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Thread started 12/05/09 6:35am

mistatee

Aaliyah overrated

There! I said it.
I understand a lot of people like her and i will probably get slaughtered for saying that she is overrated but I think she really is/was.

I do like some of her songs. But that's basically because she was making herself sound as sexy as possible over Timbaland beats when his sound was still new and innovative.
I do think she was very attractive and she had some talent as well but can someone please explain me why people think she was so great?

She sings worse than Janet Jackson, it's more like a sigh when she sings.
Have never heard her sing/scream her lungs out, probably cuz it wouldn't sound good.
I'm not saying everybody has to sing like whitney houston to be a great female singer, but I really don't think she was supertalented.

Prove me wrong please.
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Reply #1 posted 12/05/09 6:43am

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she could sing in Latin

she could dance different styles

she could truly act with a range of emotion

so no I can't cosign with overrated. sad
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Reply #2 posted 12/05/09 6:50am

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You've listened to her, obviously, so you have formed your opinion that she is over-rated. So, with that being said, how is anyone going to prove you wrong, since your mind is made up? Either you like her, or you don't, and you clearly don't care for her, so nobody will be able to "prove you wrong". cool
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Reply #3 posted 12/05/09 7:05am

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I don't think she is overrated maily because she delivered her best album (and one of the best R&B albums ever) 1 month before she died. Her other two albums were good too but if there was no 'Aaliyah' album I would agree with u. She had huge promice and she left us at the top of her game. RIP
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How is she rated? People make her out to be some kind of legend because she died young, but I don't hear many saying she was a great vocalist. I think she had a pleasant, but limited voice and used it well. On her last CD before she died, I remember thinking she was really coming along vocally. Songs like "I Care 4 U" and "It's Whatever" reflected her growth, I remember thinking.

I did hate how everyone started gushing over her after her death, because I remember few were checking on that last CD of hers while she was alive. And a lot of people slept on "We Need A Resolution," too (which still remains a fave of mine).
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Reply #5 posted 12/05/09 7:09am

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Reply #6 posted 12/05/09 7:18am

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bettybop said:

How is she rated? People make her out to be some kind of legend because she died young, but I don't hear many saying she was a great vocalist. I think she had a pleasant, but limited voice and used it well. On her last CD before she died, I remember thinking she was really coming along vocally. Songs like "I Care 4 U" and "It's Whatever" reflected her growth, I remember thinking.

I did hate how everyone started gushing over her after her death, because I remember few were checking on that last CD of hers while she was alive. And a lot of people slept on "We Need A Resolution," too (which still remains a fave of mine).


I agree i can remember very little talk on that whole album, till she died. The album itself was not doing well in terms of sales for her, had she not died, the album would have been one of those under-rated classics that never got spoken on. I mean there was even debates going on at her label about "more than a woman" being a single and "rock the boat" not being a single, but of course both ending up being one. But for tracks like "I refuse" and "What if" and "those were the days" that is where Aaiyah was stepping out of this RB chick "thing" and growing, but sadly no one was talking about that for the most part.

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Reply #7 posted 12/05/09 7:22am

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ditto
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Reply #8 posted 12/05/09 7:27am

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But she isnt the first to be Over-rated in death. I mean Kurt Cobain listed as one the Top 10 best guitarists of all time? Ahead of people like Eddie Van Halen and Brian May?

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Reply #9 posted 12/05/09 7:30am

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lastdecember said:

bettybop said:

How is she rated? People make her out to be some kind of legend because she died young, but I don't hear many saying she was a great vocalist. I think she had a pleasant, but limited voice and used it well. On her last CD before she died, I remember thinking she was really coming along vocally. Songs like "I Care 4 U" and "It's Whatever" reflected her growth, I remember thinking.

I did hate how everyone started gushing over her after her death, because I remember few were checking on that last CD of hers while she was alive. And a lot of people slept on "We Need A Resolution," too (which still remains a fave of mine).


I agree i can remember very little talk on that whole album, till she died. The album itself was not doing well in terms of sales for her, had she not died, the album would have been one of those under-rated classics that never got spoken on. I mean there was even debates going on at her label about "more than a woman" being a single and "rock the boat" not being a single, but of course both ending up being one. But for tracks like "I refuse" and "What if" and "those were the days" that is where Aaiyah was stepping out of this RB chick "thing" and growing, but sadly no one was talking about that for the most part.



,,,the same album that was #2 the first week it came out, second to Alicia Keys debut. That's the album "no one was checking for?" Off a single "no one was listening to?" rolleyes She had just started promoting the other singles. The album had already been rated highly by critics.
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Reply #10 posted 12/05/09 7:33am

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BklynBabe said:

lastdecember said:



I agree i can remember very little talk on that whole album, till she died. The album itself was not doing well in terms of sales for her, had she not died, the album would have been one of those under-rated classics that never got spoken on. I mean there was even debates going on at her label about "more than a woman" being a single and "rock the boat" not being a single, but of course both ending up being one. But for tracks like "I refuse" and "What if" and "those were the days" that is where Aaiyah was stepping out of this RB chick "thing" and growing, but sadly no one was talking about that for the most part.



,,,the same album that was #2 the first week it came out, second to Alicia Keys debut. That's the album "no one was checking for?" Off a single "no one was listening to?" rolleyes She had just started promoting the other singles. The album had already been rated highly by critics.

Yes, that is the CD I am talking about. You can say what ya want, but I remember people talking about the CD sucking and they weren't feeling her new sound/vibe. It DID get great reviews from critics, and it was her best CD-that was why I was disappointed at the initial reception. So rolleyes back at you.
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Reply #11 posted 12/05/09 7:38am

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BklynBabe said:

lastdecember said:



I agree i can remember very little talk on that whole album, till she died. The album itself was not doing well in terms of sales for her, had she not died, the album would have been one of those under-rated classics that never got spoken on. I mean there was even debates going on at her label about "more than a woman" being a single and "rock the boat" not being a single, but of course both ending up being one. But for tracks like "I refuse" and "What if" and "those were the days" that is where Aaiyah was stepping out of this RB chick "thing" and growing, but sadly no one was talking about that for the most part.



,,,the same album that was #2 the first week it came out, second to Alicia Keys debut. That's the album "no one was checking for?" Off a single "no one was listening to?" rolleyes She had just started promoting the other singles. The album had already been rated highly by critics.


But it had hit its peak, yes it was "critically" acclaimed somewhat quietly, and a debut at number 2 is not hard in these days, it moved a 180,000 the first single peaked at only #59 on the Hot 100, and "More than a woman" was not getting play so "rock the boat" was quickly being grabbed as the next single, which really shouldnt have been a choice. You have to remember that this was someone that had sold 2-3 + million of her last two albums each, and this album was not going anywhere near that in terms of "sales" though it was the superior in quality. Had she not died, the album would have gone gold, most likely and the singles would have been stopped after "rock the boat" as she was already doing the "the matrix" movie sequel. Its not a knock because this to me is still the best RB female album of the decade by FAR, and was despite death, but there were alot that pushed it aside day one and then picked it up again because she died, i think thats more the issue.

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Reply #12 posted 12/05/09 7:44am

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lastdecember said:

bettybop said:

How is she rated? People make her out to be some kind of legend because she died young, but I don't hear many saying she was a great vocalist. I think she had a pleasant, but limited voice and used it well. On her last CD before she died, I remember thinking she was really coming along vocally. Songs like "I Care 4 U" and "It's Whatever" reflected her growth, I remember thinking.

I did hate how everyone started gushing over her after her death, because I remember few were checking on that last CD of hers while she was alive. And a lot of people slept on "We Need A Resolution," too (which still remains a fave of mine).


I agree i can remember very little talk on that whole album, till she died. The album itself was not doing well in terms of sales for her, had she not died, the album would have been one of those under-rated classics that never got spoken on. I mean there was even debates going on at her label about "more than a woman" being a single and "rock the boat" not being a single, but of course both ending up being one. But for tracks like "I refuse" and "What if" and "those were the days" that is where Aaiyah was stepping out of this RB chick "thing" and growing, but sadly no one was talking about that for the most part.


i think the album was doing ok before her death
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Reply #13 posted 12/05/09 8:08am

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lastdecember said:

BklynBabe said:




,,,the same album that was #2 the first week it came out, second to Alicia Keys debut. That's the album "no one was checking for?" Off a single "no one was listening to?" rolleyes She had just started promoting the other singles. The album had already been rated highly by critics.


But it had hit its peak, yes it was "critically" acclaimed somewhat quietly, and a debut at number 2 is not hard in these days, it moved a 180,000 the first single peaked at only #59 on the Hot 100, and "More than a woman" was not getting play so "rock the boat" was quickly being grabbed as the next single, which really shouldnt have been a choice. You have to remember that this was someone that had sold 2-3 + million of her last two albums each, and this album was not going anywhere near that in terms of "sales" though it was the superior in quality. Had she not died, the album would have gone gold, most likely and the singles would have been stopped after "rock the boat" as she was already doing the "the matrix" movie sequel. Its not a knock because this to me is still the best RB female album of the decade by FAR, and was despite death, but there were alot that pushed it aside day one and then picked it up again because she died, i think thats more the issue.


Released July 17, 2001, The album debuted at number two on the Billboard 200, number one on the R&B charts and was certified gold four weeks (she died Aug 25th) (platinum within six weeks-sales boosted by death) after its release....

she had already achieved gold status so it seems people were checking for her and her music before her death, and she would have ended selling in her 2-3 million range over the next few years as her previous records (which both peaked at #18) did.

Well as folk have said, if you don't want to respect Aaliyah's talents or even go research basic facts and try to trivialize her career and accomplishments, then that's what you are gonna do. Hatas are gon' hate. Go on and keep your Beyonce's and Taylor Swifts and Britney's.

Some of us actually enjoy true talent when we see and hear it. As I have said in the past shit sells more than talent anyway.....

I'm glad for Aaliyah's sake that she had the recognition of how much she was loved before her death.
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Reply #14 posted 12/05/09 8:17am

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Aaliyah is NOT overrated. While she was not the best of singers in the strict sense, she had so much steez and so much cachet up in her records, a big voice not only was unnecessary in her case it just would have gotten in her way. The truth is she transcended all of that. By miles. And miles. That's why she is beloved. Aaliyah was a TRUE record artist.
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Reply #15 posted 12/05/09 8:45am

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BklynBabe said:

lastdecember said:



But it had hit its peak, yes it was "critically" acclaimed somewhat quietly, and a debut at number 2 is not hard in these days, it moved a 180,000 the first single peaked at only #59 on the Hot 100, and "More than a woman" was not getting play so "rock the boat" was quickly being grabbed as the next single, which really shouldnt have been a choice. You have to remember that this was someone that had sold 2-3 + million of her last two albums each, and this album was not going anywhere near that in terms of "sales" though it was the superior in quality. Had she not died, the album would have gone gold, most likely and the singles would have been stopped after "rock the boat" as she was already doing the "the matrix" movie sequel. Its not a knock because this to me is still the best RB female album of the decade by FAR, and was despite death, but there were alot that pushed it aside day one and then picked it up again because she died, i think thats more the issue.


Released July 17, 2001, The album debuted at number two on the Billboard 200, number one on the R&B charts and was certified gold four weeks (she died Aug 25th) (platinum within six weeks-sales boosted by death) after its release....

she had already achieved gold status so it seems people were checking for her and her music before her death, and she would have ended selling in her 2-3 million range over the next few years as her previous records (which both peaked at #18) did.

Well as folk have said, if you don't want to respect Aaliyah's talents or even go research basic facts and try to trivialize her career and accomplishments, then that's what you are gonna do. Hatas are gon' hate. Go on and keep your Beyonce's and Taylor Swifts and Britney's.

Some of us actually enjoy true talent when we see and hear it. As I have said in the past shit sells more than talent anyway.....

I'm glad for Aaliyah's sake that she had the recognition of how much she was loved before her death.


First of all you are reading what you want of my post. Yes do the research, i was within the industry from 1988-2006, and sorry but her album was falling off after the initial "release" as all records do, it was certified gold upon its release because of what it shipped, it had not sold 500,000 by her death, it was somewhere around 300,000 at the time. The lead single had peaked at Number 59 on the hot 100, and yes it was doing well at RB of course she always did, but this record was an attempt to get her crossed over anyone who listens to the album can her more styles than just the typical RB that was out there. The label was going back and forth trying to get a solid strong stand for a second single, "More than a Woman" was her attempt to cross-over and it wasnt working, so "rock the boat" was pushed out very quickly even before the second single had a shot. we will never know where "rock the boat" would have truly gotten too, i dont think it would have been the hit the label was searching for to get the album "selling" again, the album was falling at the time of her death, despite what we want to believe.

And where did i ever "hate" on this record, i have always called this her best moment. and the best female RB record of the decade by a landslide, and i dont see where i have praised Beyonce in any thread? And im the last you should be mentioning sales too in regards to what is good and what is not good, you obviously havent researched.

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Reply #16 posted 12/05/09 9:16am

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She's anything but. Please.
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Reply #17 posted 12/05/09 9:47am

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Same topic every time Aaliyah comes up. Why bother proving anything?
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Reply #18 posted 12/05/09 9:54am

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She had a vocal talent... she wasn't a whipser... she had a whispery tone but she could sing. confused







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Reply #19 posted 12/05/09 10:41am

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bettybop said:

BklynBabe said:




,,,the same album that was #2 the first week it came out, second to Alicia Keys debut. That's the album "no one was checking for?" Off a single "no one was listening to?" rolleyes She had just started promoting the other singles. The album had already been rated highly by critics.

Yes, that is the CD I am talking about. You can say what ya want, but I remember people talking about the CD sucking and they weren't feeling her new sound/vibe. It DID get great reviews from critics, and it was her best CD-that was why I was disappointed at the initial reception. So rolleyes back at you.


Well it was the first CD I bought from her and I actually bought it before she died. But I have to admit that if she didn't pass away I wouldn't probably purchase the other 2 cds
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Reply #20 posted 12/05/09 11:17am

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nice... beat up on the dead chick.. rolleyes
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Reply #21 posted 12/05/09 11:52am

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Yea, she is.
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Reply #22 posted 12/05/09 12:11pm

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Aaliyah, was one the best voices of her generation. She had a voice that was easy on the ears and looks that were easy on the eyes. I remember listening to her last album an thinking, "she has finally come into her own" and "It's a shame that she will not be around long enough to enjoy it." My brother thought that I was nuts, but weeks later....all he could do was shake his head. Had she lived, I believe she would have be a player in this music biz and would have given, Beyonce, Britney, and Rihanna a run for their money. So, all that said, I don't believe that she was overrated. I do believe, however that her talent was overlooked when compared to the ladies that I just mentioned.
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lastdecember said:

BklynBabe said:



Released July 17, 2001, The album debuted at number two on the Billboard 200, number one on the R&B charts and was certified gold four weeks (she died Aug 25th) (platinum within six weeks-sales boosted by death) after its release....

she had already achieved gold status so it seems people were checking for her and her music before her death, and she would have ended selling in her 2-3 million range over the next few years as her previous records (which both peaked at #18) did.

Well as folk have said, if you don't want to respect Aaliyah's talents or even go research basic facts and try to trivialize her career and accomplishments, then that's what you are gonna do. Hatas are gon' hate. Go on and keep your Beyonce's and Taylor Swifts and Britney's.

Some of us actually enjoy true talent when we see and hear it. As I have said in the past shit sells more than talent anyway.....

I'm glad for Aaliyah's sake that she had the recognition of how much she was loved before her death.


First of all you are reading what you want of my post. Yes do the research, i was within the industry from 1988-2006, and sorry but her album was falling off after the initial "release" as all records do, it was certified gold upon its release because of what it shipped, it had not sold 500,000 by her death, it was somewhere around 300,000 at the time. The lead single had peaked at Number 59 on the hot 100, and yes it was doing well at RB of course she always did, but this record was an attempt to get her crossed over anyone who listens to the album can her more styles than just the typical RB that was out there. The label was going back and forth trying to get a solid strong stand for a second single, "More than a Woman" was her attempt to cross-over and it wasnt working, so "rock the boat" was pushed out very quickly even before the second single had a shot. we will never know where "rock the boat" would have truly gotten too, i dont think it would have been the hit the label was searching for to get the album "selling" again, the album was falling at the time of her death, despite what we want to believe.

And where did i ever "hate" on this record, i have always called this her best moment. and the best female RB record of the decade by a landslide, and i dont see where i have praised Beyonce in any thread? And im the last you should be mentioning sales too in regards to what is good and what is not good, you obviously havent researched.

This is how I remember things, too.

But, don't get me wrong, my post wasn't to say she wasn't deserving of the appreciation she has gotten since death. My point was that I wish her latest CD was more appreciated when she was still alive. And I don't see her as being "overrated" because as far as I see, her level of appreciation suits what she contributed. She's not mentioned in the same breath as Billie Holiday et al.

I am not trying to throw shade on her legacy at all. I loved Aaliyah. She was one of the few in R&B that dared to venture out. And she had a darker vibe about her. Now I don't think she would have been much competition for Beyonce, as Aaliyah valued her privacy and always made sure she was never over-exposed. She made a point to remain somewhat "mysterious." I do see her giving the current incarnation of Rihanna a serious run, though. They both had/have a darker and more adventurous style that I appreciate.
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Reply #24 posted 12/05/09 4:27pm

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she was so hot love and i liked alot of her music cool. her voice wasn't all that, but it was pleasant enough for her material music. "let me know...let me kno-ohhhhh..." stoned
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banks said:

nice... beat up on the dead chick.. rolleyes

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her marriage at 15 to R Kelly still gets me...
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Reply #29 posted 12/05/09 7:02pm

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Nah, I don't think she is overrated at all. She connected well with her generation. So, when she was gone it felt like a schoolmate or a fellow peer had left. Granted there's always those who jumps on bandwagons after deaths. But at least there was something there waiting for those bandwagoners. She was a young artist that actually showed growth. From the standard R&B stuff she got from R.Kelly on her first album, to the fresh sound from Timbaland and then to her modern-day classic record, "Aaliyah," she showed real growth musically to me. Vocally she seemed to have settled into her voice/style more."Miss You"from her compilation, "I Care For You," is one of my favorites. Her own cool distinctive style and range is featured well on that one.
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