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Favorite Jazz albums hi guys, im really getting into jazz lately listening to some classsic miles davis and john coltrane.. what are some of your guys favorite jazz albums. | |
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We kinda already got a thread going here.
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oh, im sorry. lol, could you send a link please. | |
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Ben webster meets oscar peterson is one of my fav non john coltrane / miles albums | |
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http://prince.org/msg/8/383747
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There's a different request in that other jazz thread, Cynic.
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Playing "Point Of Departure" always clears the room pretty effectively at work.
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He can definitely be an acquired taste for some; he's more of a cerebral player/composer than like a Red Garland or Ahmad Jamal...or even Bill Evans in some cases. | |
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I think it's really Dolphy's playing that is too much for some on that record.
I love Dolphy though. | |
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Miles Davis had some choice words about him during that blindfold test interview | |
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We need namepeace and tA up in here. Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
μηδὲν ὅλως σὺ λυποῦ πρὸς ὀλίγον ἐστὶ τὸ ζῆν τὸ τέλος ὁ χρόνος ἀπαιτεῖ.” | |
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I think his late-60s / early-70s output was far more influenced by Dolphy than he would ever admit. He basically took the musicians that had already worked with Dolphy under his own wings as well.
I tried to do a list of favourites but it just kept growing | |
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Davis never played "out." At least I don't think so. I always thought his approach to a solo was more about what he left out and "feeling" as opposed to Coltrane and Dolphy trying to fit every got damn note in Western and Eastern music into a 132 bar solo.
And I think that's why he may have disliked Dolphy; 'though I never heard/read about his disdain for him. | |
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A thought just came to me...
How do you guys (who are willing to join in this discussion) like Dolphy as a leader? I think I prefer him as a sideman. | |
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Some albums from a favorite artist.
1949...
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Music for adventurous listeners
"Ya see, we're not interested in what you know...but what you are willing to learn. C'mon y'all." | |
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http://www.forghieri.net/...vis_3.html
He spared no one in that test though. | |
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It's easiest for me to start with the albums of female musicians and "girl singers" I love most...
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I'm slightly impressed with myself. I've got all of these except "We Want Miles" and "Live at Montreaux." Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
μηδὲν ὅλως σὺ λυποῦ πρὸς ὀλίγον ἐστὶ τὸ ζῆν τὸ τέλος ὁ χρόνος ἀπαιτεῖ.” | |
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Dolphy and Coltrane really did try to fit a lot of stuff into their solos. I can understand the criticism.
I love that performance though.
Miles might have played fewer notes, but I don't think he and his band mates were strangers to dissonance or completely disregarding the harmonic foundation at times. When he started using the wah wah pedal himself he certainly wasn't playing "nice" anymore. I think that, in general, the trumpet just isn't suited to as chromatic approach as the saxophone is.
Miles had very negative feelings about "free" initially, but he just started incorporating more and more elements from it - even from Ornette Coleman - as the years passed by. His younger band mates at the time must have had something to do with that. I find some of the stuff released by his 60s quintet - especially "Nefertiti" - to sound a lot like Dolphy's stuff.
I love Dolphy myself and he's one of my all-time faves. He just didn't do that many albums as a band leader during his lifetime (I think six?). "Out To Lunch" is usually regarded as the masterpiece, but I like the live "At the Five Spot" records the most myself. | |
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I would have to say just about anything with Betty Carter "So fierce U look 2night, the brightest star pales 2 Ur sex..." | |
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... [Edited 7/7/12 5:32am] " I've got six things on my mind --you're no longer one of them." - Paddy McAloon, Prefab Sprout | |
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This reminded me of the discussion between Coltrane and Miles in the late 50's after Trane rejoined Miles' group. Coltrane confessed that he had so many ideas, and that he couldn't stop playing...Miles looked at him a moment, and then replied , "Try taking the damn horn out of your mouth...."
Is the discussion documented online somewhere? | |
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Seems like Sketches of Spain gets more love for its unique sound, but I think this is my favorite of the Gil Evans albums. My Legacy
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Just goes to show you, you might think having John Coltrane in your band is a dream come true, but it must have come with its own set of problems. My Legacy
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ahhh yess | |
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Not sure if the whole discussion is, although I've seen the quote often online. I know Miles himself mentioned the exchange in one of his 1980's TV interviews, though I can't remember which one...
.... " I've got six things on my mind --you're no longer one of them." - Paddy McAloon, Prefab Sprout | |
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Miles being Miles.
Not shocked by what he said but thanks fer posting that link. | |
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I never thought about the trumpet's chromatic capabilities as being less suited than a sax-o-ma-phone's. Nice insight. And that may be why Dolphy's sound can be grating?....a trumpet's inherent tonal qualities don't make chromaticisms "sound" good?
Anyways, I didn't really enjoy this performance; and I think it was because of the mix. I want to hear the base's anchoring and the drums were too loud for my taste. But yeah, Coltrane threw every Slonimsky jewel he had into his playing. Sometimes I dig it, sometimes I don't. I've been listening to a lot of Mozart and yeah, now is the time I ain't diggin' it...besides, the Panera next to my crib plays jazz all the time and the first thing I thought when I hit play on the video was "Let's see...I'ma get a greek salad, creamy tomato soup and my wife'll probably want the Italian combo, chips on the side...."
It's nice to see someone really into Dolphy. I like his approach to music, but I don't necessarily like the results. Towards his death, the only persons who under- stood what Coltrane was speaking musically was Coltrane and God: that shit is impenetrable, similar to the mysteries I attribute to God, but that's another forum... | |
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I love this weird, strange, intoxicating, quirky, genius mutherfucker. You had to have a really good grounding in theory and a superb ear to play with him. At the 3:08 mark ---> g.e.n.i.u.s.
Rouse did a great job, too.
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wow! thanks guys, i have got a lot of listening to do! cant wait! | |
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