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Reply #150 posted 02/12/12 8:55am

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Im sorry but the finger is everywhere in all media forms and in everyday life. You see the bird on a daily basis unless you live in a cave. Its nothing anymore. People just want to act like they are offended cause their bored.

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Reply #151 posted 02/12/12 10:34am

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purplethunder3121 said:

mancabdriver said:

Don’t you think it’s a little demeaning for Nicki and MIA that they were basically Madonna’s backup dancers? But then again I would find it very hard to turn down an opportunity as big as that.

I think its Madonna’s bitchy way of keeping control and centre of attention like she did when she performed with Xtina and Britney.

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Uh, that's like sticking the finger to herself... She didn't have to do the half-time show... Her choice.

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MIA also didn't have to appear on a Madonna track with a (Illuminati-driven) Nicki Minaj neither. MIA choose to compromise her own status as a socially-conscience artist in exchange to increase her time limit within the mainstream pop culture. And then on top of that, she throws up the finger as if she was trying to tell her long time fans from her underground-level days that she hasn't sold-out 100% and that she was still "hood".

Well too late for that. MIA should have thought of that before she compromised on her own musical principles. rolleyes

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Reply #152 posted 02/12/12 10:54am

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Timmy84 said:

The Super Bowl technically isn't family friendly at all. You're letting your kid see someone get their ass torn up by someone throwing themselves at you like a bowling ball.

The commercials for SuperBowl Sunday are not family friendly neither. Remember the infamous Mike Ditka commercial concerning erectile disfunction?!? disbelief The same people that were piss at Janet & Justin for their halftime show performance almost didn't say jackshit about Mike Ditka at all.

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Reply #153 posted 02/12/12 11:03am

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TonyVanDam said:

purplethunder3121 said:

Uh, that's like sticking the finger to herself... She didn't have to do the half-time show... Her choice.

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MIA also didn't have to appear on a Madonna track with a (Illuminati-driven) Nicki Minaj neither. MIA choose to compromise her own status as a socially-conscience artist in exchange to increase her time limit within the mainstream pop culture. And then on top of that, she throws up the finger as if she was trying to tell her long time fans from her underground-level days that she hasn't sold-out 100% and that she was still "hood".

Well too late for that. MIA should have thought of that before she compromised on her own musical principles. rolleyes

Didn't you promise us all at the end of 2011 that you were going to fuck off?

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Reply #154 posted 02/12/12 11:06am

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BlaqueKnight said:

BlaqueKnight said:

Nobody bothered to pay close attention.

Go back and pull up her lyrics to this and then go back and watch the video. It is TOTALLY in line with the lyrics.

Again...if you listen to the lyrics and look at WHEN she gives the bird...

The lyrics are

"I'mma say this once"

"I don't give a sh*t" (flips the bird on "sh*t")

It fits.

If parents can let their children watch that kind of violence, they can let their children see a middle finger.

There is nothing to pontificate on.

The faux outrage in this country is growing to ridiculous proportions.

And lets face it, Madonna has been way more over-the-top than M.I.A.

That bitch ain't not saint...although she has dressed up as one before. biggrin

Madonna has also dressed up and played the role of Mystery Babylon, Mother Of All Harlots (Revelation 17:5).


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Reply #155 posted 02/12/12 11:13am

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Graycap23 said:

Not a single person was talking about her great "performance".

It seems this was the ONLY way 2 get any attention from this particular performance.

@Gray & BK....I'm more disappointed that MIA's middle finger gotten far more attention than all of the occult symbolism that were obviously in plain sight throughout the entire halftime show of the entire audience & viewers to see. neutral

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Reply #156 posted 02/12/12 11:17am

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G3000 said:

I agree. nod It's a freaking double stardard.

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Reply #157 posted 02/12/12 11:22am

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lastdecember said:

mjscarousal said:

Right.

The fact that Madonna even acknowledge that shit... is tacky to me.. Like you over their doing crotch showing kart wheels and someone gives the bird and NO ONE saw it.. and you calling an overly sex performance peaceful... please Madonna SIT DOWN...

Sorry but i dont buy the whole "race" card issue, YES, its a double standard, but you cant tell me that if Madonna stuck her middle finger up in the camera people would have looked the other way? I mean really? Oasis did shit like this on the MTV awards about 15-17 years ago, and got banned, Adnrew Dice CLay cursed and did whatever got booted off two different shows and blacklisted by a whole network, now Chris Rock went out there and trashed everyone and no one blinked an eye, yet no one was saying, oh well Dice got banned because he was Jewish, Dice got banned because people thought he was sexist and pulled out of the network, SO YES race does play a part in these things AT TIMES, but CASH and the bottom line wipe out all race, GREEN is the color that matters people not black white and brown and yellow.

OFF-TOPIC: ViaCON (which is the current owner of MTV, VH-1, & BET) lifted the banned status from Andrew Dice Clay in order for Dice to appear more often on VH-1.

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Reply #158 posted 02/12/12 11:28am

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VoicesCarry said:

Since when did Madonna turn into a conservative cunt? We always knew she was a cunt, but a conservative one?

I think it's pretty lame of Madonna for calling MIA out for the middle finger gesture. First of all, MIA makes the gesture in the video, so Madonna can hardly be surprised that she integrated it into a performance. Second, Madonna is no stranger to stunt queen moves during performances. Finally, Madonna should be standing up for performers who push the envelope considering she's made a career out of doing it.

ANSWER: The moment Madonna accepted the stipulations of the NFL & NBC to not be the "liberal cunt" and/or the provocative artist that she is infamous of being throughout her music career.

This is the part that people need to take in consideration. Madonna might have been THE only one promising to accept these stipulations and not MIA or Nicki Minaj for that matter.

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Reply #159 posted 02/12/12 11:41am

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SoulAlive said:

Madonna is not against doing things that are "controversial"...she's made a whole career out of that.The problem is...after Nipplegate,you can't do that kinda stuff at the SuperBowl.Janet learned that the hard way.During your own concert,it's fine to do whatever the fuck you want.The SuperBowl has a whole different set of rules.They now make artists sign contracts that hold them liable for any indency fines that the NFL or network receives.

There's a time and place for everything.

Before Nipplegate, there was NOTHING controversial happening at any NFL SuperBowl halftime show at all (unless Michael Jackson lip-syncing through most of his performance counts! lol ).

And you know why? Because the limits of free speech & free expression were NEVER tested on a (inter)national platform on free boardcast television like the SuperBowl before the year Janet, Justin Timberlake, Kid Rock, Nelly, & Sean Combs took a shot at it. And we all know how that turn out......for Janet & Justin anyway.

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Reply #160 posted 02/12/12 11:48am

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lazycrockett said:

Timmy84 said:

lazycrockett posted some pictures of Madonna's gash. giggle

Just so you do have to look too hard.

At least Madonna shaved these days. nod Remember back in her early 1980's (before her record deal with Sire/Warner Bros) when she used to have it too hairy?!? disbelief lol

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Reply #161 posted 02/12/12 11:50am

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TonyVanDam said:

G3000 said:

I agree. nod It's a freaking double stardard.

I had forgotten all about this and folks still talking .... smh Yes it is a double standard which is why Im not paying it no mind. The media choose what they want to blow up and deem as classless but does the most trashiest shit every single day... whatever

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Reply #162 posted 02/12/12 1:55pm

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http://www.alternet.org/s...super_bowl

Why MIA Was Right to Give America the Finger at the Super Bowl

The Sri Lankan-British performer gave us all the finger at the Superbowl. Maybe we deserved it.
As Nipplegate instructed us, the Superbowl halftime stage is seen in America as almost hallowed ground, a football altar where only our most sacred pop stars may tread. And if they desecrate it? They will be effectively excommunicated, even if their legacy in American music is as important as anyone’s.
When Justin Timberlake accidentally exposed Janet Jackson’s breast in 2004 (and promptly recused himself from blame or controversy, leaving her to deal with it on her own), she became the country’s pariah, a heretic whose long punishment only ended in November 2011, when the Third Circuit Court of Appeals ruled that the FCC must pay back a fine it collected from CBS for the incident.
So for a young, rebellious pop starlet, the Superbowl halftime stage is the perfect place to drum up controversy. And controversy is what followed when the singer-rapper-artist M.I.A., during her guest verse on Madonna’s new single “Give Me All Your Lovin’,” looked into the camera and flipped the bird to 111.3 million viewers, while rapping the line, “Imma say this once/yeah/I don’t give a shit.” As a gesture, it certainly matched the sentiment of the line—but where the halftime censors were armed and ready to blank out the “shit” in her rap, they lagged on blurring out her middle finger, and so America got a huge dose of brown-girl disdain in the form of a beautifully rounded manicure and a traditional South Asian wedding bracelet.

As “obscene” gestures go, M.I.A.'s middle finger was no more shocking than, say, Usher’s pelvic thrusts during last year’s performance with the Black-Eyed Peas. Of course Madonna was reportedly “furious,” presumably because she “prides herself on professionalism,” but more likely because the act ciphoned the attention from the formerly boundary-bucking star. Madonna also called the M.I.A. finger “stupid and childish,” which, Madonna: you’ve made out with girls on television solely for attention, so you’re gonna have to sit down.

But Madonna’s reaction is less about attention and professionalism, and more about her ability to control her collaborators—which might illuminate why M.I.A. did it in the first place. When news first leaked that Madonna would be collaborating with M.I.A. and beloved rapper Nicki Minaj, fans were ecstatic—not just because the queen of pop was recognizing a new, innovative generation, but because Minaj and M.I.A., arguably the two most important young women in hip-hop and the surrounding world, would finally come together. But last week, when the video for the resulting song, “Give Me All Your Luvin’,” emerged, the overwhelming response was disappointment. First, the song itself is bland and soulless, with Madonna singing bad lyrics that don’t even make sense in a nonsensical pop sense. (Some also think it’s a mediocre ripoff of “Love Banana” by the Rio-based tropical bass producer Joao Brasil and CSS singer Lovefoxx, both of whom M.I.A. is certainly aware of.)

Perhaps more offensive than a ripoff, though, was the way Madonna underutilized Minaj and M.I.A. Both pop stars in their own right, she gives them each a token eight bars to knock out a super-quick rap and attempt to encapsulate their formidable personalities. It sounds wedged in, as though Madonna does not really care about their music so much as the cool cred they might garner her from the underground and younger audiences. Couple that with the fact that she positions them as her cheerleaders—both in the context of the song’s chorus, and dressed up as such in the official video and on the Superbowl performance—and it feels like the kind of familiar act of tokenism that Madonna has practiced since the 1990s.

Madge is very interested in co-opting black and brown “cool.” As bell hooks wrote years ago in her essay “Madonna: Plantation Mistress or Soul Sister,” “Fascinated yet envious of black style, Madonna appropriates black culture in ways that mock and undermine, making her presentation one that upstages.” In this estimation, it’s easy to see why Madonna was so angry at M.I.A. for stealing the spotlight.

And like Madonna, M.I.A. is notoriously self-motivated, anti-authoritarian and inherently subversive, albeit in a far more complicated way than the Material Girl. Her bird-flipping can be analyzed in two ways. First, the flip-off acted as a subconscious f-you to Madonna for relegating her and Nicki Minaj—the strong, important women of color—to understudy status. In addition to having them dress as cheerleaders in the “Give Me All Your Luvin” video, there is a scene in which they don her “Like a Virgin” era style—white lace dresses, boy toy belts, blonde Marilyn Monroe wigs—implying that they aspire to be like her when they grow up. In truth, each has her own distinct attitude that does not discernibly owe anything specific to the legacy of Madonna, unlike, say, Lady Gaga. Minaj’s “Harajuku Barbie” act is indebted to Japanese raver style, drag queens, and her background in drama, while M.I.A.’s persona is based on her experience as a Sri Lankan immigrant in London who went to art school as her rebel father fought for rebel groups back in the homeland. It is a clear facet of Madonna’s narcissism that this imagery showed up in the video with these specific people, and it makes us want to give up the middle finger, too.

But if the woman who once simulated masturbation on a world tour can’t understand the impetus for a provocative notion from a notoriously impetuous pop star, then it was clear the outside world was going to have a collective meltdown. And, of course, M.I.A. was effectively flipping off America, but not everyone in America—just what is perceived as America’s middlestream, the football-watching populace that traverses gender, race, class, age, and sexual orientation.

It’s telling that one of the main critiques of M.I.A.'s finger-flip this week had to do with the fact that she is “not even American,” as Republican Dana Perino groused, which is true (she holds British and Sri Lankan citizenship), but is also veiled code for “brown.” Let us not forget the role race played in Nipplegate, and how it corresponds—woman of color onstage with white pop star offends the country by will or by accident—and wonder if M.I.A. was white and gave the finger, how commentators would react. While we aren’t inclined to think a middle finger is all that interesting—we view it with something approaching boredom—it is somewhat subversive that a young brown woman rapping about her “uranium hits” did it.

And so, as the NBC and NFL play, and the FCC decides how much to charge, and who to charge it to (likely: around $50,000, and M.I.A.), this light controversy continues to rage, the country’s racial undercurrent runs through it. Meanwhile, M.I.A.’s got a new single to promote. It’s called "Bad Girlz," it samples Arabic pop, and the video features women wearing niqab and wielding A-Ks. Dana Perroni would love it.

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THIS^ article makes sense.

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Reply #163 posted 02/12/12 2:26pm

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Try as hard as i can, i do not for the life of me understand what MIA thought she had to gain from

doing Madonna.

Whatever victory she sought was always going to be pyrrhic, unless her intention was to become

the new Madonna, but her new song and vid would seem to suggest otherwise, even if she has come over all sexy and shit.

Surely, not even record company pressure led to this?

WTF happened here?

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Reply #164 posted 02/12/12 4:11pm

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mancabdriver said:

Don’t you think it’s a little demeaning for Nicki and MIA that they were basically Madonna’s backup dancers? But then again I would find it very hard to turn down an opportunity as big as that.

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Reply #165 posted 02/12/12 11:44pm

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TonyVanDam said:

http://www.alternet.org/s...super_bowl

Why MIA Was Right to Give America the Finger at the Super Bowl

...Madge is very interested in co-opting black and brown “cool.” As bell hooks wrote years ago in her essay “Madonna: Plantation Mistress or Soul Sister,” “Fascinated yet envious of black style, Madonna appropriates black culture in ways that mock and undermine, making her presentation one that upstages.” In this estimation, it’s easy to see why Madonna was so angry at M.I.A. for stealing the spotlight...

It’s telling that one of the main critiques of M.I.A.'s finger-flip this week had to do with the fact that she is “not even American,” as Republican Dana Perino groused, which is true (she holds British and Sri Lankan citizenship), but is also veiled code for “brown.” Let us not forget the role race played in Nipplegate, and how it corresponds—woman of color onstage with white pop star offends the country by will or by accident—and wonder if M.I.A. was white and gave the finger, how commentators would react. While we aren’t inclined to think a middle finger is all that interesting—we view it with something approaching boredom—it is somewhat subversive that a young brown woman rapping about her “uranium hits” did it.

And so, as the NBC and NFL play, and the FCC decides how much to charge, and who to charge it to (likely: around $50,000, and M.I.A.), this light controversy continues to rage, the country’s racial undercurrent runs through it. Meanwhile, M.I.A.’s got a new single to promote. It’s called "Bad Girlz," it samples Arabic pop, and the video features women wearing niqab and wielding A-Ks. Dana Perroni would love it.

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THIS^ article makes sense.

Exactly, Tony. (Where the hell you been, man? )

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Reply #166 posted 02/12/12 11:58pm

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BlaqueKnight said:

TonyVanDam said:

http://www.alternet.org/s...super_bowl

Why MIA Was Right to Give America the Finger at the Super Bowl

...Madge is very interested in co-opting black and brown “cool.” As bell hooks wrote years ago in her essay “Madonna: Plantation Mistress or Soul Sister,” “Fascinated yet envious of black style, Madonna appropriates black culture in ways that mock and undermine, making her presentation one that upstages.” In this estimation, it’s easy to see why Madonna was so angry at M.I.A. for stealing the spotlight...

It’s telling that one of the main critiques of M.I.A.'s finger-flip this week had to do with the fact that she is “not even American,” as Republican Dana Perino groused, which is true (she holds British and Sri Lankan citizenship), but is also veiled code for “brown.” Let us not forget the role race played in Nipplegate, and how it corresponds—woman of color onstage with white pop star offends the country by will or by accident—and wonder if M.I.A. was white and gave the finger, how commentators would react. While we aren’t inclined to think a middle finger is all that interesting—we view it with something approaching boredom—it is somewhat subversive that a young brown woman rapping about her “uranium hits” did it.

And so, as the NBC and NFL play, and the FCC decides how much to charge, and who to charge it to (likely: around $50,000, and M.I.A.), this light controversy continues to rage, the country’s racial undercurrent runs through it. Meanwhile, M.I.A.’s got a new single to promote. It’s called "Bad Girlz," it samples Arabic pop, and the video features women wearing niqab and wielding A-Ks. Dana Perroni would love it.

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THIS^ article makes sense.

Exactly, Tony. (Where the hell you been, man? )

Really?? You think madge gives a shit what she steals and where she steals it? Like she has researched and studied the non white cultures and has come up with a dasterly plan?

Cmon. she steals what hot and now and the reason is cause she has the money and the respect of the industry to do it. Who says no to Vadge? As for MIA she saw the op and took it, she wants to promote herself as does any other artist. Lets be honest if Taylor Swift threw the bird at the superbowl it would be news, or kelly clarkson. Its not bout MIA its bout the USA weird ass uptightness.

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Reply #167 posted 02/13/12 12:34am

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lazycrockett said:

BlaqueKnight said:

Exactly, Tony. (Where the hell you been, man? )

Really?? You think madge gives a shit what she steals and where she steals it? Like she has researched and studied the non white cultures and has come up with a dasterly plan?

Cmon. she steals what hot and now and the reason is cause she has the money and the respect of the industry to do it. Who says no to Vadge? As for MIA she saw the op and took it, she wants to promote herself as does any other artist. Lets be honest if Taylor Swift threw the bird at the superbowl it would be news, or kelly clarkson. Its not bout MIA its bout the USA weird ass uptightness.

Nonsense.

She flips the bird in the video.

Read my earlier post for an explanation of why it fit during the show.

It was really insignificant but WHITE MAINSTREAM AMERICA tries to mask its blatant bigotry with fake outrage.

Madonna can spread her busted ass coochie all over the stage during the halftime of a sport that is 90% violence but somehow one little brown finger is controversial? BULLSHIT. Its the "we can't call you a sandn*gg*r, so we'll use this as a reason to be mad" excuse.

People of color know this tired ass move. Its not new and people ain't foolin' nobody with that bullshit.

Madonna's fake ass knows damn well she wasn't suprised nor was she offended.

And somebody remind that bitch she's from Bay City and not Brixton. Ol' faux accent havin' ass...

She's always been a culture vulture. People of color just don't give a shit about a watered-down version or bastardization of something.

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Reply #168 posted 02/13/12 1:04am

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BlaqueKnight said:

She flips the bird in the video.

Read my earlier post for an explanation of why it fit during the show.

It was really insignificant but WHITE MAINSTREAM AMERICA tries to mask its blatant bigotry with fake outrage.

Madonna can spread her busted ass coochie all over the stage during the halftime of a sport that is 90% violence but somehow one little brown finger is controversial? BULLSHIT. Its the "we can't call you a sandn*gg*r, so we'll use this as a reason to be mad" excuse.

People of color know this tired ass move. Its not new and people ain't foolin' nobody with that bullshit.

Madonna's fake ass knows damn well she wasn't suprised nor was she offended.

And somebody remind that bitch she's from Bay City and not Brixton. Ol' faux accent havin' ass...

She's always been a culture vulture. People of color just don't give a shit about a watered-down version or bastardization of something.

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Reply #169 posted 02/13/12 7:21am

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BlaqueKnight said:

lazycrockett said:

Really?? You think madge gives a shit what she steals and where she steals it? Like she has researched and studied the non white cultures and has come up with a dasterly plan?

Cmon. she steals what hot and now and the reason is cause she has the money and the respect of the industry to do it. Who says no to Vadge? As for MIA she saw the op and took it, she wants to promote herself as does any other artist. Lets be honest if Taylor Swift threw the bird at the superbowl it would be news, or kelly clarkson. Its not bout MIA its bout the USA weird ass uptightness.

Nonsense.

She flips the bird in the video.

Read my earlier post for an explanation of why it fit during the show.

It was really insignificant but WHITE MAINSTREAM AMERICA tries to mask its blatant bigotry with fake outrage.

Madonna can spread her busted ass coochie all over the stage during the halftime of a sport that is 90% violence but somehow one little brown finger is controversial? BULLSHIT. Its the "we can't call you a sandn*gg*r, so we'll use this as a reason to be mad" excuse.

People of color know this tired ass move. Its not new and people ain't foolin' nobody with that bullshit.

Madonna's fake ass knows damn well she wasn't suprised nor was she offended.

And somebody remind that bitch she's from Bay City and not Brixton. Ol' faux accent havin' ass...

She's always been a culture vulture. People of color just don't give a shit about a watered-down version or bastardization of something.

falloff Hot damn! clapping lol

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