SeventeenDayze said:

I was just wondering about this a while back and was talking to another purple hippie about this. I really have no idea what happened to the concept of having a band. I think a long time ago I heard a theory that record companies basically killed "real instruments" in pop music because that's fewer people on the payroll and it's a cheaper means of production in general. I really don't know if R&B bands will make a comeback because I think this overprocessed "music" is really played out.

I've heard the theory, too that some of the record co's thought it was cheaper to produce pop and R&B music without a live band or studio musicians.

BUT....There are rock bands who do play instruments and work with the same (or even lower) budgets than what a record co would spend on a pop or R&B release.

LittleBLUECorvette said:

The RnB Band dies about 15 years before the RnB groups.

The last RnB group was (no joke) B2K. Can anyone name a group that came out after them ...

When R&B singers began to take on the personality of rappers, they began to make themselves increasingly obsolete.

When R&B singers began to adopt the sound of rappers, they became less distinguishable from MCs.

When they took it a step further and began to collaborate with rappers on a regular basis, they eliminated the need to collaborate with other singers.

When the voices began to be whittled down in favor of the beats and the rhymes, more singers began to strike out on their own. Why share the mic with another siinger when you hire the hot rappers of the month to record your albums?

The R&B singer, by and large, took on the rapper's style, the rapper's sound, and the rapper himself. Now he's much less likely to highlight his voice as a solo act. Much less as part of a singing group. Heck, a lot of MCs sing on their own albums, and now the singers are the accessories.

Rap music is like junk food to R&B music. It often tastes good, but eat too much of it too long, it can kill you.

[Edited 8/5/11 10:11am]

Timmy84 said:

TD3 said:

Timmy84 said: Now you know call me Ms. Ross had I'm goin' solo written all over her face; through that shitty grin she was sayin', "I'm leavin this damn". 'Baby love my baby love......'

To be honest, I don't blame her. Even looking at the Supremes when they were cool, Diana was determined to get to the top. I can't hate on that really. Mary and Flo were just ill-prepared to handle that tbh. Who knows with the Temptations though. They were the ones all about unity yet it was easy to separate than stay together.

She had IT. However.. some dirty plots and schemes were done for her to get to the top. It wasnt JUST her drive alone. PERSONALLY, not ONLY was Flo more beautiful than Diana she had kick ass vocals. I am surprised they didnt invest in her in her solor career but instead messed her over.

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mjscarousal said:

Timmy84 said:

To be honest, I don't blame her. Even looking at the Supremes when they were cool, Diana was determined to get to the top. I can't hate on that really. Mary and Flo were just ill-prepared to handle that tbh. Who knows with the Temptations though. They were the ones all about unity yet it was easy to separate than stay together.

She had IT. However.. some dirty plots and schemes were done for her to get to the top. It wasnt JUST her drive alone. PERSONALLY, not ONLY was Flo more beautiful than Diana she had kick ass vocals. I am surprised they didnt invest in her in her solor career but instead messed her over.

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I used to believe that theory. But for some reason after "Unsung" I changed my entire viewpoint on what happened with Florence. She was a strong (and stubborn) woman that hated when things changed, especially when Diana start to want to take control of the group (which technically is what Motown did) and then later going solo. Plus Florence was caught between a rock and a hard place between wanting to salvage the group and not wanting to kiss Berry's behind. Motown DID offer her a solo contract from what I read but she refused to be associated with Motown and her career suffered as a result.

Timmy84 said:

mjscarousal said:

She had IT. However.. some dirty plots and schemes were done for her to get to the top. It wasnt JUST her drive alone. PERSONALLY, not ONLY was Flo more beautiful than Diana she had kick ass vocals. I am surprised they didnt invest in her in her solor career but instead messed her over.

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I used to believe that theory. But for some reason after "Unsung" I changed my entire viewpoint on what happened with Florence. She was a strong (and stubborn) woman that hated when things changed, especially when Diana start to want to take control of the group (which technically is what Motown did) and then later going solo. Plus Florence was caught between a rock and a hard place between wanting to salvage the group and not wanting to kiss Berry's behind. Motown DID offer her a solo contract from what I read but she refused to be associated with Motown and her career suffered as a result.

I have never looked into Unsung and your probably right because no one is perfect but all I know is Diana didnt climb to the top all by herself. Some messed up things were going on and Flo noticed it and I dont blame her for not wanting to be apart of something that wasnt right. I just thought Flo was more marketable than Diana, looks and voice. Diana is a diva and all but what really makes her a legend is her part in THE SUPREMES who NEVER get credit and deserve a hell of alot more.

Timmy84 said:

Ego.

"You Sure Ya Wanna Hang With Old Eddie Kane?"

HermesReborn said:

Timmy84 said:

Ego.

"You Sure Ya Wanna Hang With Old Eddie Kane?"

LOL

BTW, you spelled his name wrong. People do that a lot because of his accent, but it was Eddie King, Jr.

mjscarousal said:

Timmy84 said:

I used to believe that theory. But for some reason after "Unsung" I changed my entire viewpoint on what happened with Florence. She was a strong (and stubborn) woman that hated when things changed, especially when Diana start to want to take control of the group (which technically is what Motown did) and then later going solo. Plus Florence was caught between a rock and a hard place between wanting to salvage the group and not wanting to kiss Berry's behind. Motown DID offer her a solo contract from what I read but she refused to be associated with Motown and her career suffered as a result.

I have never looked into Unsung and your probably right because no one is perfect but all I know is Diana didnt climb to the top all by herself. Some messed up things were going on and Flo noticed it and I dont blame her for not wanting to be apart of something that wasnt right. I just thought Flo was more marketable than Diana, looks and voice. Diana is a diva and all but what really makes her a legend is her part in THE SUPREMES who NEVER get credit and deserve a hell of alot more.

Even Diana acknowledged it. It would be foolish for her to not believe she made it with two other folks.

AlexdeParis said:

HermesReborn said:

"You Sure Ya Wanna Hang With Old Eddie Kane?"

LOL

BTW, you spelled his name wrong. People do that a lot because of his accent, but it was Eddie King, Jr.

You spell it King, but it comes out Kane!