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Reply #150 posted 09/28/09 3:46am

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These tapes are kinda disturbing confused They paint a picture of a person who had alot of "issues" that needed to be dealt with. Michael comes across as overly paranoid and out of touch with reality.He had a massive ego,too.

He mentions that he wanted to date Princess Di and even considered dating Elizabeth Taylor too eek nuts It's obvious that he was incapable of having a real romantic relationship with any woman.It's sad that he had to put on this 'act'.


What's wrong with him having crushes on the Princess and Elizabeth? Di had his type of personality, and Elizabeth was a nice and beautiful, big-time movie star. I don't understand what's crazy about that.
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Reply #151 posted 09/28/09 4:21am

SoulAlive

WaterInYourBath said:

SoulAlive said:

These tapes are kinda disturbing confused They paint a picture of a person who had alot of "issues" that needed to be dealt with. Michael comes across as overly paranoid and out of touch with reality.He had a massive ego,too.

He mentions that he wanted to date Princess Di and even considered dating Elizabeth Taylor too eek nuts It's obvious that he was incapable of having a real romantic relationship with any woman.It's sad that he had to put on this 'act'.


What's wrong with him having crushes on the Princess and Elizabeth? Di had his type of personality, and Elizabeth was a nice and beautiful, big-time movie star. I don't understand what's crazy about that.


I don't know,it just seems like he always had "crushes" on women who were un-attainable.And then you have Tatiana,a beautiful,young lady who truly loved him,and he tossed her aside like an old newspaper confused
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Reply #152 posted 09/28/09 4:23am

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WaterInYourBath said:

SoulAlive said:

These tapes are kinda disturbing confused They paint a picture of a person who had alot of "issues" that needed to be dealt with. Michael comes across as overly paranoid and out of touch with reality.He had a massive ego,too.

He mentions that he wanted to date Princess Di and even considered dating Elizabeth Taylor too eek nuts It's obvious that he was incapable of having a real romantic relationship with any woman.It's sad that he had to put on this 'act'.


What's wrong with him having crushes on the Princess and Elizabeth? Di had his type of personality, and Elizabeth was a nice and beautiful, big-time movie star. I don't understand what's crazy about that.
Di was the princess of fucken england and elizabeth was 60 something years old. Michael has a strange relationship with women. I don't think he was gay tho.
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Reply #153 posted 09/28/09 4:24am

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SoulAlive said:

WaterInYourBath said:



What's wrong with him having crushes on the Princess and Elizabeth? Di had his type of personality, and Elizabeth was a nice and beautiful, big-time movie star. I don't understand what's crazy about that.


I don't know,it just seems like he always had "crushes" on women who were un-attainable.And then you have Tatiana,a beautiful,young lady who truly loved him,and he tossed her aside like an old newspaper confused
He always had impossible goals. Didn't he wanted to BAD to sell 100 million copies.
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Reply #154 posted 09/28/09 4:32am

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Michael Jackson: He was rough. The way he would beat you, you know, was hard, you know. Sometime he take, um, he would make you strip nude first. He would oil you down. It would be a whole ritual. He would oil you down so when the flip of the ironing cord hit you, you know. And it would just like be dying and you had whips all over your face, your back, everywhere. And I always hear my mother, "No, Joe! You're gonna kill 'em. You're gonna kill 'em, no!" I would just give up, like there was nothing I could do, you know? And I, and I hated him for it, hated him.
WTF....is this fucken normal back then. It sounds terrifying.
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Reply #155 posted 09/28/09 5:32am

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SoulAlive said:

These tapes are kinda disturbing confused They paint a picture of a person who had alot of "issues" that needed to be dealt with.Michael comes across as overly paranoid and out of touch with reality.He had a massive ego,too.

He mentions that he wanted to date Princess Di and even considered dating Elizabeth Taylor too eek nuts It's obvious that he was incapable of having a real romantic relationship with any woman.It's sad that he had to put on this 'act'.

I think the parts about his dad are waay more disturbing than his thoughts on women. I really hope the person who created the 'Was Joe really that bad?' thread listens to these tapes.
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Reply #156 posted 09/28/09 6:47am

suga10

Michael had serious psychological problems.

And the fame he achieved was the icing on the cake
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Reply #157 posted 09/28/09 7:38am

violetblues

The tapes paint a perfect portrait of what most people thought MJ was really like.
No surprises for me.
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Reply #158 posted 09/28/09 8:24am

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violetblues said:

The tapes paint a perfect portrait of what most people thought MJ was really like.
No surprises for me.

what did people think? just curious
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Reply #159 posted 09/28/09 8:25am

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vainandy said:

But it was a strip club where drag queens were stripping. She could obviously see he was gay but she went about it the wrong way. Hell, he was damn near a drag queen himself so the last thing he would want to see is something that looks like a woman stripping. Hell, that would be dyking. lol

She should have just tried to have taken him to a normal gay club and not even let on that she might think he's gay himself. They could just go to be "exploring" different nightlife. Once he got in there and some good looking grown men approached him, he might turn them down the first few times but I guarantee you, he would have eventually have given in. And once he got some good grown dick, he would have kicked Disneyland, the kids, and his father completely to the curb. lol

It's very apparent that he was gay but he would never come out of the closet or even admit it to himself because he was scared to death of his father, even as an adult.And that's not even getting into to that religion he was a part of. Madonna could have really turned him out but she went about it totally wrong.


Madonna knew that Michael was gay.She even had this idea that he should hang out with her gay dancers.She felt that he was living in a box,afraid to 'come out' and be who he really is.You're right,she may have went about it the wrong way..lol...I think she scared him a little bit,lol.She was aggressive about it.


michael wasn't gay.
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Reply #160 posted 09/28/09 8:37am

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Fuck this "rabbi". What kind of holy man tapes a conversation with his friend then waits for the 3 month anniversary of his death to release them and do publicity rounds? Why didn't he release them when Mike was alive?


Whether he's cashing in on the tapes or not, I think he showed class and sympathy for not releasing the tapes while Michael Jackson was alive. He could have easily done so and considering the statements that Michael made about his father's abuse, it would have caused major tension within the Jackson family. Michael already said that he was terrified of his father to this very day and if those tapes had come out while he was alive, he would have been petrified to even be around his father. And even if he cut all contact off with his father (which is what he should have done right after he made his own money with "Off The Wall"), then his siblings may have turned against him and possibly his mother too, which he absolutely adored.

Whether this man is cashing in or not, it's good that he's releasing these tapes after Michael Jackson's death. Michael isn't alive any more so they can't hurt him now. If anything, they will help the public understand why he became so messed up and people will have more sympathy for him rather than disgust. I know I've become much more sympathetic for him after his death by simply seeing what type of uncaring asshole of a father he had who was trying to promote his new business ventures only days after his son's death. That right there alone helped me to understand Michael better and these tapes really make me feel sorry for him. And since Joe was such an abusive, uncaring, lowdown asshole, he deserves the backlash these tapes will bring to him.
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Reply #161 posted 09/28/09 8:39am

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SoulAlive said:



Madonna knew that Michael was gay.She even had this idea that he should hang out with her gay dancers.She felt that he was living in a box,afraid to 'come out' and be who he really is.You're right,she may have went about it the wrong way..lol...I think she scared him a little bit,lol.She was aggressive about it.


michael wasn't gay.

No he wasn't. it would okay if he was,but he wasn't
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Reply #162 posted 09/28/09 8:52am

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SoulAlive said:

These tapes are kinda disturbing confused They paint a picture of a person who had alot of "issues" that needed to be dealt with.Michael comes across as overly paranoid and out of touch with reality.He had a massive ego,too.

He mentions that he wanted to date Princess Di and even considered dating Elizabeth Taylor too eek nuts It's obvious that he was incapable of having a real romantic relationship with any woman.It's sad that he had to put on this 'act'.


And don't forget about Diana Ross also. These are the type of women that are nice motherly type figures to him rather than women that a straight man would want to rip off their clothes and have sex with. Kinda like a young child having a crush on their elementary school teacher. There are two types of love. There's the type of love that you have for someone like your mother or a good friend and there's the type of love that you have for someone you would like to date. He obviously couldn't distinguish between the two types. Even with Lisa Marie Presley and Brooke Shields. Those two ladies are more like friendship kind of love to him rather than romantic love.

I think deep down he knew was gay but tried to fight it with every ounce in his body because of what his father and his religion would think. And not to mention what his mother might think who he loved very much. Nobody wants their mother to distance themselves from them. That's why so many people stay in the closet.
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Reply #163 posted 09/28/09 8:55am

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I got it from someone who read the book. I guess they're writing it up.
"Michael on Madonna. Madonna laid down the law before we went out."I am not going to Disneyland, okay? That's out." I said, "But I didn't ask you to go to Disneyland." She said,"We are going to a restaurant and afterwards we are going to a strip bar." I said, "Iam not going to a strip bar." Guys who cross-dress! Afterwards se wrote some mean things about me in the press and I wrote that she is a nasty witch, after I was so kind to her. I have told you that we were at the table eating and some little kids came up. "Oh my God, Michael Jackson and Madonna. Can we have your autograph?" She said, "Get out of here. Leave us alone." I said, "Don't ever talk to children like that." She said, "Shut up." I said, "You shut up." That's how we were. Then we went out again and went to the Acadamy Awards and she is not a nice person. I have to say it. She is not a nice person.


i soooo believe this.

earlier this year, i was talking to a colleague about the oscars and about how sean penn won best actor, deservedly.

he says, 'yeah, he's a good actor, but i had a run in with him years ago and i can't get past that.'

i said, 'oh, really? what happened?'

he told me that years ago, he was getting on a plane when sean and madonna show up late at the gate, holding up the plane, and generally behaving badly. and he said the same thing: a little girl came up to madonna to ask for her autograph, and she told the little girl to get away from her. he said the little girl was crushed.

then, they get on the plane and were rude to the attendants. at one point, my friend gets up to go to the bathroom. as he got to the door, sean penn was coming out. my friend says he could smell the marijuana smoke. and sean penn looks at him and says, 'if you tell anyone, i will kick your ass.'

i really wanted to laugh, 'cause it's funny as hell, but i didn't because my friend didn't think it was funny worth a damn.

another friend was sitting at some celebrity bakery out here in l.a. and he was thinking about something and put his head in his hands. a woman came up to him and said, 'don't worry, it will all work out.' he looked up and it was madonna.

so perhaps between sean and lourdes and kaballah, she mellowed out! wink
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Reply #164 posted 09/28/09 9:07am

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And don't forget about Diana Ross also. These are the type of women that are nice motherly type figures to him rather than women that a straight man would want to rip off their clothes and have sex with. Kinda like a young child having a crush on their elementary school teacher. There are two types of love. There's the type of love that you have for someone like your mother or a good friend and there's the type of love that you have for someone you would like to date. He obviously couldn't distinguish between the two types. Even with Lisa Marie Presley and Brooke Shields. Those two ladies are more like friendship kind of love to him rather than romantic love.

I think deep down he knew was gay but tried to fight it with every ounce in his body because of what his father and his religion would think. And not to mention what his mother might think who he loved very much. Nobody wants their mother to distance themselves from them. That's why so many people stay in the closet.


Sry. for jumping in u guys convo I can agree with you andy about him having a hard time distinguishing the two,but I truely believe Michael was straight. I also agree with you on a previously post early that you said something to the fact that " this already confirms what i already knew Joe was an complete asshole."
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Reply #165 posted 09/28/09 9:09am

tangerine7

Either way...in all this disecting.. I am seeing the good things in Michael even tho I can see the bad we all have the bad & the good...and sometimes we have the ugly.
love & peace u all..
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Reply #166 posted 09/28/09 9:20am

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vainandy said:

But it was a strip club where drag queens were stripping. She could obviously see he was gay but she went about it the wrong way. Hell, he was damn near a drag queen himself so the last thing he would want to see is something that looks like a woman stripping. Hell, that would be dyking. lol

She should have just tried to have taken him to a normal gay club and not even let on that she might think he's gay himself. They could just go to be "exploring" different nightlife. Once he got in there and some good looking grown men approached him, he might turn them down the first few times but I guarantee you, he would have eventually have given in. And once he got some good grown dick, he would have kicked Disneyland, the kids, and his father completely to the curb. lol

It's very apparent that he was gay but he would never come out of the closet or even admit it to himself because he was scared to death of his father, even as an adult.And that's not even getting into to that religion he was a part of. Madonna could have really turned him out but she went about it totally wrong.


Madonna knew that Michael was gay.She even had this idea that he should hang out with her gay dancers.She felt that he was living in a box,afraid to 'come out' and be who he really is.You're right,she may have went about it the wrong way..lol...I think she scared him a little bit,lol.She was aggressive about it.


That whole situation reminds me of how I came out of the closet to myself a few years prior to their conversation. Back in 1990, I was very much into the glam look and was doing very wild things with my hair. I met this girl who was kind of a black version of Madonna. Very wild and very slutty which was right up my alley. We hit it off real well and she asked me to go out and party with her so I did. We went to a club and then to a late night restaurant afterwards. In my mind of denial, I considered it a date and was struggling with myself at the restaurant table toward the end of the evening on how to make a move on her. I didn't want to and had no desire to but that's what I thought I was supposed to do. I just couldn't do it and I took her home. I figured that this girl would be thinking to herself "that was nothing but a fag" and would never call me again but she called me the very next night wanting to go out. I tried giving her excuses but she wouldn't take no for an answer. We started going out every single night, partied, ate, and went home afterwards.

After about a month of going to straight clubs, one night she said she wanted to go to her favorite club but was afraid to ask me to go for fear of getting a bad reaction from me but since I seemed like a cool person, she would just go ahead and ask. She said she wanted us to go to the gay club. I immediately said no and said "what if someone saw me going in or coming out of the club". She said "Fuck 'em. Who gives a fuck what they think? I thought you were badder than that.". She was a straight woman but her best friends were gay men and she loved to be around them. I went to the gay club with her seven or eight times still saying to myself that I was straight but had nothing against anyone that was gay. One night, she had to work the all night shift and couldn't go out. I was having such a good time at the club all those previous nights that I went by myself that night. That evening, I was approached by a fine motherfucker that looked just like Damon Wayans but with a sexy hairy chest. I hung out with him all evening and at the end of the night, he said "why don't you touch me somewhere". I hesitated for a moment but my own dick was hard as a rock when he said that. Then, my hand went straight for that dick and all that denial about being gay bullshit was history. lol

I knew there was no turning back after that and that I would be a hypocrit if I didn't tell that girl what I had done that evening. I struggled with myself and hesitated for the longest. She kept asking what was wrong and then I finally told her. Then she said "Is that all! Hell, I was scared that you were going to tell me you were on drugs or something! Hell, that's nothing. I figured you were gay and would just finally come out when you felt comfortable about it". The two of us remained best friends for years until she got married and moved away. That's the approach Madonna should have taken. If she had shown some patience, I think we would have seen a different Michael. I can just see him and Madonna becoming best of friends and comparing dick tales. lol
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Reply #167 posted 09/28/09 9:35am

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tangerine7 said:

vainandy said:



And don't forget about Diana Ross also. These are the type of women that are nice motherly type figures to him rather than women that a straight man would want to rip off their clothes and have sex with. Kinda like a young child having a crush on their elementary school teacher. There are two types of love. There's the type of love that you have for someone like your mother or a good friend and there's the type of love that you have for someone you would like to date. He obviously couldn't distinguish between the two types. Even with Lisa Marie Presley and Brooke Shields. Those two ladies are more like friendship kind of love to him rather than romantic love.

I think deep down he knew was gay but tried to fight it with every ounce in his body because of what his father and his religion would think. And not to mention what his mother might think who he loved very much. Nobody wants their mother to distance themselves from them. That's why so many people stay in the closet.


Sry. for jumping in u guys convo I can agree with you andy about him having a hard time distinguishing the two,but I truely believe Michael was straight. I also agree with you on a previously post early that you said something to the fact that " this already confirms what i already knew Joe was an complete asshole."


That man was, and still is, absolutely horrible and after hearing this new information about him, he's much worse than I thought. I hope all this comes back to bite him in the ass.
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Reply #168 posted 09/28/09 9:37am

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That man was, and still is, absolutely horrible and after hearing this new information about him, he's much worse than I thought. I hope all this comes back to bite him in the ass.

yea definetly.
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Reply #169 posted 09/28/09 9:43am

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SoulAlive said:

mimi07 said:


yeah i always thought she was biracial, pretty girl

i remember reading once she said michael and her were out in town and he asked to borrow her powder lol and she never got it back

kiss that cost her her job









She's beautiful! love It's shocking that Michael would marry a cow like Debbie Rowe,when he could have had this beautiful,lovely woman (who admitted that she was in love in with him).

Some people said she was reeeeal clingy. Tatiana and Michael's makeup artist, Karen Faye have been having arguments back and forth on Youtube and Facebook about it. Karen allegedly didn't like ANYONE who had a vagina near Michael. He like Tatiana but people were in his ear....
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Reply #170 posted 09/28/09 9:49am

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SoulAlive said:

vainandy said:

But it was a strip club where drag queens were stripping. She could obviously see he was gay but she went about it the wrong way. Hell, he was damn near a drag queen himself so the last thing he would want to see is something that looks like a woman stripping. Hell, that would be dyking. lol

She should have just tried to have taken him to a normal gay club and not even let on that she might think he's gay himself. They could just go to be "exploring" different nightlife. Once he got in there and some good looking grown men approached him, he might turn them down the first few times but I guarantee you, he would have eventually have given in. And once he got some good grown dick, he would have kicked Disneyland, the kids, and his father completely to the curb. lol

It's very apparent that he was gay but he would never come out of the closet or even admit it to himself because he was scared to death of his father, even as an adult.And that's not even getting into to that religion he was a part of. Madonna could have really turned him out but she went about it totally wrong.


Madonna knew that Michael was gay.She even had this idea that he should hang out with her gay dancers.She felt that he was living in a box,afraid to 'come out' and be who he really is.You're right,she may have went about it the wrong way..lol...I think she scared him a little bit,lol.She was aggressive about it.


Nah, I don't think Michael was gay. I think he had issues but I don't think that was one of him

I totally understand what he was saying about relationships and finding that special one

He had an ego about his success but when someone has really low self esteem, when they find success, they cherish it and display their pride in it because they probably feel that's the only thing they have going for them
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Reply #171 posted 09/28/09 9:50am

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SoulAlive said:

WaterInYourBath said:



What's wrong with him having crushes on the Princess and Elizabeth? Di had his type of personality, and Elizabeth was a nice and beautiful, big-time movie star. I don't understand what's crazy about that.


I don't know,it just seems like he always had "crushes" on women who were un-attainable. And then you have Tatiana,a beautiful,young lady who truly loved him,and he tossed her aside like an old newspaper confused

That's the case with so many men lol
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Reply #172 posted 09/28/09 9:53am

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The Rabbi needs to donate this money to Michael's children.

God, I hope and pray that I never have friends like Michael did. My heart goes out to Michael.

Until you have lived his life, you can never understand his pain.. and it is deeprooted.
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Reply #173 posted 09/28/09 9:58am

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But I'm a believer in marriage. So when your relationship with Lisa started to fall apart was it very hard? Your idealism about the family, everthing you believed in building the intimate family you always wanted, especially because you knew....
MJ: I wanted children and she did'nt.
She felt she had her kids.
MJ: Yeah, and she promised me before we married, that would be the first thing we'd do was have children. So I was broken-hearted and I walked around al the time holding these little baby dolls and I'd be crying, that's how badly I wanted them. So I was determined to have children. It disappointed me that she would'nt keep her promise to me, you know? After we got divorced she would hang out with my mother all the time. I have all these letters saying, " I'll give you nine children. I'll do whatever you want." and of course the press don't know all these stories and she just tried for months and months and I just became too hard-hearted at that point. I closed my mind on the whole situation.
So she thought maybe you could get back together?
MJ: Uh huh
But children were a major, major issue?
MJ: Of course.
She had the kids and that was it.
MJ: She had hers and I wanted us to feel like we all were one big family and have more. Just my dream is to have 9 or 10 children, that's what I want.
You're still very young. Do you think that will happen?
MJ: Yeah
But then again it means getting married again.
MJ: Yeah
Are you happy to do that?
MJ: Uh huh... or adopt.
Is it possible Michael you're attracting the wrong kind of girl because of your celebrity?1MJ: It's hard That's why it's hard, it's hard for me. It is hard. It's not easy for celebrities to be married.
Do you think that you could only really marry celebrities so that they don't need you as much?
MJ: That helps, in my opinion. And they understand what you go through. They've been there.
They help you for the right reasons, then?
MJ: Yeah, they're not after you know, WHat you've made [ the money] or you know? [singing] "That's what your are...." [ He won a Grammy for that.]
Right, right.

It seems like he was really in love with Lisa. Can't say I blame him, Lisa was looking quite smashable back in the day lol
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Reply #174 posted 09/28/09 10:02am

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But seriously what the fuck is up with all the top motown artist having shitty parents.
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Reply #175 posted 09/28/09 10:24am

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i agree with soulalive

also these tapes are making me see mj as being less gay and more misogynistic and fearful of women

also mj wasn't totally smitten with lmp, he was in love with the idea of her making his children!! that does not equal love
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Reply #176 posted 09/28/09 10:26am

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WaterInYourBath said:

SoulAlive said:

These tapes are kinda disturbing confused They paint a picture of a person who had alot of "issues" that needed to be dealt with. Michael comes across as overly paranoid and out of touch with reality.He had a massive ego,too.

He mentions that he wanted to date Princess Di and even considered dating Elizabeth Taylor too eek nuts It's obvious that he was incapable of having a real romantic relationship with any woman.It's sad that he had to put on this 'act'.


What's wrong with him having crushes on the Princess and Elizabeth? Di had his type of personality, and Elizabeth was a nice and beautiful, big-time movie star. I don't understand what's crazy about that.



did elizabeth taylor give mj BONERS

come on
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Reply #177 posted 09/28/09 10:31am

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I WANNA KNOW WHO GAVE MJ A BONER if anyone

notice how he cant talk about any woman without talking about kids
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Reply #178 posted 09/28/09 10:34am

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bboy87 said:

SoulAlive said:



I don't know,it just seems like he always had "crushes" on women who were un-attainable. And then you have Tatiana,a beautiful,young lady who truly loved him,and he tossed her aside like an old newspaper confused

That's the case with so many men lol


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Reply #179 posted 09/28/09 10:36am

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tatianas got a loose screw
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