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Reply #150 posted 11/09/09 11:07pm

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Reply #151 posted 11/09/09 11:45pm

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TMZ...JUST IN:

Dr. Murray: Please Hold ... MJ is Dying
Posted Nov 10th 2009 1:00AM by TMZ Staff
Dr. Conrad Murray was on the phone with his girlfriend as Michael Jackson was dying ... sources connected to the case tell TMZ.

We've learned Dr. Murray was on a cell phone with his girlfriend from Houston between 12:03 and 12:13 PM on June 25, 2009 -- the day Jackson died.

Sources say the girlfriend told LAPD detectives ... about 5 minutes into the call, she heard Dr. Murray abruptly drop the phone and then heard him administer CPR. The girlfriend said there was no indication Dr. Murray knew anything was amiss before dropping the telephone.

Sources say the girlfriend does not know if Murray was in the room with Jackson when he called her or if he walked in just before realizing MJ was in deep trouble.

The bodyguard called 911 at 12:21 PM, approximately 13 minutes after dropping the phone.

It has been widely reported Dr. Murray was on the phone for 47 minutes before calling 911. It appears those calls were actually made before Dr. Murray realized Jackson was in distress.


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Reply #152 posted 11/10/09 1:18am

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Hi Everyone!

I just wanted to say that I visited the MJ Exhibition at the O2 in London last night and it was fantastic - if any of you are in London town whilst it is on I highly recommend you go. One of the rooms in the exhibit left myself and the rest of my family absolutely speechless!
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Reply #153 posted 11/10/09 5:52am

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EmeraldSkies said:

tangerine7 said:


yea like that I know I saw a MJ thread here not so long ago where everyone was talking about how they traveled outside the USA to see either the Dangerous and/or HIStory tours and ppl thought something like they couldn't believe that an american was actually there..
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Maybe there disbelief was more that they could'nt believe that someone would fly all the way to a different country just to see a concert,rather than the fact that they were from the US.


Nah. They shouldn't find it hard to believe since that's exactly what they all do on a regular basis including flying to different continents. They're a pretty tight group and some see anyone else as an outsider. They had access to MJ that American fans either didn't have or didn't take advantage of depending on how you look at it and some felt they loved MJ more than America or American fans. We were frowned upon because we didn't support him. But I can't say that all felt this way. Some understood and for the most part many fans were nice and welcoming and have become long time friends.
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Reply #154 posted 11/10/09 6:09am

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Joe Jackson Moves to Oust Will Executors confused
November 9, 2009


The battle for control of Michael Jackson's estate took another turn Monday as the pop singer's father filed a challenge of the men named as executors in Jackson's 2002 will.

Joe Jackson, who was not named as a beneficiary of the will, contends John Branca and John McClain must be disqualified as executors because they hid from the court a mistake regarding Jackson's signature, Brian Oxman, Joe Jackson's attorney, told CNN.

The signature section of the will said it was signed on July 7, 2002, in Los Angeles, although there is proof Michael Jackson was in New York on that date, Oxman said.

"The executors have an obligation to tell the court the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth," Oxman said. "But for four months they've been silent as to where this will was signed. They are concealing this from the court and you cannot do that."

Howard Weitzman, one of the attorneys for Branca and McClain, responded by saying Joe Jackson's claims "are so outrageous that they don't deserve any response."

"John Branca and John McClain, who were designated by Michael Jackson in his will as executors of his estate, will continue carrying out Michael's wishes for the benefit of his mother, his children and charities," Weitzman said in a statement.

Judge Mitchell Beckloff, who is overseeing the probate of Jackson's estate, will hold a hearing in Los Angeles Superior Court Tuesday morning. It is expected he will choose a date in that hearing to consider the arguments on these and other matters related to the estate, Oxman said.

Joe Jackson also filed a request last week asking Judge Beckloff to order the estate to pay him a monthly allowance. While he is married to Jackson's mother -- Katherine Jackson -- he lives separately in Las Vegas and does not share in the monthly allowance from the estate.

Oxman filed a petition Monday afternoon listing 11 grounds for Branca and McClain's dismissal as executors.

In addition to the issue of where the will was signed, Oxman said Branca had several conflicts of interest concerning his involvement with overseeing the partnership between Jackson and Sony to own music catalogues.

The petition also contends that Branca was fired as Jackson's lawyer in 2003, but failed to resign as an executor to the estate as he was ordered.

Michael Jackson died June 25, but the probate of his will has been slowed by a series of court squabbles.

Katherine Jackson is pursuing her own challenge of Branca and McClain. Her lawyers have indicated they would present evidence that the men have possible conflicts of interest that would disqualify them.

Oxman said his grounds for challenging them is separate and different from Katherine Jackson's challenge.

Katherine Jackson's legal team has asked that a member of the Jackson family "have a seat at the table" -- as a third executor.

Under the 2002 will, Michael Jackson's three children and his mother are the chief beneficiaries of his estate, while unnamed charities will share in 20 percent of the wealth.





http://www.cnn.com/2009/S...on.estate/
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Reply #155 posted 11/10/09 6:09am

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tangerine7 said:

I wanted to ask does anyone ever find it 'hard' being an american Michael Jackson Fan around History era through now? It seems the rest of the world bashes MJ fans from the USA.. maybe i'm the only one who sees this. neutral


I think the toughest part was seeing how the media had gone against him. How he was under constant scrutiny. But I think only if you talk to people directly or went to certain message boards would you pick up that there was a feeling that American fans were not as devoted or supported of MJ. But that didn't make being a fan hard for me. That sort of stuff is pointless.
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Reply #156 posted 11/10/09 6:36am

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I suspect Joe Jackson to be bald, totally. That's why he always wears some hat.

Like Randall, he also got no hair anymore but he doesn't wear those camper hats.
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Reply #157 posted 11/10/09 9:41am

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Only a crooked, pseudo-pimp the likes of Joe Jackson would stoop so low as to sue his dead son's estate for a monthly stipend. The guy seemingly doesn't have an ounce of shame.
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Reply #158 posted 11/10/09 9:57am

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skywriter is such an underrated album

"we make our heroes in America only to destroy them"
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Reply #159 posted 11/10/09 10:45am

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Copycat said:

Only a crooked, pseudo-pimp the likes of Joe Jackson would stoop so low as to sue his dead son's estate for a monthly stipend. The guy seemingly doesn't have an ounce of shame.


I've downplayed a lot of the hate for the guy on certain aspects, but seriously, this seems fucked up. I mean, I guess there's a likely possibility that some of us don't know jack about anything going on in the Jackson world like we think we do, it still seems pretty crazy.
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Reply #160 posted 11/10/09 11:16am

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JackieBlue said:

tangerine7 said:

I wanted to ask does anyone ever find it 'hard' being an american Michael Jackson Fan around History era through now? It seems the rest of the world bashes MJ fans from the USA.. maybe i'm the only one who sees this. neutral


I think the toughest part was seeing how the media had gone against him. How he was under constant scrutiny. But I think only if you talk to people directly or went to certain message boards would you pick up that there was a feeling that American fans were not as devoted or supported of MJ. But that didn't make being a fan hard for me. That sort of stuff is pointless.

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Reply #161 posted 11/10/09 11:20am

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Copycat said:

Only a crooked, pseudo-pimp the likes of Joe Jackson would stoop so low as to sue his dead son's estate for a monthly stipend. The guy seemingly doesn't have an ounce of shame.


I've downplayed a lot of the hate for the guy on certain aspects, but seriously, this seems fucked up. I mean, I guess there's a likely possibility that some of us don't know jack about anything going on in the Jackson world like we think we do, it still seems pretty crazy.


The more we hear this the more you should be convinced that Joe Jackson isn't really judged too harshly. People who think that don't really know Joe Jackson. Of course we don't know him but from what his children especially MJ have said about him, how can you not look at Joe with the side eye? He's ridiculous.
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Reply #162 posted 11/10/09 11:27am

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bboy87 said:

JackieBlue said:



I think the toughest part was seeing how the media had gone against him. How he was under constant scrutiny. But I think only if you talk to people directly or went to certain message boards would you pick up that there was a feeling that American fans were not as devoted or supported of MJ. But that didn't make being a fan hard for me. That sort of stuff is pointless.

nod


Okay, if their were "American" fans - most of them, even after the time Invincible came out were cruel.

I remember one day, after HIStory came out, wearing a cool MJ shirt, the one that you could order from the little tiny brochure with the album, and I was called, "weird," "gay," "sissy," "fag," and all kinds of things for being a fan of a musician. Now had I wore an AC/DC shirt or something crazy like that, they would have totally not said a word. Kids 10 up especially made it hard for the younger MJ fans to publicly admit to liking him around 93/94/95/96/97. You couldn't wear an MJ shirt without some person my age saying, "Child molester!" How annoying. Thanks a lot Jordan Chandler and your greedy creepy family.

Another memory I have is when Invincible came out, back in 2001, and I carried the album, and some people, "Is that Michael Jackson? He is so weird. Man, your music taste sucks. Nickelback is so much better." rolleyes Then, what was funny was later, some people were talking and defending Michael, and even when some people would say, "Man, Michael Jackson has tons of good songs" there were still the person, or little group of people who would just insist upon focusing on putting him down. "He is just gay" "He is just weird" "He is a freak." The truth is, a lot of that is probably out of jealously, as lame-o as it sounds. They knew MJ was a legend, and would be regarded as such for long after his lifetime, and they didn't like that the crummy alternative/whatever-style artist/band they liked wouldn't. Mix that with some lame-o fear of things that they don't fully understand..and bam..instant shitty attitudes against a living legend at the time. Pisses me off now that people try to make it like, "I was an MJ fan all along," and its like, "Weren't you the same asshole who put him down during his lifetime?" I hate fair weather fans. mad
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Reply #163 posted 11/10/09 11:30am

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Superstition said:

Copycat said:

Only a crooked, pseudo-pimp the likes of Joe Jackson would stoop so low as to sue his dead son's estate for a monthly stipend. The guy seemingly doesn't have an ounce of shame.


I've downplayed a lot of the hate for the guy on certain aspects, but seriously, this seems fucked up. I mean, I guess there's a likely possibility that some of us don't know jack about anything going on in the Jackson world like we think we do, it still seems pretty crazy.


Michael Jackson should of provided for both his mother and father until their death. This man had an estate estimated appx. 500 million dollars. So far his mother gets $26,000 a month= $312,000 per year! Where is the money. Joe should have an allowance. Michael Jackson was controlled by other people who helped to distance him from his family, so they could controll the money! Yes, Joe has some problems, but he is an old man. There are a lot worst fathers than Joe Jackson. Seperate accounts should have been set up long ago for his parents. This is sad!

Micael Jackson business was a mess. His 79-year old mother has to be responsible for the three children, who will be targets. They need security, private tutors, a nanny etc... She now has to be in charge and pay all these salaries?...I love MJ but his business was a mess!
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Reply #164 posted 11/10/09 11:30am

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Vanilli said:

bboy87 said:


nod


Okay, if their were "American" fans - most of them, even after the time Invincible came out were cruel.

I remember one day, after HIStory came out, wearing a cool MJ shirt, the one that you could order from the little tiny brochure with the album, and I was called, "weird," "gay," "sissy," "fag," and all kinds of things for being a fan of a musician. Now had I wore an AC/DC shirt or something crazy like that, they would have totally not said a word. Kids 10 up especially made it hard for the younger MJ fans to publicly admit to liking him.

Another memory I have is when Invincible came out, back in 2001, and I carried the album, and some people, "Is that Michael Jackson? He is so weird. Man, your music taste sucks. Nickelback is so much better." rolleyes Then, what was funny was later, some people were talking and defending Michael, and even when some people would say, "Man, Michael Jackson has tons of good songs" there were still the person, or little group of people who would just insist upon focusing on putting him down. "He is just gay" "He is just weird" "He is a freak." The truth is, a lot of that is probably out of jealously, as lame-o as it sounds. They knew MJ was a legend, and would be regarded as such for long after his lifetime, and they didn't like that the crummy alternative/whatever-style artist/band they liked wouldn't. Mix that with some lame-o fear of things that they don't fully understand..and bam..instant shitty attitudes against a living legend at the time. Pisses me off now that people try to make it like, "I was an MJ fan all along," and its like, "Weren't you the same asshole who put him down during his lifetime?" I hate fair weather fans. mad
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You already know how I reacted to those people when he passed

One person I know was like "Man, he was greatest..."

to which I replied



lol
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Reply #165 posted 11/10/09 11:33am

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luv4ever said:

Superstition said:



I've downplayed a lot of the hate for the guy on certain aspects, but seriously, this seems fucked up. I mean, I guess there's a likely possibility that some of us don't know jack about anything going on in the Jackson world like we think we do, it still seems pretty crazy.


Michael Jackson should of provided for both his mother and father until their death. This man had an estate estimated appx. 500 million dollars. So far his mother gets $26,000 a month= $312,000 per year! Where is the money. Joe should have an allowance. Michael Jackson was controlled by other people who helped to distance him from his family, so they could controll the money! Yes, Joe has some problems, but he is an old man. There are a lot worst fathers than Joe Jackson. Seperate accounts should have been set up long ago for his parents. This is sad!

Micael Jackson business was a mess. His 79-year old mother has to be responsible for the three children, who will be targets. They need security, private tutors, a nanny etc... She now has to be in charge and pay all these salaries?...I love MJ but his business was a mess!


Well Michael never trusted his father with his money he thought he was always planning schemes and he only trusted his mother with his interests. We have to look at it from MJ's perspective. For some folks it'll look nice on paper if both Joe and Katherine were accustomed but because of MJ's still unresolved relationship with him up until his death, I'm not shocked that Joe is acting as if MJ had cheated him out of his money, that's why he's trying to convince himself and some of MJ's siblings that MJ's signature was forged and how are they going to be able to prove that?
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Reply #166 posted 11/10/09 11:34am

Timmy84

Vanilli said:

bboy87 said:


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Okay, if their were "American" fans - most of them, even after the time Invincible came out were cruel.

I remember one day, after HIStory came out, wearing a cool MJ shirt, the one that you could order from the little tiny brochure with the album, and I was called, "weird," "gay," "sissy," "fag," and all kinds of things for being a fan of a musician. Now had I wore an AC/DC shirt or something crazy like that, they would have totally not said a word. Kids 10 up especially made it hard for the younger MJ fans to publicly admit to liking him around 93/94/95/96/97. You couldn't wear an MJ shirt without some person my age saying, "Child molester!" How annoying. Thanks a lot Jordan Chandler and your greedy creepy family.

Another memory I have is when Invincible came out, back in 2001, and I carried the album, and some people, "Is that Michael Jackson? He is so weird. Man, your music taste sucks. Nickelback is so much better." rolleyes Then, what was funny was later, some people were talking and defending Michael, and even when some people would say, "Man, Michael Jackson has tons of good songs" there were still the person, or little group of people who would just insist upon focusing on putting him down. "He is just gay" "He is just weird" "He is a freak." The truth is, a lot of that is probably out of jealously, as lame-o as it sounds. They knew MJ was a legend, and would be regarded as such for long after his lifetime, and they didn't like that the crummy alternative/whatever-style artist/band they liked wouldn't. Mix that with some lame-o fear of things that they don't fully understand..and bam..instant shitty attitudes against a living legend at the time. Pisses me off now that people try to make it like, "I was an MJ fan all along," and its like, "Weren't you the same asshole who put him down during his lifetime?" I hate fair weather fans. mad
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[Edited 11/10/09 11:29am]


They talk shit about you when you're alive but kiss your ass when you're in the grave. I don't understand that thinking to be honest.
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Reply #167 posted 11/10/09 11:34am

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Timmy84 said:

luv4ever said:



Michael Jackson should of provided for both his mother and father until their death. This man had an estate estimated appx. 500 million dollars. So far his mother gets $26,000 a month= $312,000 per year! Where is the money. Joe should have an allowance. Michael Jackson was controlled by other people who helped to distance him from his family, so they could controll the money! Yes, Joe has some problems, but he is an old man. There are a lot worst fathers than Joe Jackson. Seperate accounts should have been set up long ago for his parents. This is sad!

Micael Jackson business was a mess. His 79-year old mother has to be responsible for the three children, who will be targets. They need security, private tutors, a nanny etc... She now has to be in charge and pay all these salaries?...I love MJ but his business was a mess!


Well Michael never trusted his father with his money he thought he was always planning schemes and he only trusted his mother with his interests. We have to look at it from MJ's perspective. For some folks it'll look nice on paper if both Joe and Katherine were accustomed but because of MJ's still unresolved relationship with him up until his death, I'm not shocked that Joe is acting as if MJ had cheated him out of his money, that's why he's trying to convince himself and some of MJ's siblings that MJ's signature was forged and how are they going to be able to prove that?


and Timmy, do we need to go down the list of all the bullshit Joe has pulled in the last 30 years? lol

cuz you know I will! lol
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Reply #168 posted 11/10/09 11:36am

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bboy87 said:

Timmy84 said:



Well Michael never trusted his father with his money he thought he was always planning schemes and he only trusted his mother with his interests. We have to look at it from MJ's perspective. For some folks it'll look nice on paper if both Joe and Katherine were accustomed but because of MJ's still unresolved relationship with him up until his death, I'm not shocked that Joe is acting as if MJ had cheated him out of his money, that's why he's trying to convince himself and some of MJ's siblings that MJ's signature was forged and how are they going to be able to prove that?


and Timmy, do we need to go down the list of all the bullshit Joe has pulled in the last 30 years? lol

cuz you know I will! lol


If someone keeps trying to prove a point that Joe should've been looked after, go right ahead Jay! lol
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Reply #169 posted 11/10/09 11:39am

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Superstition said:



I've downplayed a lot of the hate for the guy on certain aspects, but seriously, this seems fucked up. I mean, I guess there's a likely possibility that some of us don't know jack about anything going on in the Jackson world like we think we do, it still seems pretty crazy.


Michael Jackson should of provided for both his mother and father until their death. This man had an estate estimated appx. 500 million dollars. So far his mother gets $26,000 a month= $312,000 per year! Where is the money.
Micael Jackson business was a mess. His 79-year old mother has to be responsible for the three children, who will be targets. They need security, private tutors, a nanny etc... She now has to be in charge and pay all these salaries?...I love MJ but his business was a mess!



Michael died with as much as $500M in unpaid debts. Yes, half a billion dollars. Thanks to the executors of the estate, Katherine receives $87K per month, not $26K.
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Reply #170 posted 11/10/09 11:39am

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LORD HAVE MERCY...

Michael Jackson's Parents at Legal War
Posted Nov 10th 2009 1:45PM by TMZ Staff

What a turn! Katherine and Joe Jackson are fighting each other in court ... right now.


Katherine's new lawyer, Adam Streisand, is arguing to the judge that Joe has no legal standing to object to John Branca and John McClain as executors, nor does he have any standing to object to the validity of the will.

Streisand is arguing since Michael Jackson cut Joe out of the will, he has no dog in this fight.

During the fight, Billie Jean Jackson -- you know -- just stood up and said that she's an heir so she'll object ... so Joe's got that going for him.

Stay tuned...
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Reply #171 posted 11/10/09 11:46am

Timmy84

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LORD HAVE MERCY...

Michael Jackson's Parents at Legal War
Posted Nov 10th 2009 1:45PM by TMZ Staff

What a turn! Katherine and Joe Jackson are fighting each other in court ... right now.


Katherine's new lawyer, Adam Streisand, is arguing to the judge that Joe has no legal standing to object to John Branca and John McClain as executors, nor does he have any standing to object to the validity of the will.

Streisand is arguing since Michael Jackson cut Joe out of the will, he has no dog in this fight.

During the fight, Billie Jean Jackson -- you know -- just stood up and said that she's an heir so she'll object ... so Joe's got that going for him.

Stay tuned...


I've been waiting for this day since "The Jacksons: An American Dream"! evillol
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Reply #172 posted 11/10/09 11:47am

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I've read so many things about Joe Jackson that I'm convinced that the man is the reincarnation of Satan. You think there are worse fathers than Joe? I don't think so. Joe must be in the top 10 worst father on Earth. You should read some of the things I've already read. There is no difference between Joe Jackson and Hitler or Joseph Mengele. That man shoud suffer a slow, painful and torturing death.
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Reply #173 posted 11/10/09 11:48am

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Timmy84 said:

musicjunky318 said:

LORD HAVE MERCY...

Michael Jackson's Parents at Legal War
Posted Nov 10th 2009 1:45PM by TMZ Staff

What a turn! Katherine and Joe Jackson are fighting each other in court ... right now.


Katherine's new lawyer, Adam Streisand, is arguing to the judge that Joe has no legal standing to object to John Branca and John McClain as executors, nor does he have any standing to object to the validity of the will.

Streisand is arguing since Michael Jackson cut Joe out of the will, he has no dog in this fight.

During the fight, Billie Jean Jackson -- you know -- just stood up and said that she's an heir so she'll object ... so Joe's got that going for him.

Stay tuned...


I've been waiting for this day since "The Jacksons: An American Dream"! evillol


ur so evil timmy lol

damn this is seriously a mess
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Reply #174 posted 11/10/09 11:48am

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Shocking! The Jacksons are fighting over $. Who didn't see that coming? Even in death, MJ is their meal ticket.
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Reply #175 posted 11/10/09 11:49am

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http://www.myfox11.com/gl...s=11478699

Michael Jackson's mother approves will executors

Associated Press - November 10, 2009 2:24 PM ET

LOS ANGELES (AP) - Michael Jackson's mother has withdrawn her objections to the appointment of 2 longtime Jackson associates as executors of the singer's will.

The surprise announcement Tuesday came from Katherine Jackson's attorney Adam Streisand, who said his client feels it's "high time the fighting end."

Streisand says Katherine Jackson no longer objects to the appointment of attorney John Branca and music executive John McClain to oversee the singer's estate. Streisand says the mother feels her actions are in the best interest of her son's children.

A judge says he will make the formal appointment after resolving whether Jackson's father can challenge the appointments. Joseph Jackson was omitted from his son's will.

Lawyers for the estate were ordered back later to argue to matter.
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Reply #176 posted 11/10/09 11:56am

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JackieBlue said:



I think the toughest part was seeing how the media had gone against him. How he was under constant scrutiny. But I think only if you talk to people directly or went to certain message boards would you pick up that there was a feeling that American fans were not as devoted or supported of MJ. But that didn't make being a fan hard for me. That sort of stuff is pointless.

nod


ya exactly is is pointless that is my point i just think that it shouldn't matter as long as you support michael it's like you can't take responsibility for every persons actions thats from your country..all you can do is be you not a flag perse
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Reply #177 posted 11/10/09 11:57am

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When will Joe Pol Pot Jackson die?
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Reply #178 posted 11/10/09 12:03pm

MyMyMy

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Shocking! The Jacksons are fighting over $. Who didn't see that coming? Even in death, MJ is their meal ticket.


Well, I will say one thing and that's that they are not unique in that respect. Even when relatively poor people die, there are still family members who try to fight over the few assets they might have had.
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Reply #179 posted 11/10/09 12:04pm

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Im glad Katherine has ceased in her action. Not her fault, she must love them all, but i get the feeling if she became joint executor, she'd somehow be filling her other sons and other folks wallets with the estates cash.

Jermaine hammer
Randy pooptoast
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