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Thread started 08/24/08 9:03am

alphastreet

examples of creative follow up albums

Name an album from an artist that came right after the success of a monster hit and was much more creative and innovative, but did not sell as much as the previous album.

No Doubt - Return of Saturn
Janet - Velvet Rope
Mariah Carey - Butterfly
Lenny Kravitz - 5
George Michael - Listen Without Prejudice Vol.1
Michael Jackson - Bad (though I think it's FAR from a flop)
Prince - Around the World in a Day
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Reply #1 posted 08/24/08 9:29am

Matronik

Bowie - Aladin Sane
Madonna - Erotica

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Reply #2 posted 08/24/08 9:43am

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Terence Trent D'Arby: Neither Fish Nor Flesh

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Reply #3 posted 08/24/08 9:52am

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Serious said:

Terence Trent D'Arby: Neither Fish Nor Flesh


Now that's a great example Serious.

I like it more than Introducing...

Gems like Billy don't fall should be more recognized for the excelence

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Reply #4 posted 08/24/08 10:26am

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Maxwell - Embrya
Badu - Mama's Gun
D'Angelo - Voodoo
Adriana Evans - Nomadic
De La Soul - De La Soul Is Dead

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Reply #5 posted 08/24/08 11:00am

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Matronik said:

Serious said:

Terence Trent D'Arby: Neither Fish Nor Flesh


Now that's a great example Serious.

I like it more than Introducing...

Gems like Billy don't fall should be more recognized for the excelence

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People wanted him to release "Introducing...prt2", it's a shame disbelief.

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Reply #6 posted 08/24/08 11:13am

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Serious said:

Matronik said:



Now that's a great example Serious.

I like it more than Introducing...

Gems like Billy don't fall should be more recognized for the excelence

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People wanted him to release "Introducing...prt2", it's a shame disbelief.


Their reaction when they listened to Declaration: Neither Fish nor Flesh must have been of horror! lol
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Matronik said:

Serious said:


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People wanted him to release "Introducing...prt2", it's a shame disbelief.


Their reaction when they listened to Declaration: Neither Fish nor Flesh must have been of horror! lol
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Reply #8 posted 08/24/08 12:41pm

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Matronik said:



Their reaction when they listened to Declaration: Neither Fish nor Flesh must have been of horror! lol
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Reply #9 posted 08/24/08 1:33pm

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alphastreet said:


No Doubt - Return of Saturn
Janet - Velvet Rope
Mariah Carey - Butterfly
Lenny Kravitz - 5
George Michael - Listen Without Prejudice Vol.1
Michael Jackson - Bad (though I think it's FAR from a flop)
Prince - Around the World in a Day
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Don't know about No doubt, but Janet and Mariah especially went downhill. Lenny's 5th didn't follow a monsterhit album and wasn't really creative.
George Michael was his first album, but I get your point.
MJ, well, thriller, bad and dangerous was one big run wasn't it?

Prince, yes, I get your point. Actually, this was probably your starting point, wasn't it? There aren't many artists that 'change a winning team' the way that Prince did.
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Reply #10 posted 08/24/08 2:00pm

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Hard Candy - Madonna

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Reply #11 posted 08/24/08 2:00pm

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Sander said:

There aren't many artists that 'change a winning team' the way that Prince did.

Journey Through the Secret Life of Plants immediately comes to mind.

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Reply #12 posted 08/24/08 2:13pm

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Hard Candy - Madonna


hah! your joking right?

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Reply #13 posted 08/24/08 2:26pm

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no idea what the sales comparisons are for the 2 (though I imagine the first outsold the second since it did have a couple of semi-hits), but...


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MuthaFunka said:

Maxwell - Embrya
Badu - Mama's Gun
D'Angelo - Voodoo

Adriana Evans - Nomadic
De La Soul - De La Soul Is Dead



Those are good choices. All three of them are excellent follow up albums. I even prefer Mama´s Gun over Baduizm.
Urban Hang Suite and Brown Sugar are a tad better than Embrya and Vooodoo but still,Voodoo and Embrya are two seriously underrated albums ( despite Voodoo being number one album people still diss Voodooo and Embrya a lot ).

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Reply #15 posted 08/24/08 3:44pm

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KoolEaze said:

MuthaFunka said:

Maxwell - Embrya
Badu - Mama's Gun
D'Angelo - Voodoo

Adriana Evans - Nomadic
De La Soul - De La Soul Is Dead



Those are good choices. All three of them are excellent follow up albums. I even prefer Mama´s Gun over Baduizm.
Urban Hang Suite and Brown Sugar are a tad better than Embrya and Vooodoo but still,Voodoo and Embrya are two seriously underrated albums ( despite Voodoo being number one album people still diss Voodooo and Embrya a lot ).


And I'm just now warming up to Embrya. Didn't like it for a long time because, like most fans, I wanted the "part 2" of their debut, ya know? Same with Mama's Gun. As for Voodoo, it never fully grew on me and I only fet How Does it Feel and Devil's Pie.

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KoolEaze said:

MuthaFunka said:

Maxwell - Embrya
Badu - Mama's Gun
D'Angelo - Voodoo

Adriana Evans - Nomadic
De La Soul - De La Soul Is Dead



Those are good choices. All three of them are excellent follow up albums.

The other two are also good choices.

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MuthaFunka said:

De La Soul - De La Soul Is Dead

I don't know bout this one, bruh. The album was fair enough, but it didn't approach 3 Feet High... in terms of creativity, innovation or sales.

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Reply #19 posted 08/24/08 4:45pm

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Tears for Fears - The Seeds of Love
A Tribe Called Quest - Low End Theory (trumped the first album on innovation AND sales [but maybe not creativity])

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Reply #20 posted 08/24/08 7:00pm

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Lammastide said:

MuthaFunka said:

De La Soul - De La Soul Is Dead

I don't know bout this one, bruh. The album was fair enough, but it didn't approach 3 Feet High... in terms of creativity, innovation or sales.


I second Mutha on this one. 3FHAR was going to be hard to match, but DLSID was a little darker because they were being boxed in by their own creation. Arguably, DLSID set the stage for the rest of their career, and (arguably) became the best group in hip-hop, as opposed to just being the most creative one. Plus, "A Roller Skating Jam . . ." rivals anything on 3FHAR, and "Oodles of O's" is still that killer.

Sticking with creative follow ups on the hip-hop tip, I'll take

Digable Planets -- Blowout Comb

Public Enemy -- It Takes A Nation of Millions . . .

Ice Cube -- Death Certificate

KMD -- Bl_ck B_st_rds

Jungle Brothers -- Done By The Forces of Nature

Ice-T -- The Iceberg

Common -- Resurrection

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Stevie Wonder - Fulfillingness' First Finale - Songs in the Key of Life

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Reply #22 posted 08/24/08 7:19pm

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Lammastide said:

MuthaFunka said:

De La Soul - De La Soul Is Dead

I don't know bout this one, bruh. The album was fair enough, but it didn't approach 3 Feet High... in terms of creativity, innovation or sales.


Well, I see it as more of "edgier" De La and maybe not so much "more creative". They felt they had to come a bit "rougher" since cats was playin' 'em out to be hippies and shit. So yeah, maybe "creative" doesn't work there.

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namepeace said:

Lammastide said:


I don't know bout this one, bruh. The album was fair enough, but it didn't approach 3 Feet High... in terms of creativity, innovation or sales.


I second Mutha on this one. 3FHAR was going to be hard to match, but DLSID was a little darker because they were being boxed in by their own creation. Arguably, DLSID set the stage for the rest of their career, and (arguably) became the best group in hip-hop, as opposed to just being the most creative one. Plus, "A Roller Skating Jam . . ." rivals anything on 3FHAR, and "Oodles of O's" is still that killer.

Sticking with creative follow ups on the hip-hop tip, I'll take

Digable Planets -- Blowout Comb

Public Enemy -- It Takes A Nation of Millions . . .

Ice Cube -- Death Certificate

KMD -- Bl_ck B_st_rds

Jungle Brothers -- Done By The Forces of Nature

Ice-T -- The Iceberg

Common -- Resurrection


Gawddammit! Get outta my head! lol

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I second Mutha on this one. 3FHAR was going to be hard to match, but DLSID was a little darker because they were being boxed in by their own creation. Arguably, DLSID set the stage for the rest of their career, and (arguably) became the best group in hip-hop, as opposed to just being the most creative one. Plus, "A Roller Skating Jam . . ." rivals anything on 3FHAR, and "Oodles of O's" is still that killer.

I recall doing a LOT of apologetics -- and only half-convinced myself -- around this CD. There were great moments. "A Roller Skating Jam," and "Oodles of Os" were hot. And having not heard the CD album in years, I think I recall bumping "Afro Connections..." and "Fanatic of the B Word" quite a bit. hmmm But I probably only played that CD all the way through maybe twice. Just didn't provide the visionary vibe for me that 3 Feet did.

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Reply #25 posted 08/24/08 7:25pm

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namepeace said:


Digable Planets -- Blowout Comb
Public Enemy -- It Takes A Nation of Millions . . .
Jungle Brothers -- Done By The Forces of Nature

Co-sign on these.

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Bishop31 said:

Stevie Wonder - Fulfillingness' First Finale - Songs in the Key of Life

Um, SITKOL is his highest-selling album.

BTW, when I mentioned Journey Through..., I didn't realize the original post said "much more creative and innovative." JTTSLOP is certainly creative, but I wouldn't say it's "much more" so than SITKOL.

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Sander said:

alphastreet said:

George Michael - Listen Without Prejudice Vol.1[/b]


George Michael was his first album, but I get your point.


Huh? His first album of what?

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AlexdeParis said:

Journey Through the Secret Life of Plants



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