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Reply #60 posted 12/25/09 6:20pm

Harlepolis

Vendetta1 said:

Prospect said:

Steve Harvey is a fucking simp. He just tells people (women especially) what they wanna hear.
I cannot stand him. I am trying to figure out how he is an expert in anything. Listening to his radio show, I would say he has a few misogynistic issues himself.


Why the hell were you listening to his show? Knowing you, you'd end up with a stroke eventually, Ivy:lol:
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Reply #61 posted 12/25/09 6:21pm

Vendetta1

Harlepolis said:

Prospect said:

Steve Harvey is a fucking simp. He just tells people (women especially) what they wanna hear.


Not this woman lol

I could see through his bullshit a mile away,,,,,but I give credit where its due, other than his cringe worthy generalization of black men, I'd say the man is on to something.

Speaking of which, did anybody here read his alleged novel? lol I've yet to see folks in here talking about it.
TD3 read it.

I'm not interested in reading anything his no talking ass has to say. The title is even a turnoff.

"Think Like a Woman. Act Like a Man". The problem is people keep acting instead of being who they truly are because they are trying to live up to some society standard. Men and women should stop playing games with each other and be real.
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Reply #62 posted 12/25/09 6:26pm

Harlepolis

Vendetta1 said:

Harlepolis said:



Not this woman lol

I could see through his bullshit a mile away,,,,,but I give credit where its due, other than his cringe worthy generalization of black men, I'd say the man is on to something.

Speaking of which, did anybody here read his alleged novel? lol I've yet to see folks in here talking about it.
TD3 read it.

I'm not interested in reading anything his no talking ass has to say. The title is even a turnoff.

"Think Like a Woman. Act Like a Man". The problem is people keep acting instead of being who they truly are because they are trying to live up to some society standard. Men and women should stop playing games with each other and be real.


When a book/author, so called lol generates a HEAP of strong feelings,,,,I'm UP lurking

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Reply #63 posted 12/25/09 6:30pm

angel345

Linn4days said:

ThreadBare said:

No, other folks degrade women, too. rolleyes

Steve has found his cash cow, and he's milking it for all he can.

I wonder if he gets hate mail from Terry McMillan for stealing her hustle.



Cater to women to get their $$$$?


Tell them that women are never to be blamed for misogny?


A good number of women love to tame a Misogynist.. They love it. They love being seen as sex objects by a man who is a Misogynist. A man who is known for chasing and gaining attractive women, can make a woman feel proud about her looks. It's vanity. They just want to be the "special one" to end his game. The Queen who tames the Tiger.. especially a rich tiger..(no pun intended-npi).
Being a Thug was not cool until they appeared on Videos and TV, and promoted by 2Pac..

Before the late 90's, "thugs" were drunk Irishmen fighting in pubs, and Europeans fighting after soccer games..

NWA promoted "ganstas". 2 Pac promoted Thugs or Thugz. lol


These women already know why they are single.


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[Edited 12/25/09 10:48am]

If these attractive women don't respect themselves, what makes a person think that those "gansta" rappers will. Most of these rappers have illegitimate children spreaded as a result, and not to say Mick Jagger don't. Therefore, I do agree with some that certain black women are part of the problem, so they are part of the solution. They don't get a pass, and watching Chris Rock talking about it, confirms this.
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Reply #64 posted 12/25/09 6:32pm

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Vendetta1 said:

Harlepolis said:

And before you guys say "well white people do it too and blah blah blah".

Should we still give ourselves a pass for doing the same bullshit when we should do better? confused
hug you are awesome.

Can we also discuss how women and not just black women allow themselves to be degraded? Can't nobody do something to you that you don't let them.

Very true nod
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Reply #65 posted 12/25/09 6:32pm

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midiscover said:

Prospect said:

Steve Harvey is a fucking simp. He just tells people (women especially) what they wanna hear.


Basically.


He's just feeding people what the media wants the public to believe.

So everything he's saying is utter bullshit?
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Reply #66 posted 12/25/09 6:35pm

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Harlepolis said:

Prospect said:

Steve Harvey is a fucking simp. He just tells people (women especially) what they wanna hear.


Not this woman lol

I could see through his bullshit a mile away,,,,,but I give credit where its due, other than his cringe worthy generalization of black men, I'd say the man is on to something.

Speaking of which, did anybody here read his alleged novel? lol I've yet to see folks in here talking about it.

I was curious so I bought it, still reading it. I think he heaps a load of responsibility onto women in terms of repairing relationships. But I agree w/ his basic point about the values women set for themselves & not settling for dumb shit. Of course whatever truth might be in that point gets overshadowed by his relationship history, but I think it's a good basic point.
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Reply #67 posted 12/25/09 6:35pm

Vendetta1

Harlepolis said:

Vendetta1 said:

TD3 read it.

I'm not interested in reading anything his no talking ass has to say. The title is even a turnoff.

"Think Like a Woman. Act Like a Man". The problem is people keep acting instead of being who they truly are because they are trying to live up to some society standard. Men and women should stop playing games with each other and be real.


When a book/author, so called lol generates a HEAP of strong feelings,,,,I'm UP lurking

Thats why I read the Superhead book lurking
falloff

Not interested in that one either. I've seen what she does. I'm not impressed. lol
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Reply #68 posted 12/25/09 6:41pm

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Harlepolis said:

ernestsewell said:


And just to reference Sunsetdriver1999's comment about Steve being a black Dr. Phil., and my rebuttal - let's not forget that Bill Cosby is, in fact, holds a Doctorate degree (in Education), and is quite smart when it comes to social issues, although he's had a few rants that have went a bit off the curve.


None of his rants went off the curve,,,,they simply triggered alot of guilty emotions by stating issues that some folks would like them to be left unsaid, hence the "Bill is a grumby old man, who lived his whole life among the bourgeoisie and doesn't know his way back to the neighborhood and now he's airing our dirty laundry to white folks" tirades.

Its easier to shoot the messenger as opposed to deal with their news,,,,and thats exactly what Dr.Cosby brought to the table, OLD NEWS that nobody wanted to hear.

Calm down. I wasn't bashing Bill. I happen to love Bill, since way before The Cosby Show in the 80's.
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Reply #69 posted 12/25/09 6:45pm

Harlepolis

ernestsewell said:

Harlepolis said:



None of his rants went off the curve,,,,they simply triggered alot of guilty emotions by stating issues that some folks would like them to be left unsaid, hence the "Bill is a grumby old man, who lived his whole life among the bourgeoisie and doesn't know his way back to the neighborhood and now he's airing our dirty laundry to white folks" tirades.

Its easier to shoot the messenger as opposed to deal with their news,,,,and thats exactly what Dr.Cosby brought to the table, OLD NEWS that nobody wanted to hear.

Calm down. I wasn't bashing Bill. I happen to love Bill, since way before The Cosby Show in the 80's.


I am calm,,,,and it wasn't an attack on you wink just an observation.
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Reply #70 posted 12/25/09 7:05pm

ernestsewell

Harlepolis said:

ernestsewell said:


Calm down. I wasn't bashing Bill. I happen to love Bill, since way before The Cosby Show in the 80's.


I am calm,,,,and it wasn't an attack on you wink just an observation.

Got it. wink
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Reply #71 posted 12/25/09 9:52pm

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“We forgot to teach th...stuff.”

Interesting choice of words, cool vs hard.....

Mr. Harvey didn't use words such as, ethics, empathy, integrity, respect, self-respect nor self worth but cool. What did being cool do for black men or our community? Not a damn thing, Mr. Harvey is a foolish man.
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Reply #72 posted 12/26/09 1:25am

abigail05

It might be simplistic, but I don't think it's foolish at all.

Why not embrace the good points of what he has to say, instead of breaking it down in order to call him an idiot. It does nothing to improve the situation.
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Reply #73 posted 12/26/09 7:11pm

ThreadBare

I'm not saying Harvey doesn't have points. He clearly does. And, I'm all for brothers respecting women.

I'm saying, however, that his shift in recent years to catering to black women has been pretty obvious.

Having seen the way some ministers go after brothers in church to play up their female membership (or worse, to play them, in some cases), I gotta call it like I see it.

It's called working a market.
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Reply #74 posted 12/26/09 10:18pm

gdiminished

Hip Hop really doesn't help the overall situation in the Black Community, it has done more harm than good.

However, that shouldn't be the sole reason for the outlandish behavior I see in Black youth. Yet, you can't place it all on them, they just lack the male role-models needed for a proper upbringing.

Poor parenting and you get poor results, so the problem lies at the homefront.
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Reply #75 posted 12/27/09 12:06am

DesireeNevermi
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Well at it's root, black men are responsible for the misogyny in hip hop but how does one separate the two? That's like trying to separate attitudes about boozing and dying from country music. And isn't Steve kind of caught up in the misogynistic mix himself? He has that book "act like a lady, think like a man". why should a woman have to go against her nature (the way we think) to appease a man? He even says in his intro that women are to forget everything they have learned and been taught about men(and much the same things women have been taught are in his book).

Misogyny is not just about objectifying women but about not trusting them and trying to change them into something that a patriarchal society can control and manipulate. Hip Hop is not responsible for misogyny but it sure aint helpin' the situation.
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Reply #76 posted 12/27/09 3:21pm

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Harlepolis said:

jeami said:

Steve Harvey has a point, but the people that need to hear the message aren't listening. People have been complaining about the current state of hip hop for several years now, but the record companies haven't changed yet. They keep releasing the same old BS.
The only way hip hop will change is if the record companies can't make a profit/musicians refuse to make this kind of music anymore. The statistics show that the majority of the people that buy hip hop CDs are white. This leads me to believe that white America likes it when minorities make fools of themselves. I'm sure there are plenty of musicians that create positive, uplifting music, but the record companies are not interested. Unfortunately, there are plenty of musicians that are willing to be used as puppets, so this doesn't help our image in pop culture.


Nail.Meet.Head.

Pre-NWA, record labels were afraid to touch "hard" rappers and when they slowly but surely invaded the scene,,,they adopted the "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em" method, true to their form.

If artists collectively defied this bullshit,,,you better believe that record companies will jump on the bandwagon too.

As far as black folks making fools of themselves,,,,,coonery & buffoonery has ALWAYS been a big profit, its not a coincidence that Tyler Perry is the most prominent black filmmaker(and the ONLY black filmmaker with a steady work).

But I can't blame white folks alone, we share a BIG chunk of the blame as well,,,,,Its like Spike Lee said "When John Singelton made Boyz N' The Hood, the theaters were flooded but when he made Rosewood, nobody showed up".

A shit load of us will be ready to fight you if you talked shit about Tyler Perry but will nod if you talked the same way about Spike Lee instead.

[Edited 12/24/09 17:30pm]

nod to a tee.
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Reply #77 posted 12/28/09 7:00pm

joseph8

Linn4days said:

ThreadBare said:

No, other folks degrade women, too. rolleyes

Steve has found his cash cow, and he's milking it for all he can.

I wonder if he gets hate mail from Terry McMillan for stealing her hustle.



Cater to women to get their $$$$?


Tell them that women are never to be blamed for misogny?


A good number of women love to tame a Misogynist.. They love it. They love being seen as sex objects by a man who is a Misogynist. A man who is known for chasing and gaining attractive women, can make a woman feel proud about her looks. It's vanity. They just want to be the "special one" to end his game. The Queen who tames the Tiger.. especially a rich tiger..(no pun intended-npi).

Being a Thug was not cool until they appeared on Videos and TV, and promoted by 2Pac..

Before the late 90's, "thugs" were drunk Irishmen fighting in pubs, and Europeans fighting after soccer games..

NWA promoted "ganstas". 2 Pac promoted Thugs or Thugz. lol


These women already know why they are single.


YHWH is Elohim and Yahoshua is King
[Edited 12/25/09 10:48am]

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Reply #78 posted 12/29/09 8:07am

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ThreadBare said:

No, other folks degrade women, too. rolleyes

Steve has found his cash cow, and he's milking it for all he can.

I wonder if he gets hate mail from Terry McMillan for stealing her hustle.


Exactly. Lets not forget about white men in most classic rock/metal bands that has push the misogyny card for years BEFORE black men did it in hip-hop/rap.
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Reply #79 posted 12/29/09 8:35am

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jeami said:

Steve Harvey has a point, but the people that need to hear the message aren't listening. People have been complaining about the current state of hip hop for several years now, but the record companies haven't changed yet. They keep releasing the same old BS.
The only way hip hop will change is if the record companies can't make a profit/musicians refuse to make this kind of music anymore. The statistics show that the majority of the people that buy hip hop CDs are white. This leads me to believe that white America likes it when minorities make fools of themselves. I'm sure there are plenty of musicians that create positive, uplifting music, but the record companies are not interested. Unfortunately, there are plenty of musicians that are willing to be used as puppets, so this doesn't help our image in pop culture.


They not even selling so confuse
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Reply #80 posted 12/29/09 11:14am

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When exactly did hip hop become misogynistic b/c I swear it seems like it's always been that way even before the big bad white executives starting seeing dollar signs. confused
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Reply #81 posted 12/29/09 12:09pm

Harlepolis

DesireeNevermind said:

When exactly did hip hop become misogynistic b/c I swear it seems like it's always been that way even before the big bad white executives starting seeing dollar signs. confused


Not true.

Rap when it 1st started was ALL about respect and empowerment. Both characteristics are considered "lame" now by some.
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Reply #82 posted 12/29/09 12:24pm

Vendetta1

Harlepolis said:

DesireeNevermind said:

When exactly did hip hop become misogynistic b/c I swear it seems like it's always been that way even before the big bad white executives starting seeing dollar signs. confused


Not true.

Rap when it 1st started was ALL about respect and empowerment. Both characteristics are considered "lame" now by some.
Isn't that INSANE? lol

remember how people dogged Will Smith and said his rap was corny?
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Reply #83 posted 12/29/09 1:31pm

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Vendetta1 said:

Harlepolis said:



When a book/author, so called lol generates a HEAP of strong feelings,,,,I'm UP lurking

Thats why I read the Superhead book lurking
falloff

Not interested in that one either. I've seen what she does. I'm not impressed. lol

I watched it twice...for research


lol
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Reply #84 posted 12/29/09 1:42pm

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Vendetta1 said:

Harlepolis said:



Not true.

Rap when it 1st started was ALL about respect and empowerment. Both characteristics are considered "lame" now by some.
Isn't that INSANE? lol

remember how people dogged Will Smith and said his rap was corny?




and Hammer too nod
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Reply #85 posted 12/29/09 1:42pm

Vendetta1

bboy87 said:

Vendetta1 said:

falloff

Not interested in that one either. I've seen what she does. I'm not impressed. lol

I watched it twice...for research


lol
I laughed my ass off when I saw the movie. lol
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Reply #86 posted 12/29/09 1:53pm

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Vendetta1 said:

bboy87 said:


I watched it twice...for research


lol
I laughed my ass off when I saw the movie. lol

You can tell the money from the book helped her cuz ole girl was suckin' dick with stride but hadn't had a touch up on those roots in a hot minute lol
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Reply #87 posted 12/29/09 2:01pm

Vendetta1

bboy87 said:

Vendetta1 said:

I laughed my ass off when I saw the movie. lol

You can tell the money from the book helped her cuz ole girl was suckin' dick with stride but hadn't had a touch up on those roots in a hot minute lol
falloff

I can't believe you paid attention to that. lol

I was busy checking out her handjob, I mean her head game. rolleyes
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Reply #88 posted 12/29/09 2:36pm

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Harlepolis said:

DesireeNevermind said:

When exactly did hip hop become misogynistic b/c I swear it seems like it's always been that way even before the big bad white executives starting seeing dollar signs. confused


Not true.

Rap when it 1st started was ALL about respect and empowerment. Both characteristics are considered "lame" now by some.



I think the earliest misogynistic lyrics that come to mind for me may have been NWA cuz they had some line about beating somebody's mother or some shit (Straight Outta Compton) and sang about hoodrats. I think Eazy E was among the first rappers to refer to women as bitches in interviews. However, it seems misogyny in hip hop/rap just ballooned in the 90s maybe starting with Biggie. shrug
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Reply #89 posted 12/29/09 3:45pm

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All Hip Hop did was start reporting the news and the news just happened to be bad.”

There has been debate within the African-American community to figure out exactly what happened in the relations between Black men and Black women and why females are depicted and treated so negatively.

The finger of blame has been pointed directly at Hip Hop as the culprit of the images displayed on television and the lyrics rapped on records. This only feeds into the minds of the consumer and force feeds them into believing that this is how women are meant to be treated.

That is, however, only one side of the coin and only one perception being displayed.

Blame is placed on other outlets in order to relieve the strain from the image that are reflected in the mirror. Men didn't just start degrading women in Hip Hop, it started way before then and just happened to transition to it.

Releasing the book, Act Like A Lady, Think Like A Man, Steve Harvey caught up with Rollingout.com to speak on how Black men haven't taken charge to mold the minds of the younger generation and make them realize the error of their ways.

“We forgot to teach the generation under us the business of just being cool. We messed around and let cool go out of style. Now they replaced cool with hard. Now ain't nobody cool no more, everybody wanna be hard now. Once you take cool out the business, cool affects a lot of stuff.”

The ripple effect has promoted negativity and as young Black men have continued to embrace this aspect, they believe that it's acceptable and bring it with them to rap and usher in a negative misconception of how women should be regarded.

“We are the only race of people, Black men, that degrade our women in our music. We are the only race of people, how did we manage to do that?”

Citing that being a gangster is locally accepted now, Harvey adds that men feel that emotions are irrelevant and only stand behind what makes them feel as though they are “hard."

“It has resulted in how we talk to our women. We don't talk to our women smooth no more cause we ain't cool no more. Now we talk to our women hard.”

No matter how much people look at the television and debate and say, ‘Look at the music, this is what kids feed into,' let's take a better look at the history that had pimps and gangsters. Every perception conceived is originated from real life situations.

“It ain't Hip Hop's fault, we caused all of this to happen. If we would get in the business and teach our young men the business of how to be men, we could stop some of this, but we steady pointing our finger at them saying, ‘Hip Hop did this and Hip Hop did that.'

So to end the debate, Hip Hop was not and is not the reason behind the “hatred of women” that exists in the African-American community and makes men treat them like trash. History and a lack of growth within men has created a rift where it is considered routine, which is utter ignorance. Older generations point at the youth, but why blame when you can teach? Why allow ignorance to continue and even engage in it instead of providing the younger generation a clear view of how things should be?

Hopefully, there will be a mass enlightenment, but that's very doubtful. In the end, the world will blame Black people as Black people blame each other. It is time to take charge and find a way to educate instead of continuing to let stupidity flood the culture.


He's one to talk, he tried to cheat his ex-wife out of millions!!!
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