What a joke. Beastie Boys inducted and other bands were left out in the cold. The Beastie Boys are more of a comedy act than they are musicians. Anyone can sample a song. Musicians work hard, have talent and create music. Don't get me wrong. I like some Beastie Boys NOISE but I don't love it. I love Prince's music. I love The Beatles music. I love WAR's music. I just don't have the same feelings for GNR's or The Beastie Boys.

el callejero

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I hate it when people dismiss sampling like it's nothing.

Easy to copy. Hard to create.

ElCallejero said:

Easy to copy. Hard to create.

Like this. Dismiss is like it's nothing.

On many of their records after the 1st two, they are playing instruments:

MCA - bass

King Ad Rock - guitar

Mike D - drums

They also have an organist playing on some songs named Mario Caldato Jr. The Beasties have two all instrumental albums as well.

Well aren't we special?

What I dont get is that pretty much everyone on this board agrees that the RNRHOF is a frakkin joke. So you may be rightful to be upset bout who gets in and who doesn't, but shake it off. Its only in the hands of a small group of people who in my opinion dont really matter. There really is no reason to be bashing those that got the vote.

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lazycrockett said:

What I dont get is that pretty much everyone on this board agrees that the RNRHOF is a frakkin joke. So you may be rightfully upset bout who gets in and who doesn't, but shake it off. Its only in the hands of a small group of people who in my opinion dont really matter. There really is no reason to be bashing those that got the vote.

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Yeah like I ain't got no problems with someone like Percy Sledge getting in, I just don't like that he was chosen. I wouldn't be bashing him calling him some gap toothed bastard that got over while someone like Johnnie Taylor didn't get in. It ain't his fault he got inducted and it ain't the Beastie Boys' fault that they got inducted. But sure people like to blame the one with the brass ring instead of the one who gave that person the brass ring. It's human nature. And a second thread dedicated to dissing a group that don't deserve the diss.

The Beastie Boys deserve it. The work Rick Rubin created for them is that good!

But I do agree that sampling is a lot easier than traditional song writitng. Is it any wonder that as soon as using samples became cost prohibitive, hip-hop became shit-hop?

BB can't hold Rakim's jockstrap as far as skills are concerned. But hey, it is, what it is.

BB where influntial

And welll GNR there influential do i really need to say why?

That is all you need to know, besides it is just an induction ceremony, one that many claim is a joke but get so butthurt about lol.

MickyDolenz said:

On many of their records after the 1st two, they are playing instruments:

MCA - bass

King Ad Rock - guitar

Mike D - drums

They also have an organist playing on some songs named Mario Caldato Jr. The Beasties have two all instrumental albums as well.

Yeah that pretty much shut down the OP's tales of them sampling..... and those saying they have no talent when they have 2 instrumental albums of all original material.

I love Beastie Boys. But yeah of course they sample! Every rapper/hip hop act does that. It's not strange.

If you want to see who(or anyone else) they sampled, here ya go;

http://www.whosampled.com

This site a lot of fun.

Step off the Beastie Boys, if you're just gonna disregard sampling as a way of making music as a whole then you're just missing out. I would be bitter to.

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lazycrockett said:

That boy is sooooo full of sugar.

RKJCNE said:

Step off the Beastie Boys, if you're just gonna disregard sampling as a way of making music as a whole then you're just missing out. I would be bitter to.

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It's cool if they sample but it is not the same as playing an instrument and creating your own music.

I have a couple Beastie Boy's cd's myself. The thing is that I don't take them serious and they were not cutting edge. There were rappers before them and I don't think that they made any significant contribution to the advancement of music or style. Unless, you consider being

The Three Stooges of RAP and Hip Hop a contribution? I can see Run DMC, Afrika Soul Bambaataa, LL Cool J and there are many more East Coast rappers who contributed a lot more than The Beastie Boys. The Boys just made it acceptable to a certain segment of people. Sort of like what ELVIS and Pat Boone did for The REAL Rock and Roll Pioneers, Chuck Berry, Little Richard and Fats Domino (and many more).

America kills what it doesn't understand and cannot control. If they cannot create it themselves so they can make money, they just steal it (just like Jerry Goldstein). Easy to steal but it's hard to create.

REAL musicians work their ass off rehearsing, soundchecks, traveling and then there are the shows! Hell, even I can sing Karaoke (LMAO)!

http://www.laweekly.com/2007-06-14/music/war-by-any-other-name-sounds-just-as-sweet/

http://prince.org/msg/8/329129

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_(band)

Would Lennon and McCartney, Prince, Sly Stone, Kurt Cobain, Stevie Wonder be considered the genius's that they are if they had a catalog like The Boys from Brooklyn?

Just a thought.

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ElCallejero said:

RKJCNE said:

Step off the Beastie Boys, if you're just gonna disregard sampling as a way of making music as a whole then you're just missing out. I would be bitter to.

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It's cool if they sample but it is not the same as playing an instrument and creating your own music.

I have a couple Beastie Boy's cd's myself. The thing is that I don't take them serious and they were not cutting edge. There were rappers before them and I don't think that they made any significant contribution to the advancement of music or style. Unless, you consider being

The Three Stooges of RAP and Hip Hop a contribution? I can see Run DMC, Afrika Soul Bambaataa, LL Cool J and there are many more East Coast rappers who contributed a lot more than The Beastie Boys. The Boys just made it acceptable to a certain segment of people. Sort of like what ELVIS and Pat Boone did for The REAL Rock and Roll Pioneers, Chuck Berry, Little Richard and Fats Domino (and many more).

America kills what it doesn't understand and cannot control. If they cannot create it themselves so they can make money, they just steal it (just like Jerry Goldstein). Easy to steal but it's hard to create.

REAL musicians work their ass off rehearsing, soundchecks, traveling and then there are the shows! Hell, even I can sing Karaoke (LMAO)!

http://www.laweekly.com/2007-06-14/music/war-by-any-other-name-sounds-just-as-sweet/

http://prince.org/msg/8/329129

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_(band)

Would Lennon and McCartney, Prince, Sly Stone, Kurt Cobain, Stevie Wonder be considered the genius's that they are if they had a catalog like The Boys from Brooklyn?

Just a thought.

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The weakest arguments are those based on comparison. Paul McCartney and Kurt Cobain have no place in a disucssion about the Beastie Boys.

Not cutting edge? No significant contribution? Are you kidding me?

I'm not going to argue this with you one bit, because you simple refuse to see sampling as a legitimate artisty. That's elitist. Thank god you're views on talent don't shape the industry, because acts like Beastie Boys thought outside the box and created classic albums.

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ElCallejero said:

The Boys just made it acceptable to a certain segment of people. Sort of like what ELVIS and Pat Boone did for The REAL Rock and Roll Pioneers, Chuck Berry, Little Richard and Fats Domino (and many more).

America kills what it doesn't understand and cannot control. If they cannot create it themselves so they can make money, they just steal it (just like Jerry Goldstein). Easy to steal but it's hard to create.

REAL musicians work their ass off rehearsing, soundchecks, traveling and then there are the shows! Hell, even I can sing Karaoke (LMAO)!

It has become popular in some circles to denigrate Elvis as little more than a "thief" but anyone that compares Elvis' music (particularly his early recordings) to Chuck Berry, Little Richard and Fats Domino (and others) will easily see that Elvis had a sound that was unique. Probably the most obvious difference was that Elvis had a lot more country to his sound than the three artists that you mentioned. Please point out to me how his Sun Recordings in particular "steal" from the three artists that you mentioned.

Many white artists (Elvis, Buddy Holly, the Everly Brothers, Eddie Cochran and Gene Vincent to name several) made crucial and original contributions to early rock and roll. To dismiss them as thieves that simply ripped off black artists is ignorant and ludicrous.

rialb said:

ElCallejero said:

The Boys just made it acceptable to a certain segment of people. Sort of like what ELVIS and Pat Boone did for The REAL Rock and Roll Pioneers, Chuck Berry, Little Richard and Fats Domino (and many more).

America kills what it doesn't understand and cannot control. If they cannot create it themselves so they can make money, they just steal it (just like Jerry Goldstein). Easy to steal but it's hard to create.

REAL musicians work their ass off rehearsing, soundchecks, traveling and then there are the shows! Hell, even I can sing Karaoke (LMAO)!

It has become popular in some circles to denigrate Elvis as little more than a "thief" but anyone that compares Elvis' music (particularly his early recordings) to Chuck Berry, Little Richard and Fats Domino (and others) will easily see that Elvis had a sound that was unique. Probably the most obvious difference was that Elvis had a lot more country to his sound than the three artists that you mentioned. Please point out to me how his Sun Recordings in particular "steal" from the three artists that you mentioned.

Many white artists (Elvis, Buddy Holly, the Everly Brothers, Eddie Cochran and Gene Vincent to name several) made crucial and original contributions to early rock and roll. To dismiss them as thieves that simply ripped off black artists is ignorant and ludicrous.

That's what people on the org do, yes to some agree white artists did steal some music. But some where simply inspired by black music and made some great unique records. But it seems a lot of people on here are biased, they think it's Stupid Beasties & RHCP get in because there white artists who where inspired by Black artists. Music is music people need to cut out the color bullshit and get over it it's 2011

ElCallejero said:

RKJCNE said:

Step off the Beastie Boys, if you're just gonna disregard sampling as a way of making music as a whole then you're just missing out. I would be bitter to.

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It's cool if they sample but it is not the same as playing an instrument and creating your own music.

I have a couple Beastie Boy's cd's myself. The thing is that I don't take them serious and they were not cutting edge. There were rappers before them and I don't think that they made any significant contribution to the advancement of music or style. Unless, you consider being

The Three Stooges of RAP and Hip Hop a contribution? I can see Run DMC, Afrika Soul Bambaataa, LL Cool J and there are many more East Coast rappers who contributed a lot more than The Beastie Boys. The Boys just made it acceptable to a certain segment of people. Sort of like what ELVIS and Pat Boone did for The REAL Rock and Roll Pioneers, Chuck Berry, Little Richard and Fats Domino (and many more).

America kills what it doesn't understand and cannot control. If they cannot create it themselves so they can make money, they just steal it (just like Jerry Goldstein). Easy to steal but it's hard to create.

REAL musicians work their ass off rehearsing, soundchecks, traveling and then there are the shows! Hell, even I can sing Karaoke (LMAO)!

http://www.laweekly.com/2007-06-14/music/war-by-any-other-name-sounds-just-as-sweet/

http://prince.org/msg/8/329129

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_(band)

Would Lennon and McCartney, Prince, Sly Stone, Kurt Cobain, Stevie Wonder be considered the genius's that they are if they had a catalog like The Boys from Brooklyn?

Just a thought.

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Where you reading Micky's post? child the Beasties released 2 great instrumental albums all ORIGINAL. And most thing's past Paul's Boutique where composed by The Beasties themselves. So get off the sampling thing and make a real argument

This argument about stealing is as tired as racism itself... no artist stole anything. Wanna blame someone for stealing, blame managers. Blame record labels. Blame the industry. Don't shoot the messengers, which is what Elvis was. He definitely wasn't the cause of any stealing and neither were the Beastie Boys. But I guess it's easier to blame the artist because they "agreed to it". Fuck outta here. I don't give a shit anymore to be honest.

Timmy84 said:

This argument about stealing is as tired as racism itself... no artist stole anything. Wanna blame someone for stealing, blame managers. Blame record labels. Blame the industry. Don't shoot the messengers, which is what Elvis was. He definitely wasn't the cause of any stealing and neither were the Beastie Boys. But I guess it's easier to blame the artist because they "agreed to it". Fuck outta here. I don't give a shit anymore to be honest.

I'm not a huge fan of the Beastie Boys but if you take an album like Paul's Boutique who else, whether they be black or white, was doing anything remotely similar to that in 1989?

There is a lot more to the albums Check Your Head and Ill Communication than samples. There is plenty of "real music" on those albums and they had a very unique combination of live instruments and samples.

How about the success they had with Hello Nasty? Other than LL Cool J how many rap artists that were popular in the mid '80s were still popular in 1998?

If it were up to me there are many other artists that I would vote in ahead of the Beastie Boys but to dismiss them as a joke group flies in the face of reality. They were very creative and influential. Had they not progressed after Licensed To Ill I would agree that they are a bit of a joke but if you compare that album to Paul's Boutique and then compare Paul's Boutique to Check Your Head all three albums sound radically different to each other. The Beastie Boys certainly pushed more boundaries and were more creative than the vast majority of rap/hip-hop artists.

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I'll give some lazy so called smart ass know it all fucks about an hour to come up with the sample. Whoever wins gets the Bitter Troll Award. Ready? GO!

the rrhof is working overtime to embaress and deny the contributions of many black artist who have contributed an incredible amount to rock and roll.

jackson35 said:

the rrhof is working overtime to embaress and deny the contributions of many black artist who have contributed an incredible amount to rock and roll.

Maybe you should have read earlier posts by Gunshalen and Rialb before you came in here to embarress yourself.

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