uPtoWnNY said:

I think it's perfect someone as shady as Pebbles is now an ordained minister.

You know, as the resident Jesus Freak on the board, I completely give that a side eye...I remember seeing her speaking in tongues on one of those Christian channels praying for Whitney Houston while she was in the throes of her addiction....nothing really felt authentic to me about it in the least...

AlexdeParis said:

SoulAlive said:

funny how Pebbles and her daughter are constantly talking about the movie,trying desperately to get media attention and keep their names in the headlines But T-Boz and Chili are moving on with their lives and careers.These ladies have class.

It's funnier that you see it that way. None of their names have been in the headlines recently. T-Boz and Chili's movie stirred all this old drama back up and now the Reids are responding to it.

In a way that sort of pours cement over the grave of this whole situation. Pebb's "legacy" is now that she was a one hit wonder that abused a gold mine group that she formed. Thats why she doesn't get "headlines" because she is a nobody. An 80s compilation artist.

phunkdaddy said:

I'm not a Pebbles fan but in defense of her she's had a few hits thanks to Babyface. The thing is though none of them are very memorable and like it's been said no one is really has been checking for her since 1991.

Of course you'd say that as someone who's not a fan. Her career was relatively fleeting, but she was certainly quite popular in that time. While she was mainly a vehicle for LaFace compositions, she made her biggest crossover success without them. She has sole writing credit for "Mercedes Boy" and she co-produced it with Charlie Wilson.

Interestingly enough, she actually has one more R&B #1 hit than TLC does.

phunkdaddy said:

I'm not a Pebbles fan but in defense of her she's had a few hits thanks to Babyface. The thing is though none of them are very memorable and like it's been said no one is really has been checking for her since 1991.

After her second album,she sorta faded away.I never heard another Pebbles hit after 1990.

AlexdeParis said:

phunkdaddy said:

I'm not a Pebbles fan but in defense of her she's had a few hits thanks to Babyface. The thing is though none of them are very memorable and like it's been said no one is really has been checking for her since 1991.

Of course you'd say that as someone who's not a fan. Her career was relatively fleeting, but she was certainly quite popular in that time. While she was mainly a vehicle for LaFace compositions, she made her biggest crossover success without them. She has sole writing credit for "Mercedes Boy" and she co-produced it with Charlie Wilson.

Interestingly enough, she actually has one more R&B #1 hit than TLC does.

... REALLY??

Her first album was complete, including "Mercedes Boy", and then Babyface came in and wrote some shit right at the last second. So, Pebbles gets love over here.

Cinny said:

AlexdeParis said:

Of course you'd say that as someone who's not a fan. Her career was relatively fleeting, but she was certainly quite popular in that time. While she was mainly a vehicle for LaFace compositions, she made her biggest crossover success without them. She has sole writing credit for "Mercedes Boy" and she co-produced it with Charlie Wilson.

Interestingly enough, she actually has one more R&B #1 hit than TLC does.

... REALLY??

Her first album was complete, including "Mercedes Boy", and then Babyface came in and wrote some shit right at the last second. So, Pebbles gets love over here.

Yep.

Pebbles
1988 - Girlfriend
1988 - Mercedes Boy
1990 - Giving You the Benefit
1991 - Love Makes Things Happen

TLC
1992 - Baby-Baby-Baby
1995 - Creep
1999 - No Scrubs

^^^^ Waterfalls & Unpretty were #1 also

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SoulAlive said:

phunkdaddy said:

I'm not a Pebbles fan but in defense of her she's had a few hits thanks to Babyface. The thing is though none of them are very memorable and like it's been said no one is really has been checking for her since 1991.

After her second album,she sorta faded away.I never heard another Pebbles hit after 1990.

The Always hits ran well into 1991. "Are You Ready" was a minor hit in 1995, but that was it. However, her third album was critically acclaimed. It was completely slept on, but it's a pretty good album. Pebbles was never known for her voice, but the jazzy feel and arrangements really suited her. There's even a cover of "I Can't Help It" on there.

getxxxx said:

^^^^ Waterfalls was #1 also

Nope, not R&B. Stalled at #4 behind "One More Chance," "Don't Take It Personal," and "Boombastic." "Waterfalls" cemented TLC as a crossover act and every subsequent major single performed better on the Hot 100 than the R&B charts.

AlexdeParis said:

phunkdaddy said:

I'm not a Pebbles fan but in defense of her she's had a few hits thanks to Babyface. The thing is though none of them are very memorable and like it's been said no one is really has been checking for her since 1991.

Of course you'd say that as someone who's not a fan. Her career was relatively fleeting, but she was certainly quite popular in that time. While she was mainly a vehicle for LaFace compositions, she made her biggest crossover success without them. She has sole writing credit for "Mercedes Boy" and she co-produced it with Charlie Wilson.

Interestingly enough, she actually has one more R&B #1 hit than TLC does.

Oddly enough though songs can go number one and people don't even notice

or care. I would say Giving You The Benefit is one of those songs. Jeffrey Osborne

had a number 1 hit with She's On The Left in 1988. How many people remember

or even care about that song and it wasn't a bad song but it wouldn't even be on

the radar of most Jeffrey Osborne fans.

AlexdeParis said:

getxxxx said:

^^^^ Waterfalls was #1 also

Nope, not R&B. Stalled at #4 behind "One More Chance," "Don't Take It Personal," and "Boombastic." "Waterfalls" cemented TLC as a crossover act and every subsequent major single performed better on the Hot 100 than the R&B charts.

Waterfalls and Unpretty were both number 1 hits. Baby Baby Baby stalled at number 2.

So actually TLC had 4 number 1 hits too.

What's with all these official announcements?

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phunkdaddy said:

AlexdeParis said:

Of course you'd say that as someone who's not a fan. Her career was relatively fleeting, but she was certainly quite popular in that time. While she was mainly a vehicle for LaFace compositions, she made her biggest crossover success without them. She has sole writing credit for "Mercedes Boy" and she co-produced it with Charlie Wilson.

Interestingly enough, she actually has one more R&B #1 hit than TLC does.

Oddly enough though songs can go number one and people don't even notice

or care. I would say Giving You The Benefit is one of those songs. Jeffrey Osborne

had a number 1 hit with She's On The Left in 1988. How many people remember

or even care about that song and it wasn't a bad song but it wouldn't even be on

the radar of most Jeffrey Osborne fans.

"Giving You The Benefit" is a very weak song.It sounds like LA and Babyface threw that one together really quickly They were on autopilot when they came up with that one.Pebbles is only remembered for two songs: "Girlfriend" and "Mercedes Boy".

Shard said:

What's with all these official announcements?

exactly Every few days,she releases a new "official announcement".She is really trying to keep her name in the news.She's using this "scandal" as a way to generate publicity and media attention.

phunkdaddy said:

AlexdeParis said:

Of course you'd say that as someone who's not a fan. Her career was relatively fleeting, but she was certainly quite popular in that time. While she was mainly a vehicle for LaFace compositions, she made her biggest crossover success without them. She has sole writing credit for "Mercedes Boy" and she co-produced it with Charlie Wilson.

Interestingly enough, she actually has one more R&B #1 hit than TLC does.

Oddly enough though songs can go number one and people don't even notice

or care. I would say Giving You The Benefit is one of those songs. Jeffrey Osborne

had a number 1 hit with She's On The Left in 1988. How many people remember

or even care about that song and it wasn't a bad song but it wouldn't even be on

the radar of most Jeffrey Osborne fans.

Now you're just being ridiculous. Obviously someone noticed and cared, it was the #1 R&B song in the country (both radio and sales IIRC). Now "remembered" is something different, but then you're talking about anecdotal evidence. Not many songs from that period are popular now. So what? I personally remember it vividly.

FTR, I love "She's on the Left," I knew it hit #1, and I still remember like it was yesterday. But feel free to continue speaking for all his fans and music fans in general.

phunkdaddy said:

AlexdeParis said:

Nope, not R&B. Stalled at #4 behind "One More Chance," "Don't Take It Personal," and "Boombastic." "Waterfalls" cemented TLC as a crossover act and every subsequent major single performed better on the Hot 100 than the R&B charts.

Waterfalls and Unpretty were both number 1 hits. Baby Baby Baby stalled at number 2.

So actually TLC had 4 number 1 hits too.

Again, you're talking about the Hot 100, not the R&B chart. The group's R&B chart-toppers are the 3 I listed earlier: "Baby-Baby-Baby," "Creep," and "No Scrubs."

SoulAlive said:

phunkdaddy said:

Oddly enough though songs can go number one and people don't even notice

or care. I would say Giving You The Benefit is one of those songs. Jeffrey Osborne

had a number 1 hit with She's On The Left in 1988. How many people remember

or even care about that song and it wasn't a bad song but it wouldn't even be on

the radar of most Jeffrey Osborne fans.

"Giving You The Benefit" is a very weak song.It sounds like LA and Babyface threw that one together really quickly They were on autopilot when they came up with that one.

Maybe to you, but there are only 4 Babyface songs I like more than "Giving You the Benefit." ("Girlfriend" is one of them.) It's the very opposite of weak to me; I'd say it has a toughness LaFace was usually unable to tap into outside of "Don't Be Cruel." The kind of industrial feel, the great backing vocals by After 7...love, love, love that song! The "I could be a trip but I choose not to" part is particularly stunning.

AlexdeParis said:

AlexdeParis said:

phunkdaddy said:

Waterfalls and Unpretty were both number 1 hits. Baby Baby Baby stalled at number 2.

So actually TLC had 4 number 1 hits too.

Again, you're talking about the Hot 100, not the R&B chart. The group's R&B chart-toppers are the 3 I listed earlier: "Baby-Baby-Baby," "Creep," and "No Scrubs."

I assumed "Waterfalls" would have tied them.

AlexdeParis said:

phunkdaddy said:

Waterfalls and Unpretty were both number 1 hits. Baby Baby Baby stalled at number 2.

So actually TLC had 4 number 1 hits too.

Again, you're talking about the Hot 100, not the R&B chart. The group's R&B chart-toppers are the 3 I listed earlier: "Baby-Baby-Baby," "Creep," and "No Scrubs."

Well at first I didn't notice you listed r&b hits which prove my earlier point that you're

all in for Pebbles. To me a number 1 hit is a number one hit regardless of which charts

it hit number one on. Pebbles and TLC is really not even a fair comparison. TLC wins this

debate hands down in terms of the music and popularity and the scandal.

phunkdaddy said:

AlexdeParis said:

Now you're just being ridiculous. Obviously someone noticed and cared, it was the #1 R&B song in the country (both radio and sales IIRC). Now "remembered" is something different, but then you're talking about anecdotal evidence. Not many songs from that period are popular now. So what? I personally remember it vividly.

FTR, I love "She's on the Left," I knew it hit #1, and I still remember like it was yesterday. But feel free to continue speaking for all his fans and music fans in general.

Well we agree to disagree and i can see you all in for Pebbles so its becoming a useless debate. Im not speaking for all Jeffrey Osborne fans im just stating the obvious particularly since i saw him a few years ago and he didn't even perform that song nor were the fans i talked to there were checking for it.

If we couldn't argue opinions the internet would be a lot less useful (or fun). I have no problem disagreeing; I just have an issue where opinions being treated as facts. As for Jeffrey Osbourne, "She's on the Left" is outside the vein of most of his work, so it's understandable that he wouldn't perform it. "My Ding-a-Ling" was Chuck Berry's only Hot 100 #1, but it's never been a staple in his live act (for good reason). OTOH, I'm sure there are plenty of people who count those songs as their favorites from the respective artists. To assume otherwise based on personal taste and limited anecdotal evidence is a little arrogant.

phunkdaddy said:

AlexdeParis said:

Again, you're talking about the Hot 100, not the R&B chart. The group's R&B chart-toppers are the 3 I listed earlier: "Baby-Baby-Baby," "Creep," and "No Scrubs."

Well at first I didn't notice you listed r&b hits which prove my earlier point that you're

all in for Pebbles. To me a number 1 hit is a number one hit regardless of which charts

it hit number one on. Pebbles and TLC is really not even a fair comparison. TLC wins this

debate hands down in terms of the music and popularity and the scandal.

...and none of those opinions change the fact that Pebbles has more #1 R&B hits than TLC does. Surprising, sure enough, but a fact nonetheless.

[Edited 11/12/13 14:50pm]

AlexdeParis said:

phunkdaddy said:

Well at first I didn't notice you listed r&b hits which prove my earlier point that you're

all in for Pebbles. To me a number 1 hit is a number one hit regardless of which charts

it hit number one on. Pebbles and TLC is really not even a fair comparison. TLC wins this

debate hands down in terms of the music and popularity and the scandal.

...and none of those opinions change the fact that Pebbles has more #1 R&B hits than TLC does. Surprising, sure enough, but a fact nonetheless.

[Edited 11/12/13 14:50pm]

Yeah but you conveniently fail to acknowledge the fact that TLC had more success period. No matter whether they had a number 1 hit on the Hot 100, country charts, hip hop,etc. They also had some hits that narrowly missed number 1 peaking at number 2 not to mention top ten singles.

phunkdaddy said:

AlexdeParis said:

...and none of those opinions change the fact that Pebbles has more #1 R&B hits than TLC does. Surprising, sure enough, but a fact nonetheless.

Yeah but you conveniently fail to acknowledge the fact that TLC had more success period. No matter whether they had a number 1 hit on the Hot 100, country charts, hip hop,etc. They also had some hits that narrowly missed number 1 peaking at number 2 not to mention top ten singles.

yeah,TLC were definitely more successful than Pebbles.They also crossed over in a big way.Most people only remember Pebbles for "Girlfriend",yet those same people could easily name several TLC hits.

AlexdeParis said:

SoulAlive said:

"Giving You The Benefit" is a very weak song.It sounds like LA and Babyface threw that one together really quickly They were on autopilot when they came up with that one.

Maybe to you, but there are only 4 Babyface songs I like more than "Giving You the Benefit." ("Girlfriend" is one of them.) It's the very opposite of weak to me; I'd say it has a toughness LaFace was usually unable to tap into outside of "Don't Be Cruel." The kind of industrial feel, the great backing vocals by After 7...love, love, love that song! The "I could be a trip but I choose not to" part is particularly stunning.

it's interesting that,Pebbles was married to one of the hottest producers in the music biz (LA Reid) and yet,that wasn't enough to sustain her own solo career.You'd think that she would have demanded that her husband give some of those amazing songs to her...lol...artists like Karyn White and Toni Braxton were getting material that was far superior.

phunkdaddy said:

AlexdeParis said:

...and none of those opinions change the fact that Pebbles has more #1 R&B hits than TLC does. Surprising, sure enough, but a fact nonetheless.

[Edited 11/12/13 14:50pm]

Yeah but you conveniently fail to acknowledge the fact that TLC had more success period. No matter whether they had a number 1 hit on the Hot 100, country charts, hip hop,etc. They also had some hits that narrowly missed number 1 peaking at number 2 not to mention top ten singles.

I didn't "conveniently fail to acknowledge" anything. Is there anybody who didn't know that TLC was a more successful act? They sold way more records, had way more crossover/mainstream success, and had a much longer sustained period of success (and work in general). All of that was probably known by everyone in this thread. I just mentioned an interesting fact that most people didn't know — which is obvious because several of you tried to argue it.

SoulAlive said:

AlexdeParis said:

Maybe to you, but there are only 4 Babyface songs I like more than "Giving You the Benefit." ("Girlfriend" is one of them.) It's the very opposite of weak to me; I'd say it has a toughness LaFace was usually unable to tap into outside of "Don't Be Cruel." The kind of industrial feel, the great backing vocals by After 7...love, love, love that song! The "I could be a trip but I choose not to" part is particularly stunning.

it's interesting that,Pebbles was married to one of the hottest producers in the music biz (LA Reid) and yet,that wasn't enough to sustain her own solo career.You'd think that she would have demanded that her husband give some of those amazing songs to her...lol...artists like Karyn White and Toni Braxton were getting material that was far superior.

Here we go again...

1. AFAIC, Pebbles did get their best material. I like Karyn White just fine, but I'd definitely take Pebbles's LaFace songs over hers any day of the week. For instance, "Love Makes Things Happen" is a much better duet with Face than "Love Saw It" to my ears and I think "Girlfriend" is at least a billion times better than "The Way You Love Me."

2. The rise of Toni Braxton was most likely coinciding with the breakup of the Reid marriage. Besides, many of those songs were written for Anita Baker.

SoulAlive said:

yeah,TLC were definitely more successful than Pebbles.They also crossed over in a big way.Most people only remember Pebbles for "Girlfriend",yet those same people could easily name several TLC hits.

And now we're back to random anecdotal evidence. So you're positive that most people only remember Pebbles for "Girlfriend" despite "Mercedes Boy" being her biggest pop hit? Did you take a poll?

[Edited 11/13/13 3:33am]

Are you really gonna argue that 'cute' little songs like "Girlfriend" and "Mercedes Boy" are more substantial than stuff like "Superwoman" and "Love Saw It"?

AlexdeParis said:

1. AFAIC, Pebbles did get their best material. I like Karyn White just fine, but I'd definitely take Pebbles's LaFace songs over hers any day of the week. For instance, "Love Makes Things Happen" is a much better duet with Face than "Love Saw It" to my ears and I think "Girlfriend" is at least a billion times better than "The Way You Love Me."

[Edited 11/13/13 8:47am]