-best

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Michael Jackson's Charitable Contributions


Michael Jackson’s humanitarian background commences during his early years, when, out of his daily earnings as a Jackson – 5 lead member, he would purchase ice-cream and chewing gum for children in his neighborhood, according to both himself and members of his family.



The Early Years:

On June 28, 1968, the Chicago Chapter of the National Association of Television and Radio Announcers (NATRA) hold its show/dance fund-raising affair, ‘Soul In’, in the Sunset Ballroom. The show featured Jerry Butler, Mable John, Jean Wells, the Esquires, the Jackson 5, Maurice & Mac, the Trends, the Mirettes, the Forevers, Bobby King and Fran Oliver.


The Jackson Five’s June, 1970 concert at the Los Angeles Forum in California, the group returns to the stage, at Cobo Arena in Detroit, Michigan as part of a star-studded tribute to boxer Joe Louis. By 1970, the ‘Brown Bomber’ was broke and ailing, and the organizing committee hopes to raise 100,000 dollars to help him defray hospital costs. Comedians Bill Cosby and Redd Foxx, and music artists Billy Ekstine, Mahalia Jackson, B. B. King, the Four Tops and the Jackson 5 entertain crowd of 12,000 spectators on August 12. Louis himself is too ill to attend, although a vacant chair is left in front in his honor. Berry Gordy, himself a former boxer, serves as the Honorary Chair for the event, and is probably responsible for getting the Jackson Five to perform for the gig.

On January 31, 1971, the Jackson 5 return to their home county, Gary, Indiana, to play two benefit concerts for Mayor Richard G. Hatcher’s re-election campaign at Westside High School. A ceremony is held outside their former home at 2300 Jackson Street.

Approximately in 1972, Michael Jackson and the Jackson 5 visit the Children’s Heart Hospital in Philadelphia County, PA., the singer also being seen signing pictures and autographs for the children therein.
In early 1972, the Jackson 5 and The Supremes are the headliners performing a benefit concert, the first annual 'Martin Luther King Jr. Birthday Concert' in Atlanta, Georgia, helping to raise the start-up funds for the "Martin Luther King Jr. Center for Social Change" in Atlanta.

On September 30, 1972, the Jackson 5, and a variety of entertainers, perform for "Save The Children", a film theme of the 1972 "Black Exposition" and conducted by "Operation PUSH" ("People To Save Humanity") in the International Amphitheater of Chicago, the event highlighting, among musical acts, footage of the city’s black population, their churches, schools, slums and playgrounds, and promoting the hope for an improved future, benefiting the children of Chicago, Illinois.

On November 18, 1972, Michael Jackson and the Jackson 5 perform at an NAACP fund-raising dinner at Hollywood, Palladium, California, at the 6th annual Black Image Awards. The NAACP is the National Association For The Advancement Of Colored People, one of the oldest and most influential civil rights organizations in the United States.

On December 9, 1972, Michael J. and the Jackson 5 make an appearance in the Watts Christmas Parade in Los Angeles, California, and they serve as honorary chairmen. The parade is televised the following day on KTLA.

On December 23, 1972, in Los Angeles, California, the 14-year old singer and the Jackson 5, dressed as Santas, make their appearance at a Christmas party held at the Pacific Townclub, to visit and offer presents - on behalf of their record company, Motown - to 700 (according to some sources, others reporting a number of 400) underprivileged children. In an article, titled “The Jackson 5 Really Changed!”, the writer points out that “the first time the J-5 did a benefit at a children’s hospital, Michael came home and cried all night at the memory of all those sick children lying in beds, some not even able to move their hands to clap. That is when he became actively involved in communicating with these kids. He corresponds with youngsters his own age in hospitals all over the country. These are not letters dictated to a secretary by a superstar, but letters written in Michael’s own hand during breaks in recording or rehearsing or even in school.”

On December 24, 1972, the Jackson 5 perform Christmas songs during a benefit concert at the "Foundation for the Junior Blind" in Los Angeles, California, for 1000 visually impaired children, 400 of which attending the benefit party. On his thoughts about the event, Michael Jackson declares: "You know, really, this is what Christmas is all about - giving."

On March 7, 1973, young Michael Jackson visits the bedside of 6-year old Leslie Robinette - suffering from from aplastic anemia caused by the genetic disease fanconi anemia – at the Seattle Children’s Hospital - then The Children's Orthopedic Hospital and Medical Center. Robinette received a bone marrow transplant, and was one of the youngest to ever have the procedure. She went through chemotherapy, radiation, an ever-changing plethora of medications and was kept in isolation for three months; her state of health was precarious, the doctors saying, after she was dismissed from the hospital, that she might live 10 years. “I was sitting in my room looking out the window, ironically listening to 'Looking Through the Window' by the Jackson 5, when I heard all the nurses going wild and carrying on”, Robinette declares 26 years later. Coincidentally, the Jackson 5 were there. “They asked me which one I wanted to see, and I said I wanted to see Michael - he was the cute one”, she says, laughing. She describes teenage Jackson as shy, but kind and sincere, signing an autographer for her, holding her hand and asking about her state. “I would never say that he saved her life - that's crazy - but he gave her back a little of her will to live because she had lost it”, Trine Robinette, Leslie’s sister adds. Leslie eventually did improve, and her family returned to their farm in Greeneville, Tenn., where she still lives with her parents. 11 years later, Leslie met Jackson again, while he was on tour in Knoxville with his brothers, where she received free tickets, then went backstage to meet the Jackson clan. "I asked him if he remembered me, and he said yes. We talked about my singing in chorus and how I was getting my back brace off soon”, Robinette says. Jackson then told his security detail that she was his guest, so she got to watch the third show from a raised VIP platform, seated right next to Jackson's mother, Katherine. Still struggling with her disease, she is less than 4 feet tall and weighs about 60 pounds, but she is now 42 and is involved in North American Riding for the Handicapped Association and currently is training to become an instructor. "I've always felt that Michael and I were kind of kindred spirits, because we both grew up not being able to really go anywhere or do anything normal kids do”, Robinette says, adding that she hopes people will remember Michael Jackson for his good deeds and music.
On August 16, 1973, Michael Jackson and the Jackson 5 perform in a benefit gig at St. Paul Civic Center Arena in Minnesota, with proceeds of the concert being funneled to the Afro-American Music Opportunities Association (AAMOA). AAMOA, based in the Twin Cities, promotes Black Music and assists Black composers and musicians worldwide.

On January 29, 1974, the Jackson 5 start their one-week tour in Dakar, Senegal for their first African tour, where they perform concerts, attend representations from several African dancers, visit the humble dwelling places of some inhabitants there, and also pose for pictures with and sign autographs for them, among sightseeing and shopping experiences. They also hold a press conference with a Senegalese radio, and visit Goree Island.

On August 17, 1974, the Jackson 5 perform at the World Expo/Expo ‘74 in Spokane (Washington). Expo '74 was an environmentally themed world's fair, which ran from May 4 to November 3, 1974. Spokane was the smallest city to host a world's fair, until Knoxville, Tennessee held the 1982 World's Fair eight years later. The theme for Expo '74 was “Celebrating Tomorrow's Fresh New Environment.” The fair had 5,2 million visitors and was considered a success, nearly breaking even, revitalizing the blighted urban core, and pumping an estimated 150 million dollars into the local economy and surrounding region.
The Jackson 5 attend The Tournament of Roses Parade in 1974. Better known as the Rose Parade, it is "America's New Year Celebration", a festival of flower-covered floats, marching bands, equestrians and a college football game on New Year's Day, produced by the non-profit ‘Pasadena Tournament of Roses Association’.

In 1977, The Jacksons (as they would be known since 1975) visit the impoverished areas of Trinidad, Port-au-Spain, namely the economically deprived inhabitants, not affording to attend a Jacksons’ concert. Michael Jackson enters their cardboard – stone houses and visits and greets the Catholic – school girls therein. The mentioned year finds The Jacksons competing with other teams of entertainers in the "Rock ‘N’ Roll Sports Classics" special program; being joined in their East team by affiliated show business members, they are awarded as first – place winners of the competition with a set of 20,000 dollars, a charitable contribution funneled to the University of California, U.S.A.
On May 17, 1977, the Jacksons flow to Glasgow, Scotland for a command performance for Queen Elizabeth II, with proceeds of the show going to the Silver Jubilee Fund. The Fund was established 1977 to commemorate the Queen’s Silver Jubilee, and its purpose is to enable a small number of senior students in Cumbria’s schools and colleges to undertake work experience projects of academic nature overseas, connected to industry, service to the community, the arts, sport etc.

Michael Jackson is seen signing autographs prior a benefit show he attended at the Shubert Theatre in Los Angeles, California, in October, 1978.

In January, 1979, the singer donates a number of his favorite books, including J.M Barrie's "Peter Pan", to the Chicago Public Library’s Young Adult Services and, on occasion of a library project, "Boogie To The Book Beat", he delivers a speech on the importance of reading. According to the “Michael Jackson, The Early Years” biographical publication by Chris Cadman and Craig Halstead, some of his other favorite titles he presents to the Library that year were: “The Old Man and the Sea”, “RIP Van Winkle”, “The Red Balloon”, “Abraham Lincoln, The Prairie Years and the War Years” and “The Complete Works of O. Henry” among others.

In 1979, "The Black Linkage For Adoptive Children" hosts a charity event during which the Jacksons’ costumes from their 1979 Destiny Tour were auditioned off to the highest bidder; Michael Jackson’s costume garnered 575,00 dollars, the highest price from an impersonator who performed in an outfit that night for a gig.

In October, 1979, the entertainer participates at a fundraiser, 'Stars Come Out For The Sun', in Hollywood Palladium, Los Angeles. The event was organised by Jackson's friend at the time, American actress, writer and activist, Jane Fonda and was to benefit solar energy.

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The 1980's
The August/September 1980 issue of “Ebony Jr”. writes that all summer long, the Chicago Public Library has been carrying on a special program with the Jacksons’ help. The program, “Boogie to the Library Beat,” was put together to raise the interest of young people in the benefits and joys of reading. Michael Jackson agreed to help the Chicago Public Library in this program, while fan club members visited different libraries to help encourage young people to read, and to invite more young people to join the Chicago Jacksons International Fan Club. “The Chicago Jackson International Fan Club” would like to say, thank you, Jacksons, for making the biggest dream of our lives come true, for taking time out to spend with your fans, and for entertaining us for ten years”, the fan community expresses for “Ebony Jr.”

In 1980, Michael Jackson performs song “Rock With You” at “Because We Care”, a UNICEF Charity Gala held at Nassau Veterans Memorial Coliseum in Uniondale, New York. "Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you very much, not only for your applause, but thank you for caring; and I’m very happy to be here. I love you all. Thank you”, he says to the audience after completing his performance.

Around 1980, while touring in Philadelphia, Michael Jackson and The Jacksons visit the local Children’s Hospital, the group also making other such relief apperances during their tours.


On July 22, 1981, The Jacksons give a special benefit concert for the "Atlanta Children’s Foundation" at the Omni Auditorium in Atlanta, Georgia, and raise 100,000 dollars for the charity, subsequently to lengthy episodes of Black youth disappearances and murders in the mentioned city. Speaking on behalf of himself and his brothers, Michael Jackson reveals, "We Are doing this because we care". LeBaron Taylor, vise president and general manager of Divisional Affairs for CBS Records, distributor of Epic Efforts for whom the Jacksons record, and coordinator of the special event comments, "We are pleased that The Jacksons have scheduled this special performance for such a worthy cause [...]".

* During the years of residing at Hayvenhurst mansion with his family, Michael Jackson accepts a large number of children’s requests to visit him there through foundations such as "Make A Wish", most of these visits not being publicized, sister La Toya Jackson confirms in her 1991 autobiography, as well as the singer himself. The young visitors would be treated to screenings, sweets to their preference from the residence’s Candy Store, to petting the exotic pets of his menagerie, to arcade and video - game playing and the like.

In July, 1982, Jackson attends the City of Hope Spirit of Life Awards Dinner, producer Quincy Jones being honoured with a ‘Spirit of Life’ award that evening. ‘City of Hope’ is an organization recognized worldwide for its compassionate patient care, innovative science and translational research, which rapidly turns laboratory breakthroughs into promising new therapies. For nearly 100 years, City of Hope’s pioneering research has brought the world closer to cures for many life-threatening diseases, from cancer to diabetes.

In 1982, singer Donna Summer covers world-anthem "State Of Independence" on her album, “Donna Summer” produced by Quincy Jones. Summer's version of the song features an all-star choir including Michael Jackson, Brenda Russell, James Ingram, Dionne Warwick, Kenny Loggins, Michael McDonald, Lionel Richie, Christopher Cross, Dyan Cannon and Stevie Wonder. This song was originally written and recorded by Jon Anderson and Vangelis for their 1981 album, The Friends Of Mr. Cairo. It was cited by Quincy Jones as being the precursor to and inspiration for the 1985 'We are the world', written by Michael Jackson and Lionel Richie, and thematically, it is a spiritually-driven song about universal love, peace, and unity unfolding under God’s guiding truth.

Decades ago (the beginning of the ‘80’s, presumably), Lidia Knight, a 10 year old disadvantaged girl from the Dominican Republic, receives her first pair of new shoes on behalf of a project sponsored by Michael Jackson. The project’s volunteers came to her village to measure children’s feet, then returned with brand-new made shoes for them, including with a pair of socks, a backpack full of school supplies and a small boombox that played Jackson's music. From then on, Lidia's life became different and her school classes better, thanks to new paper and crayons. "(Michael Jackson) inspired me to dream, when I didn't think I was allowed to do it. I wasn't taught to dream," says Lidia. "I'm thankful that I'm at a place in my life now where I can better myself ... and I don't think God has brought me here to just stop.” Lidia currently works as a waitress, is a mother and will start her second year of college this autumn at the Cape Girardeau Partnership for Higher Education. Her mother and brother now live in New York, and her older brother and two sisters still live in the Dominican Republic, where poverty is still very much a harsh reality. To learn more about Lidia’s troubled life and formative background, go to http://www.semissourian.c...48399.html and read her heart-striking story.

On January 27, 1984, Michael Jackson suffers burns on the back of his head while filming the said commercial with his brothers for the Pepsi Corporation. The magnesium smoke bombs used for the commercial are to blame, being only two feet away from either side of the singer’s head. A spark from one of the bombs set his hair alight and resulted in second and third degree burns his scalp. As a result of the unfortunate incident and news coverage, both Pepsi and Jackson’s sales soar. Two subsequent Pepsi commercials are debuted at the Grammy awards ceremony in 1984. Jackson does not sue Pepsi, instead donates the entire earnings in damages from the sponsor - 1,5, million dollars – to a center named after the singer, “The Michael Jackson Burn Center For Children”.



On April 9, 1984, through the auspices of the "Brass Ring Society", an organization which fulfills the wishes of terminally ill children, he welcomes 14-year-old David Smithee to his mansion, the boy suffering from cystic fibrosis, as a result, granting his last wish. During the afternoon visit at Jackson's Encino, California home, the boy watches a movie with Jackson in his home theater, plays video games and learns how to moonwalk from the star. Of the video games, David later tells a Tulsa Tribune reporter, "I played two games with him and beat him both times.” The visit was topped off with Jackson giving David the red leather jacket he had worn in the "Beat It" video and a beaded glove he had worn to the American Music Awards, where he collected eight awards. 7 weeks after, however, Smithee unhappily passes away. Michael Jackson will remember the boy by dedicating the Jacksons' 'Victory' album in his honor.

On April 14, 1984, Jackson equips a 19 – bed unit at "Mount Sinai Medical Center", a division of the "T.J. Martell Foundation for Leukemia and Cancer Research" and attends a dinner event organized by the said foundation. That day, he also poses for a picture with young David Smithee, which will unfortunately pass away a month later.

In 1984, he engages in supporting the "National Campaign Against Teenage Drunk Driving", campaign addressing the perils of alcohol use resulting in car accidents, and/or life loss. In May, he is asked to donate the song "Beat It" for anti drink driving advertisements

In June, 1984, the entertainer meets with other supporters of the “Camp Goodtimes”, a non-profit organization founded by parents of children with cancer, in Malibu, Los Angeles, such as O.J. Simpson, Dustin Hoffman, David Soul, Neil Diamond and Richard Chamberlain. The first Camp Goodtimes event will be held in Vashon Island at Camp Sealth, August 1984. Ninety-three children, cancer patients and siblings attended and twenty-five American Cancer Society volunteers, who staffed the camp along with the summer staff at Camp Sealth.

On July 5, 1984, on occasion of a Jacksons’ press conference at former restaurant in New York, USA, "Tavern on the Green", Michael Jackson announces that his Victory – tour share of proceeds are to entirely cover three charitable organizations: "The United Negro College Fund", "Camp Good Times" and "T.J. Martel Foundation". Furthermore, at each gig, 500 places are reserved for invalids and hospital patients, taken on stretchers into the stadiums.

One night in Dallas, Texas (presumably during the Jacksons’ Victory Tour concerts from July 13 to July 15, 1984), Michael Jackson receives a 9-year-old boy with a brain tumor and spinal cancer. The boy is rushed to Jackson’s room on a stretcher.

As the July 23, 1984 issue of JET magazine reports, NAACP Executive Director, Benjamin Hooks, announced on July 4 that the Jackson family have agreed to let the civil rights organization register potential voters outside the stadiums at their summer (Victory tour) concerts. Hooks also declared that the family has endorsed the program and will serve as national co-chairmen for the National Voter Registration Drive project. Registration booths would be set up outside Arrowhead Stadium in Kansas City, venue of the tour's opening concert.

In 1984, the group donates 1200 tickets, valued at 39,000 dollars, to a number of disadvantaged children, subsequently to a performance at Texas Stadium in Dallas, Texas. In addition, they are performing for eight children suffering from incurable illnesses in Jacksonville, Florida, where Michael Jackson grants the wish of 14-year old Malanda Cooper in Miami, Florida, paralyzed in a car accident, visiting her backstage and presenting her with a tape of his Victory tour concerts and a jacket worn by the singer during the concerts. The group also performs for 700 other underprivileged people during another performance. Furthermore, they enable the transportation of 40 children from the "Thelma Marshall Children's Home" for orphans, foster and abandoned children, - The Hoosier Boys Home and the Donzels Work Study Program for high school students working toward a college education to Detroit, Michigan for a performance there. The selfsame year, Michael Jackson meets and supports a moribund young patient by offering his black sequined glove and leather jacket to him.

On December 13, 1984, he visits the unit for burn victims at "Brotman Memorial Hospital" in Los Angeles, him having been admitted there previously for head injuries, derived from the stage pyrotechnics incident during filming the commercial for Pepsi along with his brothers. Among the victims, he meets 23-year old mechanic, Keith Perry, burned over 90 percent of his body in a car crash. The surgeons declare that Jackson’s visit at Perry’s bedside was the main reason he had pulled through: "Michael encouraged him, talking to him for hours", says Los Angeles hospital spokesman, Judy Davis.

1984 is the year when the United Negro College Fund establishes the 'Michael Jackson Scholars' program while the singer is on tour with his brothers.

On January 28, 1985, Michael Jackson arrives at A&M Lion Share Studios, Los Angeles, California to record with a variety of American singers the highly successful benefit anthem, "We Are The World" (co-written with singer Lionel Richie), grossing a total of more than 60 million dollars for the most severely famine – stricken African countries. Among the long list of other performers are: Harry Belafonte, Ray Charles, Bob Dylan, Stevie Wonder, Diana Ross, Tina Turner, James Ingram, Bob Geldoff, Jackie, La Toys, Marlon, Randy and Tito Jackson, Al Jarreau, Billy Joel, Cyndi Lauper, Bette Midler, Willie Nelson, Steve Perry, The Pointer Sisters, Smokey Robinson, Kenny Rogers, Paul Simon, Bruce Springsteen, Dionne Warwick etc. The recording session begins at 9:00 p.m., and lasts the entire night. Jackson doesn’t leave until 8:00 a.m. the next morning. “We Are The World – The Video Event” will become the ninth best selling video cassette of 1985. The song itself will be released on March 7, 1985 to be selling approximately 800,000 copies in its first three days of release. By 1986, the song will have sold in excess of 7,5 million copies and raised 8 million dollars for famine relief.

In 1985, for the “Hands Across America” project, which follows the USA For Africa one, Jackson favors use of “We Are The World”. He has been outvoted by the other board members and a new song was especially written for the event, “Hands Across America”, with “We Are The World” as the B-side, though the song won’t achieve nearly the amount of success “We Are The World” has. A second version of “We Are The World” will be produced by George Duke, with children singing the lyrics. Jackson has always preferred this version to the USA For Africa one, considering that the song was "meant" to be sung by children.

On March 29, 1985, the singer visits the Royal London Hospital, it being his second visit there in two years. Jackson also views the remains of Joseph Carey Merrick - the Elephant Man - , sometimes incorrectly referred to as John Merrick. He became well known in London society after he went to live at the London Hospital. Merrick died in 1890, at the age of 27. Following his hospital visit, Jackson attends an evening party and reception afterwards in his honor, CBS Records presenting him with a platinum wall-mounted plaque.

On July 30, 1985, Michael Jackson severely sprains his right hand during the filming of 3-D fantasy musical, ‘Captain EO’. He is treated at the ‘Brotman Memorial Hospital’ where he also visits a sick fan, confined to her wheelchair.

In 1985, he attends a charity Australian Telethon in Perth. He also makes a brief speech outdoors, before a crowd of fans. In August, 1985, after his appearance on the Telethon, he visits the ‘Princess Margaret Children’s Hospital’ in Perth, which benefits the hospital’s children. He chats with children there and their parents and poses for picture. On October 21, 1985, while in Perth, he also visits the animals from the “Cohuna Wildlife Sanctuary”, and is photographed with a Koala bear in his arms, being fed leaves.

An animal advocate also, the singer rescues a chimpanzee (that would become his pet animal) from a cancer research facility in Texas, U.S. in 1986, and would, moreover, house other endangered species of animals as part of his menageries from both Hayvenhurst and Neverland ranches throughout the years. Jackson is said to have first seen soon-to-be pet chimpanzee, Bubbles, in American film comedy, “Back To School”.

On February 28, 1986, he telephones and invites 14-year-old Donna Ashlock from California - convalescing after a heart transplant - over to "Hayvenhurst" mansion in Encino, there dining and watching a film with the young patient, the actual visit taking place on March, 8. That same year, he invites 12-year-old Danielle Finmark (attending "Camp Ronald McDonald for Good Times", an organization for children with cancer) to the ranch, where she tours the residence, visits his menagerie, has lunch with Jackson and watches movie "Short Circuit" with him, according to Finmark.

In the afore – mentioned year (1986), he establishes the "Michael Jackson UNCF Endowed Scholarship Fund", a foundation then estimated at 1,5 million dollars, aiming to boost youth education, specialization in art performances and communication. The company’s funds would be a yearly supply for the African-American students attending a "UNCF" college or university. That year, the fund had provided 97 scholarship awards and enrolled scholars in nearly all of UNCF’s 42 schools, it was reported.

“Michael’s Pets”, a collection of stuffed animals made in the likeness of Jackson’s own pets is marketed in October, 1986. The singer was “very instrumental in the designing of the toys” and “in how it should be programmed”, according to Bob Michaelson, who helped develop the line with Jackson. The stuffed pets are ten in number, namely Cool Bear, based on the singer himself, Jabbar the giraffe, Louie the llama, Muscles the snake, Bubbles the chimpanzee, Uncle Tookie the frog, Spanky, a white dog, Mr. Bill, another dog, Suzy the rabbit, and Jeannine the ostrich. The singer requests that one dollar out of each purchase from the "Michael’s Pets" set be placed aside for a children’s organization.

On September 10, 1987, on a stop from his Bad Tour concerts, Michael Jackson visits the Korakuen Amusement Park in Tokyo, Japan, and the Disneyland Tokyo the following day.

In September, 1987, Michael Jackson donates 20,000 dollars to a family in Japan, for their 5-year old kidnapped and murdered son, Yoshiaki Hagiwara, in memory of whom the singer says a few words while on stage in Yokohama, Japan, on the second leg of his Bad World Tour. He also dedicates the Tour to the late youth. Furthermore, on September 13, he displays his support towards a campaign against racism, as well as towards "NAACP"s mission to help arrest prejudiced conduct against black artists.

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In October, 1987, he gives away 30 personal items and memorabilia such as t-shirts, sunglasses or a windbreaker for an auction addressing "UNESCO", the proceeds of which being invested into awareness raising and helping educate children in developing countries.


On November 13, 1987, Michael Jackson meets 4-year old wounded Angela Darlington and her mother, Helen, in Melbourne Children’s Hospital during a stop from his BAD concert there at the Olympic Park Stadium. The mother has this to say on the visit 21 years later: “My daughter, Angela, was in hospital with head injuries after being hit by a car. One day we were told by the nurses that Michael Jackson was coming to visit. We had to keep it a secret, so the hospital wasn’t overwhelmed with fans. There was a big flurry, as his assistants handed out T-shirts and signed copies of his Bad album to everyone on the ward. Then he just walked around and talked to the patients. […] I said hello. He said he was pleased to meet me. I was gobsmacked. He was very gentle and seemed shy. I got the sense he had a deep love for children, especially those who’d been hurt. Then he crouched down and said ‘Hello, Angela’. She couldn’t talk, because she’d just come out of a coma, but she started smiling. After that day, she started to get better. I think of him as an inspiration. We’d been having a terrible time – Angela was in hospital and I’d been ringing Lifeline to keep myself together, but he was a total inspiration for the whole ward. I thought: ‘Thank God for sending him’. He just had a presence about him – this great empathy with people who needed to get better. Now, Angela is 25, at university and full of life. There was another boy on the ward who was about 15 and was a huge fan. After Michael’s visit, he started getting better too. His mom thought it was a miracle. I believe many of the children got better after meeting him. I think people should know about this side of Michael. I’ve never believed he was anything but a good person.”

On November 18, 1987, he visits the Sydney Children’s Hospital in Randwick, Australia. Natasha Lang, mother of a child committed in the hospital at the time, offers her account of his visit there years later: “[…] I will never forget that day as long as I live, when Michael came to the hospital with an abundance of stuffed animal toys, so generously given, to all the children in the children’s ward. He went around the ward and visited each child personally and quietly spoke words of comfort to them and I will never forget the delight of these children, the medical staff and the parents who visited on that day. My son now is a grown man and I wish to share this photograph with the whole world because it shows Michael’s selfless and generous nature. My son, unfortunately, lost his eye in a school accident that week and, as you can imagine, it was a real tragedy for the whole family, but that day he gave us all some joy, great pleasure and an abundance of happiness.”

World-conscious single, “Man In The Mirror” (written by Siedah Garrett and Glen Ballard), is released on January 9, 1988, and is the fourth consecutive number-1 single off album BAD. It was recorded with The Andre Crouch Choir. The song is described as Jackson going “a step further" and offering "a straightforward homily of personal commitment”, which can be seen in the lyrics: “I'm starting with the man in the mirror/I'm asking him to change his ways/And no message could have been clearer/If you wanna make the world a better place/Take a look at yourself and then make a change.” The videoclip features shots of starving children, homeless people, intermixed with shots of individuals that have made contributions towards helping them: Bob Geldoff, organizer of Band Aid and Live AID for the relief of famine victims, Willie Nelson, organizer of Farm Aid benefiting farmers, shots of Mahatma Gandhi, Mother Theresa, Dr. Martin Luther King, Bishop Desmond Tutu, President Reagan with Soviet leader, Mikhail Gorbachov. Other notable people appearing include Raúl Alfonsín, Lech Wałęsa, Anwar El Sadat, Menachem Begin, Jimmy Carter, Rosa Parks, Pieter Willem Botha, and Adolf Hitler. Tragic events such as the Iranian hostage crisis, John Fitzegerald and Robert Kennedy’s assassinations, King’s, John Lennon’s are combined with a more joyful occurrence, the rescue of Jessica McClure from a well in Midland, Texas. Jackson is featured in only a brief shot, raising his arms giving the peace sign, surrounded by a crowd of children while on tour in Japan. “Man In The Mirror” peaks at number 1 in the United States soon afterwards. It is one of Jackson's most critically acclaimed songs, topping the Billboard Hot 100 charts for two weeks. The song reaches the number 8 in the UK Singles Charts in 1988, but in 2009, following the news of his passing, the song will peak at number two.

In January, 1988, one of his Bad Tour concert proceeds in Los Angeles are funneled to "Childhelp USA", the largest organization against child abuse.

In February, 1988, the singer’s (inspirational) song, "Man in the Mirror", in partnership with "Camp Ronald McDonald", provides the cancer-plagued children of "Good Times" with its royalties.



On February 24, 1988, two-year old cancer patient, Allan Bufford, held by his mother, Brenda, meets his favorite entertainer backstage in Kansas City, Missouri on occasion of Jackson’s US leg of his first solo world tour, the Bad Tour. The ill boy obtained his doctor’s permission to attend the sold-out show.

On March 1, 1988, (on occasion of the United Negro College Fund's 44th dinner) at a press conference organized by his sponsor, Pepsi, in Manhattan, N.Y., he offers UNCF’s President and CEO, Christopher Edley a check for 600,000 dollars, the entire grossings from his private sold-out benefit concert held at Madison Square Garden in New York City (for the 42 UNCF institutions, including Fisk University), making him one of "UNCF"s most significant donators. The event featured children reading their dreams and wishes as Jackson looks on.

In the spring of 1988, Michael Jackson moves out of his home in Encino, California, which he has shared with his parents, brother Randy, and sisters La Toya and Janet since approximately 1971. He purchases a 2,800 acre ranch in Los Olivos, California in March for the reported price of 28 million dollars, while other sources say it was closer to 17 million. Previously called 'Sycamore Ranch', it was spotted by Jackson 5 years before, when he filmed a music video for "Say, Say, Say" with Paul McCartney. The grounds of this ranch consist in a mansion, guest house, tennis courts, lakes, streams, thousands of oak trees and a large space for his menagerie. The house will become an more or less official non-profit organization housing disadvantaged children and their families for over 17 years. Shortly before purchasing his new home, his Encino house was used for an auction of artwork, the 2 million-dollar proceeds from the auction going to the “South African Council of Churches” for housing, clothing and medical supplies. The auction is hosted by actress Whoopi Goldberg; Jackson was not at home at the time.

On March 15, 1988, at his new mansion, Michael Jackson hosts benefits for Saint Vincent’s Residence. Saint Vincent’s Residence is one of the charity organizations from the Catholic Community Services of Northern Nevada, which offers 28 studio apartments and 25 rooms at affordable weekly rates for low-income and special needs individuals and families. Its mission statement reads: “With food, clothing, shelter and a helping hand, Catholic Community Services brings hope to all people in order to build spirit and self reliance within them and within our community.”


In April, 1988, Jackson gives away free-of-charge tickets for three concerts in Atlanta, Georgia to the "Make A Wish Foundation".

On May 22, 1988, he visits the Bambino Gesù Children's Hospital in Rome, Italy, where he signs autographed pictures and delivers sweets, records and moral comfort to the ill children, among whom 13-year old heart-transplant patient, Nunzia Glaccio. Jackson signs a check for 100,000 pounds to the hospital for leukemia research. While in Rome for his Bad Tour, he also visits the Sistine Chapel, the Vatican City, Saint Peter’s Cathedral, and other significant places.
On June 19, 1988, Michael Jackson is performing a concert during Bad World Tour at the Reichstag Building in Berlin, West Germany, before an audience of 50,000 people. Over 3,000 East Germans gather at the Berlin Wall to listen to Jackson performing on the other side of the Wall in West Berlin. The entertainer decided to perform at Reichstag to send out a message of peace and unity. The Berlin Wall was a barrier constructed by the German Democratic Republic between East Berlin and West Berlin which ran just behind Reichstag, from August 13, 1961, this completely cutting off West Berlin from surrounding East Germany and from East Berlin. The barrier included guard towers placed along large concrete walls, which circumscribed the death strip that contained anti-vehicle trenches, fakir beds and other defenses. The fall of the Wall started on the evening of November 9, 1989, and was the first step toward German reunification, which was formally concluded on October 3, 1990. Michael Jackson wrote a poem dedicated to this historic episode for his 1992 book, “Dancing The Dream”, titled simply: “Berlin 1989”.

In 1988, Jackson’s signed fedora is given away on occasion of a music celebrity auction advantaging the "T.J. Martell Foundation for Leukemia, Cancer and AIDS Research", the hat being sold for over 4,000 dollars.


On July 16, 1988, he meets Prince Charles and Princess Diana of Wales before his third "Bad" concert at Wembley Stadium, London, and presents a check for 150,000 dollars/300,000 pounds for the "Prince’s Trust" (an organization addressing disadvantaged children), as well as one for 100,000 pounds for the "Great Ormond Street Children’s Hospital" in the U.K. Jackson also presents the royal couple gives with Bad Tour jackets for sons Prince William and Prince Harry; he also presents them with a framed set of cassettes and compact discs of solo albums “Off The Wall”, “Thriller” and “Bad”. “I was so excited at meeting the royal couple. I’m very very happy that they came to watch me perform. I thought the Princess was just wonderful.”, says the singer following the meeting. Originally, Jackson did not wish to perform “Dirty Diana” in order to not offend the Princess who bears the name, but she told him that is one of her favorite songs and that he should perform it, which the singer eventually does.

On July 20, 1988, he returns to meet with critically ill children and their parents at the "Great Ormond Street Children’s Hospital", where he spends longer time with the less critical patients, reserving words of comfort to them, reading them stories and delivering presents, including albums, signed photos and T-shirts. He associates himself with the "Wishing Well Fund" for sponsoring the contruction of a novel unit, as part of the "Hospital for Sick Children" in Great Ormond Street, London, England. Notably, 9-year old Neil Clark, having undergone live-saving surgery to remove a brain tumour – and originally not scheduled to see the popstar – is visited by the singer, the boy’s father declaring with gratitude that the visit "cheered my son up". 4-year-old Joanne Doeffer, having undergone a throat operation and breathing through a special tube, was visited by the star, the meet-and-greet prompting her to struggle and say "Thriller" to a delighted Jackson. In the evening, a banquet is held in his honor at the Guildhall.

In July, 1988, on occasion of a ceremony honoring the singer in England, Jackson is accompanied by 10-year old Jimmy Safechuck, a young American fan he had taken under his wing, Safechuck also appearing in one of Jackson's commercials with Pepsi. At Hamley’s in London, the world’s largest toy store, he shops with Safechuck and purchases computer games, over twenty dolls and teddy-bears, and six puppets: three Stevie Wonder ones and three of himself. He also expresses wish to purchase a carnival for the backyard of his ranch, offering 2 million dollars to John Carter’s Steam Fair; however, Carter will not prove interested in selling it, thus Jackson’s offer is declined.

On his 30th birthday in 1988, on August 29, he delivers a concert to the "Give For Life" charity in Roundhay Park, Leeds, England, where 90,000 admirers sing to him "Happy Birthday". The benefit concert’s 130,000-dollar grossings will favor immunization programs for 40,000 children. He also presents a check for 65,000 pounds to the mentioned charity-organization.
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Reply #179 posted 09/11/14 7:01pm

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Michael Jackson lends his song, “Beat It”, for use in a Flinstone Kids cartoon special encouraging children to avoid drugs. “The Flinstone Kids” airs in September, 1988. In it, little Fred, Barney, Wilma and Betty work odd jobs to earn money for tickets to a Michael Jacksonn concert. They finally make it to the concert and see Michael Jackstone singing new lyrics to “Beat It” about the unnecessary use of drugs: “They told the girl / Why don’t you step over here? / You wanna be cool, / Take a look in here. / They wanna do drugs / And their words are really clear, / So beat it! / You don’t need it! (Say no!) / You don’t need friends / Doing things that are wrong, / There’s lots of kids like you / Who are cool and strong, / It might be kinda tough, / But you can move along, / So beat it! And say it ain’t fair, /Don’t mean it! / Don’t need it! / Just say no to drugs! / Defeat it! Have a life that’s happy, / A future that’s bright, /You make it happen,/ Drugs are wrong / And you’re right./ Just beat it! / Just beat it! (Say no!) / And defeat it! / Now, Moms and Dads. / You ought to listen to me: / To be a kid today, / It ain’t easy. /Just make your home and family / A loving place to be. / So beat it! Send it riding a wave!” Sister La Toya also contributes to the special with “Just Say No” from her album, “LaToya”.


On October 23, 1988, the performer signs a check for 125,000 dollars, to Mr. Esther Edwards and Motown founder, Mr. Berry Gordy, finance sustaining the maintenance of the "Motown Museum Historical Foundation" in Detroit, Michigan, the highest amount of money donated up until that time to the museum; Jackson also donates a black fedora, one of his rhinestone gloves and a stage costume dating from 1972.

Later that year, Jackson gives permission to ITV Telethon, disseminates 4000 Michael Jackson concert tickets to the "Hospital for Sick Children" in Great Ormond Street, London, tickets valued at 200,000 pounds; the entertainer, accompanied by a number of patients, visits the institution and the children admitted therein, as well as reads a story to the less affected patients, comforts them verbally, poses for pictures and hands out dozens of presents to them.

In December, 1988, he visits 12-year-old David Rothenburg (who later will change his name into Dave Dave), doused with kerosene and severely burned 5 years before by his father during a custody conflict; the boy had suffered an estimated 50 reconstructive operations, yet, remained disfigured. Afterwards, the singer visits the injured youth more times, and pays for the necessary further operatory interventions.

On January 10, 1989, at the completion of his Bad tour, the "Children’s Wish Foundation", in association with Jackson, donate 100 tickets to critically ill children for each concert.

* During his Bad World Tour (as well as other tours of his), he is joined backstage prior to his concerts by children with illnesses from the respective local areas of his performances, with whom the entertainer would pose for pictures and sign autographs to, often, the singer spending time purchasing and assembling playthings he would personally deliver to them the following day, according to Seth Riggs, Jackson's vocal coach. Jackson invites underprivileged children to watch him perform, and contributes to hospitals, orphanages, and other charities. At every Bad Tour concert, he makes sure that 400 tickets are being reserved for underprivileged children. These tickets will be distributed across hospitals, orphanages and charities. Jackson also donates concert takings to multiple causes. He also brings out several children on stage to dance at the end of each Bad Tour concert. They are usually chosen at each stop from local hospitals or charitable organizations, such as “Make A Wish Foundation”. Then he joins in, dancing like them. While in Los Angeles, California, he also brings young Jimmy Safechuck on stage.


On February 7, 1989, Michael Jackson visits each classroom from the "Cleveland Elementary School" in Stockton, California, the parents of the children at the nearby Central United Methodist Church, as well as the children checked in the hospital, 3 weeks after a gunman had fired 100 bullets into a playground, then committing suicide. 5 children were murdered and 39 injured during the attack. The pop star arrives to comfort the surviving children by giving them the confidence to view the world more positively subsequently to the traumatic experience. 8 year-old Thahn Tran, who had lost his younger brother during the massacre, speaks about the effect Jackson’s visit had on him: "I didn’t want to go back to school, but Michael made it all right again. If he goes there, it must be safe. Michael is my friend and I’m very glad.", sharing the sentiments of other children there, according to Diane Batres, a counselor from the district support unit. In addition to making another visit to the nearby church hosting the injured ones from the attack and the parents of the dead – to whom he offers words of sympathy, signs plaster casts on the wounded youngsters’ legs, while chatting and joking to them -, he makes another stop at the "San Joaquin General Hospital", and talks to two wounded children under treatment there. 7-year-old Alice Montejano says, while raising her autographed picture: "I’m not frightened about going back to school now, because Michael will keep all of those bad men away". Afterwards, Michael Jackson says the following to the children in the mentioned hospital: "You are very brave. When you are better, perhaps you will come and visit my private zoo." Vice-Mayor of Stockton, Ron Coale, has this to declare on Jackson’s goodwill visits: "Words cannot say how much turmoil this town had been through over the past few months. Michael Jackson’s visit has helped us to try and overcome it a little."

On March 5, 1989, he invites 200 disadvantaged children from "Saint Vincent’s Home for Dysfunctional Children" and "Big Brothers and Big Sisters Programs" to visit the Circus Vargas in Santa Barbara, California, with him, after which he welcomes them to his newly constructed mansion at the time, Neverland, showing them around, as well as introducing them to his private zoological garden.

He contributes to the creation of a new California Raisin commercial which first airs in theaters in July 1989, and on TV in September, and it features a claymation of Michael Jackson. The claymation dreams of being ‘Michael Raisin’, who performs “I Heard It Through The Grapevine”, by Marvin Gaye. His singing voice isn’t used in the ad, because of his exclusive contract with Pepsi at the time, but his speaking voice can be heard at its end. The singer acts as a model for the claymation figure and contributes to the creation of six other backup raisins and their personalities. He receives 25,000 dollars for his contribution to the ads, which he donates to charity.

On November 13, 1989, Jackson performs song "You Were There" (that he wrote with Buz Kohan) for singer-entertainer Sammy Davis Jr., the first and only time, at the 'Sammy Davis Jr. 60th Anniversary TV Special', the event’s funds advantaging the "United Negro College Fund"; for the show's all-star finale, Jackson accompanies Ella Firzgerald and Eddie Murphy on stage. The reaction to Jackson's simple, yet intense performance earns him a nomination for an Emmy award. At the same date, he is reported to have hosted 50 children from "Maclaren Hall" and "Make A Wish Foundation" at his residence, while, via the "Wishes Granted" charity, 4-year-old Darian Pagan, suffering from leukemia, is granted the wish to meet the singer and is, additionally, invited to watch a performance by a group of Canadian acrobats with him.

On December 19, 1989, the entertainer visits F.A.O Schwartz toy store in Manhattan, New York to purchase Christmas gifts for himself as well as for children. He then goes to Radio City Music Hall accompanied by several children to view the 'Christmas Spectacular', an annual musical stage show, featuring over 140 performers, lavish sets and costumes and an original musical score.
On December 28, 1989, young HIV victim and activist Ryan White befriends the entertainer, and shares a holiday with him at Neverland Ranch at the singer’s invitation. Following the youth’s swift disappearance, Michael Jackson dedicates song "Gone Too Soon" (from his 1990 "Dangerous" album, composition also performed in loving memory of late Princess of Wales in 1997) and the poem: "Ryan White" (from his book, "Dancing The Dream") to him.


The 1990's:

On January 6, 1990, he organizes a festivity for 82 deprived children at his residence via "Childhelp USA", who are offered a tour of the ranch, games to play, a barbeque for meal and a film representation to watch: "The Little Mermaid" and "Back To The Future II".

On April 4, 1990, while in Washington to receive a humanitarian award on behalf of President Bush, he visits the capitol Children's Museum there; he plays with exhibits and enjoys being surrounded by children. On April 5, following his award reception, he is a guest of honor at the Children's Museum fund-raising reception at the historic Merrywood Estate, McLean.

In July, 1990, he invites 45 critically ill children from the Project "Dream Street", from Los Angeles to Neverland, where they are treated to a tour of his ranch, a meal and a film. The Dream Street program is an organization for children with life-threatening illnesses.

On August 18, 1990, he welcomes 130 children from the "YMCA" summer program in Los Angeles and Santa Barbara, treating them to a barbeque meal, video games, a free pair of footgear and the permission to visit his private zoo and watch films.

On September 12, 1990, Michael Jackson attends a ‘City Of Hope’ Gala honoring CBS' Record Division President at the time, Tommy Mottola.



In November, 1990, Michael Jackson invites British lung cancer victim, John Brown, to visit him to his Neverland Ranch in America. The 14-year old jets to Los Angeles, California with sister Michelle. The trip is arranged by “Make A Wish Foundation”. Mother of two, Michelle, has written to them when John was told there was nothing that doctors could do. On the arrangement: “It’s wonderful. This is a fantastic, kind-hearted act. John can’t believe it. Michael is his favorite pop star.”, his sister says. “It’s just in time for John. He knows he is dying and he probably has weeks left rather than months. He’s such a brave lad.”



In 1991, he organizes and hosts a "Chimpanzee Tea Party", in benefit of Jane Goodall’s ape research institute. On May 6, 1991, he also attends Mrs. Goodall’s "International Tribute Benefit".

On June 1, 1991, The Temptations' group member, David Ruffin, dies of a drug overdose. Because it has been found that Ruffin was peniniless, Jackson contacts Swanson Funeral Home in Detroit and makes arrangements to cover a large portion of the funeral costs. He also sends a heart-shaped arrangement of carnations to the New Bethel Baptist Church in Detroit with the note, "With Love, from Michael Jackson". Jackson was a big admirer of The Temptations. He would not attend the funeral ceremony to not divert attention from it.

On July 26, 1991, Jackson visits the "Community Youth Sports & Arts Foundation" in Los Angeles, California, (charity addressing drug abuse problems and approaching relief programs for families with gang members), talks to the children there, offers them financial support and a wide-screen television set. He attends the event along with child star and friend, Emmanuel Lewis.

In December, 1991, the entertainer’s company in Los Angeles, California, "MJJ Productions", donate 200 turkey dinners to a number of destitute families.

Before heading for a two-week venture in Africa, the singer pays a visit to a storage facility in Oxnard, California, where a sequined glove of his will sell for 1,000 dollars. Before the auction, he meets with four children, to whom he sings "Man In The Mirror" since one child didn't believe it was truly Jackson singing.

On February 3, 1992, he informs on the creation of "Heal The World Foundation" during a press conference at the New York Radio City Music Hall, the mission of the foundation being that to provide rescue to world-wide children; protection against abuse; caregiving; delivering medicines for children and fight world hunger, as well as to convey awareness on children’s rights and necessities, and improve world’s life standards.

Between February 11 and February 18, 1992 - and on occasion of Black History Month - the artist tours 30,000 miles of the African continent in 11 days (covering Gabon, The Ivory Coast, Tanzania, Kenya and Libreville), where he visits medical centers, schools, churches, children’s housings and educational NGO’s for disabled children. He phones his ranch daily, however, to make sure his property and animals are unaffected by the storms and floods in California at the time. He is reportedly interested in making a film, "Return To Africa", for his own video library. While in Gabon, President El Hadj Omar Bongo Ondimba, declares that “the return of Michael Jackson (to Africa) fits into the tradition of the abolition of time and the integration of space. His music made us feel that he’s never really been away”. In return for the honors received by the entertainer in Gabon, he presents President Bongo with the album Jackson was awarded when he was named ‘Artist of the Decade for the Eighties’. The President’s grandchildren, Christopher, Neata and Malika join some one thousand children, including the singer’s friend, Brett Barnes at a party given by Jackson back at the Intercontinental Hotel. He also gives an interview while in London regarding his visit and more for May's issue of "Ebony" magazine, confessing towards the end, "You know, that's the most I've said in eight years... You know I don't give interviews. That's because I know you and I trust you. You're the only one I trust to give interviews to."

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