Really dissapointed in Aretha. Her legs are hurting but she can play another show hours later the same day? Ree, if you're listenin, you have shit backwards. Sipped Dionne even threw in a slick 'oh....whatever.'

Timmy84 said:

AlexdeParis said:

Timmy84 said:

A Whitney fan shows a sign that paraphrases from Whitney's breakthrough 1985 hit, "You Give Good Love", which was Houston's first number-one Billboard hit on the R&B charts and a top three pop crossover hit:

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I actually think that's a reference to "All the Man That I Need": He fills me up, He gives me love, More love than I'll ever need

Ooh you are right!

babybugz said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

80's superstar icons left now.

Including George Michael.

And Bobby Brown, ironically...and Annie Lennox, Boy George, Bon Jovi, and...

Adisa said:

babybugz said:

Including George Michael.

And Bobby Brown, ironically...and Annie Lennox, Boy George, Bon Jovi, and...

Their not selling out stadiums as single artist. Prince & Madonna both still are doing that "alone". Plus still considered icons. George Michaels is close but iffy. Plus he does not qualify as superbowl ready. Let's keep this about the beautiful Whitney......

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Adisa said:

And Bobby Brown, ironically...and Annie Lennox, Boy George, Bon Jovi, and...

Their not selling out stadiums as single artist. Prince & Madonna both still are doing that "alone". Plus still considered icons. George Michaels is close but iffy. Plus he does not qualify as superbowl ready. Let's keep this about the beautiful Whitney......

You said 80s superstar icons, and all those I mentioned qualify. And Janet...but I get what you are saying and it's not even pertinent to the discussion. My bad for the t-jacking.

Adisa said:

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

Their not selling out stadiums as single artist. Prince & Madonna both still are doing that "alone". Plus still considered icons. George Michaels is close but iffy. Plus he does not qualify as superbowl ready. Let's keep this about the beautiful Whitney......

You said 80s superstar icons, and all those I mentioned qualify. And Janet...but I get what you are saying and it's not even pertinent to the discussion. My bad for the t-jacking.

WaterInYourBath said:

All this pity for that retard Bobby Brown is incredible to me.

No one ever seems to realize that Whitney's family loathes him for a very lucid reason. Instead, he's absurdly labeled the "victim" here, for years before this tragedy, and even the day of the doggone funeral itself.....

Bobby Brown brought his kids. Whitney's step-kids who were more family to Whitney than the celebrities there. Funerals are not where you settle family scores.

Aretha feted Whitney last night at the concert

http://www.youtube.com/wa...wXCj4dudNg

Sometimes people grieve in different ways.

musicjunky318 said:

Really dissapointed in Aretha. Her legs are hurting but she can play another show hours later the same day? Ree, if you're listenin, you have shit backwards. Sipped Dionne even threw in a slick 'oh....whatever.'

Timmy84 said:

debbiedean2 said:

When did they show Hoe Ass J, oops I mean Ray J

I don't know but there's a YouTube video of him falling over the coffin. I don't know if he fainted or nothing (I read the video title that said "Ray J falling out at Whitney's funeral"). He was at the casket.

That was either before the funeral began or Friday at the viewing. Didn't happen during the service and at the end of the service they removed the casket without incident.

RnBAmbassador said:

Aretha Franklin according to her statement via her publicist and her message to Al Roker had every intention of going to the funeral, but after getting in very late from the meet and greet after her sell-out show at Radio City Music Hall, she woke up at 4AM and realized she had muscle spasms in her leg and thought it best to stay off of it as much as possible today to prepare for show tonight. Franklin would have to have gone to Newark, NJ from her hotel in Manhattan at about 10:30AM, then be back in Manhattan by 3:00PM, the funeral was nearly 4 hours - it was a dicey situation. I understand. Ditto for Babyface who wanted to be there, but he has a concert tonight in nothern California and even with a private jet flight of 5 hours to Newark airport and 5 hours back, he would've been pressed, not considering jet lag. Aretha is not a spring chicken and with her recent life-threatening surgery, we treasure she is still with us. I am sure she and Cissy have spoken. I additionally wouldn't be surprised if she goes to the cemetery to pay homage as she leaves The Big Apple to head back to Detroit via her tour bus.

HatrinaHaterwitz said:

Aretha Franklin is 69 years old and not in the best of health herself. She was close to Whitney and her family, so I know this had to be an especially trying time for her. She's also contractually obligated to perform at whatever concerts she had booked before Whitney's passing. She said, she wanted to be at the funeral and sing but she couldn't because she needs her rest, to keep her moving on.

That's good enough for me and for anyone that doesn't like it...that's just too motherfucking bad! Because they'll be the same ones talking more stupid shit, if Aretha had shown up, turned the church out as only SHE could, still went to her show tonight and Heaven forbid, something tragic happened to her tomorrow.

For all those talking reckless about Aretha Franklin and what SHE should have done, it is my honor to say on her behalf!

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[Edited 2/18/12 16:53pm]

If I recall correctly, Whitney is to be interred (put in the ground) today (Sunday).

So maybe Aretha will be with the family then.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

SUPRMAN said:

Timmy84 said:

I don't know but there's a YouTube video of him falling over the coffin. I don't know if he fainted or nothing (I read the video title that said "Ray J falling out at Whitney's funeral"). He was at the casket.

That was either before the funeral began or Friday at the viewing. Didn't happen during the service and at the end of the service they removed the casket without incident.

Interesting. In the video where Whitney's casket was carrying, he looked like he was gonna faint again when he saw that casket again. Did you hear her mother when the casket was lifted? "My baby!" My heart goes out mainly to Cissy and Bobbi.

KCOOLMUZIQ said:

WaterInYourBath said:

All this pity for that retard Bobby Brown is incredible to me.

No one ever seems to realize that Whitney's family loathes him for a very lucid reason. Instead, he's absurdly labeled the "victim" here, for years before this tragedy, and even the day of the doggone funeral itself.....

Bobby Brown brought his kids. Whitney's step-kids who were more family to Whitney than the celebrities there. Funerals are not where you settle family scores.

When did that change?

Thought it was great that the family held the service in their church, and not at some arena. With the video feed, countless fans and well-wishers had virtual access, which was a nice allowance on the part of the family.

The service itself was quite moving, and I echo many of the sentiments felt here, and:

(1) I thought it was in poor taste for the Winans family to turn this into Winans Promotional Hour

(2) You could tell that Kevin Costner's remarks were heartfelt; he cared.

(3) Clive Davis was all business, just like he was with the partying the evening of 11 February.

(4) I'm glad there were no solos by young, talented singers from the church; see #3 above.

(5) There might have been more room to seat Bobby Brown and Whitney's step-children if there were 10 less members of the Winans family there. They clearly didn't abide by the +2 protocol.

(6) A sizeable contingent of the Drinkard and Houston families don't care much for Patricia Houston (the sister-in-law-turned-manager), who's power hungry and eager to cash in. The way she stroked Clive Davis' ego yesterday was no doubt an attempt to endear herself and ensure personal relevance and cashflow

(7) Stevie was awesome; very touching

(8) Kim Burrell's lyrical change to "A Change is Gonna Come" was a sermon and a powerful, necessary message.

Aretha Franklin did have a Cissy Houston problem as told in her book FROM THESE ROOTS. Franklin took issue with both Cissy and Gladys Knight for saying in their books that Aretha's mother had abanonded the family. In later years post the book, Franklin and Houston mended their ways as Cissy sang background for her again on some shows on the east coast (Wolf Trap concert to be exact), including doing the high soprano swoops he did on the studio version of "Ain't No Way". In November, 2011 Cissy Houston was one of the singers that feted Aretha for the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame series at the Playhouse Theatre in Cleveland. For those that think they didn't speak, Cissy personally asked Aretha to sing at Nippy's funeral. They spoke on the phone after Aretha saw the ticker tape on the tv screem that Whitney Houston was dead.

The young girl Whitney used to accomapny her mother to the studio and always said she wanted to be like Aretha Franklin. She was obviously influenced by the woman she called, "Aunt Ree". Be official godmother or Clive Davis machine hyped godmother, there was a relationship. Divaism can cause females to be a bit 'bitchey' and this led to the duo not doing a video for "It Isn't It Wasn't, It Ain't Never Gonna Be". Same thing would happen years later with Mary J. Blige on "Don't Waste My Time".

It is what it is. Dionne Warwick and Aretha have always maintained a good rapport and so have Aretha and Nancy Wilson and Chaka Khan, other than that, she is not to female buddy-buddy. The day anyone can ever figure out all things Aretha Franklin, they will probably feel akin to having hit the Mega Millions.
She admired the talents of Nippy and she has feted her in concert 3 times since her death - so I guess we can leave it at that!

RnBAmbassador said:

Aretha feted Whitney last night at the concert

http://www.youtube.com/wa...wXCj4dudNg

Sometimes people grieve in different ways.

musicjunky318 said:

Really dissapointed in Aretha. Her legs are hurting but she can play another show hours later the same day? Ree, if you're listenin, you have shit backwards. Sipped Dionne even threw in a slick 'oh....whatever.'

SUPRMAN said:

Timmy84 said:

I don't know but there's a YouTube video of him falling over the coffin. I don't know if he fainted or nothing (I read the video title that said "Ray J falling out at Whitney's funeral"). He was at the casket.

That was either before the funeral began or Friday at the viewing. Didn't happen during the service and at the end of the service they removed the casket without incident.

It happened when her body was being carried out.

MaddMaxx said:

Thought it was great that the family held the service in their church, and not at some arena. With the video feed, countless fans and well-wishers had virtual access, which was a nice allowance on the part of the family.

The service itself was quite moving, and I echo many of the sentiments felt here, and:

(5) There might have been more room to seat Bobby Brown and Whitney's step-children if there were 10 less members of the Winans family there. They clearly didn't abide by the +2 protocol.

And how exactly would you know that? BeBe, CeCe, and Marvin were all in the program. If each one had 2 guests, that's 9 before you count anyone else.

ummm

PurpleCharm said:

SUPRMAN said:

That was either before the funeral began or Friday at the viewing. Didn't happen during the service and at the end of the service they removed the casket without incident.

It happened when her body was being carried out.

ummm

AlexdeParis said:

MaddMaxx said:

Thought it was great that the family held the service in their church, and not at some arena. With the video feed, countless fans and well-wishers had virtual access, which was a nice allowance on the part of the family.

The service itself was quite moving, and I echo many of the sentiments felt here, and:

(5) There might have been more room to seat Bobby Brown and Whitney's step-children if there were 10 less members of the Winans family there. They clearly didn't abide by the +2 protocol.

And how exactly would you know that? BeBe, CeCe, and Marvin were all in the program. If each one had 2 guests, that's 9 before you count anyone else.

According to the lovely and talented Alicia Quarles (AP global entertainment editor), there were 26 members of the Winans family in attendance.

HuMpThAnG said:

PurpleCharm said:

It happened when her body was being carried out.

ummm

???

AlexdeParis said:

MaddMaxx said:

Thought it was great that the family held the service in their church, and not at some arena. With the video feed, countless fans and well-wishers had virtual access, which was a nice allowance on the part of the family.

The service itself was quite moving, and I echo many of the sentiments felt here, and:

(5) There might have been more room to seat Bobby Brown and Whitney's step-children if there were 10 less members of the Winans family there. They clearly didn't abide by the +2 protocol.

And how exactly would you know that? BeBe, CeCe, and Marvin were all in the program. If each one had 2 guests, that's 9 before you count anyone else.

i stated more or less the same thing in the other thread. each of those people probably did abide by the 'plus two'; moreover, i'm guessing they didn't show up with six additional people on top of the two people they could bring.

i understand that bobby's kids wanted to be at their stepmom's funeral; however, it wasn't their father's call, and he should have respected his mother in law's wishes.

PurpleCharm said:

HuMpThAnG said:

ummm

???

He just reached over and touched the casket.

Not a 'scene.'

Hardly noticed.

HuMpThAnG said:

PurpleCharm said:

It happened when her body was being carried out.

ummm

Apparently, if the story is correct, on the day Whitney died, Ray J had ignored her texts or something because he was promoting one of his new shows or something. Once word got out that Whitney had died, he stopped everything he was doing and rushed over to her hotel room (there's pictures of him grieving at the scene) but of course police rebuffed him from entering. Some said Ray J. has since felt guilty for ignoring Whitney for the last two days. Last time Ray was around Whitney was at that nightclub on Feb. 9th. So maybe that explains why he lost it so to speak at the funeral.

SUPRMAN said:

Chancellor said:

babybugz said:

I was waiting for them to get off..half of the stuff he was preaching about had nothing to do with whitney.

Then you missed the message. Whitney LOVED the Lord and was NEVER-ever ashamed to speak his name on & off stage. Whitney battled her Demons through out her career but she never stopped praising God and her friends, Family and Fans witnessed that.

Marvin's "message" had EVERYTHING to do with Whitney and how she lived her life and what she showed people....

Marvin wasnt suppose to spend 30-min repeating what we already heard for the last 2hrs...His job was to BRING it all together at the end and Preach a lesson about "Life"...Trust me, Whitney would have approved of the sermon...

You need to remember to open yourself up and "listen" to the message instead of shutting down because you're not hearing a person's name every 2-second...Listen to the "message"....It's a life-lesson...

Oh no I didn't miss anything I was waiting for him to get off like I said earlier. I respect everyone views but not all of what he was talking about but this is not a religious thread so I won't say anymore on it.

[Edited 2/19/12 13:48pm]

I'm sitting here reading some of this bullshit on this site and it has taken every iota of humility in speech away from me as a Christian. Some of these comments about this woman's memorial service and her loved ones who took part are ridiculous, point blank.

People in here passing judgement on the Winans, who took part in memorializing their friend, need to get off their case. How dare you cast aspersions on those people in their time of grief? When your kid or best friend or relative dies, then you go plan their damn funeral the way you like it and leave other people alone.

SO WHAT, they sang the girl into heaven and took their time? Ain't 'chall neva been to a Pentecostal church (which is the denomination the Winans family belong to)? We're lucky that funeral didn't go on with singing and praising and breaking out in tongues til Midnight.

When it's all said and done what it boils down to is: THAT'S THEIR FRIEND, not OURS. people kill me skating in here via keyboard and arm chair judging about who is supposed to do what at somebody else's damn funeral that they don't even know from Adam.

Newsflash : That shit is tacky, played out, and disrespectful to the dead. .

If anybody feels that strongly about honoring Whitney Houston, then damn, write a condolence card, send a donation to one of her charities or to a charity in her name. But let it rest with all this coulda woulda shoulda shpiel because the fact is you don't know any better than anyone that was there- what Whitney Houston would've wanted or expected from her friends & loved ones during a time like this. I don't know and neither do you.

All I do know is that when it's my time to go, I want the people who mean the most to me in good times and bad to pray over my body, ask for mercy and grace from the Savior, and damn skippy , sing me into glory for as long as it takes... and to hell with what anybody from the outside looking in says about it. Praise and worship need not know a time limit, especially from those I don't even know personally who 1) likely don't even know Christ (and when i say know I mean KNOW, as in active relationship with Him one-on-one and through His Word), and 2) people who don't even know me.

I love this board and I dig so many of you here, but it's threads like these that disappoint me and show me how ugly and petty people can be, and for what? It's a damned shame that this is what a person's memorial thread has come to. Not honoring the memory of the person who passed on at all except for the respectful few. Beyond that it's fast becoming layer upon layer of fuckery that does nothing but make the stomach turn

Damn shame.

A lot of Whitney's fans don't care for Patricia Houston. I can remember back when "I Look to You" came out and Whitney was doing a phone interview with Tom Joyner. They asked her if she was going to tour and Whitney said no, she didn't want to but they are trying to get her to. You could hear Pat Houston yelling in the background "yes, yes she's going to tour". All she was thinking about was money. Whitney did not want to tour, she knew the risk, she didn't even want to come back really, she knew what the industry was about. Oh and for the record, Forbes magazine has said that Whitney was not broke and extremely wealthy. Now why couldn't they defend her while she was alive when the story broke a few weeks ago.

jsluva said:

A lot of Whitney's fans don't care for Patricia Houston. I can remember back when "I Look to You" came out and Whitney was doing a phone interview with Tom Joyner. They asked her if she was going to tour and Whitney said no, she didn't want to but they are trying to get her to. You could hear Pat Houston yelling in the background "yes, yes she's going to tour". All she was thinking about was money. Whitney did not want to tour, she knew the risk, she didn't even want to come back really, she knew what the industry was about. Oh and for the record, Forbes magazine has said that Whitney was not broke and extremely wealthy. Now why couldn't they defend her while she was alive when the story broke a few weeks ago.

Something about Pat rubs me the wrong way.