Vitiligo

I wanted to start this thread to show some people with vitiligo who have turned all the way or almost all the way white i thought it would be an interesting discussion

http://www.avrf.org/images/people/desiree_cc.jpg

http://a.abcnews.com/images/2020/Desiree_Vitiligo_080327_mn.jpg

http://a.abcnews.com/Health/Story?id=4535420&page=3

http://www.jacksonaction.com/text/vitiligo-filer/image002.jpg

http://www.geocities.com/queen_gyal/zoomer.jpg

this is the person in the link above before

http://www.geocities.com/queen_gyal/nikegyal2.bmp

oh and since i understand this forum should be about musicians i may as well throw Mj's name in there. How do you think these people compare to him

cdcgold said:

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I still don't think MJ has vitiligo

Picture of person who actually did bleach there skin

http://newswatchgambia.com/9/skin_bleaching_2.jpg

have you seen the show Tyra did? there was a women on the show who had been bleaching for TEN years and she wasn't that much lighter than when she started if she was even lighter at all

also when they tried to trick the people into to thinking they could make them white the DERMATOLOGIST even said it couldn't be done.

As if Michael's name wouldn't be mentioned in such a thread. Can we toss this to GD anyway? Or better yet, quit awhile we're ahead?

I'm sorry but you can't Bleach your skin as white as mj's skin is its impossible after all these years someone would have figured out his secret if you could,how is he the only one. You can bleach you skin but it is not going to get any lighter than maybe a shade or two at that.

They only people i have ever seen with Stark white skin anywhere on there body like mj is people with vitiligo

cdcgold said:

Here's my take on it. If one were to actually bleach their skin to that extreme, it would actually, burn or turn pink, because of the person bleaching it until the skin raw. Michael, unlike other people may have chosen to let the disease be, or has chosen take the pigmentation out of his skin all together. I can see why. Why leave the disease to chance and have my skin color uneven, when I can medically have the color of my skin removed. This would leave an even tone all around.

Mars23 said:

I personally think Mike is speckled, like a pony.

You don't need directions and you don't need cash. From your Jimmy Choos to your Ultralash. ~ Prince
And when the groove is dead and gone, you know that Love survives so we can rock FOREVER. ~ RIP MJ

It's a damn shame people don't know the difference between skin bleaching cream and depigmentation.

cdcgold said:

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Politicians should dress like race car drivers, then we'd know who their corporate sponsors are.

trueiopian said:

I still don't think MJ has vitiligo

hey hey hey i'm not trying to start something i just don't understand where this skin bleaching crap came from. My mom has a friend who's been bleaching her skin for a few years( don't ask me why) is she is not a shade lighter( even though she would like to believe so) . I just want to know if he bleached his skin why is he the only one who's ever gone from medium brown to white. There are so many self hating black people who would love to get their hands on this "magic turn you white formula" i think by now someone would have found out about it and started selling it on the black market. or at least there would be some "bleached white" people in Africa or India where bleaching is rampant. but there isn't any time you read about people who bleach from those countries those people are usaully horribly burned of maybe just a little lighter.

and i don't think he depigmented either i think his "even" complextion has always been the result of some very professional hollywood makeup and a personal make up artist. Oh and they do make waterproof/sweatproof makeup. what do you think they put on actors during rain and pool scenes. mj may have worn it at times when he knew he was going to get wet, but maybe not all the time which would account for those pictures where the makeup has come off and you can see the spots

how exactly does one "bleach" their skin? I'm not saying it can't be done,I was just wondering how it works.Bleach is a dangerous substance.I couldn't imagine rubbing it all over my skin!!

SoulAlive said:

how exactly does one "bleach" their skin? I'm not saying it can't be done,I was just wondering how it works.Bleach is a dangerous substance.I couldn't imagine rubbing it all over my skin!!

JackieBlue said:

SoulAlive said:

how exactly does one "bleach" their skin? I'm not saying it can't be done,I was just wondering how it works.Bleach is a dangerous substance.I couldn't imagine rubbing it all over my skin!!

They don't use actual bleach like laundry bleach but there are over the counter and prescription creams that people can use. Usually they might be recommended for age spots or scars, discolored areas from acne, etc.

Apparently a used prescription tube of 'bleaching' cream was found with Michael's things that he left in that storage room.

But I love how someone comes to a music forum on a Prince site and just decides to start a thread about vitiligo of all things then throws in Michael's name because after all, it is a music forum. But hey they're not trying to start anything...

Nikademus said:

JackieBlue said:

But I love how someone comes to a music forum on a Prince site and just decides to start a thread about vitiligo of all things then throws in Michael's name because after all, it is a music forum. But hey they're not trying to start anything...

shorttrini said:

trueiopian said:

shorttrini said:

Here's my take on it. If one were to actually bleach their skin to that extreme, it would actually, burn or turn pink, because of the person bleaching it until the skin raw. Michael, unlike other people may have chosen to let the disease be, or has chosen take the pigmentation out of his skin all together. I can see why. Why leave the disease to chance and have my skin color uneven, when I can medically have the color of my skin removed. This would leave an even tone all around.

He probably made a deal with a dermatologist to give him the digpigmentation treatment. Besides even if he did have vitiligo he could've got RE-pigmentation and remained black So I'm not buying that " I have vitiligo" sh!t

Annika said:

trueiopian said:

He probably made a deal with a dermatologist to give him the digpigmentation treatment. Besides even if he did have vitiligo he could've got RE-pigmentation and remained black So I'm not buying that " I have vitiligo" sh!t

He could have, but if we assume for a moment that he really does have full body vitiligo (not saying that he does, but assuming), it would be a lot easier to go the depigmentation route than the repigmentation one, since any new pigment would be destroyed too, meaning he would have to keep going back and getting it redone, and he would constantly be blotchy. Plus, it's unlikely that the repigmentation treatment would ever take enough to get him back to his original colour, so...

Or at least, that's my understanding of it.

trueiopian said:

Annika said:

trueiopian said:

From pictures I've seen it appears that Michael gradually got lighter and as far as I know vitiligo doesn't do that ish! Micheal Jackson had what is called [post in flammatory Hyper-pigmentation] as a result of severe adolescent acne.I think the whole Vitiligo explanation was devised by Jackson’s publicists and he is trapped in this tragic lie. Karen Frye made those comments on the michael jackson rebuttal show to the Martin Bashir documentary. Frye was on the MJ payroll, and so was his former ‘wife’ Debbie Rowe.Frye and Rowe say what MJ pays them to say. Frye never once used the word Vitiligo

Like I said, I'm not saying he actually has it. I was just responding to your post where you said if he did, he could have had it repigmented.

Annika said:

trueiopian said:

He probably made a deal with a dermatologist to give him the digpigmentation treatment. Besides even if he did have vitiligo he could've got RE-pigmentation and remained black So I'm not buying that " I have vitiligo" sh!t

He could have, but if we assume for a moment that he really does have full body vitiligo (not saying that he does, but assuming), it would be a lot easier to go the depigmentation route than the repigmentation one, since any new pigment would be destroyed too, meaning he would have to keep going back and getting it redone, and he would constantly be blotchy. Plus, it's unlikely that the repigmentation treatment would ever take enough to get him back to his original colour, so...

Or at least, that's my understanding of it.

trueiopian said:

shorttrini said:

SoulAlive said:

JackieBlue said:

But I love how someone comes to a music forum on a Prince site and just decides to start a thread about vitiligo of all things then throws in Michael's name because after all, it is a music forum. But hey they're not trying to start anything...

I guess this is their "discreet" way of starting another MJ thread?

trueiopian said:

shorttrini said:

Here's my take on it. If one were to actually bleach their skin to that extreme, it would actually, burn or turn pink, because of the person bleaching it until the skin raw. Michael, unlike other people may have chosen to let the disease be, or has chosen take the pigmentation out of his skin all together. I can see why. Why leave the disease to chance and have my skin color uneven, when I can medically have the color of my skin removed. This would leave an even tone all around.

He probably made a deal with a dermatologist to give him the digpigmentation treatment. Besides even if he did have vitiligo he could've got RE-pigmentation and remained black So I'm not buying that " I have vitiligo" sh!t

Plus- he gradually got lighter...
[Edited 1/28/09 8:29am]

You don't need directions and you don't need cash. From your Jimmy Choos to your Ultralash. ~ Prince
And when the groove is dead and gone, you know that Love survives so we can rock FOREVER. ~ RIP MJ

If you're really interested about learning more about this disease check out this reporter's book. He's done many interviews discussing his battle with vitiligo.

TV Reporter Tells The Story Of His Battle With Vitiligo

Lee Thomas, a black television reporter from Detroit, is turning white before his viewers' eyes. Literally. The veteran reporter has vitiligo, and has recently written about his struggle with the skin disease in a memoir called Turning White: A Memoir of Change.

"I'm a black man turning white on television and people can see it," says Thomas, an anchor and entertainment reporter for the local Fox Broadcasting Company affiliate. "If you've watched me over the years, you've seen my hands completely change from brown to white."

It's not fatal, but experts say vitiligo robs people of self-confidence, evokes ridicule and unpleasant stares, and pushes some into unforced seclusion.

The 40-year-old Thomas says that's not where the disorder needs to be…

http://www.turningwhite.com/

IN HIS THOUGHT-PROVOKING MEMOIR, Turning White, Emmy Award-winning TV broadcaster Lee Thomas shares the physical and mental battle he is waging with vitiligo — a skin disorder that is literally turning him white. At age 25, Thomas had a dream job in a dream city — a feature/entertainment reporter for the ABC network’s flagship TV station in New York. Then he discovered a few white spots on his scalp, the small beginnings of a disease that has spread to half his face — a fact he covers with makeup when on camera. As someone in the public eye, vitiligo has transformed not only Thomas’ color, but his life. “Even people who have known me for years avoid eye contact when they see my face without makeup for the first time,” he writes. Recently, Thomas turned the spotlight on himself during a special report for WJBK FOX 2 Detroit, where he is currently an entertainment reporter.

Lee inspiring story has touched people from South Africa to Sacramento. The book has lead this award winning broadcaster around the country speaking at national conferences, businesses and literary events touching people with his empowering and motivational story.

LEE THOMAS is a playwright, journalist, and four-time Emmy Award-winning television broadcaster. Currently residing in Detroit, he is an anchor/entertainment reporter and regularly goes to Hollywood to chat with the stars.

Thomas has a B.A. in Speech Communications from George Mason University in Fairfax, Virginia. He can be seen daily on Fox 2 News Morning in Detroit.

You don't need directions and you don't need cash. From your Jimmy Choos to your Ultralash. ~ Prince
And when the groove is dead and gone, you know that Love survives so we can rock FOREVER. ~ RIP MJ

SCNDLS said:

trueiopian said:

He probably made a deal with a dermatologist to give him the digpigmentation treatment. Besides even if he did have vitiligo he could've got RE-pigmentation and remained black So I'm not buying that " I have vitiligo" sh!t

Plus- he gradually got lighter...
[Edited 1/28/09 8:29am]

"Re-pigmentation" doesn't work on most victims of vitiligo. It's rarely successful from what I've heard.

bboy87 said:

You don't need directions and you don't need cash. From your Jimmy Choos to your Ultralash. ~ Prince
And when the groove is dead and gone, you know that Love survives so we can rock FOREVER. ~ RIP MJ

I can tell U one thing. It is a tough thing 2 deal with.

I have it. Not all over, but it tends 2 affect the face, hands, and genital areas.

Since the latter area on me is primarily brown, the white blotches R a bit shocking, so when I meet a new lover, I always have 2 wonder what it's gonna be like when she finds out that I'm like the United Colors of Benetton down there.

Vitiligo is NOT a disease... it isn't related 2 health in the way of a disease. It is most commonly accepted that it is genetic, and a reaction occurs where the body's immune system is overactive, and mistakenly attacks the pigment cells 4 no logical reason.

Another note, this time on repigmentation. It doesn't work, nor is it recommended.

Also, using darker makeup 2 conceal the lighter spots doesn't work so well, so when makeup is the option, it is generally a lighter shade.

I'm not saying anything about MJ, 'cause who knows what the real deal is with him. It very well could be Vitiligo with him though.

Giovanni777 said:

You don't need directions and you don't need cash. From your Jimmy Choos to your Ultralash. ~ Prince
And when the groove is dead and gone, you know that Love survives so we can rock FOREVER. ~ RIP MJ

shorttrini said:

Giovanni777 said:

SCNDLS said:

If you're really interested about learning more about this disease check out this reporter's book. He's done many interviews discussing his battle with vitiligo.

TV Reporter Tells The Story Of His Battle With Vitiligo

Lee Thomas, a black television reporter from Detroit, is turning white before his viewers' eyes. Literally. The veteran reporter has vitiligo, and has recently written about his struggle with the skin disease in a memoir called Turning White: A Memoir of Change.

"I'm a black man turning white on television and people can see it," says Thomas, an anchor and entertainment reporter for the local Fox Broadcasting Company affiliate. "If you've watched me over the years, you've seen my hands completely change from brown to white."

It's not fatal, but experts say vitiligo robs people of self-confidence, evokes ridicule and unpleasant stares, and pushes some into unforced seclusion.

The 40-year-old Thomas says that's not where the disorder needs to be…

http://www.turningwhite.com/

IN HIS THOUGHT-PROVOKING MEMOIR, Turning White, Emmy Award-winning TV broadcaster Lee Thomas shares the physical and mental battle he is waging with vitiligo — a skin disorder that is literally turning him white. At age 25, Thomas had a dream job in a dream city — a feature/entertainment reporter for the ABC network’s flagship TV station in New York. Then he discovered a few white spots on his scalp, the small beginnings of a disease that has spread to half his face — a fact he covers with makeup when on camera. As someone in the public eye, vitiligo has transformed not only Thomas’ color, but his life. “Even people who have known me for years avoid eye contact when they see my face without makeup for the first time,” he writes. Recently, Thomas turned the spotlight on himself during a special report for WJBK FOX 2 Detroit, where he is currently an entertainment reporter.

Lee inspiring story has touched people from South Africa to Sacramento. The book has lead this award winning broadcaster around the country speaking at national conferences, businesses and literary events touching people with his empowering and motivational story.

LEE THOMAS is a playwright, journalist, and four-time Emmy Award-winning television broadcaster. Currently residing in Detroit, he is an anchor/entertainment reporter and regularly goes to Hollywood to chat with the stars.

Thomas has a B.A. in Speech Communications from George Mason University in Fairfax, Virginia. He can be seen daily on Fox 2 News Morning in Detroit.

bboy87 said:

shorttrini said:

Some of those pictures that you mentioned like most pictures of celebrities have been retouched. So, we really don't what the condition of his skin was. You cannot really go back a magazine or other tabloid photo's.

It has a lot to do with makeup too

I've brought this example up before so here it is again:

This was Michael on the Bad tour:
One day:

another day:




[img][/img]

bboy87 said:

shorttrini said:

Some of those pictures that you mentioned like most pictures of celebrities have been retouched. So, we really don't what the condition of his skin was. You cannot really go back a magazine or other tabloid photo's.

It has a lot to do with makeup too

I've brought this example up before so here it is again:

This was Michael on the Bad tour:
One day:

another day:




[img][/img]

whatsgoingon said:

SCNDLS said:

If you're really interested about learning more about this disease check out this reporter's book. He's done many interviews discussing his battle with vitiligo.

TV Reporter Tells The Story Of His Battle With Vitiligo

Lee Thomas, a black television reporter from Detroit, is turning white before his viewers' eyes. Literally. The veteran reporter has vitiligo, and has recently written about his struggle with the skin disease in a memoir called Turning White: A Memoir of Change.

"I'm a black man turning white on television and people can see it," says Thomas, an anchor and entertainment reporter for the local Fox Broadcasting Company affiliate. "If you've watched me over the years, you've seen my hands completely change from brown to white."

It's not fatal, but experts say vitiligo robs people of self-confidence, evokes ridicule and unpleasant stares, and pushes some into unforced seclusion.

The 40-year-old Thomas says that's not where the disorder needs to be…

http://www.turningwhite.com/

IN HIS THOUGHT-PROVOKING MEMOIR, Turning White, Emmy Award-winning TV broadcaster Lee Thomas shares the physical and mental battle he is waging with vitiligo — a skin disorder that is literally turning him white. At age 25, Thomas had a dream job in a dream city — a feature/entertainment reporter for the ABC network’s flagship TV station in New York. Then he discovered a few white spots on his scalp, the small beginnings of a disease that has spread to half his face — a fact he covers with makeup when on camera. As someone in the public eye, vitiligo has transformed not only Thomas’ color, but his life. “Even people who have known me for years avoid eye contact when they see my face without makeup for the first time,” he writes. Recently, Thomas turned the spotlight on himself during a special report for WJBK FOX 2 Detroit, where he is currently an entertainment reporter.

Lee inspiring story has touched people from South Africa to Sacramento. The book has lead this award winning broadcaster around the country speaking at national conferences, businesses and literary events touching people with his empowering and motivational story.

LEE THOMAS is a playwright, journalist, and four-time Emmy Award-winning television broadcaster. Currently residing in Detroit, he is an anchor/entertainment reporter and regularly goes to Hollywood to chat with the stars.

Thomas has a B.A. in Speech Communications from George Mason University in Fairfax, Virginia. He can be seen daily on Fox 2 News Morning in Detroit.

Well, if anyone can show us a convincing picture of Michael like the above, then the vitiligo story may just wash. But fans can never post a convincing picture of Michael when he was prominetly brown with big white blotches all over his hands and face, because they just don't exist. There are pictures of MJ with severe acne out there but no pictures of him with the initial stages of vitiligo.

You don't need directions and you don't need cash. From your Jimmy Choos to your Ultralash. ~ Prince
And when the groove is dead and gone, you know that Love survives so we can rock FOREVER. ~ RIP MJ

midnightmover said:

bboy87 said:

It has a lot to do with makeup too

I've brought this example up before so here it is again:

This was Michael on the Bad tour:
One day:

another day:




[img][/img]

These pictures are from different years.

SCNDLS said:

whatsgoingon said:

Well, if anyone can show us a convincing picture of Michael like the above, then the vitiligo story may just wash. But fans can never post a convincing picture of Michael when he was prominetly brown with big white blotches all over his hands and face, because they just don't exist. There are pictures of MJ with severe acne out there but no pictures of him with the initial stages of vitiligo.

Of course there's not a picture of that if he wears makeup ALL the time, like most entertainers do when they step outside their home. I believe that MJ has complex issues about his appearance and the vitiligo was the final straw in his mind. With or without it he would've been obsessive about his appearance anyway. A lot of things are true about celebs or people in general regardless of whether there's photographic evidence. I've known people that had vitiligo but it was YEARS before I found out because they used makeup all the time, so I had no idea, not that it was any of my damn business. They told me about it when THEY were ready to. So it is quite possible to conceal it especially if you have a complex about it.

bboy87 said:

midnightmover said:

SCNDLS said:

Of course there's not a picture of that if he wears makeup ALL the time, like most entertainers do when they step outside their home. I believe that MJ has complex issues about his appearance and the vitiligo was the final straw in his mind. With or without it he would've been obsessive about his appearance anyway. A lot of things are true about celebs or people in general regardless of whether there's photographic evidence. I've known people that had vitiligo but it was YEARS before I found out because they used makeup all the time, so I had no idea, not that it was any of my damn business. They told me about it when THEY were ready to. So it is quite possible to conceal it especially if you have a complex about it.

You've undermined your own argument. Your friends were able to hide it, which means presumably they stayed the same colour by using make up that matched their original skin tone. No-one has ever been able to explain why Mike didn't just do that. Why did he get gradually lighter?

You don't need directions and you don't need cash. From your Jimmy Choos to your Ultralash. ~ Prince
And when the groove is dead and gone, you know that Love survives so we can rock FOREVER. ~ RIP MJ

SCNDLS said:

midnightmover said:

You've undermined your own argument. Your friends were able to hide it, which means presumably they stayed the same colour by using make up that matched their original skin tone. No-one has ever been able to explain why Mike didn't just do that. Why did he get gradually lighter?

You're assuming shit cuz I didn't say they didn't change shades, you ASSumed that. Black folks, like everybody else, can change color from one day to the next depending on the season and sun exposure. So, someone getting lighter wouldn't indicate anything in particular to me. I myself keep at least THREE different shades of makeup because even though I'm dark, my face can fluctuate 3 makeup shades. So, someone appearing lighter is NOT that big a deal to me cuz my friends and I do that all time.

midnightmover said:

SCNDLS said:

You're assuming shit cuz I didn't say they didn't change shades, you ASSumed that. Black folks, like everybody else, can change color from one day to the next depending on the season and sun exposure. So, someone getting lighter wouldn't indicate anything in particular to me. I myself keep at least THREE different shades of makeup because even though I'm dark, my face can fluctuate 3 makeup shades. So, someone appearing lighter is NOT that big a deal to me cuz my friends and I do that all time.

You're on shaky ground. You've seen how drastic MJ's colour changes were. He got massively lighter as the years went by. Are you telling me with a straight face that your friends also underwent that degree of lightening? Please be honest.

You don't need directions and you don't need cash. From your Jimmy Choos to your Ultralash. ~ Prince
And when the groove is dead and gone, you know that Love survives so we can rock FOREVER. ~ RIP MJ

I knew of one relative who had vitiligo but his didn't spread the way the news reporter's spread so I guess it depends on what causes some to lose the majority of their skin tone. It may have a lot to do with stressful situations plus acne is a serious problem that can result in having a skin condition like vitiligo or a skin disease like lupus.

SCNDLS said:

midnightmover said:

You're on shaky ground. You've seen how drastic MJ's colour changes were. He got massively lighter as the years went by. Are you telling me with a straight face that your friends also underwent that degree of lightening? Please be honest.

You're the one that keeps taking leaps to shit I'm not even saying so I'ma leave you to it.

Timmy84 said:

midnightmover said:

midnightmover said:

bboy87 said:

[quote] Well, if anyone can show us a convincing picture of Michael like the above, then the vitiligo story may just wash. But fans can never post a convincing picture of Michael when he was prominetly brown with big white blotches all over his hands and face, because they just don't exist. There are pictures of MJ with severe acne out there but no pictures of him with the initial stages of vitiligo.

maybe there are no pictures because he was/is embarrased about it and didn't want people to see it. most people with vitiligo talk about how hard is. don't you realize a lot of vitiligo sufferers are made fun of if they go out with no makeup. you can't judge michael just beacuse he didn't release a photo album of his condition, most vitiligo suffers cover it up thats why a lot of people don't even know what it is. Think about 65 million people around the world have vitiligo and yet you very seldom see people with it out in public beacuse those who have it usually hide it. Even lee thomas said he understands why michael hid it . I think Thomas is more qualified to make a judgement on the issue than some of you guys


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtHW7ptF76c

on another note did they even have repigmentation in the 80's?

also for those talking about him getting gradually lighter i am sure many vitiligo sufferers have done this by gradually using lighter makeup I am going to post the entire story a person with vitiligo put in the comments on the floacist website. this person " gradually" got lighter but was really using lighter makeup beacuse she ( like michael) realized it was a waste of time slattering brown make up over too much white skin evey day


from the floacist website

http://floacist.wordpress.com/2007/06/12/full-information-on-vitiligo-michael-jackson/#comments


How about none of your business for the people who figure they dont believe. You not the one that had to go through it so you will base lack of knowledge to assuption.

Ive had vitiligo all my life from age 3 till now 32. Not alot of people new I had vitiligo when I was alot younger even me because it was one or two little spots.
http://www.geocities.com/queen_gyal/nikegyal2.bmp

When I was about between 10 to 14 was the most horrible years of being a teen. From 13 years old 1990 to 2002 which is 12 years I wore make-up every, every, every day. If anyone popped up at my house unannounced I never, never answered the door. Why because I did not have my make up on.
http://www.geocities.com/queen_gyal/portrait.JPG

In 2002 I made a change from wearing dark make-up (ebony complex) to wearing a light ivory tone makeup, drastic visual change? Yes.
http://www.geocities.com/queen_gyal/cyar.jpg

I went from being at work on Friday as a dark skin woman to being at work on Monday as a light skin woman.

Im no celebrity and people I worked with though I had a proceedure done over the weekend LOL. Nope!!! I just changed makeup because I was pretty much putting dark makeup over to much white skin.

Now I live with over 75% of white skin. Some think Im mixed with something, you know bi-racial etc. At times I may look to some as if I am albino, it depends.
http://www.geocities.com/queen_gyal/zoomer.jpg

I wore long sleeves, pants and could not wait for summer to be over because wearing make up in 100 degree weather is excruciating lol..

I my legs are still blotchy and my arms also have blotches of dark area. My face is completely covered with vitiligo and I look Light skinned to many or of hispanic, puerto-rican decent. But will forever be a black woman of Trinidadian decent.

We know lots of folk may think im lying. But its true to me because its my experience that I would not wish on anyone. No just because you did not have to go through something like this or have the outrageous reasoning of what your choices would be if you had it is idiotic. you cant answer that question unless you went through it. Through elementry school, middle school, high school, college, life, forever and ever, every day, every day.

Have I tried repigmentation? yes. Did i feel it would work for me? no am I trying depigmentation. hell to the yes. why? why the hell wouldnt I? Aren’t you enjoying being one complection? So i would to, even at the risk of experiencing crappy sun burn on a beautiful sunny day.
MOST RECENT PIC
http://www.geocities.com/queen_gyal/IMAGE_034.jpg
BRING IT ON TO ALL THE PHOTOSHOP EXPERTS.. WHATCHA THINK? CAUSE YOU KNOW EVERYTHING RIGHT?

trueiopian said:

trueiopian said:

oh and to the person who said Karyn faye was paid or whatever tell why would she lie about it she has nothing to gain? oh but I guess you people think mj pays everyone in the world off ( an easy copout instead of presenting facts for your arguments if you ask me) but whatever believe what you want.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiYBRrRTwUg


oh and i still would like to see a valid picture of another black person who was medium/light brown skinned and turned completely white without having vitiligo and without dying or having Horrid burns on their skin, but i know i won't see one because there is no way to get as white as michael without having vitiligo

In an interview about 4-5 yrs. ago, MJ's mother said that he went through depigmentation therapy so he wouldn't look like a "spotted cow" (referring to the blotches on his skin from vitiligo). The umbrellas, long-sleeve shirts & pants are more than just fashion statements. As some folks already pointed out, his skin is very sensitive to sunlight. As with every condition, it's affects are different for everyone.
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Are you trying to say he wears white make- up now to cover up his actual skin tone?!?!?!?

if the majority of his skin is white the where is the sense in him spending 30/40 minutes a day painting himself down in brown makeup that is just stupid.it has nothing to do with wanting to be white it has to do with being pratical and doing what make sense. Beside being black is not just about skin color

[quote]In an interview about 4-5 yrs. ago, MJ's mother said that he went through depigmentation therapy so he wouldn't look like a "spotted cow" (referring to the blotches on his skin from vitiligo). The umbrellas, long-sleeve shirts & pants are more than just fashion statements. As some folks already pointed out, his skin is very sensitive to sunlight. As with every condition, it's affects are different for everyone.

i get what you're saying but she never actually used the word depigmentation therepy, she could have meant that or she could have meant he has enough money to go all the white with makeup and to afford a full time professional makeup artist. I may be wrong but we don't really know 100% what she meant

cdcgold said:

whatever dude

scorp84 said:

trueiopian said:

trueiopian said:

angel345 said:

Timmy84 said:

angel345 said:

Wasn't they dating a little while after his breakup from Lisa Marie? It was on Entertainment Tonight. I read somewhere, though not sure that it just didn't work out and she went her way. They say never date your boss.

I doubt it, wasn't she married?

angel345 said:

Timmy84 said:

I doubt it, wasn't she married?

She was, but ET stated that it was rocky. The footage is on YouTube.

Timmy84 said:

angel345 said:

Timmy84 said:

Even with that, I doubt a relationship occurred...

Who knows?

bboy87 said:

trueiopian said:

She would gain money! And I wonder why MJ fired her.... Hmmmmm

She was a terrible makeup artist

trueiopian said:

bboy87 said:

She was a terrible makeup artist

I'm sure there's another reason why...

Timmy84 said:

trueiopian said:

I'm sure there's another reason why...

I remember when she posted on the MJJF. Her name was Turkle, I guess she was bringing up a lot of secret, personal stuff between her and MJ. Afterwards, she either decided to leave the board or something because before or afterwards, MJ fired her, lol.

cdcgold said:[quote]

trueiopian said:

Timmy84 said:

I remember when she posted on the MJJF. Her name was Turkle, I guess she was bringing up a lot of secret, personal stuff between her and MJ. Afterwards, she either decided to leave the board or something because before or afterwards, MJ fired her, lol.

Really!?!?! I never knew that.....

whatsgoingon said:[quote]

cdcgold said:

Timmy84 said:

trueiopian said:

I'm sure there's another reason why...

I remember when she posted on the MJJF. Her name was Turkle, I guess she was bringing up a lot of secret, personal stuff between her and MJ. Afterwards, she either decided to leave the board or something because before or afterwards, MJ fired her, lol.

this is one of the few MJ topics i do NOT touch because only him and god know the absolute truth.

but there are a few things.....

- There is a such thing as sweatless make up- even then in the 80s. so its possible to see him in concert sweating without his make up running all over the place.

- there is a pic or two from that era (early 80s) i seen with slight patches on his face.

- the fact that mike pretty much became a recluse in the mid 80s says alot.

-as far as him wearing "whiter" make up in concerts ( it started during the latter half of the victory tour)....ehhh, i dunno. he's on his own.

SCNDLS said:

If you're really interested about learning more about this disease check out this reporter's book. He's done many interviews discussing his battle with vitiligo.

TV Reporter Tells The Story Of His Battle With Vitiligo

Lee Thomas, a black television reporter from Detroit, is turning white before his viewers' eyes. Literally. The veteran reporter has vitiligo, and has recently written about his struggle with the skin disease in a memoir called Turning White: A Memoir of Change.

"I'm a black man turning white on television and people can see it," says Thomas, an anchor and entertainment reporter for the local Fox Broadcasting Company affiliate. "If you've watched me over the years, you've seen my hands completely change from brown to white."

It's not fatal, but experts say vitiligo robs people of self-confidence, evokes ridicule and unpleasant stares, and pushes some into unforced seclusion.

The 40-year-old Thomas says that's not where the disorder needs to be…

http://www.turningwhite.com/

IN HIS THOUGHT-PROVOKING MEMOIR, Turning White, Emmy Award-winning TV broadcaster Lee Thomas shares the physical and mental battle he is waging with vitiligo — a skin disorder that is literally turning him white. At age 25, Thomas had a dream job in a dream city — a feature/entertainment reporter for the ABC network’s flagship TV station in New York. Then he discovered a few white spots on his scalp, the small beginnings of a disease that has spread to half his face — a fact he covers with makeup when on camera. As someone in the public eye, vitiligo has transformed not only Thomas’ color, but his life. “Even people who have known me for years avoid eye contact when they see my face without makeup for the first time,” he writes. Recently, Thomas turned the spotlight on himself during a special report for WJBK FOX 2 Detroit, where he is currently an entertainment reporter.

Lee inspiring story has touched people from South Africa to Sacramento. The book has lead this award winning broadcaster around the country speaking at national conferences, businesses and literary events touching people with his empowering and motivational story.

LEE THOMAS is a playwright, journalist, and four-time Emmy Award-winning television broadcaster. Currently residing in Detroit, he is an anchor/entertainment reporter and regularly goes to Hollywood to chat with the stars.

Thomas has a B.A. in Speech Communications from George Mason University in Fairfax, Virginia. He can be seen daily on Fox 2 News Morning in Detroit.

I am critical and skeptical of a lot of things, but why would you think Michael doesn't have it?

Think of how rich he was by the time the disease would have in display.. you think you would ever see him with uneven skin except in rare cases like the "Don't Care About Us" pics Cloudbuster just posted?

The long sleeves, the umbrella, the surgeon mask.. that's because of vitiligo.

Cloudbuster said:

Cinnie said:

"Think inside out."

angel345 said:

"Think inside out."

Nvncible1 said:

trueiopian said:

^

I still don't think MJ has vitiligo

angel345 said:

Cloudbuster said:

Convincing, except that last picture

whatsgoingon said:

whatsgoingon said:

whatsgoingon said:

whatsgoingon said:

dirtyman2005 said:

whatsgoingon said:

shorttrini said:

whatsgoingon said:[quote]

cdcgold said:

Again from the floacist website

http://floacist.wordpress.com/2007/06/12/full-information-on-vitiligo-michael-jackson/


Courtesy of Steady-Laughing.com

Vitiligo / Michael’s Skin Condition

On February 10, 1993, Michael Jackson gave the world an explanation for the whiteness of his skin in an exclusive interview he did with Oprah Winfrey.

Michael : Number one, as I know of, there is no such thing as skin bleaching, I have never seen it, I don’t know what it is.

Oprah : Well they used to have those products, I remember growing up always hearing always use bleach and glow, but you have to have about 300,000
gallons.

Michael : Okay, but number one, this is the situation. I have a skin disorder that destroys the pigmentation of the skin, it’s something that I cannot help. Okay. But when people make up stories that I don’t want to be who I
am it hurts me.

Oprah : So it is…

Michael : It’s a problem for me that I can’t control, but what about all the millions of people who sits out in the sun, to become darker, to become other than what they are, no one says nothing about that.

Oprah : So when did this start, when did your … when did the color of your skin start to change?

Michael : Oh boy, I don’t … sometime after Thriller, around Off the Wall, Thriller, around sometime then.

Oprah : But what did you think?

Michael : It’s in my family, my father said it’s on his side. I can’t control it, I don’t understand, I mean, it makes me very sad. I don’t want to go into my medical history because that is private, but that’s the situation here.

Oprah : So okay, I just want to get this straight, you are not taking anything to change the color of your skin …

Michael : Oh, God no, we tried to control it and using make-up evens it out because it makes blotches on my skin, I have to even out my skin. But you know what’s funny, why is that so important? That’s not important to me. I’m a great fan of art, I love Michelangelo, if I had the chance to talk to him or read about him I would want to know what inspired him to become who he is, the anatomy of his craftsmanship, not about who he went out with last night … what’ wrong with … I mean that’s what is important to me.

Since Michael has stated he has this skin disorder many people have heard of it, but not many people really understand what it is, so that casts doubt on Michael when he says he suffers from it. Michael has and shows all the symptoms of a person with this disease. So you first have to understand what this disease is.

What is Vitiligo?
Vitiligo is a relatively common skin disorder, in which white spots or patches appear on the skin. These spots are caused by destruction or weakening of the pigment cells in those areas, resulting in the pigment being destroyed or no longer produced. In most cases, vitiligo is believed to be an autoimmune-related disorder. Although researchers are not exactly sure what causes the autoimmune response, more is being learned every year. In vitiligo, only the color of the skin is affected. The texture and other skin qualities remain normal.

What are the symptoms of Vitiligo?
People who develop vitiligo usually first notice white patches or spots (depigmentation) on their skin. The skin remains of normal texture, and there is usually no itching or other symptoms. These patches are more obvious in sun-exposed areas, including the hands, feet, arms, legs, face, and lips. Other common areas for white patches to appear are the armpits and groin and around the mouth, eyes, nostrils, navel, and genitals. Vitiligo generally appears in one of three patterns. In one pattern (focal pattern), the depigmentation is limited to one or only a few areas. Some people develop depigmented patches on only one side of their bodies (segmental vitiligo). But for most people who have vitiligo, depigmentation occurs on different parts of the body (generalized vitiligo), often similar on each side of the body. In addition to white patches on the skin, some people with vitiligo may experience white hair growing in on the scalp, eyelashes, eyebrows, and beard. In extremely rare cases, vitiligo can affect eye color or the pigment of the retina.

Does genetics play a role?
Most people with vitiligo have neither parents, nor children, nor siblings with vitiligo. Many have no other relatives with vitiligo. Vitiligo does appear to be hereditary, that is, it can run in families. Children whose parents have the disorder are more likely to develop vitiligo. There is no question about that. However, most children will not get vitiligo even if a parent has it, and most people with vitiligo do not have a family history of the disorder. So the chances of your child developing vitiligo appear to be very small. Nevertheless, there are sufficient numbers of families where vitiligo does appear among siblings, parents and children, such that we can assume a genetic factor.

How does Vitiligo Develop?
The beginning of Vitiligo and the severity of pigment loss differs with each patient. Light skinned people usually notice the pigment loss during the summer as the contrast between the vitiliginous skin and the suntanned skin becomes distinct. People with dark skin may observe the onset of Vitiligo at any time. Individuals who have severe cases will lose pigment over their entire body surface. There is no way to predict how much pigment an individual will lose, Illness and stress can result in more pigment loss. The degree of pigment loss can also vary within each Vitiligo patch, and a border of abnormally dark skin may encircle a patch of depigmented skin.

Vitiligo frequently begins with a rapid loss of pigment which may be followed by a lengthy period when the skin color does not change. Later, the pigment loss may resume — perhaps after the individual has suffered physical trauma or stress. The loss of color may continue until, for unknown reasons, the process stops. Cycles of pigment loss, followed by periods of stability may continue indefinitely. It is rare for a patient with Vitiligo to repigment or regain skin color spontaneously. Most patients who say that they no longer have Vitiligo may actually have become depigmented and are no longer bothered by contrasting skin color. While such patients appear to be “cured”, they really are not. People who have Vitiligo all over their bodies do not look like albinos because the color of their hair may not change — or it can be dyed — and eye color does not change.

Emotional Impact
Most individuals with Vitiligo are upset because of the uneven skin color. It is difficult for those who do not have Vitiligo to appreciate the significance of this problem to the victim.

Depigmentation Therapy
If a person has Vitiligo over more than half of the exposed areas of the body, he or she is not a candidate for repigmentation. Rather, such a person may want to try depigmentation of the remaining pigmented skin. The drug for depigmentation is monobenzylether of hydroquinone. Many patients with Vitiligo are at first apprehensive about the idea of depigmentation and reluctant to go ahead. However, patients who achieve complete depigmentation are usually satisfied with the end results. Some people become allergic to the medication and must discontinue therapy. This therapy takes about a year to complete. The pigment removal is permanent.

Sensitivity to the sun
Patches of vitiligo skin have no natural protection against the sun’s rays. This is because vitiligo skin is white as the melanocytes which produce melanin (skin pigment) are not active. The effect of the sun is normally to increase melanin production and to turn the skin brown; this is a protective mechanism to prevent the skin from being damaged by burning. Therefore, the most important reason for protecting your skin is to prevent sunburn. Not only is this painful, but damage to the skin, including sunburn, can stimulate the vitiligo to spread in some people. As vitiligo skin is particularly vulnerable to sunlight and needs protection, some brands of sunblock are classified by the NHS (The British National Health Service) as borderline substances which means they can be obtained on prescription from your doctor.

Michael says he was first diagnosed at the earliest, during the time he released his ‘Off the Wall’ album. We can assume that maybe it started before he actually released the album in stores, which was in the mid 70s. Treatments were still being developed and the awareness of the disease was not there. So naturally, the only solution for Michael then was to cover it up using cosmetics. I’ve heard people ask ‘So why didn’t he try to regain his color’ making it seem as if he was desperate to just depigment his skin of its natural color. Michael covered it with darker makeup I’m sure, for as long as he could.

If you look at the pictures, you will see that his face is obviously covered with cosmetics. The unevenness of it is there. So you can see that when it did start, he did try concealing it, obviously no one knew about it until he was visibly a shade lighter. Click on the second picture to get a better look. Compare Emmanuel to Michael, you’ll see that he’s probably wearing heavy facial makeup.

As you’ve read the process of this disease can be gradual and slow. As time goes on, his skin color becomes even more uneven, and his cheeks begin to always seem to have a red tint to them. (Due to Discoid Lupus) You’ll see it all over his face and even his neck. Same with the lip color, it started as a way to conceal the discoloration on his lips, if you’ll notice the discoloration on the outline of the lips in the first picture, and some discoloration on his nose in others. Michael’s makeup artist for over 20 years, Karen Faye comments:

“It started happening relatively early, he even was trying to hide it from me..he tried to hide it for quite awhile. He’d always try to cover it with makeup and even out his skin tone until it got so extensive. It’s all over his body. We were always trying to hide it and cover it for the longest time until he just had to tell Oprah and tell the world, ‘Listen I’m not trying to be white, I have a skin disease.’ In the beginning I tried to cover the light spots to match the darker part of his skin, but then it became so extensive that we had to go with the lighter part of his skin because his whole body was reacting…he’d have to be in complete full body makeup, every inch of his body. So it was easier to make the transition to him being to the lighter shade that he is.”

No one can deny, after looking at these pictures, the fact that during this period of time, around the time of his Thriller release, Michael’s face was seriously uneven in color. When you bleach your skin, you apply the bleaching agent evenly, it would not create spotting. These pictures are just some of the many pictures that show evidence of uneven skin. Initially, Michael’s skin was very even as you will see in the comparison below.

Moving on, how many times have you seen Michael Jackson revealing his arms and legs? Rarely. Take his tour costumes for example. If you compare their Victory Tour to the Triumph Tour, you’ll see the difference in what he wore.

There were times even then that Michael would show his chest or arms, perhaps these were areas that hadn’t been affected at the time. You will see him appear in some of his later videos revealing these areas, this is possible because of makeup, or they were during times when his skin was even. When we see pictures of Michael now, he is almost always covered from head to toe, it is very rare that you will see any candid picture of Michael when he’s not performing or shooting some kind of video, where any part of his body, besides his head and hands are exposed. Most of all of his infamous outfits are made to cover his entire body. There probably is a reason for that.

Time goes on and Michael gets lighter and lighter until he is eventually just literally WHITE, at least in comparison to other people. Had he been bleaching his skin from the start, Michael would never have been spotting. Michael went through depigmentation therapy, which is what someone might opt to do when the discolorations have covered most of the body and the use of makeup to hide the difference in color becomes an inconvenience. That’s why you will notice during around 1986 Michael was lighter, but not as white as he appears now. In Michael’s case, since he was always in the public eye, constantly being photographed, it would be quite embarrassing to show up to events and perform while your skin is spotted with two different colors. Katherine Jackson, Michael’s mother tells us:

“His face is white because he has had this disease, and instead of having it spotted like a cow or something like that he just decided to just do the whole thing, because he could afford to do it.”

Covering it up with makeup was only effective for awhile. As it gets worse, you have to apply more, as his make up artist stated, wearing full bodied makeup would be very hard. The depigmentation process takes awhile to complete and it is permanent. The medication monobenzylether of hydroquinone is used to do this and is very strong, it is only prescribed to vitiligo patients. People that bleach their skin to remove scars and minor discolorations use creams with only hydroquinone, which is reversible and not permanent. This is why when you buy bleaching creams at the store, it will always tell you that the pigmentation you wanted to get rid of may reappear.

I have yet to see or hear about anyone else that has gone through a drastic change in skin color by just bleaching their skin with regular products. I know of people bleaching their skin, but if you pay them any real attention you will notice the inconsistencies, they get darker then they get lighter again, this because of what was mentioned before, hydroquinone is not permanent. Also, getting your hands on monobenzylether of hydroquinone is not easy. So I don’t want to hear the excuse that he just somehow got his hands on it. You have to be prescribed something like that from a dermatologist. Like I’ve said before, people that bleach their skin do not spot. People with vitiligo have gotten to the point where their pigment has been totally stripped from all of the their body, they are typically snow white in color. Michael Jackson is very pale, even in comparison to white people. The only cases of such a drastic change in skin color that I’ve seen or read about are with vitiligo patients.

People with vitiligo become very sensitive to the sun, because the natural protection that your skin has from the sun gets stripped away along with the pigmentation. If you go through depigmentation therapy the sensitivity of your skin to the sun becomes even worse. This is why when Michael is outside, most of the time you will see him shielding himself from the sun with either his hand or an umbrella. A lot of people don’t understand why he is with an umbrella all the time, this is the only reason.

Even now you will see brown spots on various parts of Michael’s body, his arms and hands for example. Sometimes they are there and then sometimes they aren’t, which can be due to makeup or spontaneous repigmentation as mentioned before. Michael Jackson has vitiligo and that is the truth. People have used all kinds of things to dispute this, whether it be the ethnicity of the women he’s dated or the plastic surgery he’s gotten. It’s become a situation where he’s been forced to defend the fact that he is an African American, the fact that he’s not ashamed of who and what he is. Michael grew up idolizing black musicians, he did all the ‘black’ trends. From the music, to the hair styles and such. Michael had his greatest success when he was still visibly black…there was and is no reason for him to have desired to change his color. This is something that his family has backed him on for many years, even by his stern father who would probably never defend any of his children, had they ever bleached their skin. It has been said by Michael and by his sister Janet Jackson, that he isn’t the only one in the family to have it. This doesn’t mean that his sisters or brothers have to have it, it could have been a distant relative. Did you know that stress or traumatic events could trigger vitiligo if you are already susceptible to it genetically? Michael had it the hardest growing up, and even after he reached fame, who’s to say all of that didn’t trigger it?

Most of the people that suffer from this disease have a hard time with people either not believing them about their condition or just people giving them a hard time about it, especially when they are African American. It can be a very hard thing to deal with, could you imagine someone harassing you about something that you can’t help?

Sources: National Vitiligo Foundation, Vitiligo Support
View more vitiligo photos here: Part One, Part Two, Part Three, Part Four.

more

http://floacist.wordpress.com/2007/06/12/full-information-on-vitiligo-michael-jackson/

http://floacist.wordpress.com/2007/08/30/michael-jacksons-vitiligo-discussion-6/


whoever made this site really know there stuff

whatsgoingon said:

cdcgold said:

I think he has it, but I also believe he used it to his advantage. And I also don't believe that anyone else with vitiligo had hair that magically got straighter or a nose that got smaller.


what do you think of how suddenly in 1990 and 1991 his skin got darker again and then with Dangerous, it got very very light and the nose got smaller

alphastreet said:

SoulAlive said:

I believe he used depigmentation, one can do that if 50% of their body is depigimented. I still think he has it, but has been so stupid about the other things that I can see why it's fun to joke about though at the same time it must be emotionally hard to deal with a condition like that.

Just look at him in 1991 with Madonna at the awards and then how he looked on Oprah in 1993. Though I thought he was pretty in black or white and remember the time back then, I thought he looked too much like boy george in 1993 in the Oprah interview, and couldn't figure out what happened and how. I couldn't stare at him for years and even when I became a huuuuge fan in 1995 and after, it was hard to look at him in the 90's though I loved looking at him in the 80's, Thriller & Bad era. But now it's not so bad looking at him in the 90's when he looks the way he does now, and maybe going on boards got me used to it, but I saw YRMW today after so many years and it's still very hard to look at him in those videos. I can't help but now think of all the crap that has happened, or cringe at trying too hard to like the girl in the video, and think of Thriller & Bad clips instead, and the little talented boy in the 70's and be like WHOA!

I also agree that he has used it to his advantage.If there was a new cure for vitiligio...some pill that you take which would return you back to your "normal" color,how many of you think Michael would take it?

SoulAlive said:

seeingvoices12 said:

shorttrini said:

Some of those pictures that you mentioned like most pictures of celebrities have been retouched. So, we really don't what the condition of his skin was. You cannot really go back a magazine or other tabloid photo's.

Retouched?

bboy87 said:

seeingvoices12 said:

Retouched?

bboy87 said:

seeingvoices12 said:

Retouched?

SoulAlive said:

alphastreet said:

To me Jacko's skin is a result of both vitiligo and surgery.

cdcgold said:

cdcgold said:

cdcgold said:

"Think inside out."

SoulAlive said:

"Think inside out."

Timmy84 said:

"Think inside out."

Cloudbuster said:

SoulAlive said:

I also agree that he has used it to his advantage.If there was a new cure for vitiligio...some pill that you take which would return you back to your "normal" color,how many of you think Michael would take it?

Advantage? Wtf?

What advantages has Michael recieved through his skin lightening? The world hates the guy, that's some fucking advantage right there. Jesus fucking christ.

Cloudbuster said:

SoulAlive said:

Cloudbuster said:

Can you at least think about what I said? I know you love Michael,but how can you deny what I'm saying?

"Think inside out."

Cloudbuster said:

SoulAlive said:

Can you at least think about what I said? I know you love Michael,but how can you deny what I'm saying?

Can you at least consider the fact that not everyone has to agree with you?

If Mike is so desperate to escape being black then why does his work still consist of predominantly black musical forms and why does he continue to work with other black artists and producers?

Why has he been so generous to underprivileged black children and given millions to help further black causes?

Oh yeah, 'cos he wants to be white.

SoulAlive said:

If there was a new cure for vitiligo which would turn the person back to their original color,do you think Michael would do it?

"Think inside out."

Cloudbuster said:

Can you at least consider the fact that not everyone has to agree with you?

Oh yeah, 'cos he wants to be white.

Cloudbuster said:

SoulAlive said:

If there was a new cure for vitiligo which would turn the person back to their original color,do you think Michael would do it?

SoulAlive said:

Cloudbuster said:

I'll answer the question for you: NO,he wouldn't.

"Think inside out."

You know what,I'm not gonna argue with you anymore.Believe what you want.I'm done with this thread.Have a nice day!

how come no fans are answering about being darker than the bad era in 1991 for a bit and then boom, milk-white!

SoulAlive said:

Cloudbuster said:

I'll answer the question for you: NO,he wouldn't.

midnightmover said:

luckybullet said:

i think mike should just make-up his face brown again for all future projects- ya know an ode to the new President- maybe then all us black fans will quit it out

If you have to do something kicking and screaming and tearing down others with your "self love" words- maybe you shouldn't be doing it in the first place.

^ before Invincible was released, I remember a photoshoot around millenium time and all these people were saying he looks so good, and I couldn't help but wonder if he "turned black" again or something

Can't he get spray on tan or a better makeup job so he doesn't look milk white but not all the way dark either since it's not possible? Just that tan shade from the late 80's and early 90's?

^ You really thought that?

bboy87 said:

SoulAlive said:

I'll answer the question for you: NO,he wouldn't.

You know YOU wanna be white too!

Timmy84 said:

^ You really thought that?

alphastreet said:

Timmy84 said:

^ You really thought that?

well I didn't go on fan forums that time though I would occasionally visit mjifc and some of them were saying shit like that too

I think i was just stuck in the past or something back then and maybe a part of me still is

I don't expect him to look like that now, but then again he is mj, VERY unpredictable

midnightmover said:

Interesting (though this has nothing to do with music)

I never knew that that was what vitiligo was. I just assumed that was a pigmentation issue like a birthmark that a person was born with, and didn't change over their lifetimes.

Cloudbuster said:

SoulAlive said:

I also agree that he has used it to his advantage.If there was a new cure for vitiligio...some pill that you take which would return you back to your "normal" color,how many of you think Michael would take it?

Advantage? Wtf?

What advantages has Michael recieved through his skin lightening? The world hates the guy, that's some fucking advantage right there. Jesus fucking christ.

alphastreet said:

alphastreet said:

SoulAlive said:

Cloudbuster said:

I'll answer the question for you: NO,he wouldn't.

SoulAlive said:

You know what,I'm not gonna argue with you anymore.Believe what you want.I'm done with this thread.Have a nice day!

Man, alot of this thread is just plain disheartening. Whatever happened taking a man for his word?

Some of you detractors come across as damn plain evil and stupid. Hoping for the worst in the man. Can i suggest you point that anger to something actually proven evil and stupid?

Like each other?

Marrk said:

Cloudbuster said:

Timmy84 said:

Yeah, he changed so quickly... MJ looked very different in 1991 than he did in 1992... even when MJ said he had the skin condition in '93, there's a good number of people who won't believe it mainly for that reason. I remember this because that's when comics started asking "how can you go from being a poor black boy to a rich white woman?"

Mike has said himself that his condition worsened dramatically in 1990 and again in 1996.

Ooh look, it's 1996...


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seeingvoices12 said:

Cloudbuster said:

Mike has said himself that his condition worsened dramatically in 1990 and again in 1996.

Ooh look, it's 1996...


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Posting pictures is useless especially when you deal with ignorance mentality,they choose Not to believe when the proof is in fornt of their eyes, How ignorance and Dumb.

when you confronted them by posting pictures that speak for themsleves they started talking about his surgries , They don't WANT to believe , they believe he bleached his skin which is a joke, only an ignorant fool would think that bleaching your skin would turn you from black to white.

Ignorance bliss.

angel345 said:

seeingvoices12 said:

Posting pictures is useless especially when you deal with ignorance mentality,they choose Not to believe when the proof is in fornt of their eyes, How ignorance and Dumb.

when you confronted them by posting pictures that speak for themsleves they started talking about his surgries , They don't WANT to believe , they believe he bleached his skin which is a joke, only an ignorant fool would think that bleaching your skin would turn you from black to white.

Ignorance bliss.

I'd say leave the naysayers alone, even the ones that think ALL MJ fans are loony.

seeingvoices12 said:

Better words could have not been said, what you're gonna gain from a discussion with someone that doesn't believe you? You're only gonna cause more confusion and conflict, you don't want that. We've been dealing with many things in 20 years, shit is not gonna change anytime soon so stop hoping they would "see the light" and just carry on. Post some music and see if we'll post on it rather than another discussion about a musician's face or behavior.

bboy87 said:

SoulAlive said:

I'll answer the question for you: NO,he wouldn't.

You know YOU wanna be white too!

Timmy84 said:

i'll also say i don't think he wanted to be white ( if he doesn't have BDD). Just beacuse he didn't like the way he looked doesn't mean he doesn't like the way ALL black people look, plus I think alot of people are forgetting Joe jackson used to tell him he was ugly and had a big nose when he was a Teenager. Teenagers are already insecure enough about their looks so you can imagine what that probably did to him. If you tell someone they are ugly long enough eventually they will start to believe it.

If he doesn't have Bdd I think he wanted to look like a black person with a thinner nose. Or maybe he was going for an East indian look. Think about it If he didn't have vitiligo he would have brown skin, big brown eyes, straight black hair, and a thin nose. He would look similar to an east indian( and remember some africans have these features) But he doesn't have a problem with dark skin. he even said when talking about East indian people " the darker they are the more beautiful"

cdcgold said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5F1es_ckoYY&feature=related \


look from about 4:00-4:30 he says dark skin is more beautiful

But seriously he has BDD

Cloudbuster said:

SoulAlive said:

I'll answer the question for you: NO,he wouldn't.

Right. Instead he chose to look like this:



'Cos, you know, it's a damned cool way to look.

bboy87 said:

bboy87 said:

You know YOU wanna be white too!

One day SoulAlive's gonna get out of dat dere denial and embrace the love of White Fever

seeingvoices12 said:

Posting pictures is useless especially when you deal with ignorance mentality,they choose Not to believe when the proof is in fornt of their eyes, How ignorance and Dumb.

when you confronted them by posting pictures that speak for themsleves they started talking about his surgries , They don't WANT to believe , they believe he bleached his skin which is a joke, only an ignorant fool would think that bleaching your skin would turn you from black to white.

Ignorance bliss.

Axchi696 said:

seeingvoices12 said:

Posting pictures is useless especially when you deal with ignorance mentality,they choose Not to believe when the proof is in fornt of their eyes, How ignorance and Dumb.

when you confronted them by posting pictures that speak for themsleves they started talking about his surgries , They don't WANT to believe , they believe he bleached his skin which is a joke, only an ignorant fool would think that bleaching your skin would turn you from black to white.

Ignorance bliss.

"That's ignorant!"

Lord Jesus Mary and Joseph not this shit again.

I love that south park episode

novabrkr said:

alphastreet said:

^ before Invincible was released, I remember a photoshoot around millenium time and all these people were saying he looks so good, and I couldn't help but wonder if he "turned black" again or something

Can't he get spray on tan or a better makeup job so he doesn't look milk white but not all the way dark either since it's not possible? Just that tan shade from the late 80's and early 90's?

I've commented on this same ridiculous issue before and I will comment again for your pleasure.

I would argue that the white make-up hides more effectively his disfigurations that have resulted from plastic surgery. He always appears in very pale make-up for public events - award shows and so on, but in the videos and in the (now rarer and rarer) promotional photographs he has a more normal skin tone. Of course, when he is photographed at public events he will not get to choose the ones from the pictures that he'd like the most himself. I think it's done to minimize the amount of those very unflattering shots of him that there exist enough already. Sometimes it seems like the magazines would on purpose choose the most terrible one to be printed, just for shock value.

You can do the same at home. Take a picture of yourself and use an image manipulation program to increase brightness and contrast. The inconsistencies of your face disappear rather effectively, it's just that it can be done also pre-emptively to acertain degree by just using make-up. It's not really that odd though, most older celebrity women (white) do the same to either hide their marks from plastic surgery or simply some of the marks inevitably resulting from age. It is also the case that the pictures of beautiful women are overcontrasted to the max for commercial purposes (and we all know what Michael have wanted to look like since the late-80s). At least this was rather common in the 90s, albeit the times have changed a bit in this respect.



... and there you have it.

End of thread.

PurpleMedley122 said:

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Look at these recent pictures of MJ checking into a skin clinic. Does he look a bit dark to you?

angel345 said:

novabrkr said:

I've commented on this same ridiculous issue before and I will comment again for your pleasure.

I would argue that the white make-up hides more effectively his disfigurations that have resulted from plastic surgery. He always appears in very pale make-up for public events - award shows and so on, but in the videos and in the (now rarer and rarer) promotional photographs he has a more normal skin tone. Of course, when he is photographed at public events he will not get to choose the ones from the pictures that he'd like the most himself. I think it's done to minimize the amount of those very unflattering shots of him that there exist enough already. Sometimes it seems like the magazines would on purpose choose the most terrible one to be printed, just for shock value.

You can do the same at home. Take a picture of yourself and use an image manipulation program to increase brightness and contrast. The inconsistencies of your face disappear rather effectively, it's just that it can be done also pre-emptively to acertain degree by just using make-up. It's not really that odd though, most older celebrity women (white) do the same to either hide their marks from plastic surgery or simply some of the marks inevitably resulting from age. It is also the case that the pictures of beautiful women are overcontrasted to the max for commercial purposes (and we all know what Michael have wanted to look like since the late-80s). At least this was rather common in the 90s, albeit the times have changed a bit in this respect.



... and there you have it.

Though Halle is light-skinned, she's not pale as shown and Courtney is fair, but she looks ghostly here. So it is possible that between the make-up and contrast, MJ is not that ghostly. When I saw him briefly in the late 80's in NY, and had no idea that he was in town at all, he was doing a video shoot in the subway and they blocked everything until he and his bodyguards left the premises. He had a very nice golden-coppery complexion and maybe a few shades darker than the "Bad" album cover. If Karen Faye did his make-up, it was a good job.

DarlingDiana said:

Look at these recent pictures of MJ checking into a skin clinic. Does he look a bit dark to you?

Does anyone hate themselves more?

I know he's always worn disguises like that, but lately when he's been doing it, he looks really sick, like sick in the head too.

Graycap23 said:

alphastreet said:

He has vitiligo.

Not my issue.

whatsgoingon said:

DarlingDiana said:

Look at these recent pictures of MJ checking into a skin clinic. Does he look a bit dark to you?

Probably he is going for his monthly depigmentation treatmeants. I guess he needs top ups now and again to keep him looking white!
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angel345 said:

Has anyone actually read this??? Makes you wonder what MJ has been upto You don't have to have vitiligo to these types of skin changing treatments. I find it odd that suddenly out of nowhere, Mike's face changed color and went to milky white in 1991, when he was a lot darker in the late 80s.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depigmentation

suga10 said:

Has anyone actually read this??? Makes you wonder what MJ has been upto You don't have to have vitiligo to these types of skin changing treatments. I find it odd that suddenly out of nowhere, Mike's face changed color and went to milky white in 1991, when he was a lot darker in the late 80s.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depigmentation

Depigmentation of the skin is commonly linked to people who suffer with vitiligo who then apply a topical cream containing the organic compound monobenzone to remove the remaining pigment. The brand drug incorporating 20% monobenzone is Benoquin, made by ICN.

[b]Increasingly, people who are not afflicted with the disease vitiligo have been experimenting with lower concentrations of self compounded mono creams in the hope of lightening their skin tone evenly.

An alternate method of lightening is to use the chemical mequinol over an extended period of time. Both monobenzone and mequinol produce dramatic whitening of the skin, but react very differently. For stubborn pigmented lesions the Q-switched ruby lazer, cryotherapy or TCA peels can be used to ensure the skin remains pigment free.

Mequinol leaves the skin looking extremely pale however, tanning is still possible. Monobenzone applied topically completely removes pigment in the long term and vigorous sun-safety needs to be adhered to for life.[/b]

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read this

The histology of the skin after depigmentation with topical monobenzone is the same as that seen in vitiligo; the epidermis is normal except for the absence of identifiable melanocytes. Therefore, monobenzone is used as a topical medicine to permanently depigment normal skin surrounding vitiliginous lesions only in patients with disseminated (greater than 50 percent of body surface area) idiopathic vitiligo.




also you left this out from the article you posted

People using monobenzone without previously having vitiligo do so because standard products containing hydroquinone or other lightening agents are not effective for their skin and due to price and active ingredient strength. However, monobenzone is not recommended for skin conditions other than vitiligo.

Most skin-lightening treatments, which can reduce or block some amount of melanin production, are aimed at inhibiting tyrosinase. Many treatments use a combination of topical lotions or gels containing melanin-inhibiting ingredients along with a sunscreen, and a prescription retinoid. Depending on how the skin responds to these treatments, exfoliants — either in the form of topical cosmetic or chemical peels — and lasers may be used. [5]

Well I don't know if Mike has vitiligo for sure, but I heard he has some form of Lupus as well that has some affect on the skin too.

Here's an interesting article I found:

http://yourtotalhealth.ivillage.com/vitiligo-skin-gene-linked-autoimmune-disorders.html

People who battle debilitating autoimmune disorders such as lupus, thyroid disease and psoriasis may have the same gene that causes vitiligo, a skin disorder that causes pale patches of skin.

http://www.ehow.com/how_4719008_recognize-symptoms-lupus.html
Eczema and Psoriasis. Overly dry, itchy and sensitive skin; skin that truly itches all day long. It’s so sensitive that the air from a fan, the tightness of socks, or a back rub irritates it. It makes it very hard to stay in the same position very long. Lupus is also linked to skin disorders such as Vitiligo where the pigment disappears from the skin.

Other interesting facts:

Trigger of vitiligo in Michael Jackson

http://www.michaelandvitiligo.com/michael_jackson/michael_speaks_about_vitiligo/trigger_of_vitiligo_in_michael_jackson.html

Michael Jackson's doctor had reason to believe that the 1984 fire burn contributed to triggering his vitiligo, since the condition can be triggered by adverse injury to the head. In some sufferers, it starts without any trigger, but in others, they may carry the hereditary vitiligo gene but it remains dormant unless it's triggered by stress.
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You know what Michael Jackson can burn in hell for all I care.

trueiopian said:

cdcgold said:

trueiopian said:

You know what Michael Jackson can burn in hell for all I care.

dude maybe you need to talk to someone if you have that much hate, remember hating people will most likely send YOU to hell

Is his hand discolored??



What about this one- this is not some dodgy touched pic by the way.Its a concert photo.


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PurpleMedley122 said:

suga10 said:

Is his hand discolored??




What about this one- this is not some dodgy touched pic by the way.Its a concert photo.


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trueiopian said:

Axchi696 said:

"That's ignorant!"

"Look at me, I'm Peter Pan, SHA SHAMONA! I'm a little boy forever!"

"I never self-proclaimed myself to be anything." - Michael Jackson
"You put water into a cup, it becomes the cup...Now water can flow or it can crash. Be water, my friend." - Bruce Lee

I'm 50/50 regarding whether he has it. At times, I do think he has it, at other times I don't think he did have it.

We might never know really. I wonder what Mike is thinking now days about what he's done to his body.

He even said on Good Morning America on his 50th Birthday, that he happiest time in his life occurred during the recording of the Thriller and Off the Wall albums . In other words- his black phase of his life was his happiest and his white phase wasn't. He never even bothered to mention, the Bad era, Dangerous Era, or History era.

You have to also wonder why the man has become so reclusive now, and barely comes out of his house Maybe he feels troubled by how he's looking now days in his own mirror.

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suga10 said:

Has anyone actually read this??? Makes you wonder what MJ has been upto You don't have to have vitiligo to these types of skin changing treatments. I find it odd that suddenly out of nowhere, Mike's face changed color and went to milky white in 1991, when he was a lot darker in the late 80s.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depigmentation

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Mequinol leaves the skin looking extremely pale however, tanning is still possible. Monobenzone applied topically completely removes pigment in the long term and vigorous sun-safety needs to be adhered to for life.

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trueiopian said:

cdcgold said:

dude maybe you need to talk to someone if you have that much hate, remember hating people will most likely send YOU to hell

You know what anyone that supports a pedophile is damn to go straight to hell

bboy87 said:

trueiopian said:

You know what anyone that supports a pedophile is damn to go straight to hell

This statement would be more logical in a R.Kelly thread


....just putting it out there

At the end who gives a shit whether dude has vitiligo or not. Its like saying you can take the blackness off the guy's skin, but you can't take the blackness outta the man's heart










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suga10 said:

At the end who gives a shit whether dude has vitiligo or not. Its like saying you can take the blackness off the guy's skin, but you can't take the blackness outta the man's heart

suga10 said:

I'm 50/50 regarding whether he has it. At times, I do think he has it, at other times I don't think he did have it.

We might never know really. I wonder what Mike is thinking now days about what he's done to his body.

He even said on Good Morning America on his 50th Birthday, that he happiest time in his life occurred during the recording of the Thriller and Off the Wall albums . In other words- his black phase of his life was his happiest and his white phase wasn't. He never even bothered to mention, the Bad era, Dangerous Era, or History era.

You have to also wonder why the man has become so reclusive now, and barely comes out of his house Maybe he feels troubled by how he's looking now days in his own mirror.

SoulAlive said:

suga10 said:

I'm 50/50 regarding whether he has it. At times, I do think he has it, at other times I don't think he did have it.

We might never know really. I wonder what Mike is thinking now days about what he's done to his body.

He even said on Good Morning America on his 50th Birthday, that he happiest time in his life occurred during the recording of the Thriller and Off the Wall albums . In other words- his black phase of his life was his happiest and his white phase wasn't. He never even bothered to mention, the Bad era, Dangerous Era, or History era.

You have to also wonder why the man has become so reclusive now, and barely comes out of his house Maybe he feels troubled by how he's looking now days in his own mirror.

I remember in 1991,his own brother Jermaine released a song called "Word 2 The Bad",in which he sang the memorable line...

Once you were made,you changed your shade
Was your color wrong?

This is another reason why people are confused/conflicted over this.If Mike had vitiligo,why wouldn't his own brother know about it?

Before anyone gets pissed at me,let me remind you that I am giving Michael the benefit of the doubt.I've never said that he bleached his skin.I'm saying that I can understand why there is so much skeptism about it,and why so many people don't really believe him.

The reason so many people don't believe the vitiligo story is because he's done so many other things to alter his appearance.These people look at his lightened skin,roll their eyes and think "that was the next logical step" in changing his look completely...."mission accomplished".

It might be unfair,but that's the way it is.

SoulAlive said:

SoulAlive said:

although I believe he has it, I now can believe why others don't believe it cause of all those other things. And I'm tired of making excuses about the kids, and the other changing features.

Yeah but don't forget MJ is known to be more closer to his Mom, Janet, Randy, compared to the other siblings. Probably Tito also since he tends to know more about what MJ is doing now days, in comparison to the others Jackson brothers. I don't think Jermaine and MJ are that close to one another.

Now its possible that he might have hid the condition well throughout the years with a ton of makeup. This is exactly what the makeup artist he had was saying on the Mj rebuttal show. She said they were always trying to cover it well.

Oh yeah and why would Donny Osmond say on some show that he went to MJ's House, and saw his skin disease many many years ago??? He also told the audience that his comments were not speculation or anything. Its not like Donny has anything to gain from defending MJ.
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suga10 said:

whatsgoingon said:

suga10 said:

Is his hand discolored??




What about this one- this is not some dodgy touched pic by the way.Its a concert photo.


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His hand doesn't look discoloured to me.
The second picture in concert, is more or less sweat and his makeup coming off due to sweat, there are no big white blotches.
The third picture where he is lying on the floor I can't see any signs of vitiligo at all.

And of course depigmentation is not recommended for people with no vitiligo but that doesn't stop people doing it. Too much plastic surgery is not recommended unless your a burns victim or so, but that didn't stop Michael going overboard did it?

You see I believe those brown blotches that we now see Michael with on his predominately white skin is a result of depigmentation. Depigmentation without having vitiligo would leave blotches and streaks of brown skin. And like any form of bleaching one needs to keep out of the sun, very similiar to vitiligo.

Also if one stops depigmentizing their skin the brown bits will begin to appear again, the problem is the skin will be very uneven, completely damage and look burnt. That's why most people who do go to the extreme with bleaching never stop and have a tendency of wearing thick, pale makeup because you can never get back your original skin tone the way it once was.
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cdcgold said:[quote]

whatsgoingon said:

Depigmentation without having vitiligo would leave blotches and streaks of brown skin.


how do you know this? show me a picture of this. Oh wait you Can't because the only people with mostly white skin and brown spots are people with vitiligo





so I guess all these people are people who don't have vitiligo but just decided to depigmentate.

Okay so why is he so pale here? This is in 1984 during Victory tour



That doesn't look like normal stage makeup.

And look it at his face here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0IweJ0g39I

This photo is from the same time as We are the World


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cdcgold said:[quote]

whatsgoingon said:

Depigmentation without having vitiligo would leave blotches and streaks of brown skin.


how do you know this? show me a picture of this. Oh wait you Can't because the only people with mostly white skin and brown spots are people with vitiligo





so I guess all these people are people who don't have vitiligo but just decided to depigmentate.





You show me a picture in the initial stages of MJ "vitiligo" where he is predominately black with white blotches, which is when vitiligo really becomes obvious. I do know vitiligo is disease, well before MJ came out with it, I had seen black people with it, usually on their hands which makes it so obvious. Those that choose makeup to cover it up used makeup in their original colour tones, they didn't use shades 5 shades lighter than their original colour well before their whole bodies turnt white.

All the pictures your showing us to try and prove that Michael has vitiligo are pictures of him in the mid-90s where he has already turnt predominately white with a few brown patches, where the dipigmentatiztion has already taken place.

Also we have people within his own family contradicting his claims; Jermaine writing a song about his change of colour and Latoya claiming that there is no such disease in "their family". Now, I realise that Jermain and Latoya haven't always seen eye to eye with Michael, but I am sure they would realize that their is such disease in their family, yet they all come across so vague or practically contradict what he says.

Then you have his children, whose mothers were just baby carriers for MJ, regardless of whether he married them or not, all looking totally white. Although I must admit Blanket may be able to pass for hispanic but the first two haven't got an onuce of black blood in them. There is only so much coincidences one can believe in and the vitiligo story is one coincidence too far.

ohh not this again

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