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PrintableEl played the Bay area earlier this month. I would have loved to have seen it. El has a very good voice when not in falsetto-his solo albums showcase that. I wouldn't call MJ a soulful singer in the least. He is more pop. | |
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Great answer Cinnamon234. | |
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In that Bunny interview posted upthread, she disavowed that Vibe article and said it wasn't true. Well, if that is the case, why not sue? Vibe is owned by Time Inc-I used to work for them and their lawyers are the best in the field. They put that that story through the legal wringer, so the facts are there.
Also, Bunny says she hasn't spoken to El since his arrest last August. That is a shame because I remember back in the day El and Bunny always seemed really tight and all hugged up on each other in photo sessions. She also said El has gone into hiding and that the family is scattered now but will come back together. | |
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Well EL and Chico, could rape me anytime, those are some fine ass brothas! | |
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filmnoirdame said: No one is elevating the Debarges because of tragedy, but the fact is, there are and were extradinarily talented. I don't think the Jacksons were like that-they were entertainers, not pure musicians.
Bobby Debarge could outsing MJ anyday. El wasn't really a crossover artist like MJ or at least he didn't get the promo to have that happen and I really think it wasn't his time to have done that. If he had waited till the early 90s, maybe. I think Motown basically split up Debarge because they wanted to get more money off of El and the money wouldn't have had to have been split 5 ways. On youtube, there is an interesting el interview with donnie simpson about how El said-after he left Motown for Warner Brothers-that Motown was trying to make him into MJ. Bobby was a wonderful singer but I doubt he had the range that Michael has. I agree Motown broke the group up to make El a solo artist, but I believe the main thing that broke them up was the drugs and them being reckless Everyone is always debating who was better: The Jacksons The Debarges The Sylvers  "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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What little I have heard of the Sylvers and that is the song, Boogie Fever, I didn't care for. I don't think their music has stood the test of time the way the Debarges and Jacksons has.
As far as Bobby's range, I have really only heard him sing falsetto and while that may have been limited, it was amazing. Maybe El had more range than Bobby. | |
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filmnoirdame said: Janet married James, who I always got a weird vibe from. He always struck me as creepy.
Mama Debarge now says thag Vibe article is a pack of lies. But, yet she and Bunny and Chico allowed themselves to be interviewed. I don't think that article was full of lies at all .....unless they were misquoted. | |
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filmnoirdame said: I just think there are a lot of unsaid things going on with the Debarges in general. Too many conflicting stories-a lot of things don't add up. I think Mama Debarge is trying to trade in on the success of her kids. Honestly, how did she not know her hubby was molesting her kids? Why would you put up with that?
Better yet, why isn't their father in prison where he should be?!? | |
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bboy87 said: filmnoirdame said: No one is elevating the Debarges because of tragedy, but the fact is, there are and were extradinarily talented. I don't think the Jacksons were like that-they were entertainers, not pure musicians.
Bobby Debarge could outsing MJ anyday. El wasn't really a crossover artist like MJ or at least he didn't get the promo to have that happen and I really think it wasn't his time to have done that. If he had waited till the early 90s, maybe. I think Motown basically split up Debarge because they wanted to get more money off of El and the money wouldn't have had to have been split 5 ways. On youtube, there is an interesting el interview with donnie simpson about how El said-after he left Motown for Warner Brothers-that Motown was trying to make him into MJ. Bobby was a wonderful singer but I doubt he had the range that Michael has. I agree Motown broke the group up to make El a solo artist, but I believe the main thing that broke them up was the drugs and them being reckless Everyone is always debating who was better: The Jacksons The Debarges The Sylvers There is nothing to debate at all. The family that sold the most albums as a group or solo artists is THE better family. And it's The Jacksons (especially Michael & Janet). End of. | |
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filmnoirdame said: What little I have heard of the Sylvers and that is the song, Boogie Fever, I didn't care for. I don't think their music has stood the test of time the way the Debarges and Jacksons has.
As far as Bobby's range, I have really only heard him sing falsetto and while that may have been limited, it was amazing. Maybe El had more range than Bobby. How do you know if their music has stood the test of time when you've only heard one song? You should really check them out, they were pretty good "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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bboy87 said: filmnoirdame said: What little I have heard of the Sylvers and that is the song, Boogie Fever, I didn't care for. I don't think their music has stood the test of time the way the Debarges and Jacksons has.
As far as Bobby's range, I have really only heard him sing falsetto and while that may have been limited, it was amazing. Maybe El had more range than Bobby. How do you know if their music has stood the test of time when you've only heard one song? You should really check them out, they were pretty good I agree. The Sylvers had some great music. Filmnoirdame should listen to songs like "Fool's Paradise", "Only One Can Win" and "I Wish I Could Talk to You" before thinking their music "doesn't stand the test of time". The Jackson 5/Jacksons music automatically stands the test of time, lol. | |
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I don't doubt that the Jackson 5 and MJ's music stands the test of time. Don't know about the Jackson stuff that was done when they went to Epic.
You cannot judge the quality or music or its' timelessness by record sales. That is foolishness right there. Fact of the matter is, Debarge's music does stand up and it puts music today to shame. Those songs were crafted. Songcraft does not really exist like that too much. A lot of sex offenders are not behind bars, sadly and as for the misquoting, as a former employee of Time inc, who did indeed work as a fact checker-someone who makes sure quotes and other things in articles are true-I can tell you the lawyers for VIBE made sure everything was legit. | |
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filmnoirdame said: I don't doubt that the Jackson 5 and MJ's music stands the test of time. Don't know about the Jackson stuff that was done when they went to Epic.
You cannot judge the quality or music or its' timelessness by record sales. That is foolishness right there. Fact of the matter is, Debarge's music does stand up and it puts music today to shame. Those songs were crafted. Songcraft does not really exist like that too much. A lot of sex offenders are not behind bars, sadly and as for the misquoting, as a former employee of Time inc, who did indeed work as a fact checker-someone who makes sure quotes and other things in articles are true-I can tell you the lawyers for VIBE made sure everything was legit. Check this out from Destiny: | |
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Don't like that song. The arrangements sound dated and I don't like MJ's singing on it.
Try this: [Edited 9/28/08 17:31pm] | |
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And didnt their father sexually molest them when they were kids? I thought they Jacksons family were a lil screwed up (especially thanks to LaToya), but the DeBarges take the cake on that one. | |
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Bunny says she was the only one sexually abused and that the rest was physical and mental. But the Vibe article basically says that Bobby was singled for sexual abuse.
I also think Joe sexually abused his kids. | |
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filmnoirdame said: I don't doubt that the Jackson 5 and MJ's music stands the test of time. Don't know about the Jackson stuff that was done when they went to Epic.
You cannot judge the quality or music or its' timelessness by record sales. That is foolishness right there. Fact of the matter is, Debarge's music does stand up and it puts music today to shame. Those songs were crafted. Songcraft does not really exist like that too much. A lot of sex offenders are not behind bars, sadly and as for the misquoting, as a former employee of Time inc, who did indeed work as a fact checker-someone who makes sure quotes and other things in articles are true-I can tell you the lawyers for VIBE made sure everything was legit. Nobody said that Debarge's music didn't stand the test of time, quite the contrary. I love Debarge and was pissed when my brother went to go see James and Chico and San Jose and didn't tell me about. I really like the debut album you should check out The Jacksons' Epic albums, especially Destiny and Triumph  "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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filmnoirdame said: Don't like that song. The arrangements sound dated and I don't like MJ's singing on it.
Try this: http://www.youtube.com/wa...yQm3rYyNrQ [Edited 9/28/08 15:06pm] "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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bboy87 said: filmnoirdame said: I don't doubt that the Jackson 5 and MJ's music stands the test of time. Don't know about the Jackson stuff that was done when they went to Epic.
You cannot judge the quality or music or its' timelessness by record sales. That is foolishness right there. Fact of the matter is, Debarge's music does stand up and it puts music today to shame. Those songs were crafted. Songcraft does not really exist like that too much. A lot of sex offenders are not behind bars, sadly and as for the misquoting, as a former employee of Time inc, who did indeed work as a fact checker-someone who makes sure quotes and other things in articles are true-I can tell you the lawyers for VIBE made sure everything was legit. Nobody said that Debarge's music didn't stand the test of time, quite the contrary. I love Debarge and was pissed when my brother went to go see James and Chico and San Jose and didn't tell me about. I really like the debut album you should check out The Jacksons' Epic albums, especially Destiny and Triumph Yeah DeBarge is classic. But seriously I agree, people need to check out all the albums by either the Jacksons or Sylvers, then we can make a fair assumption. I've heard so many music from all three family groups and they were all talented in their own ways. | |
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When this article first came out, it was heavily discussed on Okayplayer and someone posted the family members' myspace pages. Even Mama Debarge got one!
And some of the kids are trying to get in the business "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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On another sad note , this past April El Debarge and George Clinton were in Houston in the studio (George Clinton's management is based in Houston so he seems to be in town quite a bit), and they stopped by a local television station and El Debarge was acting so irradically, it was clear something was going on. George seemed fine but El Debarge seemed so outside of himself and was just all over the place. He couldn't stay still. It was really sad to seem him like that. The next time I see him, I hope he is in better shape because since then, everytime I hear a Debarge song, I think of the last time I saw El at that TV Station.  [Edited 9/28/08 15:58pm] I am convinced Beyonce's career would not be where it is, if she had dark skin. | |
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What is okayplayer?
Mama Debarge is trying to pimp herself out. It is sad that El was acting like that. Did he physically look okay? How did George react to him? | |
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filmnoirdame said: What is okayplayer?
Mama Debarge is trying to pimp herself out. It is sad that El was acting like that. Did he physically look okay? How did George react to him? Okayplayer is a music forum that was started by The Roots' drummer ?uestlove (who also produced Al Green's latest album) It's frequented by artists like Erykah Badu, Lupe Fiasco, Windimoto, and others "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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What were they saying about the article in Vibe? | |
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filmnoirdame said: What were they saying about the article in Vibe?
pretty much the same thing we're saying "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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I really hope things turn around for the Debarges. I wonder if El is close to his kids. I can't wrap my head around him being a dad | |
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filmnoirdame said: I really hope things turn around for the Debarges. I wonder if El is close to his kids. I can't wrap my head around him being a dad
Some of his kids are on myspace That's one BIG family "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." | |
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I know. They love making kids. Never seen anything like it.Out of all the Debarges, El was my fave. I wanna know more about him. It is crazy how he and Bobby looked liked twins | |
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Is it true the drug charges that led to Bobby and Chico doing time were trumped up? | |
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filmnoirdame said: Is it true the drug charges that led to Bobby and Chico doing time were trumped up?
No one knows for sure about it being trumped up. | |
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