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Reply #390 posted 03/20/10 10:47pm

prodigalfan

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Jhunsucker, scroll back through the thread and you will see the article verbatim where Wesley dissed black women

How was P blacklisted?


After he took on Warner brothers and the whole owning your copyrights, radio would not play Prince. Gold Experience was the first of a long line of solid albums by Prince that got very little airplay. Even today, you will only hear Prince on oldie station playing the stuff from the 80's.

Musicology: I call your name, Million Days, the Marrying Kind, Incense and Candles, Black Sweat, Beautiful and Bless, The Dance... all radio friendly songs and potential hits. Not hardly a peep on the airwaves.
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Reply #391 posted 03/20/10 11:09pm

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Musicology: I call your name, Million Days, the Marrying Kind, Incense and Candles, Black Sweat, Beautiful and Bless, The Dance... all radio friendly songs and potential hits. Not hardly a peep on the airwaves.



[Edited 3/20/10 23:09pm]
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Reply #392 posted 03/20/10 11:53pm

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prodigalfan said:

scriptgirl said:

Jhunsucker, scroll back through the thread and you will see the article verbatim where Wesley dissed black women

How was P blacklisted?


After he took on Warner brothers and the whole owning your copyrights, radio would not play Prince. Gold Experience was the first of a long line of solid albums by Prince that got very little airplay. Even today, you will only hear Prince on oldie station playing the stuff from the 80's.

Remember a lot of Prince's stuff isn't that radio friendly. You won't hear anything from Dirty Mind or Controversy on the radio either. It's just generic stations catering for the widest audiences by playing what Joe Public knows. Pre-2009 and post 1993, the only Michael Jackson tunes you'd ever hear on the radio were the same 10 or so safe picks too.
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Reply #393 posted 03/20/10 11:54pm

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Reading through the thread, I think there has been a big misconception here....Wesley Snipes did not get blackballed because he liked Asian women more than black women...During the time his statement came out about Asian women being "bedroom generals", the first Blade movie was released and ended up becoming a hit despite his comments...

A few years later, the sequel made even more money...People (and more specifically black folks) were not even thinking of his past comments...Wesley's problems started when he began feuding with the movie studio that released the Blade films as well as director David Goyer...You could virtually do anything in Hollywood from overdose on drugs to be arrested for accidently killing a man from a DUI...But one thing you cannot do is battle the studios...

Wesley sued a studio....He even sued the agency that represented him for wages...That's something you don't do in Hollywood....And Wesley paid the price...
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Reply #394 posted 03/21/10 7:04am

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That may be true that Snipes scored hits with the Blade movies but his core audience was Black women. When you cater to the masses, when you ar hot you are hot, when you're not, you're not. That is when you fall back on your core supporters to tie you over during the lulls in your career. Wesley cut his core group of supporters off. When he hit a lull, that was it.
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Reply #395 posted 03/21/10 7:04am

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sosgemini said:

prodigalfan said:



Musicology: I call your name, Million Days, the Marrying Kind, Incense and Candles, Black Sweat, Beautiful and Bless, The Dance... all radio friendly songs and potential hits. Not hardly a peep on the airwaves.



[Edited 3/20/10 23:09pm]



Sorry, I don't watch a lot of old movies... I don't get the reference.

dunce lol
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Reply #396 posted 03/21/10 10:06am

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scriptgirl said:

That Wesley interview is from Ebony




And for the one that said that the interview was not inflamatory... I think it was a very poor choice of conversation and view when your main audience is Black women, and you are giving an interview for a magazine that main target is Black women. Honestly, I couldn't help but take it personal. When he made a comment about Black women in a Black women's magazine... uhm... I think he was giving a message directly at the reader. That message to me said, I don't have to put up with your shyt Black women, I don't have to beg for a glass of water, I got this Asian woman who is happy to do it for me.

dunce

Because you know what Black women said? Don't think we got to put up with your shyt.

When couples go out to movies... if the woman is saying I don't care what you want... I DON'T want to see that Wesley Snipes movie... and her man just want some R+R and possibly some romance after the date... I don't think many men held out for the Snipes movies... and his box office career was over. And I really think it was in part that Black women boycotted his movies after that interview. I heard those comments from co-workers/friends several times during that time period.



I hope you were just as outrage when we had Black men calling use bitches, ho's, cunts and other assorted names in music. Where was all this outrage when some black men pimped and celebrated death and violence? I think the music industry is under the umbrella of ENTERTAINMENT. Where was the outrage? Where were all you Black Women "turning" when this mess was going down? Who did we/you "blackball"? I know, that's different.

It never ceases to amaze me our selective outrage.

I'm suppose get bent out of shape because a black man says, 'he doesn't date black women because they nag and won't get him uh drank of wata.. without attitude if asked. Besides, Black men who're successful can pick and choose whomever.... you beta recognize'.

Of course, countless of black men -many of who don't have a pot to piss in nor a window to throw it out of- have repeated the same drivel. My statement didn't have anything to do with Mr. Snipes movies should be boycotted are not. My opinion spoke to what Mr. Snipes said in his interview with Ebony magazine. Those Black women who boycotted Mr. Snipes movies, fine. With exception of the movies director Mr. Shelton Jackson "Spike" Lee hired him for, I've never seen Mr. Snipes in anything else. I've don't like his acting.


So, maybe you need to reread my post.


I'll repeat: We need to stop allowing Black men define who we are, how they think we should act, or how we see ourselves. My life, my psychological well being doesn't hinge on what Mr. Snipes thinks.
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Reply #397 posted 03/21/10 10:19am

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In my humble opinion, this list is a bit silly lol

I think Janet is the only one on this list that was truly black balled. Her situation was blown way out of proportion and she's still dealing with the backlash 6 years later.

OJ murdered 2 people

Issiah called his director a "faggot" so his backlash was bound to happen. The same can be said for Snipes. He became so self-centered and believed all the hype. No one wants to work with someone like that.

Milli Vanilli were frauds. Their backlash was meant to happen. They fooled people for years.
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Reply #398 posted 03/21/10 10:22am

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sosgemini said:




[Edited 3/20/10 23:09pm]



Sorry, I don't watch a lot of old movies... I don't get the reference.

dunce lol


Just read his lips, "get out". lol
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Reply #399 posted 03/21/10 10:25am

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prodigalfan said:

That may be true that Snipes scored hits with the Blade movies but his core audience was Black women. When you cater to the masses, when you ar hot you are hot, when you're not, you're not. That is when you fall back on your core supporters to tie you over during the lulls in your career. Wesley cut his core group of supporters off. When he hit a lull, that was it.



Nah...Snipes core audience was not women.....In fact, Snipes had a pretty strong cross demographic of people that watched his movies. The whole "women" fanbase was more back during his Mo Better Blues days....Snipes's fall had more to do with him pissing off the powers that be in Hollywood...It also had to do with Snipes laying heavy on the very same "action" genre that made him become one of the few actors that could command $10 million to $15 million per movie..." But he found that he could no longer ask for that rate when his movies could no longer get distribution from the big movie studios....A few years ago I did a story about Snipe's career fall...Here's a little excerpt that puts things in perspective....

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"The story is this: Wesley Snipes is fighting to save his career. Insiders point to his very public battle with New Line Cinema as the breaking point to his expulsion from Tinsel Town. There were news leaks that while on the set of 2004’s Blade: Trinity, the “difficult” centerpiece of the hit Marvel Comics vampire-hunting franchise was clashing with co-stars as well as writer-director David Goyer. There were rumors that Snipes made physical threats against Goyer over creative control. Snipes’ protests on the set reportedly grew so brazen, that he refused to appear in various fight scenes, prompting Goyer to hire a body double, even allegedly adding on a computer generated face of the disgruntled star.

Snipes then committed what in the movie biz amounts to career suicide: He launched an August 2005 lawsuit against New Line Cinema, claiming the company failed to pay the final $3 million of a $13 million salary and conspired to box him out of the lucrative film series. The lawsuit is still in litigation.
This past July, United Talent Agency, who unceremoniously dropped the veteran actor from its roster, sued Snipes for more than $2 million in unpaid commissions. The action follows a May 2003 headline when Snipes’ $1.7 million, 7, 375 square-foot mansion in Isleworth, Florida was sold on the auction block after he failed to make mortgage payments. His upcoming film Hard Luck, set for an October debut, is coming to a Blockbusters near you, continuing Snipes’ streak of straight-to-DVD releases. Wesley Snipes is now without a major studio home. So, again, why is this man smiling?

“What can they do to hurt me?” questions a defiant Snipes of his critics. An openly spiritual man (he claims to study what he refers to as “ancient African sciences”), Snipes anchors his words with praises like “By the grace of the most high” throughout our conversation. At 44, it seems the Bronx native has hardly aged; his enviable toned ebony face still resembles the young thespian that brilliantly brought the menacing Harlem drug lord Nino Brown to life in New Jack City 15 years ago. The philosophical Snipes claims he has come to terms with his unofficial banishment from the let’s-do-lunch fraternity. He says his increased clout on the movie set over the years became a threat to the powers-that-be. “But at the same time you are clearly the hot hoe on the block,” Snipes adds of his one-time soaring stock. “You’re a blonde walking through the ‘hood. And so if they can’t get it the way they want, [they] will use you and your heat.”

The actor/producer reasons that his battles with Hollywood powerbrokers come down to a lack of respect for a draw that anchored the six-year-old Blade trilogy, which grossed nearly $400 million worldwide and $250 million in domestic DVD sales. He says that Trinity executives were systematically pushing him out of the door before filming even started when they brought in two younger, white characters played by Jessica Biel and Ryan Reynolds to marginalize his lead. For Snipes, a martial arts freak who boast a third degree belt in Ta Kwon Do, he was alarmed by what he saw as a lack of safety on the set. In his eyes, producers did not make the necessary precautions to protect actors during dangerous fighting sequences. “I don’t have anything against New Line,” Snipes says diplomatically. “But I realized some of the other people behind the scenes didn’t have the same concern. What they wanted was, ‘Nigga come to the set.’”

As for his dealings with David Goyer, Snipes muses, “I got credit for threatening people I’ve never threatened. For Mr. Goyer, [Trinity] is the only [big-time] film he ever directed.” Goyer, who is currently co-writer and executive producer of the Blade television series on cable’s Spike TV, would only say to KING of Snipes’ contributions to the franchise, “We knew we had to go a different direction.”
[Edited 3/21/10 10:51am]
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Reply #400 posted 03/21/10 10:39am

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In my humble opinion, this list is a bit silly lol

I think Janet is the only one on this list that was truly black balled. Her situation was blown way out of proportion and she's still dealing with the backlash 6 years later.

OJ murdered 2 people

Issiah called his director a "faggot" so his backlash was bound to happen. The same can be said for Snipes. He became so self-centered and believed all the hype. No one wants to work with someone like that.

Milli Vanilli were frauds. Their backlash was meant to happen. They fooled people for years.


You should do a little more research....Isaiah called a fellow ACTOR "faggot" not a director....Now I don't know about you, but when you have the likes of John Mayer (who I dig) dropping the N-bomb and not being blacklisted in the same way as Washington, then it is what it is...Washington basically apologized to everyone and their mama and still got pushed out of Hollywood...That's called being "blackballed"....

OJ? well, as to whether or not u agreed with the first verdict, I think it's interesting that he became the first "celebrity" to basically become a pariah even after he was found not guilty in a court of law...Now you and I know that celebrities get off for everything from drugs to manslaughter all the time...Yet they are not hunted down like they are a Nazi after the fact...lol....OJ Simpson was indeed a CREEP and a sell-out who killed his wife and her lover for fucking around...But I highly doubt if the furor over Simpson getting off for that crime in court would have been as amplified if he were white...Or if his deceased wife were black...

Milli Vanilli? ....I'm not even going to go into that one....lol
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Reply #401 posted 03/21/10 10:39am

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Like I said before, I think the tax issue is the reason Wesley is in trouble. That and bad film roles and appearances in Chuck Norris' infomercials. lol
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Reply #402 posted 03/21/10 10:44am

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Timmy84 said:

Like I said before, I think the tax issue is the reason Wesley is in trouble. That and bad film roles and appearances in Chuck Norris' infomercials. lol



Not quite...He started doing the "bad movies" after the whole Blade saga with Goyer and the studio...Studios don't like to be sued...And directors don't like to be allegedly threatened...lol....Tax problems are par for the course in Hollywood...That's no reason to not give an actor work or distribution support...Ask Nicolas Cage....
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Reply #403 posted 03/21/10 10:46am

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murph said:

Timmy84 said:

Like I said before, I think the tax issue is the reason Wesley is in trouble. That and bad film roles and appearances in Chuck Norris' infomercials. lol



Not quite...He started doing the "bad movies" after the whole Blade saga with Goyer and the studio...Studios don't like to be sued...And directors don't like to be allegedly threatened...lol....Tax problems are par for the course in Hollywood...That's no reason to not give an actor work or distribution support...Ask Nicolas Cage....
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You mean the "I am Blade!" shit? lol Yeah I can see that being the factor, I almost forgot about that episode, I think several mentioned it here.
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Reply #404 posted 03/21/10 10:51am

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Timmy84 said:

murph said:




Not quite...He started doing the "bad movies" after the whole Blade saga with Goyer and the studio...Studios don't like to be sued...And directors don't like to be allegedly threatened...lol....Tax problems are par for the course in Hollywood...That's no reason to not give an actor work or distribution support...Ask Nicolas Cage....
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You mean the "I am Blade!" shit? lol Yeah I can see that being the factor, I almost forgot about that episode, I think several mentioned it here.


LOL...You can read the excerpt above I pulled from a story I did about Snipes a few years ago explaining his downfall...Had the chance to interview him as well as the very same people he was beefing with...Now today, it's cool to see Snipes back in the big studio movies (Brooklyn's Finest)...But trust me, dude was blackballed not because of taxes or his love for Asian women...lol....The studios had enough of him...
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Reply #405 posted 03/21/10 10:53am

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murph said:

Timmy84 said:



You mean the "I am Blade!" shit? lol Yeah I can see that being the factor, I almost forgot about that episode, I think several mentioned it here.


LOL...You can read the excerpt above I pulled from a story I did about Snipes a few years ago explaining his downfall...Had the chance to interview him as well as the very same people he was beefing with...Now today, it's cool to see Snipes back in the big studio movies (Brooklyn's Finest)...But trust me, dude was blackballed not because of taxes or his love for Asian women...lol....The studios had enough of him...


Gotcha lol
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Reply #406 posted 03/21/10 11:10am

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murph said:

Timmy84 said:

Like I said before, I think the tax issue is the reason Wesley is in trouble. That and bad film roles and appearances in Chuck Norris' infomercials. lol



Not quite...He started doing the "bad movies" after the whole Blade saga with Goyer and the studio...Studios don't like to be sued...And directors don't like to be allegedly threatened...lol....Tax problems are par for the course in Hollywood...That's no reason to not give an actor work or distribution support...Ask Nicolas Cage....


Did Mr. Snipes get a percentage of the gross receipts off the "Blade" franchise and/or merchandise?
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Reply #407 posted 03/21/10 11:14am

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TD3 said:

murph said:




Not quite...He started doing the "bad movies" after the whole Blade saga with Goyer and the studio...Studios don't like to be sued...And directors don't like to be allegedly threatened...lol....Tax problems are par for the course in Hollywood...That's no reason to not give an actor work or distribution support...Ask Nicolas Cage....


Did Mr. Snipes get a percentage of the gross receipts off the "Blade" franchise and/or merchandise?



He got a pretty good chunk of it...As well as a the DVD revenues which were HUGE...
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Reply #408 posted 03/21/10 11:31am

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bboy87 said:


After certain comments Terrence made, Critics felt his ego was getting out of control
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What did he say? And how exactly was he a threat to Mike? I don't get it.


Terrence's first f***-up was when he said that his debut album was going to be bigger than The Beatles' Sgt. Pepper album.

Terrence's white audience in the UK decreased after that.
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Reply #409 posted 03/21/10 11:38am

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I hope you were just as outrage when we had Black men calling use bitches, ho's, cunts and other assorted names in music.


I am and do not support hip/hop "artist" that degrade women. I have better things to do with my money.

Where was all this outrage when some black men pimped and celebrated death and violence? I think the music industry is under the umbrella of ENTERTAINMENT. Where was the outrage? Where were all you Black Women "turning" when this mess was going down? Who did we/you "blackball"? I know, that's different.
Not different to me. And to women that listen and buy music that call women hoes and bitches are foolish. It is a non issue to me since I don't listen to Rap artists.

It never ceases to amaze me our selective outrage.

I'm suppose get bent out of shape because a black man says, 'he doesn't date black women because they nag and won't get him uh drank of wata.. without attitude if asked. Besides, Black men who're successful can pick and choose whomever.... you beta recognize'.
I still feel that you don't bite the hand that feeds you or face starvation. I mean it is your right to insult your audience, just as it was Snipes right and he exercised that right. His core audience exercised their rights. What is your problem with this chain of events?

Of course, countless of black men -many of who don't have a pot to piss in nor a window to throw it out of- have repeated the same drivel. My statement didn't have anything to do with Mr. Snipes movies should be boycotted are not. My opinion spoke to what Mr. Snipes said in his interview with Ebony magazine.
and my opinion was that those remarks were inflammatory to several women that I know personally, I can only imagine how many more. And his career faltering happened after that interview and the uproar that I recalled occurring. I don't think those 2 things were a coincidence. It doesn't even have to do with Snipes stating that he prefers to date non black... just own up to your preference as just that YOUR PREFERENCE. Don't blame Black women because YOU have a PREFERENCE for non black. [/qoute] These Black women who boycotted Mr. Snipes movies, fine. With exception of the movies director Mr. Shelton Jackson "Spike" Lee hired him for, I've never seen Mr. Snipes in anything else. I've don't like his acting.


So, maybe you need to reread my post.
I did re-read your post. YOu stating that you did not find his remarks that inflammatory. My response was in to 2 different people. I specified you and your post becasue that part of my post was in response to your post. I disagree... I found Snipes remarks inflammatory... and the proof was in the pudding... it inflammed readers and caused some resentment... I think that it WAS inflammatory.


I'll repeat: We need to stop allowing Black men define who we are, how they think we should act, or how we see ourselves. My life, my psychological well being doesn't hinge on what Mr. Snipes thinks.

I agree, and I also agree that if Mr. Snipes thinks black women have a foul attitude... and not the black women he dealt with but "Black Women" well, I am sure there are other actors who do not think so lowly of Black women and will appreciate the support.
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Reply #410 posted 03/21/10 11:43am

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murph said:

prodigalfan said:

That may be true that Snipes scored hits with the Blade movies but his core audience was Black women. When you cater to the masses, when you ar hot you are hot, when you're not, you're not. That is when you fall back on your core supporters to tie you over during the lulls in your career. Wesley cut his core group of supporters off. When he hit a lull, that was it.



Nah...Snipes core audience was not women.....In fact, Snipes had a pretty strong cross demographic of people that watched his movies. The whole "women" fanbase was more back during his Mo Better Blues days....Snipes's fall had more to do with him pissing off the powers that be in Hollywood...It also had to do with Snipes laying heavy on the very same "action" genre that made him become one of the few actors that could command $10 million to $15 million per movie..." But he found that he could no longer ask for that rate when his movies could no longer get distribution from the big movie studios....A few years ago I did a story about Snipe's career fall...Here's a little excerpt that puts things in perspective....

----

"The story is this: Wesley Snipes is fighting to save his career. Insiders point to his very public battle with New Line Cinema as the breaking point to his expulsion from Tinsel Town. There were news leaks that while on the set of 2004’s Blade: Trinity, the “difficult” centerpiece of the hit Marvel Comics vampire-hunting franchise was clashing with co-stars as well as writer-director David Goyer. There were rumors that Snipes made physical threats against Goyer over creative control. Snipes’ protests on the set reportedly grew so brazen, that he refused to appear in various fight scenes, prompting Goyer to hire a body double, even allegedly adding on a computer generated face of the disgruntled star.

Snipes then committed what in the movie biz amounts to career suicide: He launched an August 2005 lawsuit against New Line Cinema, claiming the company failed to pay the final $3 million of a $13 million salary and conspired to box him out of the lucrative film series. The lawsuit is still in litigation.
This past July, United Talent Agency, who unceremoniously dropped the veteran actor from its roster, sued Snipes for more than $2 million in unpaid commissions. The action follows a May 2003 headline when Snipes’ $1.7 million, 7, 375 square-foot mansion in Isleworth, Florida was sold on the auction block after he failed to make mortgage payments. His upcoming film Hard Luck, set for an October debut, is coming to a Blockbusters near you, continuing Snipes’ streak of straight-to-DVD releases. Wesley Snipes is now without a major studio home. So, again, why is this man smiling?

“What can they do to hurt me?” questions a defiant Snipes of his critics. An openly spiritual man (he claims to study what he refers to as “ancient African sciences”), Snipes anchors his words with praises like “By the grace of the most high” throughout our conversation. At 44, it seems the Bronx native has hardly aged; his enviable toned ebony face still resembles the young thespian that brilliantly brought the menacing Harlem drug lord Nino Brown to life in New Jack City 15 years ago. The philosophical Snipes claims he has come to terms with his unofficial banishment from the let’s-do-lunch fraternity. He says his increased clout on the movie set over the years became a threat to the powers-that-be. “But at the same time you are clearly the hot hoe on the block,” Snipes adds of his one-time soaring stock. “You’re a blonde walking through the ‘hood. And so if they can’t get it the way they want, [they] will use you and your heat.”

The actor/producer reasons that his battles with Hollywood powerbrokers come down to a lack of respect for a draw that anchored the six-year-old Blade trilogy, which grossed nearly $400 million worldwide and $250 million in domestic DVD sales. He says that Trinity executives were systematically pushing him out of the door before filming even started when they brought in two younger, white characters played by Jessica Biel and Ryan Reynolds to marginalize his lead. For Snipes, a martial arts freak who boast a third degree belt in Ta Kwon Do, he was alarmed by what he saw as a lack of safety on the set. In his eyes, producers did not make the necessary precautions to protect actors during dangerous fighting sequences. “I don’t have anything against New Line,” Snipes says diplomatically. “But I realized some of the other people behind the scenes didn’t have the same concern. What they wanted was, ‘Nigga come to the set.’”

As for his dealings with David Goyer, Snipes muses, “I got credit for threatening people I’ve never threatened. For Mr. Goyer, [Trinity] is the only [big-time] film he ever directed.” Goyer, who is currently co-writer and executive producer of the Blade television series on cable’s Spike TV, would only say to KING of Snipes’ contributions to the franchise, “We knew we had to go a different direction.”
[Edited 3/21/10 10:51am]


Thanks for posting. interesting read. I was never a big fan of Snipes after he left the Mo Better Blues genre. Not a big fan of the martial arts/action movies. I just noticed his movies stopped going to box office and I remembered the hoopla about the Ebony interview and thought the 2 were related. never knew he started Diva moves and moved himself right out of business. Figures... Not surprised at all.
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Reply #411 posted 03/21/10 11:44am

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prodigalfan said:




Sorry, I don't watch a lot of old movies... I don't get the reference.

dunce lol


Just read his lips, "get out". lol



lol So you don't think Musicology was radio friendly without radio support?
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Reply #412 posted 03/21/10 12:36pm

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Reading through the thread, I think there has been a big misconception here....Wesley Snipes did not get blackballed because he liked Asian women more than black women...During the time his statement came out about Asian women being "bedroom generals", the first Blade movie was released and ended up becoming a hit despite his comments...

A few years later, the sequel made even more money...People (and more specifically black folks) were not even thinking of his past comments...Wesley's problems started when he began feuding with the movie studio that released the Blade films as well as director David Goyer...You could virtually do anything in Hollywood from overdose on drugs to be arrested for accidently killing a man from a DUI...But one thing you cannot do is battle the studios...

Wesley sued a studio....He even sued the agency that represented him for wages...That's something you don't do in Hollywood....And Wesley paid the price...

Yeah, I agree. No one in a position of power cares when black women are disrespected as long as the cash flows. I don't think Wesley's comments made it to the "mainstream" and if they did no one cared and I think it had very little impact on his career. shrug
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Reply #413 posted 03/21/10 12:40pm

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murph said:

kenny88 said:

In my humble opinion, this list is a bit silly lol

I think Janet is the only one on this list that was truly black balled. Her situation was blown way out of proportion and she's still dealing with the backlash 6 years later.

OJ murdered 2 people

Issiah called his director a "faggot" so his backlash was bound to happen. The same can be said for Snipes. He became so self-centered and believed all the hype. No one wants to work with someone like that.

Milli Vanilli were frauds. Their backlash was meant to happen. They fooled people for years.


You should do a little more research....Isaiah called a fellow ACTOR "faggot" not a director....Now I don't know about you, but when you have the likes of John Mayer (who I dig) dropping the N-bomb and not being blacklisted in the same way as Washington, then it is what it is...Washington basically apologized to everyone and their mama and still got pushed out of Hollywood...That's called being "blackballed"....

OJ? well, as to whether or not u agreed with the first verdict, I think it's interesting that he became the first "celebrity" to basically become a pariah even after he was found not guilty in a court of law...Now you and I know that celebrities get off for everything from drugs to manslaughter all the time...Yet they are not hunted down like they are a Nazi after the fact...lol....OJ Simpson was indeed a CREEP and a sell-out who killed his wife and her lover for fucking around...But I highly doubt if the furor over Simpson getting off for that crime in court would have been as amplified if he were white...Or if his deceased wife were black...

Milli Vanilli? ....I'm not even going to go into that one....lol
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Good point.
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kenny88 said:

In my humble opinion, this list is a bit silly lol

I think Janet is the only one on this list that was truly black balled. Her situation was blown way out of proportion and she's still dealing with the backlash 6 years later.

OJ murdered 2 people

Issiah called his director a "faggot" so his backlash was bound to happen. The same can be said for Snipes. He became so self-centered and believed all the hype. No one wants to work with someone like that.

Milli Vanilli were frauds. Their backlash was meant to happen. They fooled people for years.


You should do a little more research....Isaiah called a fellow ACTOR "faggot" not a director....Now I don't know about you, but when you have the likes of John Mayer (who I dig) dropping the N-bomb and not being blacklisted in the same way as Washington, then it is what it is...Washington basically apologized to everyone and their mama and still got pushed out of Hollywood...That's called being "blackballed"....

OJ? well, as to whether or not u agreed with the first verdict, I think it's interesting that he became the first "celebrity" to basically become a pariah even after he was found not guilty in a court of law...Now you and I know that celebrities get off for everything from drugs to manslaughter all the time...Yet they are not hunted down like they are a Nazi after the fact...lol....OJ Simpson was indeed a CREEP and a sell-out who killed his wife and her lover for fucking around...But I highly doubt if the furor over Simpson getting off for that crime in court would have been as amplified if he were white...Or if his deceased wife were black...

Milli Vanilli? ....I'm not even going to go into that one....lol
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I started a thread a few months ago talking about Isaiah and how his career came to a halt after that despite his apologies. He even lost his home cuz he can't find work. Folks insisted he's not being treated any different. rolleyes
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Reading through the thread, I think there has been a big misconception here....Wesley Snipes did not get blackballed because he liked Asian women more than black women...During the time his statement came out about Asian women being "bedroom generals", the first Blade movie was released and ended up becoming a hit despite his comments...

A few years later, the sequel made even more money...People (and more specifically black folks) were not even thinking of his past comments...Wesley's problems started when he began feuding with the movie studio that released the Blade films as well as director David Goyer...You could virtually do anything in Hollywood from overdose on drugs to be arrested for accidently killing a man from a DUI...But one thing you cannot do is battle the studios...

Wesley sued a studio....He even sued the agency that represented him for wages...That's something you don't do in Hollywood....And Wesley paid the price...

Yeah, I agree. No one in a position of power cares when black women are disrespected as long as the cash flows. I don't think Wesley's comments made it to the "mainstream" and if they did no one cared and I think it had very little impact on his career. shrug


Neither do we. To demand respect you have self-respect and it appears it's in short supply in the African American community.
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SCNDLS said:


Yeah, I agree. No one in a position of power cares when black women are disrespected as long as the cash flows. I don't think Wesley's comments made it to the "mainstream" and if they did no one cared and I think it had very little impact on his career. shrug


Neither do we. To demand respect you have self-respect and it appears it's in short supply in the African American community.

True, but we aren't in a position of power in the entertainment industry which is moreso what I'm talking about.
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TD3 said:



Neither do we. To demand respect you have self-respect and it appears it's in short supply in the African American community.

True


It hurts my heart to say so....when we have the infinite possibilities to do positive, great things. I'll leave at that I've gotten upset.....
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That may be true that Snipes scored hits with the Blade movies but his core audience was Black women. When you cater to the masses, when you ar hot you are hot, when you're not, you're not. That is when you fall back on your core supporters to tie you over during the lulls in your career. Wesley cut his core group of supporters off. When he hit a lull, that was it.



Nah...Snipes core audience was not women.....In fact, Snipes had a pretty strong cross demographic of people that watched his movies. The whole "women" fanbase was more back during his Mo Better Blues days....Snipes's fall had more to do with him pissing off the powers that be in Hollywood...It also had to do with Snipes laying heavy on the very same "action" genre that made him become one of the few actors that could command $10 million to $15 million per movie..." But he found that he could no longer ask for that rate when his movies could no longer get distribution from the big movie studios....A few years ago I did a story about Snipe's career fall...Here's a little excerpt that puts things in perspective....

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"The story is this: Wesley Snipes is fighting to save his career. Insiders point to his very public battle with New Line Cinema as the breaking point to his expulsion from Tinsel Town. There were news leaks that while on the set of 2004’s Blade: Trinity, the “difficult” centerpiece of the hit Marvel Comics vampire-hunting franchise was clashing with co-stars as well as writer-director David Goyer. There were rumors that Snipes made physical threats against Goyer over creative control. Snipes’ protests on the set reportedly grew so brazen, that he refused to appear in various fight scenes, prompting Goyer to hire a body double, even allegedly adding on a computer generated face of the disgruntled star.

Snipes then committed what in the movie biz amounts to career suicide: He launched an August 2005 lawsuit against New Line Cinema, claiming the company failed to pay the final $3 million of a $13 million salary and conspired to box him out of the lucrative film series. The lawsuit is still in litigation.
This past July, United Talent Agency, who unceremoniously dropped the veteran actor from its roster, sued Snipes for more than $2 million in unpaid commissions. The action follows a May 2003 headline when Snipes’ $1.7 million, 7, 375 square-foot mansion in Isleworth, Florida was sold on the auction block after he failed to make mortgage payments. His upcoming film Hard Luck, set for an October debut, is coming to a Blockbusters near you, continuing Snipes’ streak of straight-to-DVD releases. Wesley Snipes is now without a major studio home. So, again, why is this man smiling?

“What can they do to hurt me?” questions a defiant Snipes of his critics. An openly spiritual man (he claims to study what he refers to as “ancient African sciences”), Snipes anchors his words with praises like “By the grace of the most high” throughout our conversation. At 44, it seems the Bronx native has hardly aged; his enviable toned ebony face still resembles the young thespian that brilliantly brought the menacing Harlem drug lord Nino Brown to life in New Jack City 15 years ago. The philosophical Snipes claims he has come to terms with his unofficial banishment from the let’s-do-lunch fraternity. He says his increased clout on the movie set over the years became a threat to the powers-that-be. “But at the same time you are clearly the hot hoe on the block,” Snipes adds of his one-time soaring stock. “You’re a blonde walking through the ‘hood. And so if they can’t get it the way they want, [they] will use you and your heat.”

The actor/producer reasons that his battles with Hollywood powerbrokers come down to a lack of respect for a draw that anchored the six-year-old Blade trilogy, which grossed nearly $400 million worldwide and $250 million in domestic DVD sales. He says that Trinity executives were systematically pushing him out of the door before filming even started when they brought in two younger, white characters played by Jessica Biel and Ryan Reynolds to marginalize his lead. For Snipes, a martial arts freak who boast a third degree belt in Ta Kwon Do, he was alarmed by what he saw as a lack of safety on the set. In his eyes, producers did not make the necessary precautions to protect actors during dangerous fighting sequences. “I don’t have anything against New Line,” Snipes says diplomatically. “But I realized some of the other people behind the scenes didn’t have the same concern. What they wanted was, ‘Nigga come to the set.’”

As for his dealings with David Goyer, Snipes muses, “I got credit for threatening people I’ve never threatened. For Mr. Goyer, [Trinity] is the only [big-time] film he ever directed.” Goyer, who is currently co-writer and executive producer of the Blade television series on cable’s Spike TV, would only say to KING of Snipes’ contributions to the franchise, “We knew we had to go a different direction.”
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THAT^ is the exact report that I've read.

Now how come there has never been this kind of drama behind the scenes of Spiderman?!?
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Nah...Snipes core audience was not women.....In fact, Snipes had a pretty strong cross demographic of people that watched his movies. The whole "women" fanbase was more back during his Mo Better Blues days....Snipes's fall had more to do with him pissing off the powers that be in Hollywood...It also had to do with Snipes laying heavy on the very same "action" genre that made him become one of the few actors that could command $10 million to $15 million per movie..." But he found that he could no longer ask for that rate when his movies could no longer get distribution from the big movie studios....A few years ago I did a story about Snipe's career fall...Here's a little excerpt that puts things in perspective....

----

"The story is this: Wesley Snipes is fighting to save his career. Insiders point to his very public battle with New Line Cinema as the breaking point to his expulsion from Tinsel Town. There were news leaks that while on the set of 2004’s Blade: Trinity, the “difficult” centerpiece of the hit Marvel Comics vampire-hunting franchise was clashing with co-stars as well as writer-director David Goyer. There were rumors that Snipes made physical threats against Goyer over creative control. Snipes’ protests on the set reportedly grew so brazen, that he refused to appear in various fight scenes, prompting Goyer to hire a body double, even allegedly adding on a computer generated face of the disgruntled star.

Snipes then committed what in the movie biz amounts to career suicide: He launched an August 2005 lawsuit against New Line Cinema, claiming the company failed to pay the final $3 million of a $13 million salary and conspired to box him out of the lucrative film series. The lawsuit is still in litigation.
This past July, United Talent Agency, who unceremoniously dropped the veteran actor from its roster, sued Snipes for more than $2 million in unpaid commissions. The action follows a May 2003 headline when Snipes’ $1.7 million, 7, 375 square-foot mansion in Isleworth, Florida was sold on the auction block after he failed to make mortgage payments. His upcoming film Hard Luck, set for an October debut, is coming to a Blockbusters near you, continuing Snipes’ streak of straight-to-DVD releases. Wesley Snipes is now without a major studio home. So, again, why is this man smiling?

“What can they do to hurt me?” questions a defiant Snipes of his critics. An openly spiritual man (he claims to study what he refers to as “ancient African sciences”), Snipes anchors his words with praises like “By the grace of the most high” throughout our conversation. At 44, it seems the Bronx native has hardly aged; his enviable toned ebony face still resembles the young thespian that brilliantly brought the menacing Harlem drug lord Nino Brown to life in New Jack City 15 years ago. The philosophical Snipes claims he has come to terms with his unofficial banishment from the let’s-do-lunch fraternity. He says his increased clout on the movie set over the years became a threat to the powers-that-be. “But at the same time you are clearly the hot hoe on the block,” Snipes adds of his one-time soaring stock. “You’re a blonde walking through the ‘hood. And so if they can’t get it the way they want, [they] will use you and your heat.”

The actor/producer reasons that his battles with Hollywood powerbrokers come down to a lack of respect for a draw that anchored the six-year-old Blade trilogy, which grossed nearly $400 million worldwide and $250 million in domestic DVD sales. He says that Trinity executives were systematically pushing him out of the door before filming even started when they brought in two younger, white characters played by Jessica Biel and Ryan Reynolds to marginalize his lead. For Snipes, a martial arts freak who boast a third degree belt in Ta Kwon Do, he was alarmed by what he saw as a lack of safety on the set. In his eyes, producers did not make the necessary precautions to protect actors during dangerous fighting sequences. “I don’t have anything against New Line,” Snipes says diplomatically. “But I realized some of the other people behind the scenes didn’t have the same concern. What they wanted was, ‘Nigga come to the set.’”

As for his dealings with David Goyer, Snipes muses, “I got credit for threatening people I’ve never threatened. For Mr. Goyer, [Trinity] is the only [big-time] film he ever directed.” Goyer, who is currently co-writer and executive producer of the Blade television series on cable’s Spike TV, would only say to KING of Snipes’ contributions to the franchise, “We knew we had to go a different direction.”
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THAT^ is the exact report that I've read.

Now how come there has never been this kind of drama behind the scenes of Spiderman?!?


Like when Toby tried to hold out for more $ claimng he hurt his back?


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