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Thread started 12/14/12 4:21pm

fred12

MOTOWN!!! Did Berry Gordy really screw some people?

I'm one of the biggest fans or maybe the #1 fan of Hitsville USA...i admire Mr. Gordy so much because of what he brought to the world of not just soul music, American Music...but it saddens me to hear about what really went on behind closed doors..i understand that motown was like a family, your good days tnen bad days..but when you hear stories about Florence Ballard, Martha Reeves, Shorty Long, Marvin gaye, The funk Brothers, The Isley Brothers(whom people forgot were on the label for a little), and Gladys Knight(who was already big time and even bigger when she left)...

Was it Berry Gordy himself or was it the Motown Machine?

Reply #1 posted 12/14/12 4:25pm

Timmy84

Mixture of the Motown powers-that-be, themselves (to some degree), the industry in general and the hangers-on. I used to think it but I don't think BG held any puppet strings over the acts that got any type of shaft after the glory years. It's debatable about what really happened with the ownership of who let the Marvelettes' name be taken by some shark.

Reply #2 posted 12/14/12 4:38pm

MickyDolenz

I don't see Motown as different than any other label. They focused on more on certain acts and less on others. Motown also gave out the same rip off contracts like other labels. Even later on they wouldn't let Teena Marie out of her contract, but wouldn't release her music. She had to sue.

It's called show business for a reason. It’s 90% business and 10% show. If you don’t know your business…you’re in trouble! ~ Johnnie Taylor / Basically, music is nothing but prostitution anyway and managers are the pimps ~ Millie Jackson
Reply #3 posted 12/14/12 4:39pm

Timmy84

Yeah, the Brockert Law Initiative. I wonder why history fails to mention that...

Reply #4 posted 12/14/12 5:13pm

fred12

u know its just crazy too hear about what had happen to mary Wells, Eddie Kendricks, david Ruffin, The Marvelettes,....i heard one time that when an artist wanted something, they had to go to Motown first...they just couldnt go down to the bank and get it themselves....but in my opinion artists like Stevie Wonder, Smokey, diana, and The Jackson 5, didnt have that problem,well it just looked that way

Reply #5 posted 12/14/12 5:15pm

Timmy84

fred12 said:

u know its just crazy too hear about what had happen to mary Wells, Eddie Kendricks, david Ruffin, The Marvelettes,....i heard one time that when an artist wanted something, they had to go to Motown first...they just couldnt go down to the bank and get it themselves....but in my opinion artists like Stevie Wonder, Smokey, diana, and The Jackson 5, didnt have that problem,well it just looked that way

Scepter Records was the same way... Stevie had Lula Mae (his mother), Diana was too strong-willed, the Jacksons had Papa Joe of course (though financially they signed the wrong contract).

Reply #6 posted 12/14/12 5:15pm

HuMpThAnG

Well, Smoke couldn't see no wrong in Berry, since they were & still is, good friends.

Reply #7 posted 12/14/12 5:16pm

Timmy84

HuMpThAnG said:

Well, Smoke couldn't see no wrong in Berry, since they were & still is, good friends.

Smoke and Berry were like brothers, still are. Berry tried to help Smoke during his crack period.

Reply #8 posted 12/14/12 5:32pm

HuMpThAnG

Timmy84 said:

HuMpThAnG said:

Well, Smoke couldn't see no wrong in Berry, since they were & still is, good friends.

Smoke and Berry were like brothers, still are. Berry tried to help Smoke during his crack period.

nod

I have NEVER heard him say anything negative about Berry...NEVER!!

He'll defend that mug to the grave lol

Reply #9 posted 12/14/12 5:33pm

Timmy84

HuMpThAnG said:

Timmy84 said:

Smoke and Berry were like brothers, still are. Berry tried to help Smoke during his crack period.

nod

I have NEVER heard him say anything negative about Berry...NEVER!!

He'll defend that mug to the grave lol

Right! lol

Reply #10 posted 12/14/12 5:38pm

MickyDolenz

fred12 said:

u know its just crazy too hear about what had happen to mary Wells, Eddie Kendricks, david Ruffin, The Marvelettes,....i heard one time that when an artist wanted something, they had to go to Motown first...they just couldnt go down to the bank and get it themselves....but in my opinion artists like Stevie Wonder, Smokey, diana, and The Jackson 5, didnt have that problem,well it just looked that way

Motown was also the manager of the acts, which is not a situation that was a benefit to the performers. They wouldn't tell them what they sold (and didn't report sales to the RIAA), or tell them they had sold less than they did to avoid paying a lot of royalties (which was a common industry practice, especially with independent labels). They told the acts what to say in interviews and what kinds of questions not to answer.

It's called show business for a reason. It’s 90% business and 10% show. If you don’t know your business…you’re in trouble! ~ Johnnie Taylor / Basically, music is nothing but prostitution anyway and managers are the pimps ~ Millie Jackson
Reply #11 posted 12/14/12 6:53pm

Cinny

Timmy84 said: Berry tried to help Smoke during his crack period.

I had to re-read that one shocked

Reply #12 posted 12/14/12 7:16pm

HuMpThAnG

Cinny said:

Timmy84 said: Berry tried to help Smoke during his crack period.

I had to re-read that one shocked

nod yup, mug was a junkie

Reply #13 posted 12/14/12 7:34pm

Terrib3Towel

Who WASN'T on the stuff at some point in time. lol

Reply #14 posted 12/14/12 7:38pm

Timmy84

Cinny said:

Timmy84 said: Berry tried to help Smoke during his crack period.

I had to re-read that one shocked

He called it "rock cocaine" but it's essentially another name for crack cocaine. He smoked it in his cigarettes. nod

Reply #15 posted 12/14/12 8:32pm

LittleBLUECorvette

They did to some degree, who who didn't.

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Reply #16 posted 12/14/12 8:58pm

Timmy84

The one Motown junkie that surprised me was Mary Wells... sad

Reply #17 posted 12/14/12 11:09pm

brooksie

Yes, he did.....but the more I learn about Motown, the more I think bad decisions/inexperience drove much of what hapened than sheer foul play. IOW, I think he actively did some folks wrong (think the Funk Brothers, Flo, and so forth) and others he mismanaged/neglected because he either misread the market OR was pursuing movies/tv when he should have focused on his main bread and butter...music. To my mind, Berry missed tons of opportunities when he tried to play Ingmar Bergman. lol cool Everytime his focus went to movies, the music side of the company suffered and declined. So much fab talent and ptential talent wasted, IMHO. By the time he sold Motown in 1988, it was a shell of what it had been even a few years before (say Motown 25). confused eek

Indies like Motown seem to fall apart for the same basic reasons...they're good at starting a trend, but have a hard time maintaining their edge once the product goes mass market. What made them appealing in the 1st place seems to get lost in the sauce. That Berry and Motown held on for 30 years (the years he owned it) is quite remarkable considering what happened to similar contemprary labels like Stax/Chess/Vee Jay and even Ruthless/Death Row/Bad Boy/Murder Inc/No Limit/etc in more recent times.

Funny thing about BG is that in some ways, he seems as embittered and bewilered by what happened as any of the atists that passed thru his care. Sad when you think of it, IMHO.

Reply #18 posted 12/14/12 11:30pm

brooksie

One of Motown/Berry's worst faults was it's way of encouraging all sorts of conflicts-of-interests for it's (potential) stars. When you look at how acts were managed it's like eek . You had his daughter and son-in-law managing acts signed to the label as well as relatives of his right hand woman (Suzanne de Passe) and the like. Let's not even talk abot JoBeTe and Stone Mountain acting for royalites and publishing. lol It's amazing that even Smokey and Stevie walked away w/ any bread, let alone Rick James (which would have never happened when Berry was 100% on the ball).

Where Motown/Berry delibrately did people wrong was on screwing them out of their publishing via many sneaky route AND giving folks hell when they tried to leave the label. To he wasn't always successful w/ this tatic, when he was it was devestating! In this regard, I think of Berry as something of a sadist. He'd rather destroy people he'd built up rather than see them prosper elsewhere sad See Flo, Mary Wells, HDH, etc for proof.

Reply #19 posted 12/15/12 1:26am

Timmy84

I think where Berry screwed up was thinking he could turn Motown into an empire. He betted a lot on making Motown bigger than the music and his decisions didn't really help (leaving Detroit for Los Angeles, though it could be argued Detroit was going through a rough patch during this time so Berry felt staying there was not safe anymore post-12th Street Riots, for example). He was also a notorious gambler and that led to his company going into the red. Berry had to sell his company in order to keep his riches and not file for bankruptcy, though it could be argued his sale of it ($61 million) was too low.

[Edited 12/15/12 1:26am]

Reply #20 posted 12/15/12 1:32am

Timmy84

brooksie said:

One of Motown/Berry's worst faults was it's way of encouraging all sorts of conflicts-of-interests for it's (potential) stars. When you look at how acts were managed it's like eek . You had his daughter and son-in-law managing acts signed to the label as well as relatives of his right hand woman (Suzanne de Passe) and the like. Let's not even talk abot JoBeTe and Stone Mountain acting for royalites and publishing. lol It's amazing that even Smokey and Stevie walked away w/ any bread, let alone Rick James (which would have never happened when Berry was 100% on the ball).

Where Motown/Berry delibrately did people wrong was on screwing them out of their publishing via many sneaky route AND giving folks hell when they tried to leave the label. To he wasn't always successful w/ this tatic, when he was it was devestating! In this regard, I think of Berry as something of a sadist. He'd rather destroy people he'd built up rather than see them prosper elsewhere sad See Flo, Mary Wells, HDH, etc for proof.

Marvin said he felt Motown was always watching his every move. He also felt he didn't have the business savvy of Stevie Wonder and he was so used to being "loyal" (i.e., belonging to the Gordy family) that even when he did fight it, he still had mixed emotions on how to go along with it. That was the same hang up with Diana Ross. When Diana left, not only did she had to give up any right to royalties after she left Motown in 1980 but she was left cash broke ($150,000, which was only $11,000 more than the $139,000-plus that got Florence Ballard free from the Supremes). Nowadays, if you ask Diana about a "Motown family", she would say the family "doesn't exist anymore" and that she doesn't feel no family ties despite still talking to Smoke (and occasionally Berry and Mary Wilson).

[Edited 12/15/12 1:32am]

Reply #21 posted 12/15/12 4:40am

brooksie

Timmy84 said:

I think where Berry screwed up was thinking he could turn Motown into an empire. He betted a lot on making Motown bigger than the music and his decisions didn't really help (leaving Detroit for Los Angeles, though it could be argued Detroit was going through a rough patch during this time so Berry felt staying there was not safe anymore post-12th Street Riots, for example). He was also a notorious gambler and that led to his company going into the red. Berry had to sell his company in order to keep his riches and not file for bankruptcy, though it could be argued his sale of it ($61 million) was too low.

[Edited 12/15/12 1:26am]

I'm always baffled in Motown specials when they talk about his going to "conquer" movies/tv out in LA..if anything, they conquered him. lol It amazes me about how naive Berry was on that score, esp. given the

racial climate of that time. As for Detroit, it always was a hard town and I can understand them eventually leaving, but he did it way too soon and for reasons he clearly didn't fully consider (ie movies/tv). The fact that Motown lasted for 20+ years after being pulled from it's natural habitat is quite the miracle, if ya feel me. I ind it supremely ironic that a group originally from Detroit (ie the De Barges) had to go to LA to get a deal w Motown! lol

I suspect $61 mil was way too low for Motown even in the late 80s (consider MJ spent in the neighborhood of $40-50 mil just for the Beatles cat only a few years before), but I also suspect Berry was just tired of the whole thing by the mid 80s. I've always said that Motown=Berry and Berry=Motown, so when he couldn't deal anymore Motown as it was had to just become another brand. I think he couldn't cope w/ the changing times, marketing, and artists demands. It's a shame that nothing much came from Jermaine's remaining behind because I wonder if he could have kept the juice flowing. He seemed a promising record exec.

Diana was very lucky that she got when the gettin' was good. She was too big for Berry to just sandbag and blackball like he'd done others, but she's one of the few (along w/ the Jacksons, The Pips, Marvin, and a few more) who managed to pull this sort of 'second act' off.

Reply #22 posted 12/15/12 7:05am

mjscarousal

LittleBLUECorvette said:

They did to some degree, who who didn't.

Yea pretty much

Stand, you`ve been sitting much too long, there`s a permanent crease in your right or wrong.~Sly Stone
Reply #23 posted 12/15/12 9:53am

Timmy84

brooksie said:

Timmy84 said:

I think where Berry screwed up was thinking he could turn Motown into an empire. He betted a lot on making Motown bigger than the music and his decisions didn't really help (leaving Detroit for Los Angeles, though it could be argued Detroit was going through a rough patch during this time so Berry felt staying there was not safe anymore post-12th Street Riots, for example). He was also a notorious gambler and that led to his company going into the red. Berry had to sell his company in order to keep his riches and not file for bankruptcy, though it could be argued his sale of it ($61 million) was too low.

[Edited 12/15/12 1:26am]

I'm always baffled in Motown specials when they talk about his going to "conquer" movies/tv out in LA..if anything, they conquered him. lol It amazes me about how naive Berry was on that score, esp. given the

racial climate of that time. As for Detroit, it always was a hard town and I can understand them eventually leaving, but he did it way too soon and for reasons he clearly didn't fully consider (ie movies/tv). The fact that Motown lasted for 20+ years after being pulled from it's natural habitat is quite the miracle, if ya feel me. I ind it supremely ironic that a group originally from Detroit (ie the De Barges) had to go to LA to get a deal w Motown! lol

I suspect $61 mil was way too low for Motown even in the late 80s (consider MJ spent in the neighborhood of $40-50 mil just for the Beatles cat only a few years before), but I also suspect Berry was just tired of the whole thing by the mid 80s. I've always said that Motown=Berry and Berry=Motown, so when he couldn't deal anymore Motown as it was had to just become another brand. I think he couldn't cope w/ the changing times, marketing, and artists demands. It's a shame that nothing much came from Jermaine's remaining behind because I wonder if he could have kept the juice flowing. He seemed a promising record exec.

Diana was very lucky that she got when the gettin' was good. She was too big for Berry to just sandbag and blackball like he'd done others, but she's one of the few (along w/ the Jacksons, The Pips, Marvin, and a few more) who managed to pull this sort of 'second act' off.

nod to all of that. Berry didn't seem real hands-on with the music anymore after 1972, it shows...

Reply #24 posted 12/16/12 4:34pm

HuMpThAnG

brooksie said:

Timmy84 said:

I think where Berry screwed up was thinking he could turn Motown into an empire. He betted a lot on making Motown bigger than the music and his decisions didn't really help (leaving Detroit for Los Angeles, though it could be argued Detroit was going through a rough patch during this time so Berry felt staying there was not safe anymore post-12th Street Riots, for example). He was also a notorious gambler and that led to his company going into the red. Berry had to sell his company in order to keep his riches and not file for bankruptcy, though it could be argued his sale of it ($61 million) was too low.

Diana was very lucky that she got when the gettin' was good. She was too big for Berry to just sandbag and blackball like he'd done others, but she's one of the few (along w/ the Jacksons, The Pips, Marvin, and a few more) who managed to pull this sort of 'second act' off.

Well, she did have a baby by him lol

Reply #25 posted 12/16/12 4:37pm

Timmy84

HuMpThAnG said:

brooksie said:

Diana was very lucky that she got when the gettin' was good. She was too big for Berry to just sandbag and blackball like he'd done others, but she's one of the few (along w/ the Jacksons, The Pips, Marvin, and a few more) who managed to pull this sort of 'second act' off.

Well, she did have a baby by him lol

That don't mean shit. Berry didn't acknowledge her for 13 years...lol I read when Diana and her husband at the time attended Jermaine Jackson's wedding, Berry said some shit about Hazel being the only daughter he had. Diana and her husband left the ceremony after that.

[Edited 12/16/12 17:48pm]

Reply #26 posted 12/16/12 4:38pm

HuMpThAnG

Timmy84 said:

HuMpThAnG said:

Well, she did have a baby by him lol

That don't mean shit. Berry didn't acknowledge her for 13 years...lol I read when Diana and her husband at the time attended Jermaine Jackson's wedding, Berry said some shit about Hazel being the only daughter she had. Diana and her husband left the ceremony after that.

ummm...didn't know that

Reply #27 posted 12/16/12 5:48pm

Timmy84

HuMpThAnG said:

Timmy84 said:

That don't mean shit. Berry didn't acknowledge her for 13 years...lol I read when Diana and her husband at the time attended Jermaine Jackson's wedding, Berry said some shit about Hazel being the only daughter she had. Diana and her husband left the ceremony after that.

ummm...didn't know that

Diana wanted to marry him too but Berry pretty much dismissed that idea. It's said Diana's marriage to Robert Ellis was a business arrangement (though Diana must've felt for him - they had two of Diana's younger daughters).

Reply #28 posted 12/16/12 6:07pm

HuMpThAnG

Timmy84 said:

HuMpThAnG said:

ummm...didn't know that

Diana wanted to marry him too but Berry pretty much dismissed that idea. It's said Diana's marriage to Robert Ellis was a business arrangement (though Diana must've felt for him - they had two of Diana's younger daughters).

yeah, think she did that outta spite

Reply #29 posted 12/16/12 6:27pm

Timmy84

HuMpThAnG said:

Timmy84 said:

Diana wanted to marry him too but Berry pretty much dismissed that idea. It's said Diana's marriage to Robert Ellis was a business arrangement (though Diana must've felt for him - they had two of Diana's younger daughters).

yeah, think she did that outta spite

Of course. Robert was payback for Berry. Of course Berry didn't see nothing as a sign. In fact it wasn't until Diana was about to leave Motown that Berry had second thoughts but once Diana made up her mind, she couldn't be told to change it back. After making that decision, she discovered all the things that she thought was hers (gifts from Berry) were actually Berry's possessions that she had to return to him. That's why she took in real estate, production and used the RCA $20 million deal to her advantage.

Reply #30 posted 12/16/12 7:13pm

allsmutaside

Timmy84 said:

HuMpThAnG said:

Well, she did have a baby by him lol

That don't mean shit. Berry didn't acknowledge her for 13 years...lol I read when Diana and her husband at the time attended Jermaine Jackson's wedding, Berry said some shit about Hazel being the only daughter he had. Diana and her husband left the ceremony after that.

[Edited 12/16/12 17:48pm]

It may take him a while, but BG comes around. I think Tee said that it was thirteen years between seeing him and his showing up backstage after one of her shows. Time had healed all wounds.

Happy man right here. We all deserve a shot at redemption.

Reply #31 posted 12/16/12 7:31pm

Timmy84

^ Oh he made up for it. Now he's real proud of Rhonda. And of course whatever bad feelings Diana had about Berry after leaving him in 1980 dimmed after a while too.

Reply #32 posted 12/17/12 3:29am

brooksie

The whole Diana and Berry thing was so weird that it kinda defies logic! lol On one hand you have this guy who was both Diana's long term lover and ultimately her babydaddy, but this didn't stop him from ripping her off for years. In her case, I think it was more motivated by paternalism than sheer greed. On the other hand, you have a guy who's extremely passionate about his bio family and would have never let Rhonda (or Diana, for that matter) go w/o a certain lifestyle. It was if Berry couldn't choose between his Detroit hustler instincts and his family uber alles inclinations here. That said, Berry seemed to genuinely love Diana while he was robbing her blind...crazy, right?! lol

The Bob Silberstein thing was just too odd. From what I can make out, he started of as something of a beard to hide Diana's OOW pregnancy by Berry....but of course Rhonda is clearly NOT Bob's! wink It's hard for me to believe that Berry wasn't involved in cooking up that hairbrained scheme somehow. Even tho Bob and Diana ultimately had 2 kids together, Berry was all up in their story from beginning to end. I think she finally shook Berry's meddling when she moved to RCA.

That would have made it extremely diffcult for him to come forward and publicly claim Rhonda cuz Diana was married to someone else during most of the years before she turned 13. cool

One thing I think I can say here is that even if he'd tried to hinder her career like he did other when they left Motown, he wouldn't have done it even if he could have. By 1980, I don't think he had the juice to pull it off like he did in the Mary Wells/ Flo Ballard days and Diana was far too big of a star anyway, hence RCA's huge offer.

[Edited 12/17/12 3:32am]

Reply #33 posted 12/17/12 3:34am

brooksie

Timmy84 said:

^ Oh he made up for it. Now he's real proud of Rhonda. And of course whatever bad feelings Diana had about Berry after leaving him in 1980 dimmed after a while too.

Whatever his faults, he always seems to try to do right by his blood kin. He might have been a hot mess to their mothers (and Marvin Gaye wink ), but he seems like he values family above all.

Reply #34 posted 12/17/12 3:36am

brooksie

Timmy speaking of MG, have you ever heard that story about him having Marvin III by an underage Gordy family member from whom he and Anna later adopted the kid? If so, what do you think of this story?

Reply #35 posted 12/17/12 3:55am

Timmy84

brooksie said:

Timmy speaking of MG, have you ever heard that story about him having Marvin III by an underage Gordy family member from whom he and Anna later adopted the kid? If so, what do you think of this story?

Marvin was sexually impotent for most of his life so I doubt he took a part in it. Denise Gordy only confirmed that she mothered MG III. But III looks too much like Denise Gordy. Got nothing of Marvin in him whatsoever.

Compare III to Nona and Frank Gaye (the latter his two with Janis Gaye) and tell me if you think the same man who looked like he spit Nona and Frank out of his semen would do the same for a Gordy-looking boy as MG III. I blame the biographers (like Steve Turner, Ben Edmonds and Michael Eric Dyson) for indicating Marvin may have took part in it with no real proof of it. Point blank, III is not as much of Marvin's biological child as he wasn't Anna's. Denise Gordy basically had another boy father her son. Janis was Marvin's Priscilla though Janis was only a year from 18 (not 16 as Marvin and others suggested). It's a miracle Marvin was still able to produce Nona and Frank at all because of his sexual fears.

[Edited 12/17/12 4:02am]

Reply #36 posted 12/17/12 7:46am

kitbradley

MickyDolenz said:

I don't see Motown as different than any other label. They focused on more on certain acts and less on others. Motown also gave out the same rip off contracts like other labels. Even later on they wouldn't let Teena Marie out of her contract, but wouldn't release her music. She had to sue.

I was watching Teena's Unsung episode the other week. She said she didn't blame Berry for how Motown screwed her over. She said she and Berry were still actually very close long after she left the label.

"It's not nice to fuck with K.B.! All you haters will see!" - Kitbradley
Reply #37 posted 12/17/12 10:29am

allsmutaside

kitbradley said:

MickyDolenz said:

I don't see Motown as different than any other label. They focused on more on certain acts and less on others. Motown also gave out the same rip off contracts like other labels. Even later on they wouldn't let Teena Marie out of her contract, but wouldn't release her music. She had to sue.

I was watching Teena's Unsung episode the other week. She said she didn't blame Berry for how Motown screwed her over. She said she and Berry were still actually very close long after she left the label.

I'm pretty sure there wasn't a real Lady Tee album to release at the time. After the incredible body of work that she put out at Motown, releasing the collection of demos and random songs availalbe to Motown would have been an unprofitable disgrace to all parties. I think Tee was really looking to get out of the contract and away from some of the people at Motown who weren't giving her the proper respect she deserved as as the top female act on the label. And yeah, there was the financial aspect. But she only had a year left on the contract - why not put one more record out and then sign a more resonable contract, or move on? Why not earn big money from performing live for a year and then look at the contract situation again? There was the principle of the matter. And, I think, our beloved Rick was working her ear and trying to convince her to walk out the door of Motown. I think that not only was he too much for her in some of his wild ways, she was too much for him in the strength of her backbone. He "tought me the game" (TM); and with that insight she was a bit of a threat to his ability to dictate in his world without being questioned. And particularly when you are partying at his level you don't want to be bothered with someone placing you in check, at any level, on a regular basis.

Here's a cute shot of Teena's "brush with the law." She's getting ticketed for jaywalking.

http://www.angelfire.com/la2/dytimages/images/teephotoofthemonth.jpg

[Edited 12/17/12 10:37am]

Reply #38 posted 12/19/12 12:46pm

outsideofthebox

if you watch the Marvin Gaye celebrity crime files episode, that touches on some of what happened and what went down between Gordy and Marvin Gaye. I know because I had it recorded on cable.

http://tvone.tv/shows/cel...isode.html

fred12 said:

I'm one of the biggest fans or maybe the #1 fan of Hitsville USA...i admire Mr. Gordy so much because of what he brought to the world of not just soul music, American Music...but it saddens me to hear about what really went on behind closed doors..i understand that motown was like a family, your good days tnen bad days..but when you hear stories about Florence Ballard, Martha Reeves, Shorty Long, Marvin gaye, The funk Brothers, The Isley Brothers(whom people forgot were on the label for a little), and Gladys Knight(who was already big time and even bigger when she left)...

Was it Berry Gordy himself or was it the Motown Machine?

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