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why madonna isnt as rich as she claims

http://music.yahoo.com/blogs/stop-the-presses/why-madonna-isn-t-forbes-billionaires-list-234920594.html

FORBES released its annual Billionaires issue earlier this month, and the list features plenty of new faces (Tory Burch, Renzo Rosso) alongside the usual suspects (Bill Gates, Warren Buffett).

There are plenty of entertainment moguls on the list (David Geffen, Oprah Winfrey), but there aren’t any billionaires who’ve gained their wealth by working as a musician or actor. Not Diddy or Jay-Z, not Brad Pitt or Angelina Jolie—and not Madonna.

Yet earlier this week, the blogosphere exploded with declarations that the Material Girl had ascended to billionaire status. Most of the stories erroneously cited a WWD story as the source of this revelation (representatives from the publication confirm that no such piece exists), probably because of a New York Post item that initially linked to WWD before shifting its attribution to another site.

There’s a reason Madonna isn’t on our Billionaires list: simply put, she’s not a billionaire.

We estimated the singer’s net worth at $325 million six years ago. Since then, our wealth team has chronicled the scads of cash she’s earned via our Celeb 100 list, and while she’s earned a ton of money, the numbers don’t add up to anything near $1 billion. She earned $72 million in 2007, $40 million in 2008, $110 million in 2009 and $58 million in 2010. With no touring or new albums in 2011, she didn’t earn enough to make our list that year, then pulled in another $30 million through the first half of 2012.

Add it all up (plus whatever she earned in 2011–let’s call it $10 million) and you get $320 million. Lop off 35% for federal income taxes ($112 million), another 10% for state and local taxes ($32 million) and 20% for management, legal and agency fees ($64 million). That leaves $112 million before figuring in any expenses for housing, staff, travel or luxury goods.

What about that big concert tour? Most of the recent reports have mentioned Madonna’s past 12 months as the reason for her ascent into the financial pantheon, citing sales of her MDNA album and a world tour that grossed just over $300 million. They mention perfume sales of $60 million, tour merchandise sales of $75 million, and other branding deals that add up to $30 million.

But the difference between gross ticket sales, gross earnings and net earnings is ignored. Artists typically take home about one-third of gross ticket sales on the road–in Madonna’s case, that means $300 million becomes $100 million.

To gross $75 million in merchandise sales, she would have had to average sales of $34 per head on her tour (or about $10 more than Justin Bieber). And that’s just the gross number. For most artists, we project net earnings of $5 per head for merch; Bieber’s take tops the charts at about $10, according to his touring team. Let’s give Madonna the benefit of the doubt and say that she also nets $10 per head–over the course of a tour that drew 2.2 million fans, that would have added up to $22 million in take-home pay.

Madonna’s record deal guarantees her a base advance of $1 million per album, but MDNA hasn’t likely earned much more than that. It’s been certified gold in the U.S. for sales of over 500,000, and it seems likely the album has sold at least as many copies abroad. Still, that’s only a little more than a million copies sold, resulting in just a few million dollars in her coffers–about the same amount that most A-list entertainers net from perfume deals, regardless of heady gross sales.

But let’s be overly generous. Let’s say Madonna earned $200 million over the past year. Take away 65% for taxes and management fees, as we did before. That leaves $70 million. Combine that with the $112 million left over from 2007 through the first half of 2012, and you get $182 million. So even if Madonna had saved every single penny she’d earned since 2007–no travel costs, no living cost, no splurges–she’d be worth about $500 million.

Is it possible that she has other assets that have increased in value and therefore wouldn’t be figured into our annual earnings estimates? Sure. Her real estate holdings, art collection and stakes in other business ventures could have increased. But keep in mind that 2007 was the peak of a long bull market; assets that lost value during the recession are only now returning to those highs.

Madonna’s representatives wouldn’t respond to FORBES’ requests for comment on this story, as it seems was the case with all the stories about her net worth published over the past week. And this isn’t the first time FORBES has weighed in on inflated claims about the singer’s billionaire status–staff writer Clare O’Connor debunked one set back in 2010.

Madonna is a cultural icon, and undoubtedly one of the most successful entertainers of all time. She may well reach the billion-dollar mark one day. But as of now, at best, she’s only about halfway there.

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Reply #1 posted 03/29/13 8:16am

LightOfArt

I dont understand why Forbes felt the need to explain why she is not in the list.

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Reply #2 posted 03/29/13 8:54am

purple05

Because there was a report earlier this week saying she was a billionaire which was full of lies
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Reply #3 posted 03/29/13 9:03am

robertlove

lol another post about Madonna by asq....the obsession goes on

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Reply #4 posted 03/29/13 10:10am

lowkey

who really thought she was a billionaire? i think sometimes people forget that just because a tour or album,ect earns x amount of money the artists are not banking all of that money,they are usually the last to get paid.

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Reply #5 posted 03/29/13 10:34am

bobzilla77

Damn that sucks!

We should hold a benefit for her.

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Reply #6 posted 03/29/13 11:22am

hjd

You can rest assured that Madonna is never paying 65% in taxes and management fees. 12% is closer to reality, I would say. Assuming she uses the usual offshore and royalties tax constructions all mayor stars use. Why else do you think the Rolling Stones have an office in Amsterdam?

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Reply #7 posted 03/29/13 11:26am

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robertlove said:

lol another post about Madonna by asq....the obsession goes on

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https://youtu.be/CVwv9LZMah0
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Reply #8 posted 03/29/13 11:54am

Timmy84

robertlove said:

lol another post about Madonna by asq....the obsession goes on

Pretty much. lol

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Reply #9 posted 03/29/13 11:55am

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hjd said:

You can rest assured that Madonna is never paying 65% in taxes and management fees. 12% is closer to reality, I would say. Assuming she uses the usual offshore and royalties tax constructions all mayor stars use. Why else do you think the Rolling Stones have an office in Amsterdam?

my best friend works in the celeb hair/makeup artists industry, and the agency he owns works with her a lot, and has since the early 90s.

she's notoriously frugal, and extremely smart with money. she demands quality work for decent (but not generous) money.

between investments, the numerous properties she owns, and her extremely valuable art collection (which includes originals by kahlo, picasso, dali, warhol, basquiat, and haring among many others), she's worth much more than the 180 million the article guesses at.

i doubt she is a billionaire, but this article severely underreports a lot of her worth.

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Reply #10 posted 03/29/13 12:02pm

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her art collection alone was valued as being over 120 million, and that was back in 2009. she's bought several pieces since.

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Reply #11 posted 03/29/13 12:14pm

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I thought it was illegal now for US citizens to have off shore accounts to hide their money, we wouldn't know how much she could have hid since 82 till now but rest assured she is not destitute. I'd love to see this deep of an analysis done on this site's namesake just to shut people the fuck up about how much he has or doesn't have.

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Reply #12 posted 03/29/13 1:28pm

hjd

UncleGrandpa said:

I thought it was illegal now for US citizens to have off shore accounts to hide their money, we wouldn't know how much she could have hid since 82 till now but rest assured she is not destitute. I'd love to see this deep of an analysis done on this site's namesake just to shut people the fuck up about how much he has or doesn't have.

It's illegal for citizens, but not companies (Starbucks is one of the big tax evaders). It's no problem for artists to set up companies that exploit, say, their image rights. These companies are in tax friendly countries like the Netherlands, Luxembourg, Monaco, the UK (yes, the UK is a tax haven, unless you reside there). The profits end up in the Bahama's, Cayman Islands etc. The really bad thing is: artists just take note of what multinationals do. If multinationals paid tax where they make profit, Africa wouldn't be poor. Conservative estimates show that multinationals dodge African taxes for a yearly amount about 4 times the total aid given by western governments to Africa.

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Reply #13 posted 03/29/13 2:22pm

Emancipation89

Anyone who believes Madonna's actually worth a billion I assume also believes Prince is net worth is $250 million. Even Madonna herself said in an interview that magazines such as Forbes just guestimates. What a joke.

With that said though there's no question Madonna's worth more than any other female musician on this planet, and I freaking LOVE her for that. Not a huge fan of her music but I do love her ambition, work ethic, marketing strategies and everything else that made her filthy rich. I know I can never hate her because of this lol wink

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Reply #14 posted 03/29/13 2:35pm

Gunsnhalen

In other news Paula Dean took a mean poop today after eating too much butter.

And China is full of asians.

More on these breaking stories later...

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Reply #15 posted 03/29/13 2:53pm

blacklotus

sorry... not nice

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Reply #16 posted 03/29/13 3:00pm

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Gunsnhalen said:

In other news Paula Dean took a mean poop today after eating too much butter.

And China is full of asians.

More on these breaking stories later...

lol

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Reply #17 posted 03/29/13 5:29pm

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"Music gives a soul to the universe, wings to the mind, flight to the imagination and life to everything." --Plato

https://youtu.be/CVwv9LZMah0
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Reply #18 posted 03/29/13 5:56pm

Timmy84

Gunsnhalen said:

In other news Paula Dean took a mean poop today after eating too much butter.

And China is full of asians.

More on these breaking stories later...

lol

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