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Thread started 02/08/11 4:54am

Harlepolis

Mean Sleep - Cree Summer & Lenny Kravitz Or Van Hunt & Nikka Costa

Reply #1 posted 02/08/11 5:51am

JackieBlue

Lenny & Cree has always been my favorite even though I was glad to see someone else give this song some attention. I just think the original is richer. I love their voices together and the guitar in the opening. Van Hunt’s is a little thin and fragile by comparison. And as much as I dig Van his vocals don’t do anything for me.

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Reply #2 posted 02/08/11 5:53am

Harlepolis

JackieBlue said:

Lenny & Cree has always been my favorite even though I was glad to see someone else give this song some attention. I just think the original is richer. I love their voices together and the guitar in the opening. Van Hunt’s is a little thin and fragile by comparison. And as much as I dig Van his vocals don’t do anything for me.

Both move me in a different way. I actually can't decide which of them is superior. Thats kinda rare IMO.

Reply #3 posted 02/08/11 6:01am

JackieBlue

Harlepolis said:

JackieBlue said:

Lenny & Cree has always been my favorite even though I was glad to see someone else give this song some attention. I just think the original is richer. I love their voices together and the guitar in the opening. Van Hunt’s is a little thin and fragile by comparison. And as much as I dig Van his vocals don’t do anything for me.

Both move me in a different way. I actually can't decide which of them is superior. Thats kinda rare IMO.

Van and Nikka is a much gentler version and gives it a different feel. I didn't dislike it but I LOVED the original from the first moment i heard it.

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Reply #4 posted 02/08/11 6:48am

MyLuv229

I really like both version. I'm glad they're both very different and have a separate feel to it. I think there should've been a duet with Lenny and Nikka instead. Van and Cree are lacking in their vocals for me.

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Reply #5 posted 02/08/11 7:28am

ButterscotchPimp

I'd like to point out that Van wrote that song.

But i still prefer the Cree/Lenny version a bit more.

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Reply #6 posted 02/08/11 9:04am

armpit

eek

Wow I didn't know Cree Summer could sing like THAT. Maybe she went into the wrong field (acting)...

I'm gonna have to go with the Lenny K version. It's just better - the cover is dull by comparison. I hate saying that too, because I actually love Nikka Costa - but they took out all the stuff musically that makes the song good in the first place.

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Reply #7 posted 02/08/11 9:18am

HatrinaHaterwitz

I have to say Cree and Lenny. The chemisty of their voices work better together.

I'd never heard either version before, thanks for hipping me to something cool, Harlepolis. thumbs up!

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[Edited 2/8/11 9:19am]

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Reply #8 posted 02/08/11 9:24am

Harlepolis

armpit said:

eek

Wow I didn't know Cree Summer could sing like THAT. Maybe she went into the wrong field (acting)...

I'm gonna have to go with the Lenny K version. It's just better - the cover is dull by comparison. I hate saying that too, because I actually love Nikka Costa - but they took out all the stuff musically that makes the song good in the first place.

Well, do yourself a favor and pick this up. You won't be sorry.

And you're welcome, Hatrina wave

Reply #9 posted 02/08/11 9:34am

armpit

Harlepolis said:

armpit said:

eek

Wow I didn't know Cree Summer could sing like THAT. Maybe she went into the wrong field (acting)...

I'm gonna have to go with the Lenny K version. It's just better - the cover is dull by comparison. I hate saying that too, because I actually love Nikka Costa - but they took out all the stuff musically that makes the song good in the first place.

Well, do yourself a favor and pick this up. You won't be sorry.

And you're welcome, Hatrina wave

I just listened to some snippets over at Amazon....The first three tracks sound kinda like turds, but after that I think it picks up in a biggggg way. Want.

Thanks for the recommendation.

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Reply #10 posted 02/08/11 9:38am

Harlepolis

armpit said:

Harlepolis said:

Well, do yourself a favor and pick this up. You won't be sorry.

And you're welcome, Hatrina wave

I just listened to some snippets over at Amazon....The first three tracks sound kinda like turds, but after that I think it picks up in a biggggg way. Want.

Thanks for the recommendation.

falloff

You don't wanna know how many years that album have been collecting dust in my house lol but thankfully I came around, I think the woman put ALOT of heart in that project of hers, and I came to love it after just a couple of listen(I always discover good things in my house whenever I'm sick and can't show up for work).

Reply #11 posted 02/08/11 9:41am

Lammastide

armpit said:

Harlepolis said:

Well, do yourself a favor and pick this up. You won't be sorry.

And you're welcome, Hatrina wave

I just listened to some snippets over at Amazon....The first three tracks sound kinda like turds, but after that I think it picks up in a biggggg way. Want.

Thanks for the recommendation.

And if you can still get your hands on it, you might consider checking out her earlier work with a band called Subject to Change. Their only album, Womb Amnesia, has a rougher, more amateurish indie sound, but it's got some interesting moments. And Cree's vocals are powerful:

Cree borrowed 1 or 2 songs from Womb Amnesia for reworking on Street Faerie, if I recall correctly.

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Reply #12 posted 02/08/11 9:43am

BlaqueKnight

I have always said, if you can't do a cover BETTER, then do it DIFFERENTLY. This is a perfect example of that. They are very different sounding songs with very different moods. Both are very nice versions. I'm not choosing. lol

Reply #13 posted 02/08/11 9:44am

Graycap23

Harlepolis said:

armpit said:

eek

Wow I didn't know Cree Summer could sing like THAT. Maybe she went into the wrong field (acting)...

I'm gonna have to go with the Lenny K version. It's just better - the cover is dull by comparison. I hate saying that too, because I actually love Nikka Costa - but they took out all the stuff musically that makes the song good in the first place.

Well, do yourself a favor and pick this up. You won't be sorry.

And you're welcome, Hatrina wave

I picked this up when it was new. I played it ONCE.

Reply #14 posted 02/08/11 9:46am

Lammastide

Graycap23 said:

Harlepolis said:

Well, do yourself a favor and pick this up. You won't be sorry.

And you're welcome, Hatrina wave

I picked this up when it was new. I played it ONCE.

lol

I couldn't really get into the whole thing either. But there's something about Cree's spirit that appeals to me.

"Be excellent to each other." -Bill and Ted
Reply #15 posted 02/08/11 9:46am

Graycap23

Lammastide said:

Graycap23 said:

I picked this up when it was new. I played it ONCE.

lol

I couldn't really get into the whole thing either. But there's something about Cree's spirit that appeals to me.

I dig Cree..............95% of the Different World cast was cool also.

Reply #16 posted 02/08/11 9:49am

Harlepolis

Graycap23 said:

Lammastide said:

lol

I couldn't really get into the whole thing either. But there's something about Cree's spirit that appeals to me.

I dig Cree..............95% of the Different World cast was cool also.

Cut the snobbery you two and listen to the damn thing again hammer

Reply #17 posted 02/08/11 9:57am

P2daP

I'd vote for Van and Nikka. I perfer both of thier vocal stlyes. Plus Van Hunt wrote the song, so he gets points for that as well.

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Reply #18 posted 02/08/11 9:58am

Graycap23

Harlepolis said:

Graycap23 said:

I dig Cree..............95% of the Different World cast was cool also.

Cut the snobbery you two and listen to the damn thing again hammer

I tried 2 listen again about a year ago and my ears went NUMB.

Reply #19 posted 02/08/11 10:46am

JackieBlue

I love Street Faerie. I've been waititng for a follow up for over a decade. boxed

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Reply #20 posted 02/08/11 6:20pm

smokeverbs

Cree Summer all day. Classic song, classic album.

Keep your headphones on.
Reply #21 posted 02/08/11 7:44pm

guitarslinger44

Definitely Van and Nikka's version. It's much more emotional, dynamic, and their vocals seem much more appropriate for what, to me, is an introspective song.

I like Lenny and Cree's version, but it doesn't go anywhere. It has only two real dynamic ranges throuought the entire song, which are with and without distorted guitars. Van/Nikka's version has twists and turns, the instrumental arrangement is somewhat kaliedescopic because it changes quite a bit; things get added, things get taken away.

Lenny and Cree seemed to treat it like just another song, wheras Van and Nikka massaged it. It's probably because Van wrote it, but he & Nikka sing it like they've been through it, whereas I don't get the same emotional impact from Lenny and Cree's performances.

Reply #22 posted 02/08/11 9:03pm

AlexdeParis

They're both great. If I had to pick, I'd probably go with my boy Van.

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Reply #23 posted 02/09/11 12:33am

armpit

guitarslinger44 said:

Definitely Van and Nikka's version. It's much more emotional, dynamic, and their vocals seem much more appropriate for what, to me, is an introspective song.

I like Lenny and Cree's version, but it doesn't go anywhere. It has only two real dynamic ranges throuought the entire song, which are with and without distorted guitars. Van/Nikka's version has twists and turns, the instrumental arrangement is somewhat kaliedescopic because it changes quite a bit; things get added, things get taken away.

Lenny and Cree seemed to treat it like just another song, wheras Van and Nikka massaged it. It's probably because Van wrote it, but he & Nikka sing it like they've been through it, whereas I don't get the same emotional impact from Lenny and Cree's performances.

This just shows how differently people can hear the same things, because to me it's the other way around - that Van's version sounds like just another song and the original sounds more heartfelt lol .

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Reply #24 posted 02/10/11 10:33pm

P2daP

Interesting side debate on this... Is Cree Summer and Lenny Kravitz theorginal version or his Van Hunt's the orginal... Van Hunt wrote the song.... But Cree Summer version came out first...

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Reply #25 posted 02/11/11 6:38am

Mindbells9

P2daP said:

Interesting side debate on this... Is Cree Summer and Lenny Kravitz theorginal version or his Van Hunt's the orginal... Van Hunt wrote the song.... But Cree Summer version came out first...

Well that depends.

Van Hunt wrote it 4 Cree and Lenny. He's credited as the writer of Mean Sleep and one or two other songs on her album. There's even footage of her and Lenny recording it on Lenny's VH1 Behind The Music special from 1999. Van and Nikka's version wasnt released until 2006.

I guess it's the same as asking since Prince wrote "Shhh" 4 Tevin Campbell, does that make Tevin's the original and Prince's 1994/95 Gold Experience version a cover.

Reply #26 posted 02/11/11 8:10am

sextonseven

I like the Van Hunt/Nikka duet more. When Nikka comes in on the chorus, it's magic.

Reply #27 posted 02/11/11 8:13am

sextonseven

guitarslinger44 said:

Definitely Van and Nikka's version. It's much more emotional, dynamic, and their vocals seem much more appropriate for what, to me, is an introspective song.

I like Lenny and Cree's version, but it doesn't go anywhere. It has only two real dynamic ranges throuought the entire song, which are with and without distorted guitars. Van/Nikka's version has twists and turns, the instrumental arrangement is somewhat kaliedescopic because it changes quite a bit; things get added, things get taken away.

Lenny and Cree seemed to treat it like just another song, wheras Van and Nikka massaged it. It's probably because Van wrote it, but he & Nikka sing it like they've been through it, whereas I don't get the same emotional impact from Lenny and Cree's performances.

Good answer. Cree's album is great, but "Mean Sleep" is one of the songs I like least on it.

Reply #28 posted 02/13/11 5:10pm

vizionheiry

I've always wanted to hear Van Hunt paired with Cree Summer on this song. I don't like Nikka's voice on this song. It just doesn't blend well with Van's. However I think the Van's production is better. It has more flourishing sounds.

Reply #29 posted 02/14/11 12:24am

fakir

ButterscotchPimp said:

I'd like to point out that Van wrote that song.

But i still prefer the Cree/Lenny version a bit more.

Van & Cree co-wrote that song...if i remember.I like both versions.

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