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elem55

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Black Music in the 70's and 80's

Was there somthing in the water, The sheer originality of Black groups was staggering.
To have so many groups that had their own sound and were easily identifiable
is just crazy when compared to artists today. And the quality of the music
was at such a high standard. Think about just these few artists or groups out at the same time (tip of the iceberg by the way).

EWF
Blue Magic
Barkays
Cameo
Stylistics
Confunkshun
BT express
Brass Construction
Mass Production
O'Bryan
Shalamar
Commodores
Marvin Gaye
Curtis Mayfield
Aretha Franklin
Gladys Knight
Harold Melvin and the Blue Notes
The Spinners
The Dramatics
The Main Ingredient
Prince
Rick James
Michael Jackson

I could go on all day with this list, but look at how original this tiny list is.
It is sad to say but I dont think you will ever see an explosion of raw talent
in music especially Black music like you did in the 70's and 80's. It's over, dead, stick a fork in it. If you grew up on it consider yourself blessed if you didn't you still got youtube.
We gonna come on with the come on, gonna get down with the get down!
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Reply #1 posted 06/21/09 8:43am

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I agree. These poor kids today. They listen to all of these so-called artists who have absolutely no originality and who constantly steal from the musicians of my generation.
"It's not nice to fuck with K.B.! All you haters will see!" - Kitbradley
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Reply #2 posted 06/21/09 8:57am

SoulAlive

I feel blessed that I grew up in the 70s.I was amazed at the music I heard as a child.We had the most incredible music!
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Reply #3 posted 06/21/09 9:04am

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I grew up with those classics too and bought many releases of them, though i'll always be curious for interesting new acts.
There is quality out there if you're willing to search for it, even some of it is more located at the independent area these days, but easier to find with today's worldwide search-engine.

Anthony Hamilton
Bugz In The Attic
Frank McComb
Kaidi Tatham
Lamone Andrews
Ledisi
Mint Condition
New Sector Movements
Raphael Saadiq
Roy Hargrove & RH Factor
Xantoné Blacq

Much more to find, such as online-stations like http://soulsorts.co.uk/ , www.solarradio.com , www.starpointradio.com where a variety of classic & new quality soul is presented weekly.
http://soulchoonz.blogspot.com/ is a blog which represents 70's/ 80's / 90's & 00's. There's just more happening beneath the surface of commercial radio.
[Edited 6/21/09 10:14am]
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Reply #4 posted 06/21/09 9:05am

novabrkr

elem55 said:

you still got youtube.


What? lol

Surely you could get some of those original records instead. I mean, at the very least people should bother to steal those records as high bitrate mp3s by using p2p -programs. The sound quality in streamed videos really does not usually do justice to the music.

Yeah, I listen to stuff on youtube sometimes too, but let's not consider it the new standard for music appreciation. wink
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Reply #5 posted 06/21/09 9:13am

elem55

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novabrkr said:

elem55 said:

you still got youtube.


What? lol

Surely you could get some of those original records instead. I mean, at the very least people should bother to steal those records as high bitrate mp3s by using p2p -programs. The sound quality in streamed videos really does not usually do justice to the music.

Yeah, I listen to stuff on youtube sometimes too, but let's not consider it the new standard for music appreciation. wink


I agree, I guess Im thinking of the visual aspect also. But your right P2P
is definatly better
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Reply #6 posted 06/21/09 9:33am

novabrkr

A few hours of late-night youtube surfing is good once in a while too.
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Reply #7 posted 06/21/09 9:34am

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novabrkr said:

A few hours of late-night youtube surfing is good once in a while too.


Especially if you're afraid of P2P sites. lol
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Reply #8 posted 06/21/09 9:36am

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I think that more than ever in the music biz, the focus is on investment to score fast with a succesfull hit or album. Many artists don't have much creative room to grow anymore than in previous centuries.
Music classes in education have been scrapped from the school-program, and to some degree hiphop has played a part in the recording-process because less musicians had to be hired which cutted the studio-costs.
Technology of instrumentation evolved with brands such as the Linn drum-machine and the Roland TR-808 drum-machine as one of the first 2 main devices in recording which replaced the real live-drummer.
These new electronics were getting more popular for recording. Even Prince + Jam & Lewis used this technology. The drum machine has become the basic instrument for current producers, hence the term "beatmakers".
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Reply #9 posted 06/21/09 10:16am

Shango

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Interesting points are made in this current topic : http://faac.us/adf/messag...1245512878
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Reply #10 posted 06/21/09 2:00pm

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Reply #11 posted 06/21/09 3:01pm

TD3

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novabrkr said:

elem55 said:

you still got youtube.


What? lol

Surely you could get some of those original records instead. I mean, at the very least people should bother to steal those records as high bitrate mp3s by using p2p -programs. The sound quality in streamed videos really does not usually do justice to the music.

Yeah, I listen to stuff on youtube sometimes too, but let's not consider it the new standard for music appreciation. wink


I think every knows the quality of sound maybe woefully inferior but like it or not U-Tube is the new radio. What U-Tube has done an will do is, introduce artist/musician's/singers of generations past to listener's who for various reasons never seen, heard, nor had the pleasure of listening to them. smile
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Reply #12 posted 06/21/09 4:40pm

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Even if all these same solo artists and groups came along right now, it would not register in the same special way.

The mainstream music scene has atrophied. Greatness in music is no longer the profit center it once was.

And that’s okay. All other art forms have already been there and done that.

So, big deal, kids won’t be bathed in it anymore. But the smartest ones will seek it out, find it under rocks and on the back sides of grassy knolls.
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Reply #13 posted 06/21/09 4:44pm

Timmy84

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TD3 said:

novabrkr said:



What? lol

Surely you could get some of those original records instead. I mean, at the very least people should bother to steal those records as high bitrate mp3s by using p2p -programs. The sound quality in streamed videos really does not usually do justice to the music.

Yeah, I listen to stuff on youtube sometimes too, but let's not consider it the new standard for music appreciation. wink


I think every knows the quality of sound maybe woefully inferior but like it or not U-Tube is the new radio. What U-Tube has done an will do is, introduce artist/musician's/singers of generations past to listener's who for various reasons never seen, heard, nor had the pleasure of listening to them. smile


I'll say the same about IMEEM and Last.fm.
"You were born free, you got fucked out of half of it, and you wave a flag celebrating it." -- Doug Stanhope flag


"I don't sound like nobody." -- Elvis Presley
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Reply #14 posted 06/21/09 8:14pm

chuckaducci

Shango said:

I grew up with those classics too and bought many releases of them, though i'll always be curious for interesting new acts.
There is quality out there if you're willing to search for it, even some of it is more located at the independent area these days, but easier to find with today's worldwide search-engine.

Anthony Hamilton
Bugz In The Attic
Frank McComb
Kaidi Tatham
Lamone Andrews
Ledisi
Mint Condition
New Sector Movements
Raphael Saadiq
Roy Hargrove & RH Factor
Xantoné Blacq

Much more to find, such as online-stations like http://soulsorts.co.uk/ , www.solarradio.com , www.starpointradio.com where a variety of classic & new quality soul is presented weekly.
http://soulchoonz.blogspot.com/ is a blog which represents 70's/ 80's / 90's & 00's. There's just more happening beneath the surface of commercial radio.
[Edited 6/21/09 10:14am]



You took the words right out of my mouth, dude. I agree one hundred percent.
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Reply #15 posted 06/22/09 12:38am

Sandino

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chuckaducci said:

Shango said:

I grew up with those classics too and bought many releases of them, though i'll always be curious for interesting new acts.
There is quality out there if you're willing to search for it, even some of it is more located at the independent area these days, but easier to find with today's worldwide search-engine.

Anthony Hamilton
Bugz In The Attic
Frank McComb
Kaidi Tatham
Lamone Andrews
Ledisi
Mint Condition
New Sector Movements
Raphael Saadiq
Roy Hargrove & RH Factor
Xantoné Blacq

Much more to find, such as online-stations like http://soulsorts.co.uk/ , www.solarradio.com , www.starpointradio.com where a variety of classic & new quality soul is presented weekly.
http://soulchoonz.blogspot.com/ is a blog which represents 70's/ 80's / 90's & 00's. There's just more happening beneath the surface of commercial radio.
[Edited 6/21/09 10:14am]



You took the words right out of my mouth, dude. I agree one hundred percent.


Not a one of those links points me to new, great funk bands. Soul is cool, but what's the point of life if you ain't on the one!?!

Anyway, yeah I agree but not entirely with the OP, I believe there are a few reasons why mainstream music isn't as good as it used to be:

1)GOT damn Rap music. Says it all really, and if you don't understand that then your apart of the problem.

2)Music videos. Completely changed the criterion record companies used when searching for new artists.

3)Technology. IN the hands of the creative(Stevie Wonder, Hendrix, The Beatles etc.) it can be a powerful tool to progress pop music via studio experimentation. IN the hands of uncreative people(or less creative which is 90% of the population) it's a crutch(LIl Waynme, T-Pain, Rihanna etc.)
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Did Prince ever deny he had sex with his sister? I believe not. So there U have it..
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Reply #16 posted 06/22/09 1:30am

brooksie

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Not gonna be PC here.....this music was popular to nearly exclusivity w/ Black folks. Once hip hop and other Black forms of music had a majority of White buyers...the sounds that weren't favored were phased out of the commercial mainstream, rnb as we once knew it became a thing of the past OR extremely obscure. Who ever thought we'd have to SEARCH for rnb? lol
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Reply #17 posted 06/22/09 1:32am

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Of course, rnb almost killed off the blues and jazz UNTIL the English "discovered" them. This must be mentioned! wink
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Reply #18 posted 06/22/09 2:28am

Shango

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chuckaducci said:

Shango said:

I grew up with those classics too and bought many releases of them, though i'll always be curious for interesting new acts.
There is quality out there if you're willing to search for it, even some of it is more located at the independent area these days, but easier to find with today's worldwide search-engine.

Anthony Hamilton
Bugz In The Attic
Frank McComb
Kaidi Tatham
Lamone Andrews
Ledisi
Mint Condition
New Sector Movements
Raphael Saadiq
Roy Hargrove & RH Factor
Xantoné Blacq

Much more to find, such as online-stations like http://soulsorts.co.uk/ , www.solarradio.com , www.starpointradio.com where a variety of classic & new quality soul is presented weekly.
http://soulchoonz.blogspot.com/ is a blog which represents 70's/ 80's / 90's & 00's. There's just more happening beneath the surface of commercial radio.
[Edited 6/21/09 10:14am]



You took the words right out of my mouth, dude. I agree one hundred percent.

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It's great that independent artists have the possibility to represent their work in today's digital media. I was told that during the 80's the Tower recordshop in L.A. once had a department where independent artists with recorded work but without a label or distributor could represent their demo's. Good current outlets for independent demo's are myspace and cdbaby, which has an expanded r&b department : http://cdbaby.com/style/urban

Jazz-Not-Jazz is another great site to explore :

http://jazz-not-jazz.com/vintage.html

http://blog.jazz-not-jazz...gory/funk/

http://blog.jazz-not-jazz...gory/soul/

http://blog.jazz-not-jazz.com/
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Reply #19 posted 06/22/09 7:17am

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lets not start blaming the races of who destroyed the r&b industry....

I find myself always having to search for good r&b music. Growing up in the late 80's and 90's I always had my hand at the weka sto crates digging..and now I'm still having to find funk that I missed on the net and funk that's coming out today.

Its a NEVERENDING search!
dancing jig
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Reply #20 posted 06/22/09 8:09am

2elijah

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elem55 said:

Was there somthing in the water, The sheer originality of Black groups was staggering.
To have so many groups that had their own sound and were easily identifiable
is just crazy when compared to artists today. And the quality of the music
was at such a high standard. Think about just these few artists or groups out at the same time (tip of the iceberg by the way).

EWF
Blue Magic
Barkays
Cameo
Stylistics
Confunkshun
BT express
Brass Construction
Mass Production
O'Bryan
Shalamar
Commodores
Marvin Gaye
Curtis Mayfield
Aretha Franklin
Gladys Knight
Harold Melvin and the Blue Notes
The Spinners
The Dramatics
The Main Ingredient
Prince
Rick James
Michael Jackson

I could go on all day with this list, but look at how original this tiny list is.
It is sad to say but I dont think you will ever see an explosion of raw talent
in music especially Black music like you did in the 70's and 80's. It's over, dead, stick a fork in it. If you grew up on it consider yourself blessed if you didn't you still got youtube.



They were awesome. I loved the Main Ingredients, Curtis Mayfield, The Delfonics, The Stylistics, etc. I agree, you won't find that kind of talent because record companies aren't seeking out "raw talent", but manufactured BS instead. I love the music of the 70s, those were "the best times", including the motown sound of the mid to late 60s as well.
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Reply #21 posted 06/22/09 9:18am

Timmy84

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paisleypark4 said:

lets not start blaming the races of who destroyed the r&b industry....

I find myself always having to search for good r&b music. Growing up in the late 80's and 90's I always had my hand at the weka sto crates digging..and now I'm still having to find funk that I missed on the net and funk that's coming out today.

Its a NEVERENDING search!
dancing jig


I agree. I used to think like some other people here but I'm convinced the good music is still out there. Like you said you gotta search for it. nod
"You were born free, you got fucked out of half of it, and you wave a flag celebrating it." -- Doug Stanhope flag


"I don't sound like nobody." -- Elvis Presley
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Reply #22 posted 06/22/09 12:43pm

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paisleypark4 said:

lets not start blaming the races of who destroyed the r&b industry....

I find myself always having to search for good r&b music. Growing up in the late 80's and 90's I always had my hand at the weka sto crates digging..and now I'm still having to find funk that I missed on the net and funk that's coming out today.

Its a NEVERENDING search!
dancing jig


lol LOL...I told you I wasn't gonna be PC, but the point of it is that you HAVE to SEARCH whereas in the past you didn't. Ignoring the reasons why doesn't make much sense. It is what it is.

I don't blame "other races" for this...I blame Black artists for this one, thanks. See what I said about the blues and jazz?
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Reply #23 posted 06/22/09 12:44pm

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Timmy84 said:

paisleypark4 said:

lets not start blaming the races of who destroyed the r&b industry....

I find myself always having to search for good r&b music. Growing up in the late 80's and 90's I always had my hand at the weka sto crates digging..and now I'm still having to find funk that I missed on the net and funk that's coming out today.

Its a NEVERENDING search!
dancing jig


I agree. I used to think like some other people here but I'm convinced the good music is still out there. Like you said you gotta search for it. nod


Sorry Timmy, but you don't have to SEARCH for rock, now do you?
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Reply #24 posted 06/22/09 1:24pm

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brooksie said:

Timmy84 said:



I agree. I used to think like some other people here but I'm convinced the good music is still out there. Like you said you gotta search for it. nod


Sorry Timmy, but you don't have to SEARCH for rock, now do you?


Im finding it heavy punk 80's rock are heavily underground and released on 45's and such.
Download all the shit hop that you can for your kids, neices, nephews, and their friends also. That will prevent them from going out and buying it and will prevent some shit hop sales. Every little bit helps - Andy
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paisleypark4 said:

brooksie said:



Sorry Timmy, but you don't have to SEARCH for rock, now do you?


Im finding it heavy punk 80's rock are heavily underground and released on 45's and such.


What? Punk wasn't heavily underground in the 80s. It played on alternative/college FM radio. Punk wasn't mainstream then (it never was), but it was not difficult to find on the dial.

Between record stores and non pop formatted radio stations you could find alots of anything that was US/UK based. World music, OTOH, may have been difficult to find, depending on where you were.
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Timmy84

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brooksie said:

Timmy84 said:



I agree. I used to think like some other people here but I'm convinced the good music is still out there. Like you said you gotta search for it. nod


Sorry Timmy, but you don't have to SEARCH for rock, now do you?


Maybe, lol. Like I said, when I do think about it, I'll search but usually I never hear about NEW ROCK here. Somebody direct me. lol
"You were born free, you got fucked out of half of it, and you wave a flag celebrating it." -- Doug Stanhope flag


"I don't sound like nobody." -- Elvis Presley
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Reply #27 posted 06/22/09 1:31pm

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brooksie said:

paisleypark4 said:



Im finding it heavy punk 80's rock are heavily underground and released on 45's and such.


What? Punk wasn't heavily underground in the 80s. It played on alternative/college FM radio. Punk wasn't mainstream thebut (but it never was), but it was not difficult to find on the dial.

Between record stores and non pop formatted radio stations you could find alots of anything that was US/UK based. World music, OTOH, may have been difficult to find, depending on where you were.


But there was only a section of punk artists out there and new wave artists that were incorrectly identified as punk.

Yo Paisley, hook a brotha up on some music I can find and listen to online. I've been looking to make a modern new wave/punk rock mixtape. I'm trying to diversify my musical portfolio. biggrin
"You were born free, you got fucked out of half of it, and you wave a flag celebrating it." -- Doug Stanhope flag


"I don't sound like nobody." -- Elvis Presley
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Reply #28 posted 06/22/09 1:32pm

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Timmy84 said:

brooksie said:



Sorry Timmy, but you don't have to SEARCH for rock, now do you?


Maybe, lol. Like I said, when I do think about it, I'll search but usually I never hear about NEW ROCK here. Somebody direct me. lol


PRINCE has a new album out, right? lol
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Reply #29 posted 06/22/09 1:32pm

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brooksie said:

Timmy84 said:



Maybe, lol. Like I said, when I do think about it, I'll search but usually I never hear about NEW ROCK here. Somebody direct me. lol


PRINCE has a new album out, right? lol


I'm looking for non-Prince rock, thank you. lol Mr. Nelson is just not doing it for me musical wise lately. confused
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