You're going to learn that records and sales don't mean shit. I know peeps on the org are very guarded with their favorite stars records. But, the truth it someday they will be beat.

Rihanna already has as many number 1 hits as Michael Jackson and more than Whitney. Does that make her better? nope, does it matter in the long run? nope. She & Katy Perry will probably eventually get more number 1 hits than Mariah and have has many as The Beatles.

Moron 5 already has more top 10 hits then Led Zeppelin ever did. Does it matter? HELL THE FUCK NO. Plus Adam Levine is the devil (Not the illuminati devil, the white nasal devil)

Y'all argue a few times a month about stats, records, hits, popularity etc. It doesn't mean shit, it never meant shit, and it never will mean shit. Your artists personal records are probably going ot be broken! and when it happens

A. The world won't end
B. People will automatically crown them king of the music world
C. Wars won't start (Only stan wars)
D. The old stars won't give a fuck.

So, lets all take a deep breath. And i want you to all say with me... Janet and Madonnas records don't mean shit and my stanning don't mean shit psssssh breath breath homie. Now say Whitney, Ashanti, Beyonce, Prince The Beatles and their top 40 hits don't mean shit...ahh no The Beatles fan fainted! can't handle the heat

I'm here for all of you if you need therapy after this.

[Edited 2/7/14 17:11pm]

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

You'll have to get back with us in another10 - 20 years, when we can actually gauge the modern artist's record sales with the significance that makes real music LAST, throughout time!

Sales are just fancy bullshit. It doesn't matter that The Beatles or Michael had blah blah hits or sold blah. It matters that their music inspired people, that it was unique, that it had a sound and personality.

Janet and Madonna fans are annoying cause they wanna say how much they sold. Couldn't you talk about the music? what about the music inspired or inspired people? so what if Janet won 90 Billboard awards and Madge has more hits then any other female artists?

Metallica is the best selling metal band of all time. Does that make them the best? no.. but their speed, level, and loudness were somewhat ground breaking in their time. So they will always have that.

yeah Michael Jackson was more concerned with sales

than the music and it showed. sad.

this reminds me of how pissed off I was when Titanic surpassed the record of StarWars/ET/Jurassic Park

thedoorkeeper said:

yeah Michael Jackson was more concerned with sales

than the music and it showed. sad.

Ah! Shut up. Dangerous and HIStory are better albums than Thriller.

SuperSoulFighter said:

Who knows, who cares how many copies Sgt Pepper sold? Sticky Fingers? Blood on the Tracks? Then somewhere somehow everything began to revolve around numbers and everyone HAD to know that Thriller was the best selling LP ever. Good for him, but this obsession with sales figures also lead to the downfall of Mr. Jackson. [Edited 2/7/14 19:57pm]

What a load of BS. How is Thriller responsible for people falsely accusing him or him having a quack doctor that would eventually kill him??

Not that I hate MJ, I'm a big big big fan of his talent & showmanship & musicanship. But the late was very concerned about sales, in his Bad documentary, I remember that the only thing him & his team cared about was how to follow a big success like Thriller, like, sales-wise. I consider this a problem because MJ had the right to think about that when nobody cared about Off The Wall, so he learned things and brought 'em Thriller, he had every right, he was talented & amazing and little that they gave a shit... come to think about it, having a bigger look around you and planning for music videos & how you wanna make your next album the next biggest sensation all over the world is the right thing to do when you failed before... But then when you're MJ in 1985, you should start focusing on your music now that everybody knows you & is willing to buy your albums.. Never said Bad is a bad album, it's my favorite MJ album after Thriller but hey he was thinking a lot comercially around that era...

Anyway, you shouldn't care about figures & sales when you work in the studio, but when your first album sucked commercially, and your second never made it to the charts, you should start thinking about a strategy to make yourself a superstar and not stay in the shadows anymore.

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My favorite records/artists have never been in the running to amass huge sales and Im rather happy bout that.

Revolution said:

Agreed...How many grammys does Prince have? 6? 7?Some of these fools get that many in one or two years.

the Oscars still have a reasonably big amount of credit left...the Grammys are now nothing more than a parade for the Billboard darlings...

thedoorkeeper said:

yeah Michael Jackson was more concerned with sales

than the music and it showed. sad.

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I tend to agree and I don't think it's a secret to anyone post-Thriller who isn't one of Michael's more zealous fans. JK Rowling (The Harry Potter Series) says she uses Michael as an example of how not to react to a career that blows up beyond expectations.That being said he definitely had his moments ("The Way You Make Me Feel", "Man in the Mirror", "They Don't Care About Us" and for me "Stranger in Moscow") but it could've been much more had he put out more adult, sleek and sexy stuff that built on what made "Off The Wall" and "Thriller" so, for lack of a better word, thrilling.

The upbeat tracks on Dangerous were sexy as shit, we wouldn't be having this conversation had he still looked the same as Victory tour and put that out. I do think more romantic ballads in the 90's ala Off The Wall, Destiny, Thriller eras wouldn't have hurt at all, as long as we didn't have another YANA type of cheesy video, but I do love the humanitarian and emotional stuff he put out. I really believe his changing appearance may have impacted his confidence when it came to being hot on his ballads later on, but it was really nice he revisited that in the 00's, though I wish Fall Again was completed.

Back on topic, I don't think most people know or care about numbers of anyone and it's a small population if you look at the bigger picture. And those who do, have the attention span of a fly and don't care to know who did what before and are more present than orgers

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I think it's great and natural. And as much sh*t Rihanna gets from old-timers, it's clear she is already an Icon in the making. To me she and Adele already outshine a lot of 80's and 90's female supposed legends. And they are still so young they will easily continue to keep on breaking records.

Gunsnhalen said:

Madonna fans are annoying cause they wanna say how much they sold.

Madonna is constantly being talked due to her consistently being the "most successful" for touring. As an annoying Madonna fan, its a point of pride that no matter how much you try to criticize her drive she gets up again over and over. Its not the game its how you play. She plays to win.

Janet fans are sorta stuck in time.

Remember when Salieri lost all his fame to a little twat named Mozart? Tough times. Tough times

aardvark15 said: