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Thread started 08/12/09 5:56pm

scriptgirl

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Would you say Rick James is a Great singer?

I mean, would you say his voice is melodic and pleasant to listen to like Marvin, El's or Nat King Cole?

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Reply #1 posted 08/12/09 5:58pm

exenn

I don't think that's what he was aiming for. His voice was powerful sometimes, I suppose, but the songs/arrangements always seemed to be the focus.

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Reply #2 posted 08/12/09 6:44pm

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I don't know what would qualify as "Great", but I think he had a very strong & rich tone that was thick with texture. And he always brought it, never dialed it in. Plus he had a strong grasp of melody, harmony, phrasing... so yeah, I'd say he was pretty great. But then for me, every "singer" has their area, and Rick was good at creating his space, and bringing you into it.


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Reply #3 posted 08/12/09 6:46pm

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exenn said:

... the songs/arrangements always seemed to be the focus.

...that's a good point. nod


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Reply #4 posted 08/12/09 7:20pm

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exenn said:

I don't think that's what he was aiming for. His voice was powerful sometimes, I suppose, but the songs/arrangements always seemed to be the focus.


No actually Rick really was aiming to be a great singer. He saw himself as a balladeer. Seriously, I'm not kidding. I think he had a tremendous voice, so yes I'd say he was a great singer.

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Reply #5 posted 08/12/09 7:59pm

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I never really thought about it. I've loved RJ since backinthaday, and I just enjoyed his music- but I never thought, "Ooh, Rick can sing!"
I think he had a very powerful voice that fit the heavy groove of his music. cool

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Reply #6 posted 08/12/09 8:01pm

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funksterr said:

exenn said:

I don't think that's what he was aiming for. His voice was powerful sometimes, I suppose, but the songs/arrangements always seemed to be the focus.


No actually Rick really was aiming to be a great singer. He saw himself as a balladeer. Seriously, I'm not kidding. I think he had a tremendous voice, so yes I'd say he was a great singer.


Especially on songs like Happy and Fire and Desire. He's croonin' on those joints. And actually on some of the fast ones such as Fire It Up and SuperFreak etc.

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Reply #7 posted 08/12/09 8:07pm

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Yes and he is underrated. Listen to his ballads, he can sing.

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Reply #8 posted 08/12/09 8:28pm

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Rick had a great voice

it really fits on all of his tracks

very emotional with his delivery

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Reply #9 posted 08/12/09 9:09pm

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Rick was influenced by Eddie Levert. He voice always fit well in his songs.

He wasn't a Johnny Mae oops I mean Johnny Gill type of singer or a Luther but he showcased his voice well in his songs.

He never tried anything vocally that was out of his element.

And considering he felt the heat from Prince at least he didn't try to bust out in a falsetto.

[Edited 8/13/09 9:29am]

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Reply #10 posted 08/12/09 9:20pm

benjaminira

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just listen to "When Love Is Gone" off of "Fire It Up" or "Fire & Desire" (although Teena owns it with her performance)

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Reply #11 posted 08/12/09 9:24pm

exenn

I will say that he definitely had a unique voice, and I suppose I could stand to revisit some of his ballads, since I mostly know him for his party anthems.

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Reply #12 posted 08/12/09 9:35pm

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Reply #13 posted 08/12/09 10:32pm

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Rick had an awesome voice. His Ballads like "Fire & Desire", he was all over the place. A very strong chest voice! I actually think he was an underrated vocalist, perhaps because the Funk was usually the focus of the music. cool

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Reply #14 posted 08/12/09 10:50pm

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Absolutely not. I am sorry, but I always had to control my laughter when I heard him "belting" it out and sounding all pompous. He was just not my cup of tea in that regard. He always seemed to be trying too hard. LOL

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Reply #15 posted 08/12/09 11:30pm

scriptgirl

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What is a chest voice? You mean he's a tenor?

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Reply #16 posted 08/12/09 11:39pm

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Yep. "Love In The Night" shows the different sounds of his voice.

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Reply #17 posted 08/13/09 1:38am

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Rick James is that DUDE!!!!!
Motown should put out a "ballads" collection on him!!!!!
cool cool cool

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Reply #18 posted 08/13/09 2:46am

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His voice is perfectly suited for his funk cuts, for many of his slower cuts it doesn't however work always that well. You can easily hear that he knows how to write an R&B ballad, but to my ears it's almost as if he were always writing them for someone else than himself (well, considering his personal history that wouldn't be a surprise). For the occasional mid-tempo number, like "Glow", he could pull off really nice vocals though.
[Edited 8/14/09 13:19pm]

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Reply #19 posted 08/13/09 2:51am

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scriptgirl said:

What is a chest voice? You mean he's a tenor?


It just means you're using your chest to form your voice, as opposed to just using your larynx and mouth. "Chest voice" is more powerful, "head voice" more frail - falsetto vocals for example would always fall under the latter category.
You can feel the difference quite easily on the bodily level as well. The pressure can be localized either on your chest or more or less inside your mouth.

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Reply #20 posted 08/13/09 6:19am

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Extremely powerful voice, but maybe not a great singer.

Better than me, though!

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Reply #21 posted 08/13/09 7:46am

Bishop31

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[Edited 8/13/09 7:49am]

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Reply #22 posted 08/13/09 7:48am

Bishop31

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novabrkr said:

scriptgirl said:

What is a chest voice? You mean he's a tenor?


It just means you're using your chest to form your voice, as opposed to just using your larynx and mouth. "Chest voice" is more powerful, "head voice" more frail - falsetto vocals for example would always fall under the latter category.
You can feel the difference quite easily on the bodily level as well. The pressure can be localized either on your chest or more or less inside your mouth.


Great explanation. I couldn't figure out how to word it.
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Reply #23 posted 08/13/09 8:55am

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I just think Rick wasn't the greatest R&B balladeer ever because, frankly speaking, he wasn't a terribly sensitive man. lol

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Reply #24 posted 08/13/09 8:56am

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minneapolisFunq said:

Rick had a great voice

it really fits on all of his tracks

very emotional with his delivery

This. I love his vocal delivery on the ballads too.

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Reply #25 posted 08/13/09 9:38am

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scriptgirl said:

I mean, would you say his voice is melodic and pleasant to listen to like Marvin, El's or Nat King Cole?


H-E-L-L to the N O!

But there's a rich tone in his voice that's very similar to Eddie Levert's. But he doesn't really sing he usually just puts a lot of emphasis on his syllables. The texture of his voice is lovely but I don't think he ever had the ability to actually sing.

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Reply #26 posted 08/13/09 10:49am

scriptgirl

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what do you mean, he just put a lot of emphasis on his syllables?

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Reply #27 posted 08/13/09 11:14am

carlcranshaw

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The one little thing is he and Teena made VERY prominent use of vibrato.

You know Beyonce' and Christina make use of runs? (Melimas)

Well, Rick and Teena had that with the vibrato.

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Reply #28 posted 08/13/09 11:19am

scriptgirl

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okay, what is vibrato and isn't chest voice your lower register, then?

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Reply #29 posted 08/13/09 11:23am

carlcranshaw

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scriptgirl said:

okay, what is vibrato and isn't chest voice your lower register, then?


It is like the sound Peter made with the Aaron Neville megaphone.


http://www.youtube.com/wa..._RZ0t6JHF0

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